Can We Make This Place Beautiful? with Maggie Smith

How do we live in a world that’s at least half terrible, and that is a conservative estimate?

If you recognize that line, you already know Maggie Smith. This week on the show, we’re talking about writing, marriage, divorce, and why you didn’t need whatever happened to you in order to become who you’re meant to be: as Maggie says, “trauma does not give you a “glow up.”” 

If you’ve ever wanted to write the story of your life - including the messy, difficult parts like divorce, miscarriage, and the loss of identity - this episode is for you. 

In this episode we cover: 

• Why it’s ok if your story doesn’t have a happy ending (or even a happy middle)
• Do kids really need to learn about resilience? 
• Does anything remain after devastating loss? 
• What’s it like having your personal story out in the world for other people to talk about? 
• Divorce, miscarriage, and why sometimes the lemonade isn’t worth the lemons

We're re-releasing some of our favorite episodes from the first 3 seasons of It’s OK that You’re Not OK.

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Related episodes: 

Kate Bowler on the difference between transactional hope and functional hope

Aubrey Hirsch on the power of storytelling 

David Ambroz on “A Place Called Home” 

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About our guest:

Maggie Smith is the award-winning author of You Could Make This Place Beautiful, Good Bones, The Well Speaks of Its Own Poison, Lamp of the Body, and the national bestsellers Goldenrod and Keep Moving: Notes on Loss, Creativity, and Change. She has been widely published, appearing in The New York Times, The New Yorker, The Paris Review, The Nation, The Best American Poetry, and more. You can follow her on social media @MaggieSmithPoet

About Megan: 

Psychotherapist Megan Devine is one of today’s leading experts on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. Get the best-selling book on grief in over a decade, It’s Ok that You’re Not OK, wherever you get books. Find Megan @refugeingrief

Additional resources:

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Maggie Smith’s website

Maggie’s memoir - You Could Make This Place Beautiful

“What would happen if one woman told the truth about her life? / The world would split open.” - feminist poet Muriel Rukeyser

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