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And Coleman and I have so much fun. We talk about his beautiful mother, Edith, and how she shaped his life. We talk about our shared love of dancing, and why it means so much to us. We talk about peptides. What are they and who's taking them?
And we also celebrate the fact that he's working with Steven Spielberg in his new movie Disclosure Day, which is coming out this week. Big summer hit, blockbuster baby. Speaking of Steven Spielberg, Steven joins us as our guest today who's going to talk to us about Coleman. He's going to talk well behind Coleman's back. And if you don't know who Steven Spielberg is, I don't know what to tell you.
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Oh my God, I'm on good hand. Good Lord. I'm gonna get you into the stewed. We tried. We couldn't schedule it.
Dang, we were like, we don't have time. Yeah, I tried. I gotta make a few more hits. We were like, wait, finish on your show. We were like, we just wanna see one or two more things from Steven before we say this.
Yeah, I know, I know. I love the audition process. Right there. Steven, you are my subconscious. The work that you have made is in my brain.
You shaped my entire life. You are a Gen X director through and through. Well, thank you. Thank you. I love the I've been to your subconscious and yet you can still be funny.
With my plethora of comedy. Well, I mean, I feel like I've gotten a chance to be lucky enough to see you at, you know, places and events and shows and stuff. And I got to see you recently at the SNL 50th. That was great. That was just great.
It was hard to believe. I mean, I was there the first show in 1975. I was in the audience. Get out of here. Yeah, it was the very first show.
Yeah, flew all the way to New York as it was in the air. It was one of those things, you know, where my generation suddenly was being included in something that was going to define us. And it was just an I just somehow knew I had to be there for it. And I just, you know, got a ticket and went in the audience and watched. Where did you sit and watch?
Were you on the floor or were you up in the back? No, no, I didn't know anybody. I just I was in the stands. Jaws had come out in June. I think the first SNL show was in October or September.
Yeah, October 11th. Yeah. And I was there. It was incredibly it spoke to me. And after it was over, I'd left with the audience.
And somebody came running up and grabbed me and dragged me kind of backstage to Volushi. And so John said, you guys made the shark movie? And I said, yeah, he says, you got to be Danny. And he dragged me over to Danny. And that was the beginning of my first event that I really became a formal groupie.
Because I've always gravitated for comedy and stand up in comedians. And I go, you know, Robin Williams was one of my dearest closest friends in my whole life. And Robert Brooks said that I started out together. And so that sort of, but I'm not the funny guy. I'm a good audience for all of you.
I'm your best audience. Well, you're here today to talk about Coleman Domingo. And he's a new friend of mine. I actually met him on a dance floor, which I want to talk about because we were kind of, we met just like at a party. So it makes sense.
But when did you first meet Coleman? Where did you first meet? I was going to make a movie about Ira and George Gershwin. And I was going to make a movie about the process of writing and staging, Porgy and Bess. And I had a script and I was excited and I was casting it.
And I was looking for Todd Duncan, who played Porgy. And I met a lot of actors. And when Coleman came in to the meeting, that was the first time I became a certain first time I met Coleman. But I intended after that meeting to cast him as Todd Duncan. Oh, wow.
I mean, Steven, people must come in to meet with you and you must feel their nerves. So how do you get people to relax when they're having a meeting with you? Well, you know, it disadvantages me. If somebody comes in and I can't find them in a 15, 20 or 30 minute meeting because of whatever expectations. So they bring to the meeting to help how nervous some of them are.
Some of them aren't nervous at all, but a lot of them are. And I had this problem only because of success, because success creates a kind of false front. It's kind of like, you know, I've always seen myself early in my career being successful, but also feeling a little bit like a fake Western street on the Hollywood back lot. When you walk around behind the facade of this, just a bunch of two by fours holding up the facade. And people only knew how nervous I am and how nervous stressed I get.
They would be sort of in front of me. And I really was, and I just came up with a method, which I used for a couple of pictures, starting with Raiders of the Lost Ark. And I decided that all the actors that I auditioned in person, I'm going to meet them in the kitchen and we're going to cook. We're going to actually cook. And so for a couple of movies, starting with Raiders, everybody that came in met me in a kitchen and we were cooking stuff.
And that's how everybody relaxed around good food. That's so smart because you're also, you're just getting to do something. Like what do I do with my hands? Basically, it's what you're thinking half the time when you're stressed. Yeah, everybody becomes so real.
They're covered in flour and you're trying to break an egg of the eggs built out on counter. I mean, everybody becomes the best version of themselves. Although there must have been people like, good news, you have an audition. Bad news, you need to learn how to cook. You know, we...
Well, the good news is you're going to be part of a recipe. But the bad news is you're only here for 30 minutes and you're not going to be able to eat what we did. So all the actors came into the end of the day were able to actually feast on what we had prepared started at 9 o'clock in the morning, right? So you meet Coleman and now you guys are... Did you work together on any other films after that?
What happened was I had actually cast a lot of the movie and then I had a... Something that doesn't happen when I'm that far down the line, but I had a kind of second thought about the project. And I decided not to continue making it. That's the only reason Coleman and I didn't work together then. But remembering Coleman as well as I did, I cast him in Lincoln playing Private Green.
Right. And that was the first time we actually professionally worked together. And what is it like working with him? Kind of like writing in a way where you don't have to do anything but sit in the back seat. Because the car drives very well by itself.
And Coleman is... When he graces, you are set. He brings kindness and he brings collaboration. And he brings love. And he brings a real sense of less of fun while we're working hard.
While we're working hard to be serious. Can we also have fun? And he makes a director look forward to going to work the next morning. What a dream. I mean, I'm sure you're at the point in your life in career too where you can tell like sometimes, you know, people are motivated by a lot of things.
As you know, as a director you have to kind of find out what motivates them. But when someone has talent and ease, it's not always the case. No, it's not always the case. I've been lucky. I've had actors who have been such great collaborators to work with.
Even I'm really, you know, trying projects. But Coleman isn't about himself. He's about the whole. You know, he's about the plays. The thing of Shakespeare said, he's about the play.
He's about the whole. He's as interested in the actors he's playing opposite. Even more so than he is about his own role in the whole. And that's rare. That's really, really rare.
He is so full of empathy. And because my movie deals, this closer date deals a lot with the importance of empathy. Coleman was a very easy choice for me to make, to invite him, to be part of this company. And part of this ensemble. We cannot wait for this movie.
Another hit, Steven. Huge. Knock on my wooden head. Listen, I'm calling it right now. Okay.
Now I don't believe in Jinx's and I call it as I see it. And I'm telling you something. This movie is everybody is ready for this movie. It looks so good. I still don't really know what it's about, which is great.
I think it has to do with aliens, but you tell me. I don't know. Well, what can I say? Here's looking at you. Here's looking at you.
Do you have a question? Do you have a question for me that I could ask him? Big or small? I've been thinking about that. He's such a success and he's so consistently successful.
I'd love you to ask him. Was there ever a film he auditioned for that he didn't get and he was desperate to get? Oh, yeah. I mean, I bet he has an answer to that because I know that he, I mean, when I look at his career and he's really done a ton of different types of work. I mean, Coleman, talk about empathy.
He can play. He has a huge range. He can play like just a love bomb of a person. And he can play a really sinister, scary person too. Yes.
Okay, that's a good one. Well, Steven, thank you so much for your time. It really means a lot. I know Coleman will be thrilled that we talked and I can't wait to talk to him about what it's like to work with you. I can't wait.
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Terms apply, see Visible.com for plan features and network management details. Oh my God, Coleman Tamingo is here and he brought me home. I bought you a meal. I bought you a meal. I bought you an egg.
Okay, now I've been starting to get gifts, which is not required. That's what it becomes ridiculous, right? When someone finds out what you like. Okay, let's discuss this for the listeners. What did you bring me?
I bought you a fake egg. It's a keychain. Okay, I'm going to describe this while I show it. It is a fried egg on a keychain. Yes, do you like fried eggs?
I love fried eggs. I love a sunny side up because it's things moving. That's why. I'm not starting off there and just going to my side. I guess.
Let me ask you about your sunny side up. Do you like to, because this yolk is very exposed. Do you like to flip it once and get like, I like that in a little crunch? Me too. Then it bursts with a little hot sauce on there.
This is a rubber. It's a cake. Also Coleman brought me a plastic silverware case. I'm not a crazy person. I'm not a crazy person.
I'm not going to get this fake. Okay. Where should it go? This is not going to get ridiculous. Well, I don't want to brag, but we got a couple A-list stuff up here.
We got some peepods from Jennifer Lawrence. Where do the raspberries come from? Oh, the raspberries. Where did they come from? Oh, MoMA.
The MoMA sent us fake raspberries. Let's put it next to MoMA's raspberries. I think that's good. Raspberries and eggs. Wait, there's a little egg.
There's a little egg. Oh my God. Okay, that's too cute. Oh my God, I made the board. It's so good.
It's really good. I'm really fascinated by all of this. It's really cool. It's very satisfying. It's good.
Now you're not trying to do it. When did the first start? Tell us about your challenge. Coleman. I don't know, but it's like good art.
I don't know how to explain what I like, but I know it when I see it. Yeah. I love that egg. You're very welcome. It's realistic.
I don't like children's fake food. I'm an adult. The grandfist fake food. Exactly. You're not nuts.
It's so good. Coleman, the finger was here. I was really thinking about what to wear because I knew you'd look incredible. I'm fine. We're a lined green sweater situation.
You can wear anything. Really? You look incredible in everything. You have the best style. Thank you.
The style is bigger than just clothes. You have a way of moving through the world where you like, I find clothes in fashion to be confusing for me. I'm always trying to figure it out. I don't always feel like it's a world that I understand or that I'm a part of. But whenever I see you wearing, whatever you're wearing, it's like an invitation.
I think it is. I think it is. That's what I think it is. It's like, okay, even what I was supposed to wear, there was a jacket with this. I thought, I'm going to hang with Amy.
She's a brand. I'm going to show those guns. I'm going to sex it up a little bit. I should have emailed you. I was like, if you're going to go and bring it, you've got to bring it.
I'm doing lens. I'm doing lens. I just want to feel relaxed with you. The jacket was just all like, you know, it was very serious. Business meeting with you.
I was like, no, I want to feel a little sexy. That's exactly the point. The clothes never wear you. You were always like, how do I get into this feeling? Right, this character.
That is what I have learned about wearing something, figuring out how to dress. Basically, how do you want to feel? What do you consider your style of being? I can always tell you look so sexy and beautiful in yourself. God bless you.
Exactly. You didn't know that this was going to happen today, did you? And I hope. But you do. Because also, I can tell you feel very comfortable in your body.
It's comfort. Listen, Diane Keaton did that. Diane Keaton was like, she perfected her style in a way that was just her own. Yeah. And she was always cool and she can have these masculine vibes to it.
And that was her. Who are you wearing? Oh, Paul Smith today. Paul Smith. Yeah, Paul Smith.
Yeah, Paul, you know. Okay, we're kind of new friends. We're getting to know each other. And I feel like I was trying to remember when we first met. And I think we first really met non-verbally on a dance floor.
That's exactly what you do remember. It was at a night before party. Right. The Emmy. The Emmy and night before parties.
And we just, I don't know what the DJ was killing at that night. And you were in a suit, actually. You were in a suit. And you and I, we just cut it up. And I was like, oh my God, any public in dance or ass off?
Thank you for saying that. You were killing it. You were killing it. Why do you love to dance? I always love to ask people who love to dance.
Why they love to dance? You know, I grew up, I think my parents used to always throw the best parties. So New Year's Eve was always at our house. And we lived in a row home in Philadelphia. Were you poles carpeted?
Absolutely. Carpeted. We had a black sheba velvet on the wall. Like, you know, she was like, some black woman with an afro and a titz out in a panther. And I would always look at it and just remember like string art.
Yes, absolutely. All of that was down there. So everything was down there. Christmas toys were in the back. But that's all the thing.
But it was really, we would have dance parties down there. So we'd go down there and the music was cranked up. And we danced to, we just danced. So I come from a family that loved to dance. My mother, before she passed, my mother passed in 2006.
One of the things my sister always loves to tell me is like, just the week before my mom was dancing in the aisles of pathmark. She was dancing. Like, you know, playing whatever music I was playing, she was dancing in the aisles. I'm like, so I gave that's my sister's memory of my mother. Dancing.
So I come from people who like, can dance anywhere. Like, I have zero shame. Me too. And in fact, you know, I get, it actually helps me expel a lot of my social anxiety. Like, I'd rather dance and talk.
Yes. Singer. We danced like, do you remember that show, Dancing On Air? Oh, well, we had dance, well, you know, from Philly, dancing on air was on the show. Dancing on air was on the show.
Dancing on air was on the show. Dancing on air was on the show. Dancing on air was on the show. Dancing on air was on the show. We were very, we were the same age.
We were the same age. So like, when you cut, you tear it down. 100%. We really move and it's like. They don't move like that anymore.
We move like we were trying to hurt somebody. There's a whole thing, a trend on, I'm trying to talk about how like showing the difference between how Gen X and Gen Z dance, because Gen Z barely moves. They barely move. And Gen X, like, clear the dance floor. Oh, wait a minute.
Did you have high school dances and what was playing, what music was playing at those? Listen, they had high school dances. I went to high school with Will Smith, by the way. They had high school dances, but I was. You went to high school with Will Smith?
Yeah. Right. And same grade? Yeah. What was he like in high school?
He was a cool kid. He was actually a cool kid. He was actually a very friendly. Everybody really liked him. And he performed at the one ballroom and built off the he and Jackie Jeff.
Yeah. But I was a bonafide nerd. I didn't do any of that. Oh man. No, no, no.
I didn't turn into this until like second year of college. I decided I didn't want to be like that anymore. I was very shy and bookish and very awkward. So you weren't like tearing up the dance floor in high school? No, no, no.
I was dancing at home with my siblings. But in high school, I didn't go to any dances. I know this is where I get sad. This is where I get sad. I went to my prom, but I got there late because my prom day, Terry Hayes was very late getting her dress made.
So we got there very late. I'm telling you and dancing my prom. Okay. Okay. This has gotten very tragic.
No, I will be because I feel like that this idea of coming into your own and like feeling your getting in your sense of power and like who you are and all this stuff is like the theme of the for me, your career, your life for interview because I find your my experience with you. I feel like you really have worked very hard to know who you are and to like show that person to the world. I mean, I think, listen, I started, I think one of my first jobs was at Barnes and Noble Bookstore and Philadelphia and I would take care of the self help section. This one was 18 years old, self help and travel. That was a section that I took care of.
And I would be in the corners and I'd be reading these books on how to become a person to be very honest because I felt I was awkward. I wasn't, I wasn't very gary, I said anything, but I knew I want to become something else. And so I went to self help books and I was like, oh, to become a different person, I do certain things or adopt certain traits. And I think while I was becoming an actor as well, it was very useful. So I was actually trying all these different things on the way I dressed, the way I expressed myself, the way I walk into a room, the way I spoke, where I pitched my voice and all of that stuff.
So I feel like all of this has been a bit manufactured, because I didn't have it before. Well, you know, you talk so much about your mom who seems so amazing. No, you would have loved her. I bet. And what would she tell you in those little awkward times?
Like, how would she reassure you or just like gently kind of walk by alongside you while you were feeling awkward? What would she say? I'll tell you this. I'll tell you this because of that because you just made me think of this. And when I was a kid, I used to always suffer from like really terrible asthma.
And one time I was hospitalized. And I went in right before maybe about like November 1st or something like that. And I was in the hospital and just breathing and stuff like that, getting myself together. And then when I came out when I was healthier, I came out and they picked my mom and picked me up at night and we're driving through the city and there's all these lights up, all the Christmas lights and stuff like that everywhere. And she said, oh my God, look at all the lights.
She says, you know, they all put up their lights to welcome you back home. And so this is the mother that I had. She would make me believe that I was very special and that the world was set up to do me more good than harm constantly. She was constantly going against any narrative of what the world was and telling me that I was special, that I was useful, that I can be whatever I wanted, I can travel because I always had my head in the book. I was looking at images of ancient Egypt and Rome and she said, well, you can grow up.
You can go to those places. So I was at a huge imagination because of my mother. So it was in all those moments where she was just like when I was wasn't feeling great about myself or anything, she would tell me how smart I was. Yes. That was the thing she always told me I was smart.
Yeah. She always said, you're so smart. Isn't it? Is it handsome? Isn't it?
That kind of early conditioning, it makes, I mean, I'm saying the obvious, but it's like a it's like actually a privilege. I'm learning more and more. It's a privilege to have had a parent or parents that said that to you. Yeah. Because it's your parents like this as well?
Absolutely, where they would be like, you can do that whisper of you can do what you want to do. You're smart, you're capable, you're useful, you're, you're, you're, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you purpose. You have, you have a reason why you're here, all that stuff. Like when it said out loud, it changes the course of your life. I think it does.
I think I've been given so many beautiful moments by people throughout my life who told me something that I didn't, maybe I didn't see myself, even how I became an actor at one of my early college teachers. I took an acting class just as an elective to again, my mother said, take a class for fun, take something to get you outside of yourself. And so we thought about an acting class. And I took this class and then this teacher, Chris Wolf, he said to me, first time I ever heard this from anyone, truly, he said, have you ever thought about acting as a profession? I was like, I don't even know what that is.
I'm kidding. What's really? I don't know. Well, your parents jobs. No, my mom worked at a bank for a long time.
She cleaned houses and then she kept on back to school. Eventually she worked in customer service at like first Pennsylvania Bank. Yeah. My dad sanded hard with floors. He was my stepfather and he was just a blue collar work.
So I was like I've got to talk with them on the summers. It makes them extra money. So they were very much like just like, just good working class folks. And they wanted you to go to college and do better than them. And you know, so they were just like, we trying to prepare you for things.
But I never heard until I got to college, that someone said, I would be curious if you followed this path as an actor because I think you have a gift. And I realized that I'd never heard someone tell me I had a gift at something. And so suddenly I was like, gift. He said, and then he said this. It was like a challenge.
He said, I'd be very curious if you follow that path. That was like my drop. I mean, because I mean, I don't want to get into this early, but Coleman and I are both any of your grandmates. Here we are, yeah, yeah, yeah. And we love a challenge.
We got that from Tina Fey, it was like what's your... Tina made Coleman take the test on the set of the first season. Yes! He got an aide, I was thrilled. And please explain that again with the eight million.
Oh God, my audience is gonna be like, but we're the challenger. I guess the point is, he challenged you. I'd be so curious what you do with that gift. And that is a motivating factor for us. It's like a little bit of a challenge is exciting for us.
Sometimes it's like our way through, like we like a little challenge. I mean, we're so easy. Everybody has their ways that like we think we're not manipulated, but we respond well to when someone says, I bet you can't do that. Oh my God. I bet I can't do that.
Yes, it's true. It's true. I'm the same way when someone's like, maybe that's not for you. I'm like, now it's 100% for me for the rest of my life. Oh my God, where you from?
From Boston, I'm right. It's a right on the front. You know, I like... But it's a city from of underdogs as well. Like Tina and I always talk about that.
We're like, there's something that Philly, and I'm like, yeah, I don't see anything. And Philly makes Boston look like London, England. See, did I always talk about it? It's true, it's true. It really is wild.
It is wild. I mean, look at the mascots. I mean, just like, it feels fanatic. I mean, that's insane. I mean, it's sort of what that is.
It's an insane person. We have the mums parade. We have the mums as like just drunk Irish people on the New Year's Day. The only time I've ever been called a seaboard to my face is at the Philadelphia airport. Wait, what?
When Tina and I were touring. And we wouldn't give a guy one of the weird, like, you know, autograph people there when they follow you around the airport and get really stressful. And we were like, oh wait, you're stressing us out a little bit. And then you keep following the seaboard and Tina turned me and she goes, welcome to Philly. And I was like, yes.
It's like a badge of honor. Yeah, exactly. They like me here. But I want to say, but you getting out of Philly, you go to San Francisco, but I just want to stay with one thing that I love Coleman about you is like, also, there's like these, there's a shy kid trying to find his way. Mom who told him he was special and Christmas lights were for him.
You go from Philly to San Fran. Why San Fran? Why do you move there? Because I had a couple of college buddies. It always happened.
This is usually the story. I had a couple of college buddies. Actually, three of them, they were living in a studio apartment in the Tenderloin district. They were like, oh, San Francisco is amazing. I was struggling in school.
I was working two jobs and trying them to translate. And I was like, my mom was like, you know, you can take a semester off and you can always go back to school. And so I had these friends of mine that moved at San Francisco. They're like, come out. I was like, great.
Like literally, come out because I was also the side bar. I just made a joke. I was like, come out. I was like, come out. I was like, come out.
I was like, I'm out. I was like, I'm out. I'm out. Sure. I'm in a rich.
So then I moved to San Francisco and it was four guys living in a studio apartment in the Tenderloin district. And if anyone out there doesn't know the Tenderloin district, you can live there. Yeah, tell everybody about that. It was very exciting. But 90s, that's when it was like, crisp.
Yeah. What was your rent? Do you remember how much your rent was? Oh, I do remember. It was for that studio was 6.25.
Six, 24 ways. And we're just like, they're like, and I literally slept. This was also a terrible joke, but I literally slept in a closet. Everybody could not have a closet. Because we had a walk in closet.
So I got a fourth guy moving in there and I literally slept in a walk in closet. You're too tall. I mean, for people that don't know, or haven't been next to, had the pleasure of being next to, you're 6'2. That's right. That's right.
I told you I could water. I was like a little actor. I was like, a little actor. Yeah, there are. And you know, I kind of get it because like, you know, it's, it's, but I love being in a scene with the 6'2.
It's kind of hot, right? Also, it's just a great view. Like as a great angle. When we turn around, the camera is going to be up here. Okay, so you go to San Fran, you're there, you're working as a bartender.
You're writing plays. Do you remember the first play that you wrote? What was it about? The first play I wrote was called Up Jump Spring Time. And that is the title of a stand gets in Abbey Lincoln song and it goes, I was out prominating and high hopes are fading.
That dreams ever really come true. Then up jumped spring time. time. I got a look at you. It was a play that I wrote. I adapted a bit of a novel
and I sort of embedded my work in there as well. It really was about coming of age as a young queer man and I had three actors. We played all the roles. We played men, women, lovers, mothers, fathers, sisters, whatever. It was really about the experience that nobody was writing about at the time. It must have felt so good to be a
successful playwright while you were also auditioning and being an actor. I think so, but to be honest, I didn't consider myself a writer at that time and then I grew into becoming a playwright. What year was this that you're writing? I started writing about 1997. The last play, I've written plays and musicals. I've
written the Donta Summer musical. I want to talk about that. I've read a musical. You wrote the book for the Donta Summer musical. Yeah, I know, right? I mean, again, in that in that high school world of like the
dances we were at or we weren't at, Donta Summer, her music was so important to our generation and to every generation, but I feel like Donta Summer doesn't quite get spoken about it now. She was one of the greatest singers I think that has ever walked this planet because also her voice, she could do anything with her voice. Yeah. She could sing opera. She could sing country. She could sing disco. I think that her voice, I mean she even famously talked about her voice.
She was like, no, I make music. And you just never know where I'm going to be angled in that way. And then before we move on to you, like the career stuff, I want to pause to talk about because is it around this time you meet your husband? Oh, no, I met my husband and 21 years ago. So in 2005, I've grown up.
Okay, so none in San Francisco. You met him any. No funny. It's a weird thing because I lived in San Francisco for 10 years. Yeah. Move to New York. I go back to San Francisco to do a show at Berkeley Rep. Yeah. I go to Berkeley, California on crossing paths,
going into a Walgreens with the most beautiful person I think I've ever seen. Not even just be able to aesthetically, but like just energetically. We never speak. Three days later, I'm trying to buy used computer on Craigslist. I couldn't stop thinking about him.
And I thought about posting one of the Craigslist misconnections ads. So analog. And I still read them like crazy. Yeah. And I get to the second page and third one down. I remember exactly the placement.
And it said, so I got to Walgreens, Berkeley. He placed it just an hour before I looked. So we were looking for each other. And then we met. And I'm so uncool. And we met three days later, had our first date. And I literally was like,
I think I love you. I got to change my life. That's how uncool I am though. But that's so good. That's so direct. Also, everyone that took a look at Rebel, like everyone would be like, I love you.
You got that a lot. You got to lock that down. And I'm sure, but that's you. Like, you're, I mean, what I'm learning about you in the moment. And also you're one of the many, many things that I love about getting to know you is you.
There's not a lot of like people know how you feel. Yeah, there's no question. That's a love language. Like, I'm going to just tell you how I feel now. I'm going to take that risk.
I'm like, that's that's what vulnerability is. Like, I'm just going to tell you right now. I love you. Like, no games at all. I'm always telling people to like, don't play me games. Just be straight.
If you don't like it, you don't like me. Exactly. The movement that that takes time away from, you know, just move away. Get out the way then. Yes. People who will receive that, they're going to be right there with me.
And so you guys have been together 22 years, 21 years. You know, here at Good Hang, we only allow a few, a few spouses to come because, you know, you don't want to have, you don't want to have everybody's wife and husband around. And we've had the most amazing group of people. We've had roles here today. Yes. We've got he's in the green room. Hi, Row. I love you.
Roles here today. We had Carol Brenette bring her husband, Brian, and we've had Viola Davis's husband, Julius. And that's it. That's it. That's it for the good hang. That's it. No more spouses.
No. Well, it's like a cat. He's sort of like, you know, you barely even know he's here. Well, and the cheekbones. What? What? We want for the cheekbones. I mean, both of you guys are like,
cheekbones idiot. You guys could open up a cheekbone shot. That's a nice adventure. And it's funny, because sometimes when we're with other people, they can even tell that we're, I guess it's a compliment. They can't tell that we've been together for so long. Yes. They can't tell that they can't tell because we're
still like very in love with each other. Yes. And we have fun and we touchy feelings. But also then, even when we're in groups of people like, Oh my God. Hi guys. No, it's my husband.
Oh my God. That's my role. That's my husband. He's like a lot of fun. Yeah.
And I wish you two could have children together. And just, but just the two of you. Wait for the science to happen. Maybe it's gonna happen. Just faces along. Just the cheekbones on that baby. Maybe we have four cheekbones.
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can do it all. You have done so many different parts. But what I love is your path is the one that I recognize because we're the same age of like what all actors kind of did to start, because you didn't have an in. You were just like, how do I get started making the work? And so you do, you're like learning on the job. And I mean, you're even in law and order,
which is like, you're not an actor. You're not an actor. Exactly. Exactly. What you were on, what did you play? Do you remember your character? I was on like three or four law and odors. I was
on different characters. I remember the law and order of criminal intent. Of course. And I played a schizophrenic aeronatic. I played an attorney on one of them. You went from the
schizophrenic aeronatic to an attorney. Exactly. That's acting. That's acting. I also was a bartender at a letter that I gave out of bar. Great. Like unpacking the various ball gags as you were telling
them about. What about loner is they're so busy. They're so busy when the cops are talking to them. They're just like, you know what they're talking about. They're like, I'm sorry, I'm going to pack these bags while you're talking to me, officer. What? I'm going to get the fruit off the struct.
I don't want time for that. I don't want to watch it. I don't want to watch it. In particular for that, I'm like, the walk-and-talk. We're too busy for these officers to talk about. Totally. I was a very busy
bartender. Yes, exactly. And it was exciting to get those parts at the time. That was a good game. Because if you felt like you were garbage, you were like, I never got a lot of order. No. If I could go back
in a time machine, if I could go back to the future of my life, the one thing I would do to really, and maybe it would change my whole, maybe it would be. Book a long order. I would book a long order. What? That was my goal. But listen, when I was in San Francisco, the gig was to get booked on
Nas Bridges. Because that was, yeah, I played every dumb criminal on that show. I played one of them. Exactly. And yes, and I literally, wait, there's one episode of the video watching.
It's my favorite episode of me. I kidnapped Don Johnson's daughter and gave him family. And I happened to be wearing a kooji sweater while I was working out. Okay, sure. I was like, you know, Bill Cosby, kooji sweater. I was in a kooji sweater like a lot of working. He busts through the door
and I'm like, oh, and I throw the weights off. And I'm running. And it kicks me in the ass through the window. And then he picks me up and he's like, where's your work? It's my favorite episode. It's
so crazy and rabid. And you're like, what is happening? You're wearing a kooji sweater. One working out. I'm expressing. But also, I was the only actress I did in the question. I'm like, what's the
more that I do? That's what we're wearing. At the time I didn't work out. So I don't know if I thought people were kooji sweaters. I think it's so embarrassing. I love it so much. Okay, then you go to New York.
You're doing a million plays on Broadway and the West End. And I do have some important theater questions because I have such respect for people who do that grind into such grind. It is the hardest job. I mean, to have the hardest part of your day be at the end of your day, to show up every day and do the same thing. And you're not getting paid a lot of money when you're doing theater. And
you're like being asked to do a lot. But I'm always curious about a couple things. I'm like, oh, Coleman will tell me the truth. Okay. Yeah. Have you ever thrown up on stage?
Okay. Because these are some of my stage fears, like my anxieties. What do you do if you have to in the middle of a scene go to the bathroom? You just hold it. You hold it. You hold it. Although I did
there was a situation where your character went the bathroom. You said you know what listen, I like I make sure before I go out it's a practice. Yeah. You have to go you have to make that happen. Yes. Whatever. Whatever. You got to happen. I'm happy to have a egg over easy. You're gonna
make it happen. Have you ever forgotten lines on stage? No, no, but I had to work with some people who sometimes would flub some things and you have to help support it. My biggest nightmare, which is like someone skips ahead. Oh, yeah. When you're in. Oh, I fully have that.
They skip ahead. I'm living stress dream. Yeah. Exactly. Oh, no, it's true. It happens.
But that's, but I think that's a joy of it too. So you see, you're like, that makes you wily. I got to work on my feet. I got to get that storyline back in there. I got to make that cue happen. Have you ever forgotten a prop? Like been like what gone in a scene to see?
Oh, yeah. I think I forgot a gun. I forgot a gun. And I was like, and you're like, hold it like that. So I was real strong. They look at me like, where's the gun? I'm like,
it's right here. Tough. I didn't put the finger. I was smart enough to not do that. But I just was strong. And I was a threat. But there was no gun. Exactly. Have you ever had to say,
is there a doctor in the house? No, somebody said that I'm like, why'd you other day? And I was like, they did. And I literally thought, well, I played a doctor. And I thought, that's not what they want. I'm sorry. If someone is a medical emergency,
is their doctor open for? And I was like, literally for a second, I thought, what? I only thought I was a doctor. I was like, I only thought about it. I only thought about it.
I can't do anything. I can't do anything. When did you play a doctor? I played a doctor on the neck. Oh, yeah. That show was great. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, it must be to be a doctor. And when you hear,
this is why you know you're not a doctor. Because when you hear, is there a doctor on board and you're like, oh, but a real, a regular doctor must be like, oh, God. They must be. They must be. But also you start thinking like, doctor's two different things. There's not one right. So you think,
like, well, I have a doctorate. But you really do. Yeah. I have a doctorate. I have a doctorate.
I mean, I do not have a doctorate yet. But I'm doctorate. But I just must be like, oh, God, can I pretend I'm not a doctor? They're like, I'm just watching. I'm watching this movie. I'm
gonna finish this. Yeah, I'm almost done with the season of summer house. Like, wait, you, you, you have a doctorate? Yeah, I just got two in a month. Isn't that crazy? Congratulations. It's kind of really though, too.
I think I just got a doctor from Swarthmore. I got a doctor of arts as of four days ago. Fantastic. And I got one from my alamada temple university. Yeah. That's been really something.
It was really wonderful. You went back and like, did you have to give a speech? I gave the commencement address at Temple and I gave a little acceptance to speech at Swarthmore. And I think what I love about it, especially right now, I feel like something about being with young people and students. Yeah. Because I feel like they really need to hear some words out here. Like, how's it going to be?
And they need to be inspired. What was your kind of, what was your, the organizing principle for your temple talk? Love. Yeah. I really feel like the more that I distill things of what I care about right now, what I want to inspire people to do is to love more.
And whatever that means, I feel like that encompasses a lot. If I'm talking about love and service, and if people can detach themselves to that and whatever way it is for them. So I feel like, I'm talking a lot about that because I feel like that's what we need to hear. I don't want to be, oh, you know, make this world yours and do this and I don't need to do all that. But if you do with love, whatever you're doing, just participate and feel like that, you know, you have a voice and you can be the change. You know, there's, and don't be afraid of what's out there. There's probably jobs
out there that aren't even, don't even have a name yet. That's right. That's right. I just want to inspire that with their imagination as well. Well, I mean, the word that I've heard described, a word that is used to describe you a lot is empathy is the, the empathetic way in which you not only work with people because you learn a lot by somebody about somebody, but how they work.
But that is, that makes perfect sense. That's what you would be talking about. Because I mean, all the characters that you've played, you have even characters that feel like they're really the villain of the story. There is you were always approaching them with that, basically that they're human being. I think so. I think I have to love every character that I play. I feel even though the
villainous ones are like, well, then playing a pimp or a mist in the club purple or Joe Jackson. I'm never trying to take the lens of what everyone else says about the person. I do my study, my research, and find out who that person is and find my way in. That person is connected to some part of me in some way. You're working color purple. You're working in Michael, like the work
you've done, the work you've done on stage, Rustin, how did that change? I mean, that, that, that portrayal was so beautiful and also just like a part that met you at the time when you were ready for it. Did it feel like that? It felt like we were meeting each other when we needed each other. Like this, this role, this moment to pull by Rustin out of the, for people who don't know, by Rustin was the organizer of the March on Washington. He was an
open-game man at a time. Of course, when it was not cool to himself or his body or, or him having momentum in this world. And he defied all that. And he was brilliant. No one could deny that he was brilliant and he's smart, but he was always on the sidelines of history. And I felt like, and I can,
maybe I'll say it in this way too, I felt that my career was very similar in that way. I would show up, I would do the work. I was a practitioner, but I was always sort of a bit marginalized. And in a way, just like, oh yeah, that's great. But that, that serves that purpose. But it's never the engine
or something. But I knew I could be the ender. And so when I finally got this opportunity, if we were meeting each other, we're like, oh, I know this guy, I, I live with him. He's a part of me as well. And then also, I just have to talk about Sing Sing. Okay. Coleman, Coleman, I watched that
on an airplane. And I loved to cry on an airplane. Me too. Me too. It was the best thing. I love,
I bet we're similar. I like to cry by myself on an airplane. Yeah. And um, hopefully, like, like, hopefully under blanket. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
That must have felt like such a work of talking about love. Like it must have felt like what was it like to make that film? I think that's exactly what it felt like. I felt like I knew that I, I had the opportunity to help tell the story of these men in a really complex way. Incarcerated men. These men are incarcerated, you know, with this beautiful arts program in the center of it.
And they hung on to it. Like it was their, um, it was a new path for them. Yeah. To exhibit empathy, and joy and dance and art and all this other way, all this other stuff. So it was really like healing them in many ways. And I worked with a group of formerly incarcerated men who went to the
program. And I really, you know, led this film and we produced it as well. But I knew it was something that like, you know, I think I got paid like $100 a day. Yeah. And we had a very tight schedule.
Yeah. It looks like a labor. And this is the kind of work that you're like, oh, this is why I can do that other high profile work. Right. And I can put my attention on work like this. That's very
necessary. Yeah. And so we created with like, we locked arms together. And that's what felt like locking arms. And it was a great beautiful challenge for me because these men have the lived experience of being incarcerated with this program. And it was the first time that I think I was challenged
with actually giving even more of myself of like putting myself in those circumstances. Like, yeah, I could be wrongfully accused of something. I could be in the wrong place the wrong time. A lot of people in prison are not, they don't belong in prison. You know, so I can find that part of myself. So I
think it was a bit more bearing of my own soul and work. And I think that's what the difference is for me. I can see it, which is why I feel like I haven't watched the movie that often because I feel like I feel, you know, you watch something like, it takes you right back to the movie. Yeah. And basically what I always, I have like a somatic experience if I'm watching something I've done much more than remembering, like even the plot or story or like, I just remember the feeling I had making it. Yeah. That must have been an intense feeling. It's pretty intense. Yeah. I mean,
it's so you're so good. And you're such a natural leader. Thank you. And you can tell in that film that you're leading people through the film while being in the moment in the characters. Well, the funny thing is I did that movie after Rustin. Yeah. And I really felt like
we're doing them at the same time, basically. A little bit a little bit because I do pick up for Rustin right after and then I started to call it purple. But I literally felt like sort of that trio of films really ignited that true leader in me on sets, you know, and as a leading actor too. I sort of, I literally moved into my leading actor in a way. And like sort of, but I feel like I needed all those years of supporting and being sort of that utilitarian actor and plays and things like that.
Yeah. I did all of that. Yeah. But I was always, even when I was doing work on stage, I was always the equity deputy. So I was always the one that everyone came to to make to write the wrongs or, you know, advocate for actors or practices or something like that. So I was like, always the one
listening will be willing. But now I really have the role and the opportunity. And so then I took that into my leadership of Sing Sing and just kept going. It's such incredible work. I loved it so much. I wish we were friends then because I would have texted the shit out of you. Okay. So
as we're wrapping up, we're going to talk about your new movie disclosure day, which is going to be a gigantic hit, holy shit. And for seasons, which I love you on, let's get to the fact that you've worked with and have been influenced by and shaped by amazing women. Yes, truly. Your mother being the first who I just everything I read about her. I just love my love her face. And I love,
I just, she just seems like a wonderful person. And I love the story of Edith writing letters to Oprah Winfrey, who of course was a producer and in the color in the color purple version that you did. And can you just tell that story about how your mom wrote letters when you were? Oh my god. My mom would get this. My mom would she would when I was starting out as an actor in San Francisco
in the 90s. I would call my mom. We would talk a couple times a week and I would have my struggles as an actor. And she said, she was like, we know I wrote Oprah today. And I was like, why? And she said, well, you know, she can help you. I was like, what you want to do?
It was she helps people. She's so good at how good you were. She can help you. And I was like, okay, whatever. So I'm like, over and over again, this was like maybe I was eight time my mom wrote Oprah. And I was like, Oh my god, we please stop writing Oprah. I'm like, that's it feels crazy.
So anyway, cut to years later, I just have to side bar say my mother always she was like, she was so hopeful. And she would say, Oh my gosh, I just need, I just want Spike Lee to know you and Steven Spielberg. They should they would love you. They would just love you. And I'm not going to cry. I think about this. She always had that much faith that people, even if I didn't see it, she
thought, he's just got to know you. They would love you the way I love you. Yeah, that's that's lovely. And literally I'm like, because I look at my life now and all these people are in my life. Yeah, amazing. I do believe that sometimes people have dreams for you. You don't even have for yourself.
And at some point, they meet. And so I had this moment, I was in Maui with Oprah walking on her beautiful mountain and we're hiking suddenly I said, Oh my God, it just occurred to me. I said, my mother used to write to you over and over again. And she says, really? I say, yeah. And she sort of
stops and says, Oh, I don't know if I got the letters, but I know I got the message. And then we just continue to walk hand in hand. And I really do believe it's like, I know that like, I'm gonna say it. I think that I know that like when I lost my mom in 2006, and I lost my mom and myself, I was in the same year. I just I knew that like my friend Melissa said, when I was very baruffed, and I said, what am I gonna do with all this love? I know that I was a good son. If I know if I wasn't anything
else, I was a good son. And she said, we can put the love into everything you do. Yeah, yeah. And and that will be you'll do it in dedication to your mom. And so literally, I feel like, because I've been leading that way, I've been meeting every person. It's like my mother's own Wizard of Oz. I've
been meeting every person that she laid out for me. Yes. And that they've loved me the way that she loves me. Yes. Like what just closed you days like she wanted me she wanted Steven Spielberg to know me she didn't know it. Steven Spielberg would love me. But we love each other now. And he's my family.
I love that. I love it. You did so much. You want to tell you what I don't say this like you would love her. She was fun. Yeah. Sweet. Yeah. And like the dance. I think I'm a lot like her to me on us.
Yeah. She talked to everybody. She would really when I was a kid I was annoying. She I was like, Mom, can we just go to the end and out the bank? And she was like, how are you? How are you doing?
She flirted with everybody to go, watch her legs. You're so cute. Amy. I got she would do that. Well, you know what's kind of fun when you're a woman of a certain age, I just realized that the other day I was like, watch it, Amy. You guys, like you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys,
we start going, you're beautiful. You look at your butt. Wow. He's got nice arms. Exactly. Oh, that little lady is so. That was my mother. You gotta be careful.
You just go, wow, look at her face. My mother was old. So she would reach out and touch it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. My grandmother used to be like, oh, look at the chest on him. And I'd be like,
nana, you can't touch it. And now you're becoming that. And how is it like working with my wife for life, Tina Fey? We have such good time together. You know, why this thing is it's funny when I first met Tina, she's shy too. She's very shy. But I thought, I didn't know what to think of her when I first met
because I thought she's very, I thought she's very, she's like a scientist, especially when it comes to comedy and being very thoughtful. But she's also very, I find her to be very tender and very sweet. She's very sweet. She's very sweet. And she's, she's more touchy-feely than I knew. And I love that we've
sort of become, I feel like she's becoming one of my good friends. Yeah. Because I love, I text you text right back. She's always in my corner. She's just, um, once I've had her, she's a tourist too.
She's a tourist. What are you? It's not you. It's not you. I found that she's a tourist. I'm like,
I got you figured out. I live with one for 21 years. So I got you. She wanted me to ask you what peptides are you on? I'm not. I want to. She's like, she's in the right room right now. She said,
ask Coleman, the writers want to know where does he get his energy? What peptides? They all think about something because they're like, how are you possibly doing all this stuff? But I just, it's like, my dream is that while we're while I'm recording these podcasts, we're all getting peptides at the same time. I think we should be, I think we should be, like, whatever peptides is doing, I don't know.
People are looking for it. You know what I love about peptides is people are like, I'm getting all these peptides and it's like, what's in it? And they're like, I don't know. Yes. Everyone, everyone's just shooting it in and they're like, hope for the best. Okay, you get them every day. It's what's in it. It's called B one, two, eight.
Yeah. But you're right. No one can describe what it is. No, no one knows what it is. In fact, it's better not to know. Just like, let's just go. Let's just peptide it up.
You and I let's do it. Okay. You're in the big movie of the summer. It's, I mean, let's Steven Spielberg. So we have a thing where we talk to people before our podcast and we find out more about them. We talk well behind the back and we talk to Steven Spielberg.
Oh, you know you did. Yes. What? Yes. We talk to Steven Spielberg. I was very nervous.
Wow. I actually, I realized as I was talking about, I almost was like, Mr. Spielberg. And I said to him, like, your work is in my body. Like, your work is in my subconscious forever.
You've shaped our childhood every single summer, every version of like an unknown world you brought us in. He's just so singular. He is. What? And you've worked with him a couple of times.
So before we get to the great stuff he talked, he said about you. What is so great working about working with him? What's it like to work with him? He's just lovely. He's funny and warm. He gives
you. He's got a sparkling his eye to make you believe you can do anything. Even if he's giving you the wildest task of saying these lines while going through an explosion and there's, you know, the camera work is all intensive. He looks at you and believes you can do it. And so you have that belief. You're like, Oh, great. We're going to make something together. We're taking a leap of
faith together. He's really just lovely and he's kind. Yeah. And he's right there with you. He likes his portable monitor and he's right in the action with you. No, no, he's not at chairs. He's
not a video village. No, there's no ego about the work. Yeah. And he's also just like, you know, what do you think about this? Or like, you know, you can bring your ideas. Well, let's think about
this. So he's very collaborative. And that's what I enjoy about him. He's it's his kindness. Yeah. And also he feels like how can I say, he feels like he's just starting out. Like he's
that excited. He's like, Oh, let's try that. Let's try that. I have an idea. I have an idea. Okay,
great. And he's okay. Let's try it. He's a kid assembling his favorite craftsman around. He's playing with you. We're all playing together. I mean, this is like a big is gonna be a big summer movie,
like a blockbuster. I think it's a movie we all need right now. For sure. It is a movie after I've seen it twice now. And I've cried both times. I'll just tell you, and I won't tell you why I cried, but it really
did feel like it's a movie that's trying to connect us again, all of us, you know, especially like the idea of inviting the idea that there's something bigger than all of us that we're part of. So I think that's why I cried. I called him right after him and said, he really care about us. He really care about humanity, you know, and what we're wrestling it with right now in our times. And then what can unite us? Well, he said the same thing about you. He basically was like, yeah, I'm talking about
what he said. First of all, he said it. Real housewives. This is the first podcast where I'm like, he actually said some some. He was saying that working with you is like working with a self-driving car. Like you know that you're going to like you have it, you're you're in the zone like there's very
little that he has to do because he has such faith in you. But what you lead with as a person on set in an ensemble is empathy and love and respect. So like what you get is this act is very skilled actor, but also a really wonderful person. And I think the privilege of when you get to a certain age and you work, you get to want to surround yourself with those kinds of people, like that's important. And it's not always the case. I think when you're younger, you're kind of like maybe complicated,
difficult people are there to challenge me in different ways. And I'll learn something from that. I know for me anyway, like as I get older, I'm like, also I want to be around people, good people like a life of short. Yeah, life of short. This should be fun. How luck you're we. So and his
question was question was kind of like a because we were talking about auditioning and I was asking him like, how do people not get nervous around him? Like, how does he do with people's nerves? Because he must have people coming up being like next to me too. And he wanted me to ask you, did you ever not get apart that you tried hard to get? And like, what did you do with it? When like, what did you do
with the feeling when you didn't get it? So many. Oh my God, I was like, most of my career, I was booking a lot. I really feel like I was like, even things you felt like you really wanted or you really were skilled for. At some point, you had to divorce yourself from the idea of getting a role. You're
like, oh, I'm prepared for this. But it's not up to me. It's like, because any, maybe that's thing I pride myself on. I'm like, when they want me, they want all of me. Yeah. They want,
it's okay if they want someone else. So for me, I became a practice of being very sober about it and saying, you know, it's okay if they don't want me because like, what I give is very different than that other guy. Yeah. It's not that he was better than me. Yeah. Or but I know he was useful to them
all the things I was going to bring to it. And that's cool. So for me, it was like, and maybe that was a healthy thing that I needed to give myself. Yeah. So I give myself grace and like, and continue to be a practitioner of this art form and not let it be about my ego. But it doesn't do anything
that I feel like it's a learn skill that's hard to do when you're young. Because also when you're young, but also there are times when you're, I mean, listen, I've had moments where there were things that I thought I was perfect for. Yeah. And I didn't get and it shattered me. But like, I'll be right on Amy. Amy. I never really imagined the place that I'm in right now. Yeah. In this industry. I just
want to be a working actor. And also you're so famous. I got so famous Amy. But you're right. And also the contentment part, that's the goal. Yeah. Like satisfaction,
contaminates the hardest thing to find. It doesn't matter what you do. Hell is wanting more. It's like hell. That's suffering. It is suffering. I think that listen, I got a beautiful, beautiful message
from this guy when I was turning 50. This guy was driving me in a car in Toronto and who's 70 years old. And I said, do you have any words of wisdom from my 50th? And he said, he said, listen, I wish I knew this years ago. He said, it's important to you want to hope for everything but want for nothing.
And I was like, to eliminate want. You know, so I know that like, I want to walk into a room. Like you say, I walk into these rooms or in sets. I don't really want anything. Yeah. I hope that it can be.
There's other things that I hope that it can be. But I'm not coming to get something. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? I'm coming to hopefully be in service and also to give something. Yeah. I think
that's the best we all can be. So if everyone's coming from that place, we all win. Yeah. Yeah. The problem is only when somebody's coming in just like to want to take shit and that's ego in the room and then that's that's some dark forces and you try to just protect yourself against that, you know. We got to talk about those egos offline. Exactly. The dark force. Okay. I love that
you're we're the same age, by the way, because I've said this before. You look good, don't we? We look great. We look great. You look great. Thank you. But we're going to 50, 55, 56. I'm
turning 55 very soon. I'm turning you. You're 56. Yeah. And I like what's your favorite part about your 50s. I love my 50s. You know, it's funny. I mean, lately, it feels like things are moving faster. Like
I just did. I'm like, I'm 57 this year. It's making me sense. And once you get past 55, I don't like the second half of the decade because like, you know, like, 50, I'm not 50. And then you're like, you know what 60, 60, 60, 60, 45, 60, 60, 60. I'm 50. Yeah. I thought my 40s. I was it was fine.
Yeah. It's getting better. Yeah. I agree. I'm so happy to be able to be able to be constantly to take care of yourself, right? That's right. And it's in a different way. I'm
showing up in a different way. Yeah. So I feel like we get better. Yeah. I feel like our obsession with youth is like, I think it's changing. I think our generation is helping. I think one of the
legacies of Gen X, I've said this before, is that which we are proudly proud members of. We're not boomers. We're Gen X. We're rock. We don't give a shit. We don't give a shit. We don't give a fuck
generation. We made our own, we don't give a shit. We were like, fuck around, find our generation. Exactly. We are tough. We are tough. We are tough. And we and we and nobody remembers us.
No, we're just like, no, we're just like, no, we're just like, it's true. We're the top of the generation. We're the top of the generation. We're president, the Gen X president. Anyway, we don't care. We don't care. Our system is broken. We always knew that.
But one of the things about it is like, is that, um, we've, oh, I've completely lost my job. I do all that. I forgot what I was talking about. Who cares? You know what? Who cares? Who cares?
Who cares? Okay. Last question. Last question, moment. What has been making you laugh these days? I know you love to laugh. You love comedy. Yes. What do you listen to watching? Like, what do you
go to when you want to check out laugh? Like, dumb, hi, brow. What is the thing? I always go back to watching Melissa McCarthy and spy. Oh my God. Okay. Let's watch her right now. I got to laugh.
Any clip spies watch it. Melissa McCarthy is so funny. She's so funny. Have you guys met? I love her. Yeah. We, we, we, she came to, I met her backstage at SNL when she was there for the Jack Black.
And I just like, I really want to be coming friends because we exchange numbers, but I really want to be a friend. Okay. Because she's like, she comes across as this now see woman who works for the CIA. And then you find that she's an agent as well. And then she goes on this whole journey. Like,
she was like, really like, you know, laying back and she, you find that she's like the most wildest one of them all. She's wild. Yeah. All these great disguises, which are really one as funny after Vanessa Rose learners and she's out of control. This is a comfort movie for you. Sky. I don't
watch it at any time. That and the couple of people. I know it's very weird. Very, very, I watch like the Whoopie version of it. Oh my God. I want to cry hard. Yeah. I laugh at harder. Oh,
God, I'm with you. I kind of, I'm the same way. I want to cry. I want, you know what I don't want to be anymore. Or scared. Don't want to be scared. No, I don't want to be scared. I don't want to
know anything. No more. I just saw the other day there was some new thing. I don't want to even say it. And I was like, you don't want that. I don't want that. I don't know more movies about being
attacked in your own home. No, no, no, it's terrible. It's terrible movies. I never watched those movies. Me neither. I never. I don't want that. No. No more. We either want to laugh or we want to cry.
He like laugh or cry period. The end. That's it. Well, I feel like you should do a movie with Melissa McCarthy. I think I should do. I would love that. God, you're so funny Coleman. Oh, thank you.
So you can do anything. Thank you. You can wear lime green. You can pull it off. Well, thank you for my egg. Oh, this has been so great. So fun. We've been talking for an
hour and a half and it just went by so fast. So good. And I just love being able to call you a new friend. I feel that way too. Thank you for doing this. Congrats on everything. I'm always excited
about what you're doing and like a true, true fan of your work. So thank you. I'm a fan of you and every single way. Thank you so much for doing this. Coleman, thank you so much. It's so
fun to be around you. You're just a joy and thank you. Thank you so much for doing this show. And you know, Coleman and I talked about a lot of things. We have a lot of shared similar experiences being pretty much the same age growing up on the East Coast. But we did mention Dance Party USA.
And for those of you that haven't seen any clips of that, do yourself a favor and go to YouTube and watch Dance Party USA. It kind of was like a very suburban version of American Bandstand, like Soul Train, you know, without the soul. And it was on in the 80s. Just there's such incredible hair, such 80s hair, tons of hairspray, incredible outfits. And it's just kids dancing to the hits at the time.
And what was so fun about Dance Party USA was of course, Kelly Ripa was on there. That was the first time I saw Kelly. I think she went by a different name. But also they just would like talk about the relationships that they were having and that people were dating and breaking up. So it was like a soap opera with no lines and lots of dancing. Dance Party USA, check it out. It's a time capsule.
Thank you so much everybody for listening to this episode of Good Hang and all the episodes. And can't wait to do more for you. Thank you. Bye. See you soon. You've been listening to Good Hang.
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