'Coming Out in Brooklyn' and 'U.S. Education'

Kathryn interviews biographer Steven Gaines, bestselling author of "One of These Things First: A Memoir". Gaines is known for chronicling some of the 20th century's most notable artists, such as the Beatles and fashion designer Halston. Gaines reflects on his own story as a gay Jewish teen in 1960's Brooklyn and his trajectory to, after a failed suicide attempt, a private room in one of the most exclusive psychiatric hospitals in the world. Kathryn also interviews Cornelius N. Grove EdD, author of "The Drive to Learn: What the East Asian Experience Tells Us About Raising Students Who Excel". The U.S. is currently ranked #25 in education globally behind countries such as Singapore, China and Japan. Dr. Grove believes that our children's poor learning can't totally be the fault of America's educators – our children are also active participants as to what goes on in schools. He argues that both are part of the problem and both must be part of the solution.