"A Veil, Not a Wall" — Boyd K. Packer on Covenants & the Spirit World | LDS

Send us Fan MailIs it a veil — or a wall — that separates us from our loved ones in the spirit world? In this episode of Thinning of the Veil, host Tia Smith shares one of the most quoted teachings in Latter-day Saint (LDS) history: Elder Boyd K. Packer's April 1987 general conference address, "Covenants," and his witness that "it is a veil, not a wall, that separates us from the spirit world."Tia chose this talk for its many short, powerful truths about the gathering — temple and family history work — and why, for those who keep their covenants, the veil can become thin, even parted. Elder Packer weaves in the tender account of his friend Elder A. Theodore Tuttle, the image of a "spiritual sextant" set to the word covenant, and the reason vicarious temple work matters: just as the Savior did for us what we could not do for ourselves, we can stand in for those who have gone before.Q: What did Boyd K. Packer mean by "a veil, not a wall"?A: In his 1987 talk "Covenants," Elder Packer taught that only a veil — not a wall — separates us from the spirit world, and that for those who keep their covenants, that veil can become thin, even parted; those who have gone before us are, on occasion, very close to us.Q: Why do Latter-day Saints do temple and family history work for the dead?A: Elder Packer taught that ordinances and covenants are our credentials for returning to God's presence — and that once we receive them, we're obligated to provide them vicariously for our kindred dead, just as Christ's Atonement was offered vicariously for all of us.Q: What is the story of Elder Tuttle in this talk?A: Gravely ill, Elder A. Theodore Tuttle asked the Lord to take the blessings from the many prayers offered for his recovery and give them instead to struggling souls in South America who needed them more — a quiet lesson in keeping covenants and submitting, "thy will be done."This is Tia's ongoing witness: the veil is not a wall, and as we keep our covenants and labor in the gathering, it can thin in our own lives.▶️ WATCH & LISTEN🎬 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thinningoftheveil🌐 Website: https://www.thinningoftheveil.com🎧 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thinning-of-the-veil/id1753511394🟢 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6jWCfMHkZXwnSwy2b98J4M🎵 Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/a0a45561-d4c2-46d3-af8d-a1e967a21a25📖 BOOKPatterns of Revelation — Spiritual Foundations for Hearing God's Voice: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BW36MG9B📱 CONNECTInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thinning.of.the.veilFacebook Group (Gathering of the Gatherers): https://www.facebook.com/groups/1429562078443774Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thinningoftheveil💛 SUPPORT THE SHOWVenmo: https://account.venmo.com/u/thinningoftheveilPayPal: https://paypal.me/thinningoftheveil✉️ Have you had a thinning of the veil experience? Email [email protected] — your testimony may be exactly what someone needs to hear.#ThinningOfTheVeil #BoydKPacker #Temple #FamilyHistory #LDS #LatterDaySaints #SpiritWorld #Covenants #Elijah #ComeFollowMeCITATIONS:Boyd K. Packer, "Covenants", Apr. 1987: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1987/04/covenants?lang=engSupport the show