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EPISODE · Jun 30, 2026 · 26 MIN

Don't Be Boring, Here's the Fix: Storytelling 101

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Episode 54: "Don't Be Boring, Here's the Fix: Storytelling 101"Ever watched someone's eyes glaze over the second you started talking? You're not imagining it. And it's fixable.Episode DescriptionThis year, two interviews landed on Shelly's calendar that felt like a dream to book. Both guests are good people living lives of real service. Both conversations still fell flat, and not because of who they were.In this solo episode, Shelly unpacks what those two conversations had in common, and holds it up against a very different reaction from early in the show's history, a conversation with an eleven-time New York Times bestselling author that still stands as one of the best interviews on the podcast. The difference wasn't credentials. It was storytelling.You'll walk away with a new way to think about who owns your story, who doesn't, and the one shift that turns "talking about yourself" into a story people lean into instead of tune out of.Chapters00:00 Welcome and Promise01:22 Two Interviews Fell Flat03:09 Donald Miller Breakthrough05:39 Why Stories Hook Us09:10 Zoom In on Stakes11:43 Permission vs Craft15:48 Interviewer Skill Gap17:09 Three Questions to Open Up21:21 Takeaways and ClosingKey TopicsWhy the most accomplished people can still tell a boring storyThe difference between owning your story and earning permission to tell itWhat good storytelling borrows from Save the Cat and The Seven Basic PlotsWhy the interviewer's own skill matters as much as the guest's storyNext Week: Episode 55 — Andy Stumpf, US Navy SEAL (ret.)Resources & LinksLearn More:Hardcore and At Ease Framework: https://www.OthersOverSelf.comPersonal Mission Statement Workshop: [email protected] a Strategy Session: [email protected] Disclaimer: I earn commissions when you purchase through links on this site, podcast, or social media. I only recommend products and services I genuinely use and believe will help you. These commissions come at no additional cost to you and help support the content I create. For complete details, see our full affiliate policy.Get the Gear: 📊 My Business Report: https://hardcore-and-at-ease.captivate.fm/biz-report 🎯 StoryBrand.ai: https://hardcore-and-at-ease.captivate.fm/storybrand-ai 📚 Business Made Simple: https://hardcore-and-at-ease.captivate.fm/bms 🚀 Flight School: https://hardcore-and-at-ease.captivate.fm/flight-school 📈 My Marketing Report: https://hardcore-and-at-ease.captivate.fm/marketing-reportSubscribe & ConnectListen: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | YouTube | https://othersoverself.comConnect: LinkedIn: Mission Ambition | Instagram: @OthersOverSelf | Twitter/X: @OthersOverSelfEmail: [email protected] & Review: Leave a 5-star review on Apple PodcastsWork with Shelly: One-on-One Coaching | Personal Mission Statement Workshop | Team Training. Book a discovery call: [email protected]

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