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And today's guest is one that we've had on before, but one of your favorites. So there's only a couple of guests that we've had on a couple of times. And today's is going to be a real treat. We have the one and only Dr.
Joe Dispenza. Joe, it is such a pleasure to have you back. Thank you, Jay. I'm happy to be here.
Yeah, and you look really well. I mean, it's been a crazy year for everyone, for you as well. I mean, you know, you're used to doing so many events, packed out audiences. And of course, last year that may have been slightly affected.
And what's the biggest difficulty or challenge you've had to overcome in the past 12 months? First of all, one of the things about the global pandemic that I said to my staff and to my family the moment I heard how the circumstances in the world changed, I just said, I refuse to be a victim to these circumstances. So a victim consciousness is when we allow something in our outer environment to control the way we feel and think. So I said to you, Jay, why are you so upset today?
And you said, oh, it's because of this person or circumstance, which really saying is something in my outer environment, some person or some condition is controlling the way I think and feel. And that's not the truth. That's just a response, right? So anything that controls our thoughts and feelings causes us to be victim to those things.
And the stronger the emotion we feel to some circumstance in our life, the more we pay attention to it. And where we place our attention is where we place our energy. So we're giving our life force. We're giving our power away to that circumstance.
And so I just made up my mind that it was a great opportunity to get into the cocoon. And I don't think I've been healthier in my life. I mean, I'm usually on six different time zones in four weeks, running a lot of events, as you said. But I saw it as an opportunity to really self-reflect, to really immerse myself into my own personal work, to redo our website, to redo our brand, to connect more with my staff, to cook my own meals again and work out and use my body and do my walking meditations on the beach.
And of course, I've had a fabulous, fabulous nine months or so. But I think, you know, I think one of the challenges I think many people have is really the discernment of information. It's really difficult to know what's the truth anymore just because information is so accessible. And I used to say that in an age of information, ignorance is a choice.
And now we have to confront the whole nother level. And that is the information that we're getting, is it actually supporting us or is it something that really is an incentive to cause us to make choices? So for me, I think the biggest challenge has been just really an awakening to what kind of information I want to expose myself to. And I think it's now more than ever a challenge for a lot of people in the world.
Yeah, I think it's really interesting to hear you say that difference between reacting to our external changes and uncertainty versus responding. We hear that a lot. And then the pandemic comes along and everyone feels, we all feel we have legitimate reasons and true reasons external of us that we can't control to feel a different way. But I've heard you say before that our thoughts can make us sick and that always sticks with me.
Like whenever I think of you saying that, that always sticks with me. What are some of the challenging thoughts that we've all developed in the last 12 months that you think are affecting how we feel? First of all, every time we have a thought, we make a chemical. And if you have an unlimited thought, you will feel unlimited.
And if you have a self-depreciating thought, you'll feel unworthy. And your brain instantaneously fires circuits that signal another part of the brain to release peptides or chemical messengers that signal hormonal centers. And when we get that arousal from the thought that we think, those thoughts sometimes weaken the response, weakens the physical body. So it turns out that the emotions that are created from the thoughts are the signaling mechanisms of the body.
Thoughts are the language of the brain and feelings are the language of the body. And how we think and how we feel creates our state of being. So it turns out that the thoughts based in the stress hormones, based in survival, those are the thoughts that begin to push the genetic buttons that create disease. In other words, a person wakes up in the morning and the brain is a record of the past.
The first thing they do when they wake up in the morning is they start thinking about their problems. And those problems are memories that are etched in the brain, that are connected to certain people, certain objects, certain things at certain times and places. So if you believe that your thoughts have something to do with your destiny, the moment you think about your problems, you're thinking in the past, right? Now, every one of those problems has an emotion associated with them because we've experienced them.
So the moment you remember your problems, now you feel unhappy. Now you feel anxious. Now you feel fear. So the moment we feel those emotions, it takes a thought and a feeling, a memory or an image and emotion, a stimulus and a response.
And we start conditioning the body emotionally into the past. Now, the body is so objective that it doesn't know the difference between the real life experience that's creating that emotion and the emotion that person's fabricating by thought alone. The body's believing it's in that environmental condition. So if the environment signals the gene, and that's the truth, and the end product of an experience in the environment is an emotion, we're signaling the same genes and genes make proteins.
And if you keep signaling the same genes, you start down-regulating the gene to make cheaper proteins and the body begins to break down. Now, that's an unconscious process. So what goes along with that is the moment the person feels that emotion of unhappiness or whatever it is, the brain checks in with the body and says, yeah, you're feeling pretty miserable. You're suffering.
And we tend to generate more thoughts equal to the feeling that we have. And so then we get caught in this loop of thinking and feeling. So if we can't think greater than how we feel, or our feelings have become the means of thinking, then we're thinking in the past, right? And so we call that the familiar past.
And then a person gets going in the day and they start thinking, oh, I got to see this person. I got to go to that meeting. I hate doing this. And now they get in their routine.
And a habit is a redundant set of automatic, unconscious thoughts, behaviors, and emotions that's acquired through repetition. A habit is when you've done something so many times that the body now knows how to do it better than the mind. So now the person running through the same routine every single day is on autopilot and their body's now dragging them into a predictable future based on what they did in the past and they've lost their free will to a set of programs, right? So now you have the familiar past and you have the predictable future, those are knowns.
So the only place then reasonably where the unknown exists is the sweet spot of the generous present moment. That is when the body and mind are free from those conditions. So along with those emotions that influence the same thoughts, people start becoming more judgmental. They start becoming more impatient.
They start becoming more entitled. They start getting more afraid, more anxious, more depressed. And now the body is literally being depleted of energy because it's believing that it's living in an emergency situation and in emergency, you tap all the body's resources for some threat, whether it's real or imagined. And so then when you're releasing all of these chemicals, we are literally drawing the body's life force and turning it into chemistry.
And so for the short term, that's cool. But the arousal that's created from those stress hormones is a rush of energy. And so then people use the problems and the conditions in their life to reaffirm their conditioning or their addiction to that emotion. And in a sense, they become addicted to the life they don't even like.
And this is why change is so hard. So then when a person makes up their mind to change and they say, okay, I'm not going to say I can't, The body has this sooner or later. The body is trained to a new mind. And when that happens, there's a liberation of energy.
The body goes from particle to wave, from matter to energy. And there goes that emotion, literally liberated from body as energy. So the person who has the strong emotion to some circumstance in their life and they're working and lowering the volume of that emotion, the more they lower the volume of that emotion, the more they're going to take their attention off that person and problem, and they're going to take their power back. There's going to be a break in their attention from that circumstance.
And now they build their own field. And now there's energy to heal. Now, there's energy to create a new life. Now there's energy for the mystical moment because they've overcome their old personality self.
So I think, you know, it's not like thinking positively. That's not the message. It's overcoming, overcoming, overcoming, overcoming until we become somebody else. And when that occurs and the person starts thinking differently and they start acting differently, and they start feeling differently, they're a new personality.
And they start seeing those synchronicities and serendipities. Now, crossing that river of change, the creative process now gets exciting because what thoughts do you want to fire and wire in your brain? What kind of attention and intention do you want to place so that that becomes the loudest voice in your head? And if you keep practicing it, the hardware becomes a software program and it'll say, Jay, you can do anything.
Jay, you live in no time and accomplish everything. Jay, you're unlimited. You just got to hang with it on the other side of this is greatness. Whatever you want to program in there, you get to program in there.
If you sat down and say, how am I going to be with my wife, my husband, my partner? How am I going to be with my kids? How am I going to be at work with my coworkers? How am I going to be in traffic?
And you close your eyes and you begin to rehearse in your mind. If you're truly present, the brain does not know the difference between the real life experience and what you're imagining. So now the brain goes from a record of the past to a map to the future. Now you're installing the hardware.
Keep practicing it. It becomes automatic. It becomes easier. Now it's a software program.
You may just start behaving differently. And then if you said, well, listen, I'm not going to wait for my healing to feel gratitude. I'm not going to wait for my new relationship to feel love. I'm going to actually teach my body emotionally what that future feels like before it happens.
Now, this is a big turnaround for a lot of people because we're so reliant on the outer world to change our inner world, right? Waiting is not creating, I mean, period. And when people are, they could have the greatest intentions in the world, but if they don't combine that with an elevated emotion, there's no signal because the elevated emotion is a carrier. It's the energy that carries the thought.
So then when we're in separation, in lack, waiting for our wealth to feel abundance, we're basically living our whole life in pain, right? So then if you reason this and a person can get up from their meditation and they literally feel differently and they're feeling the emotions of their future before it happens, this is turning the whole process around. They can't be looking for it. Why would they be looking for it if they felt like it, it already happened.
Now there's no separation. Now this is when those serendipities and coincidences and opportunities begin to show up in people's lives. So it's work, but then when they start seeing the experience in their life, all of a sudden they start believing they're more of a creator of their life and less of the victim of their life. Yes, absolutely.
So many parts of that I want to unpack with you, but what a beautiful answer to, you know, our reflection on the last 12 months and what we're creating for ourselves. There were parts of it that I wanted to comment on. One was the idea that you mentioned around being recognizing that the unknown is actually the place of growth. And I think there's so much beauty in that.
What you were saying about meditation. I remember always being trained that we think that getting distracted is taking us away from meditation when actually the awareness that you are distracted is meditation. Right. The problem is the thought that comes after, like, I can't meditate.
It's too hard. No. On the other side of that thought is your healing. So I say to people when they come to our workshops, oh, I'm going to take you way further than where you normally stop.
Yeah, because you only have two choices. You're gonna let your energy drop and suffer and you'll get into the time and my body and when's this going to end? And I'm hungry. And those are all primal drives.
Or you're gonna apply a formula. And in the unknown, you learn how to be comfortable in the unknown. And when people, this is so funny because you stretch a person outside of the known and it's not scary. Nothing happened to them.
And all of a sudden they relax more into the present moment. They're not thinking about what's going to happen tomorrow. They're not going to think about what happened yesterday. Now we watch 1500 people just by the end of an event, just totally present.
It's completely different people. And where you place your attention is where you place your energy. There's energy for them to heal. They have energy there.
They can execute. So it's something that's hard to, you can only talk around. You know, you have to experience it. It's like, how do you explain a mango to somebody?
What does it taste like? You got to experience it. So, so, but the cool thing about it, I think, you know, of course, speaking from my present state of ignorance, but I've been watching, you know, closely, you know, you can't tell me any longer that you're too sick to do this work. I have seen in the last couple of years, blind people seeing deaf people, hearing people with strokes that were paralyzed, moving their limbs, people with Parkinson's disease that had tremors or paralysis moving MS, lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, rare genetic disorders, tumors.
There it is. Then it's gone. You can't tell me you're too sick to do this work. I mean, of course, people come up against themselves.
And when they come up against themselves, those sick people came up against their fear, like you're going to die in three months. And they had every reason to not do the work. But they showed up in spite of their fear and they overcame their fear a little bit more. There were people that had self-doubt and their condition was getting worse and their family was worried about them.
They could have doubted and said, I give up, but they showed up for themselves again and they overcame their doubt a little bit more. There were days that they were really feeling sick and their body was really failing and they could have said, I'm too sick to do this meditation. They did it sometimes two or three times a day because nothing else was working. And they overcame their body.
They could have said, I don't have enough time. I got kids. I got obligations. I got a job.
They showed and made the time to do it. And that was the overcoming process. You can't, you can't tell me that you're too out of shape. You can't tell me, you know, you're too old.
We have elders in this work. I can show you brain scans that are so elegant and so beautiful. And the arousal that they're having is ecstasy. It's coherence in the brain.
So you can't even tell me that you never meditated before because husbands who get dragged to our events by wives who are sitting there going, who is this guy? And they're listening to the science and it makes sense. And it comes down to the practical. They're just saying, I don't know what, just tell me what they follow the exact formula.
Someone who's been meditating for 40 years doing the same thing. That's the one. That's the get out of that same habit. Not to say that that's a bad thing, but when it comes time to connecting, I fully agree with you.
I mean, I talk about this. I've been fortunate enough to meditate for consistently for like 16 years now. And I started when I was 18 years old and it's been part of my daily practice. But I realized probably, probably halfway into that, which was too late.
Like I said, I wish I realized it earlier, but it probably took me eight years to realize I shouldn't have ever been trying to recreate the last meditation. Right. Like you get into that habit with any good habit. You get into the habit of like, I want to meditate like I did yesterday.
I want to do this. Like I did yesterday. I want the workout that I had last week. I want the body that I had last year.
And we do that to ourselves and that actually traps us from a new, fresh, incredible experience. It turns out that repetition and predictability are impossible in the quantum. If you're truly evolving the experience, the experience should be an extension of the last one. Right.
So I always just go at it a different way if I could. I always just try to mix it up. Right. And it's usually better that way.
But tell us about how do we, you mentioned something before, which was around, you know, as soon as you're thinking about your problems, you're thinking about the past, right? How do you think about a problem effectively? Let's talk about that because I feel everyone feels their life is full of problems. How do you process a problem productively, effectively through thoughts?
Yeah. Great, great question. Again, I a lot of reasons, and one of the common reasons is they want to get healthy because they're dealing with a very serious health condition. And I would say the same thing to them.
Stop wanting to be healthy. Learn the formula on how to get healthy. Learn the formula on how to heal, and the healing will be the side effect of it. If you're obsessing about, why am I not healed, you're still the old person.
You could become that person every day, right? Turns out that when you sit down, and the people that we interview that have had significant changes, when it's no longer about their health, but they are out of the bleachers and they're on the playing field, and they are coming up against the belief, like one lady said, God, I always thought that this work really worked. These concepts are the truth, but I never believed it worked for me. And I was in a car accident and in a wheelchair, and then she made the decision that she was going to overcome that belief.
Now, it was no longer about her healing. It was about overcoming the belief. So she overcame the belief, and it showed up every day for herself. When you believe in yourself, you believe in possibilities.
When you believe in possibilities, you've got to believe in yourself. You don't show up for yourself. You don't believe in it. And that's why people don't do the work.
I mean, if you believe that your thoughts create a reality, you would show up every day and create. And so a lot of people believe in the past more than they believe in their future. A lot of people fall in love or more in love with their past or romance their past instead of romance their future or love their future. It's that simple.
So the initiation process of life is always going to be there. You're always going to be challenged. If you want to be a master, well, then you better learn how to heal someone else, and you're going to fail a lot of times. And if you think that you're a failure, then you'll quit.
But if you feel like you're just getting quite dinged yet and you show up again to just ding it, and you keep evolving your experience and go deeper, how much more can I open my heart, how much more can I surrender into this infinite field, how much more can I become, can I walk as it with my eyes open. People do meditations, and they have great meditations, me included. And then you get up, you open your eyes, and you're back in the program. And people want to know why they haven't healed.
And we have testimonies of people, they're speaking the truth. They said, my MS, my rheumatoid, and my lupus never went away. And I had great meditations. I felt better.
And then I realized with my eyes open, I was still that person. And now, next level, they're in the game of catching themselves, or catching how they speak, or watching how they think. They're not letting their body fall into the same emotional state that put them in the same past experience that the body's believing. Now, this is the great part, and when a person finally breaks through from the chains, and there's a different consciousness, a freedom that happens, they look back at the past.
They don't want to change one thing, and their past has brought them to that present moment. That's the past no longer existing. That's the freedom. So, is it worth the effort?
Yeah, it's no longer about healing. It's no longer about abundance. It's about who you're becoming, right? That's what it's about, right?
I love that emphasis on trial and error. Because again, just like when we were talking through some of your earlier answers around becoming comfortable in the unknown, it's that same alignment again. It's like, what we're trying to avoid is the trial and error. What people come to you for is, I want a definitive answer.
I want the conclusion. I want the path. I want the decision, the one thing that's going to... I would never tell anybody what to do.
I believe in free will. I would never tell anybody what to believe, like politically or socially or whatever. I want to provide them the tools and give them the free will to create life however they want and believe whatever they want. That's totally cool with me.
So, those people then that want to be healed and they live in fear, that fear has to be addressed. I mean, and it's not easy because it's hardwired deep in the limbic brain. It's just a safety net. It's a mechanism.
So then, imagine being in the unknown. The instinct in the unknown is it's a scary place. Wow, imagine not having a body. And we practice lingering without a body in an infinite space and without a name, without a face, without a culture, without a job, without a social security number, without a disease, without a diet, just as an awareness.
You practice that. You're going to be comfortable in the unknown. You're going to relax more into it. That's going against thousands of years of programming.
And the people who actually overcome their fear and they trade it for gratitude, their immune system gets stronger. Their genes upregulate. I mean, there's just a host of... Everything changes.
The brain changes. Their heart rate variability. They feel differently. And it's being measured.
And some of these people, we're measuring this now in our events with reputable scientists and universities. They're shocked at what they're witnessing on a cellular level, on a brain level, on a heart level. They cannot believe the capacity of the body. I just got an email today of one of our scientists said, I ran this three times.
The virus that we exposed the cell to in advanced meditators does not enter the cell. It's outside the cell. The virus in novice meditators, some of it's in the cell, some of it's outside. Controls all the viruses in the cell.
There's an immunity. So when a person's less reactionary to their environment, there's less of a response that weakens them. They're less of a victim to their environment. Then they're less of a victim to their environment.
Large scale, small scale. The body has a greater immunity to whatever it is. And that's the truth. That is the truth.
We're measuring that. So you never know the outcome when a person really catches that thought that leads to the same choice that leads to the same behavior that creates the same experience that produces the same emotion, that discomfort, that unpredictability, that uncertainty. That's a side effect of leaving the known. That's what change is about and learning how to be comfortable in it.
Instead of just white-knuckling it, go, oh, I have some tools to self-regulate. I'm in fear. Oh, excuse me. And you excuse yourself and you change that.
And then you're there. And then here comes the fear again. Excuse me. And I always say, if not now, when?
Now is the new later. Like, don't wait. And so a person who's no longer about healing their disease, it's about overcoming their fear. Their attention is off their disease.
And their identity is changing because they're not identifying with it anymore. Now they're looking at something right in the face. And now once they're engaged, they're showing up every day, just like a workout. There's pain involved, but you move through it a little bit more and the volume is lowered.
And their response to the people and circumstances are different. And then they know they're changing because people say to them, I just saw this just yesterday, people say to them, something about you is different. What is it? Did you get work done?
Are you on a new medication? Because their memory of them is different. They're out of phase. We don't see things how they are.
We see things how we are. So we fill in reality based on memory. And all of a sudden, the person's out of phase. They're not remembering them that way.
They're not that, they're in the unknown. And it's obvious. And then all of a sudden, people get raises and they get all these great things going on. Why?
Because they're leading by example. It's not what they're saying. It's who they are. And they're less responsive and they have more patience.
And they're practicing being in their heart. And when they're in their heart, they're more patient, they're more kind, they're more loving, they're more giving. And you can't create a future without putting your heart into it. And if your heart, if you're throwing your heart into your future, it better be activated and coherent.
And so we measure that stuff because it becomes a science. And that is the language of mysticism now. Why is our memory for pain stronger than our memory of a success or a joy? Because it sounds like what you said, one thing that really hit me and I love that was the idea of remembering, forgetting, remembering, forgetting.
And so often we have a positive, powerful experience, but sometimes we just discount it as irrelevant. And then you have a negative experience and we hold on to it. And I find that in all of this, that memory is exactly it. That you said that wisdom is, when you've kind of gone down that process so far down the line where now your memory is stronger than forgetting, we forget the powerful experiences.
We forget the moments where we relieve things. So why is that and what do you do about it? Well, I'll answer it on two levels, Jay. Thanks for the question.
I really think that when the survival gene is activated, preservation is the key. So we could have 10 things that happen really great in our lives. You have a family member or somebody you know that does this. You have 10 really great things happen and one thing bad.
And they focus on that bad thing. Why? Because the survival gene is activated. They want to make sure it doesn't happen again.
So This is a dramatic change in their inner state. And with that experience comes a very lucid picture, a very profound insight, a download of information. That's the moment then the body many times rewrites the biological program. Energy is informing matter, and the autonomic nervous system is regulating.
It's in high order. And remember, disease is autonomic dysregulation. Now it's getting into a very, very high frequency of order, and it's sending very coherent information to the cells and tissues, sending energy to the cells and tissues, and cells begin to emit more coherent light and information. And then there's the disease, and there it's not.
Listen, I've seen it too many times. A person said, we had a guy in Cancun in our last event that was a veteran that was became in a wheelchair. Both his knees blown out. He had broken his back.
He was extreme pain on the bottom of his feet. He couldn't walk. He was suicidal. He had post-traumatic stress disorder, tried everything.
first walking meditation, he's out there lumbering around on two crutches. Next day, he's on one crutch. In the evening of the final meditation, I swear, he is running down the beach without his crutches, and the volunteers that usually help people with a handicap are chasing him, and he's running the other way. He hit gold.
There's no pain in his feet, no limitation in his body. He got an upgrade. Now that arousal, that experience, he'll never forget. That's a new one.
So I think that a lot of people, you know, we get conditioned, like, oh wow, success. But sooner or later, you're going to be like, when the novelty wears off, you're like, yeah, that's not what I meant either. But here's the cool part. The cool part is like when you hit pay dirt like that, when you connect, and you connect to the field, and you connect to the divine, whatever you want to call it, when your consciousness merges with a greater consciousness and that arousal creates ecstasy, bliss, oneness, whatever you want to call that, you realize that it never came from anything out there.
It didn't come from the wardrobe or the facelift, the sports car, whatever. It came from within you. And so you stop looking out there for it, and now the love affair begins, and you never want to miss a date because it's just too good. So that memory then, that is what I'm after, because when you have those transcendental moments and you understand this, the experience of that transcendental moment lays down new circuitry in the brain.
That's what experience does. And the experience produces a feeling, but it's not chemical. It's electric, and it's orderly, and every cell of your body is jiggling in an order. And you're aroused and you're awakened, right?
You have to admit when that occurs, your spectrum of reality is going to broaden. Some conditioning, some illusion, some belief about a white guy with a beard keeping track of if you did something right or wrong and you failed, you let God down. That's not how it is. Something is removed, and you start seeing reality as it is.
And all of a sudden, you start seeing the part that we edit out for survival. Now you start seeing patterns and lights and information that are transcendent of three-dimensional reality. And your spectrum of why? Because your brain had the experience and the circuitry is there, and now your experience of the world changes.
You get an upgrade to the VR set, to the virtual reality set. Oh, you get the upgrade. You got 2.0, and now it looks different. Everything looks different.
Everybody looks different. The world, you're seeing beauty more. And there's more wholism and more connection and sounds and words and music and sense and sight and light is all working together. I mean, that's the blessing of an awakening, right?
That's where we're going. What are the things that disturb or disconnect our awakening and connection to the divine? What are those, that source or that power, that consciousness that you're speaking about? What are the things that then disturb or disconnect us from that once we become connected?
Because I'm sure many people feel connected. They get it. They get a breakthrough. But then, ah, yeah, we kind of fall back.
Well, this is a great question also. I mean, wow. I think a lot of times when people, when they hit that point, they try to reproduce it the same way, as we talked about, and you can't. You can't do it the same way because that's redundancy.
But also, many times, we have the experience and we start to try. And because trying is matter trying to change matter. And so we're forcing, we're controlling, we're predicting. And when we do that, then of course we're in separation and we're waiting for the event to happen to feel the emotion.
I've done that long enough, and you actually have to lay down the very thing we used our whole life to get what we want for something greater to occur, and it takes practice of surrender, right? So that's one element. I also think that our response is emotionally. Let's just say that a person gets connected to the future, connected to the energy of their future.
They feel it. It's really great. And then they start the day and then two hours later, they're feeling something else because some person or some circumstance altered their state. Well, they just disconnected from the energy of the future, and now they're back to the energy of the past.
Don't expect anything to change in your life because it doesn't work that way. So then, then when they get back to that old self again, then they say, What's wrong with me? I failed. They didn't do it right.
No, that's all the program. You show up again and you go after it again. So familiar feelings cause us to no longer see through the lens of the future. We're seeing through the lens of the past.
And we color reality that way. So I think familiar emotions get in the way as well. And then, of course, there's always belief. And a belief is just a thought you keep thinking over and over again until you're hardwired in your brain.
And all beliefs are based on past experience. A person has an experience, the stronger the emotion they have from that circumstance, the more they pay attention to the cause and the brain freezes the frame, takes a snapshot, and it's called the memory. The moment they draw a conclusion about that experience, they'll think neurologically within those circuits, and they'll feel chemically within the boundaries of emotion. Thinking and feeling, thinking and feeling, belief becomes an unconscious or subconscious state of being.
They don't, most people don't even know they have beliefs about things, about God, about relationships, about money, because it's not a conscious thing. It's a subconscious thing. So in order to change the belief or perception about yourself and your life, you've got to go all in. It's not like you go 50% in.
You've got to go all in. You've got to make a decision with such firm intention that the amplitude of that decision carries a level of energy that causes the body to respond to the mind, that the choice that you make becomes a moment in time you'll never forget. And you would say, I remember the moment and made up my mind to change. And the stronger the emotion you feel, the more you'll pay attention to the decision.
And that's a huge stone you drop in the quantum field, big splash, big waves. And in essence, we're giving the body a taste emotionally of the future. We're aligning to a new future. Now, how many times do you have to do that?
I don't know, but I've done it over and over again. So it becomes uncompromising. And people say, I remember when I made up my mind to change. I remember I made up my mind to heal.
I remember the moment I can tell you where I was, who I was with, what time of day it was. It wasn't like 9-11, something outer world changing your inner world. Your inner world is changing your inner world, which is ultimately going to change your outer world. So, I mean, people say, well, I believe God lives within me.
The divine lives within me. Okay, you sit them down to do a meditation. 10 minutes goes by and they're hungry and they quit. If you know the divine lives within you, you would not.
You would be like, I'm here. And you're going to go a little deeper, a little further. You're going to get past your hunger and get past your pain. You're going to go a little further because you want to know, right?
If you knew it was there, so that's a belief that you're not aware of, right? So we all have it. I face them every day. So people have beliefs that like, that the divine has, has an opinion about them.
It's, it would never, it's impossible to judge you with divine itself. It can't do that. So as we start having these experiences, I think then our paradigm shifts many times, at least for me. I mean, I can't tell you how many times I've had a transcendental moment, come back to Joe Dispenza, and look at, looked out in this world and I said, I got this all wrong.
This is not about abstaining from life. Who's the opposite? It's about going all in and really engaging and really living and really experiencing and tasting and smelling and eating and loving. And we're here for that.
We're here for all of that. So you create the experience. And then when it gets predictable or it gets boring, let's change it up. Let's create another one.
And then how far can you go with that? It just goes on. So I think there's, I think really belief is the other thing that's a blind spot that we have Open their heart to others because they haven't even opened their heart to themselves. They haven't been through that process of...
Sitting long enough to let the heart... I always say to people, when is the last time you sat with your heart and just worked with it? Like, so that it's not contracted and afraid and protected. It takes practice to do that.
And so, we work with people in letting them... We give them numerous opportunities to practice this over and over and over again. And sooner or later, pedal by pedal, it starts to bloom. And all of a sudden, there's an authentic smile on their face.
And once energy meets the heart, it goes right to the brain. We have... We did this study where we hooked up an electrocardiogram to an electroencephalogram. And an electroencephalogram is a brain mapping machine.
So, we measure 19 or 26 different compartments, and we're looking to see all different kind of activity in the brain. But we measured the heart along with it. And when the heart starts beating coherently in a sense of order, like taking a big sheet, Jay, and going like that. The heart sends a wave right up to the brain.
And the brain goes into these beautiful states of alpha. The heart is telling the brain, it's safe to create again. It's safe to imagine. It's safe to dream of a new future.
And there's the stroke volume of the heart in order. And then you see these two or three seconds of beautiful coherent alpha. The brain is in that creative state. And there's a pause, and it happens again.
And it's beauty. It's a symphony. If you don't have that mechanism, you can have all the intention in the world, but there's no carrier wave. I mean, when people, when they make energy reach their heart, there's an external field that's created.
It's magnetic. It's measurable. And that energy is frequency. And if that frequency is coherent, it can carry the intent or thought on a coherent plane of that future.
The energy of suffering cannot carry the thought of health or wealth. It's not consistent with it. It carries a different set of thoughts. So then, the training then is getting people into those heart states because once they start trading that fear or that pain or that frustration or trying or whatever, forcing, you know, control for gratitude, and they just let all that go.
And I say to them, listen, if you can't feel gratitude, if you can't feel love, I just want to know what you've been practicing feeling every day because that feeling that you're practicing is what you're always feeling. Now, let's practice feeling something else in the beginning. It's not going to be easy, but you've got to keep following the formula, keep doing it, keep doing it, keep doing it. Well, when they start feeling gratitude, it's very interesting because the emotional signature of gratitude is that something wonderful has just happened to you.
Something favorable is happening to you, right? So you've just received something or you're receiving something, you say thank you. So gratitude is the ultimate state of receiving emotionally. So when you move into a state of gratitude and you open your heart, you will accept, believe and surrender to the thoughts equal to that emotional state and you'll program your autonomic nervous system into a different destiny.
You could say, I'm healthy, I'm healthy, I'm healthy, I'm wealthy, I'm wealthy, I'm wealthy, I'm wealthy, I'm free, I'm free, I'm free. And your body is conditioned in the misery and saying, no, you're not. And that thought stops right at the brainstem. It never makes it to the body because the body is on a different program.
So then, while the person starts trading that and they start opening their heart, well, their immune system gets stronger by 50%. 50% in three days, they start making immunoglobulins. Their body's natural defense against viruses and bacteria is 50%. Not a little bit, a lot.
That's one study. And so, trading that, telling the body it's in the environment where it already happens. And so that's when the miracles start happening. That's when people say, I'm not doing anything.
Well, of course, you're not. You don't have to. So then, West Point about this because it's so important that people understand that most people are creating matter to matter. So the more you live by the hormones of stress, the more altered you are inside of you, the rush of those adrenal chemicals narrows your focus.
The senses are heightened. We become materialists. And now, all of our attention is on our bodies and on our environment and on time. And now, we're lost in the VR machine of three-dimensional reality.
Everything appears as separate. So I'm here and you're there and there's space and time between us. And then, there's me here and there's my dreams. I place them way out there in the future.
Why do I place them out there? Because I'm estimating how much I have to work to get that house, to get that car, how much I have to save, how much overtime I have to work, what things do I have to do, how do I have to cheat, rob, steal, lie, whatever I have to do to get it. Right? That's matter trying to change matter.
And so, when it doesn't happen, we feel more separation. We try harder, we force, we pray, we control, all that stuff. So then, creating from the field instead of from matter means that you have to take all of your attention off your body, all of your attention off all the people in your life, all your attention off all the objects and things, all the places and even time itself and become nobody, no one, no thing, nowhere, no time. And if you're not any of those things, what are you?
You're consciousness. And now, you are liberated from the rules of three-dimensional reality where everything takes time and energy to get what you want. Now, when we create from the field instead of from matter, because it's not matter that's emitting the field, it's actually the field that's creating matter. Change the field, you change matter.
Right? Now, this is not something you take one bite of and you get it. It's something you've got to really practice. So then, by doing this properly with a coherent brain and a coherent heart, you've got a Wi-Fi signal.
And if you're creating from the field instead of from matter, you no longer have to go anywhere to get what you want. If you were connected to that invisible field of energy called the unified field, the quantum field, which connects everything physical and material, and you're aware of it and you're connected to it, you're connected to the source. Why would you... if you were a source, why would you go get anything?
You'd draw it to you. So the thought, coherent brain, is the intent. It's the electrical charge. The elevated emotion, the heart, has a magnetic signature.
It's the magnetic charge. The thought is sending the signal out. It's the directive. The feeling is drawing the event back.
Create that combination and now you're going to collapse space and time and you're going to draw those synchronicities to you. Now, I'm here in this lifetime, I am clear that I want to master that. I want to get good at that. Because I want...
I did the other stuff. You can get success all the other way, but you're too tired. It takes too much energy. I would rather synchronize my energy to synchronicities in my life and be mystified by, wow, this stuff really works.
And every synchronicity that happens that catches you off guard and brings you joy and awe and wonder, you're going to use that energy to create the next one. And it gets weird. I've had some crazy synchronicities in the last three days. I'm laughing while I'm driving going, oh my God, this life is so incredibly mysterious.
What an amazing ride this is. That's a different perspective when you're not synchronizing. You ask the person, was it worth it? You showed up every day.
Was it worth it? Absolutely. So when it starts happening and you start seeing those, you see feedback in your world. You're going to pay attention to what you did and you're going to do it again.
And you're going to be like, okay, I've done this, I've done this, I've done this. People who heal themselves have very little difficulty healing someone else. It's just the next step. And then with COVID and we couldn't do the healings in our events, we had students just get together and say, if we're in the quantum, okay, and everything's connected, do I really need to be there?
I just need a target. Give me the face. Give me the coordinate. Love transcends space and time.
Okay, well, give me that coordinate. I'll love that person in the life. And these people do it. And we have reputable universities now that are studying this phenomena.
And they're saying, they're telling me, these are universities that have some of the most advanced laboratories. This is, I'm talking to Nobel Prize researchers. They want to change the conversation in medicine. And today I got a video of somebody being healed remotely.
And she's laying there. Her cancer went from really bad to nothing. And she videotapes herself when the group works on her. She's laying there and her body is moving all over that floor.
It's twisting and turning. There's energy manipulating that body. They're changing the pattern in the field. They don't need, the body is the illusion.
The tumor is the illusion. That's the hologram. Change the pattern in the field. You change the projections in three-dimensional reality.
Our person who's healed themselves and been in a circle where they healed someone else. And then when you do that, what's next? I don't know. You won't know until you have that experience.
I've sat in on the groups where they get together In this present state of ignorance, as you said, what do you believe is the purpose of life overall? To figure out the purpose of life. Okay. No, I mean, I really think it's...
I think the mathematics that I've looked at says there's infinite experiences to have. You will never know the end. So then, if you study any religion, I mean, I've looked at a lot of them. This concept of eternity, that the soul is going to be around for eternity, that's a long time.
And that means you've got to be okay with you for a very long time. Yeah. So, I think it's the creation of more experiences, and I think we came from source, from singularity, from oneness. And we have descended down into density, a fooled by our senses into separation.
And every single being has a spark of oneness of the divine within them. And we got so separate that we now have our own free will to answer the question, is there more? Because if you're oneness, it's kind of boring after a while. Like, is there anything else?
Well, the moment you ask if there's anything else, you're no longer oneness. You're something other than oneness, right? And you're a different consciousness, separate from oneness. So I think then, we live life, and then when we can predict the feeling of everything that can happen in our life, and it's boring, and we're not impressed by anyone or anything, we ask the same question.
Is there more? And that's when the soul goes, all right, well, it's been how many lifetimes you've been doing this? Okay, there's an awakening. And we ask that question, and then all of a sudden, we start getting information in books and stuff, and meet people, and it gets exciting.
And it's how the universe works. And so we climb out of this, and I just think there's so many incredible experiences that are left in the unknown that we get to have. And then, of course, when the journey's over and you've evolved to that point, then you take that wisdom, and you say, here's what I learned. And it was scary down there.
Like, boy, I tell a great story. And then you hang out there and you go, is there anything else besides that? Here we go again. It just never ends.
I don't know, that's my theory. That's a great answer. I loved it. I resonate deeply with many parts of that answer.
I think it's a really beautifully put way of thinking about it and bringing in that, like I said at the beginning, bringing in that spiritual, that science and the experience of what it would actually look like to live for eternity. So it's a beautiful, beautiful answer. Dr. Joe, we end every episode with a final five.
These are the fast five questions where the answers have to be one word to one sentence maximum. Okay. So this is... I don't remember this from last time, so this is good.
Yeah, and I'll probably break my rule with you because you give phenomenal answers. No, I'll do my best. I'll try my best as well. Me too.
I'll try my best as well. Okay, so Dr. Joe, these are your final five. The first question is, what is the best advice you've ever received?
How to show up for yourself. What's the worst advice you've ever received? Believe what people tell you. What's something that you've said in the past that you were confident about it then, but now upon reflection, you're like, oh, actually, I've changed my mind about that.
Oh, that it takes a long time to create reality. I'm going to ask you to expand on that because I like that answer. I want to know more. That's fascinating.
Well, I think just like anything else, you learn how to snowboard. You go through that learning curve. You learn how to ride a bike. You go through that learning curve.
I used to think that creation was hard. I just thought it took a lot of energy and it took a lot of sacrifice and it had work for it. And God, even my definition of surrender today is very different than it was just three months ago because I'm always doing it. And so I think that it doesn't have to be that way.
I just think that it could be any way you want. And I'm working on that, changing that belief. Love that. Beautiful answer.
Thank you for sharing. Question number four, what's one thing that you think people value, but you don't? Oh, other people's opinions. If I really cared what people thought, I would have stopped this a long time ago.
Now it's so great because I have so many researchers and physicians and everybody. I'm very glad you didn't stop. And we are very happy you didn't stop. I think it's deeply meaningful work.
And the more time we spend together and the more time I hear where you want to take people and what you want people to experience is just beautiful. So thank you for what you do. Thanks. Fifth and final question.
If you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be? Take care of one another. Nice and simple. Yeah.
That's beautiful. I love that. Everyone, Dr. Joe Dispenza, an amazing, amazing interview.
So many fascinating insights. I hope you're going to listen to this one twice. Make sure you go through, make some notes, and you can follow Dr. Joe on Instagram, on Facebook, on YouTube.