EPISODE · Mar 5, 2026 · 54 MIN
Ep. 164: Holly Woodlawn, Andy Warhol, and Chosen Family: Jeff Copeland Tells the Story
from Everything & Anything...and a bit gay Podcast · host Zach Randes-Friedman
Jeff arriving in LA with $1,200 and realizing… no one rents to you without credit or a job “Hollywood was gritty, not glamorous”—the real vibe of the era How Jeff first spotted Holly and was instantly captivated by her presence The very pre-internet way he found her: calling 411 and getting her listed number The bold dinner invite and the start of a friendship that became chosen family Making art while broke: scripts, hustle, and the wild pivot from film idea to book reality Working on Holly’s memoir Low Life and High Heels Jeff’s honesty about the ugly questions people asked about Holly—and why it mattered Holly’s resistance to labels and objectification, and how she navigated gender on her terms Jeff’s TV career journey: PBS, Discovery, science docs, and climbing the ladder The “pinch me” era: Gary Shandling, Carol Burnett, and iconic guest-star orbit moments Returning to Missouri, caregiving, COVID, and the drive to finish a book after 20 drafts Jeff’s takeaway: risk, resilience, and never living with the regret of not trying Get the book: Love You Madly, Holly Woodlawn ✅ Signed copies available at https://feralhouse.com Podcast song by SIXFOOT 5: https://www.sixfoot5prod.com Apple: https://music.apple.com/us/artist/sixfoot-5/1551774977 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/5rHMzoU0G0fLhaBsrQiOOY?si=laSZ5hiKTYubJJyhrzf2JQ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Jeff Copeland came to Los Angeles with $1,200, big dreams, and absolutely no roadmap—and ended up in an unforgettable friendship with Andy Warhol superstar Holly Woodlawn. In this episode of Everything and Anything… and a Bit Gay, Jeff takes us inside a chaotic, hilarious, and surprisingly tender chapter of queer history that became his book, Love You Madly, Holly Woodlawn. We talk about what Hollywood was really like in the late 80s and early 90s (gritty, weird, and wildly alive), how Jeff tracked Holly down the old-school way (hello, 411), and how their friendship turned into a creative partnership—one that led to working on Holly’s memoir Low Life and High Heels. Jeff also opens up about navigating Holly’s alcoholism, the harmful curiosity people aimed at her identity, and what it means to protect someone’s humanity while still telling the truth. And then there’s Jeff’s own career: PBS, Discovery, documentaries, and a surreal behind-the-scenes run that included Gary Shandling and a legendary day with Carol Burnett. This episode is about chosen family, resilience, risk, queer legacy, and the moments—messy and magical—that become priceless.
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Ep. 164: Holly Woodlawn, Andy Warhol, and Chosen Family: Jeff Copeland Tells the Story
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