Ep 221: Joel Wuthnow and Phillip Saunders on China’s PLA ...

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Joel Wuthnow and Phillip Saunders, both of the U.S. National Defense University and authors of China's Quest for Military Supremacy, join the show to discuss the origins, organization, and strategic outlook of China’s military. ▪️ Times • 01:22 Introduction • 01:57 Origins • 06:58 Crisis control • 08:48 PLA structure • 13:05 1960 • 20:17 Horizontal escalation • 24:34 By land or sea • 28:23 American resolve • 30:54 Xi • 36:41 A lack of experience • 44:10 Military diplomacy • 48:17 Reading list • 50:43 Be unpredictable Follow along on Instagram, X @schoolofwarpod, and YouTube @SchoolofWarPodcast Find a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War Substack Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Joel Wuthnow and Phillip Saunders, both of the U.S. National Defense University and authors of China's Quest for Military Supremacy, join the show to discuss the origins, organization, and strategic outlook of China’s...

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