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EPISODE · Dec 5, 2025 · 27 MIN

Are We Measuring the Wrong Things?

from Beat Teacher Burnout! · host Rowena Hicks

In this episode of Beat Teacher Burnout, I’m joined by Chloe Fox, an Alternative Provision Lead whose powerful reflections on belonging and community have resonated with thousands across education. After a viral LinkedIn post about the “real gatekeepers” in schools, Chloe has become a compassionate voice for putting humanity back at the centre of our work.Together, we explore what sits behind the data we’re constantly asked to produce, the relationships, emotional labour and invisible work that truly shape school culture. Chloe opens up about her journey through burnout, losing herself in fear, pressure and perfectionism and the transformation that came when she pressed pause and rebuilt with support.She returns to education with a renewed purpose:to champion belonging, connection and authenticity as the foundations of thriving staff and thriving students.In this conversation, we talk about:How getting caught up in fear, metrics and accountability can disconnect us from our why.The reality of self-destruct patterns like constant availability and hyper-responsibility.What it means to “lose yourself” and how to find your way back.Why vulnerability is the most courageous form of leadership.How imposter syndrome shows up across education for support staff, teachers and leaders.The importance of psychological safety and honest conversations.Why community, belonging and relationships must come before data.Slowing down enough to notice stress responses before they become burnout.Key messageIf staff feel seen, valued, heard and safe, everything else follows: wellbeing, behaviour, learning, teamwork, culture and outcomes.Belonging isn’t a tick box. It’s something we feel.Connect with Chloe:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chloefoxpastoral/Want to find out more about my new course 5 Minutes to Thrive? Go to my website at www.rowenahicks.comFollow me on:1. Instagram: ⁠@rowenaphicks⁠2. Facebook: ⁠Rowena Hicks⁠3. Linked In: ⁠Rowena HicksEmail me: ⁠[email protected]⁠ Visit my website for Books, Journals, Free Community and lots of other interesting stuff: ⁠www.rowenahicks.com

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