EPISODE · Oct 13, 2025 · 1H 14M
Ep15 论语中的礼
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礼在儒家思想中占据着无可撼动的核心地位,但究竟为什么礼如此重要?在本期节目中,我们将聚焦于《论语》3.17,讨论孔子为何似乎坚持维护一项连弟子都觉得过于繁复的祭羊之礼。我们将结合 Richard Wollheim 的论文 "The Sheep and the Ceremony" ,讨论这一片段以及更广泛的礼仪价值,包括: 礼是否具有内在价值 礼能否被视为美好人生不可或缺的组成部分 儒家为何如此重视礼的实践时间轴0:00 Part I -- 聊了聊各自的 religious autobiography25:10 今天主题的前言25:52 Part II -- 《论语》中的礼26:40 儒家认为的礼的价值(工具性与非工具性)The value of rituals for Confucians (instrumental and non-instrumental)30:13 《论语》3.1734:16 孔子是否真的主张保留祭羊之礼? Does Confucius actually maintain that the lamb sacrifice should be preserved?38:20 如果这种礼值得保留,是否需要一个把它视为有意义、有价值的社群? If the ritual is worth preserving, does it require acommunity that sees it as meaningful and valuable?39:50 保留「被掏空」的版本的礼有什么意义?What is the point in preserving the "hollowed out" version of the ritual?41:10 礼的表达价值是否类似于艺术的表达价值?Is the expressive value of ritual analogous to the expressive value of art?53:01 出席葬礼的最终或内在价值 The final or intrinsic value of showing up at a funeral56:00 表达尊重(问候礼)的最终或内在价值 The final or intrinsic value of showing respect (greeting rituals)58:09 表达价值的主观主义与客观主义基础 Subjectivist vs. objectivist bases of expressive value1:06:03 人们倾向于用礼的工具性来加以辩护 The tendency to be drawn to instrumental justifications of ritual1:12:22 结尾的思考:未来对儒家与礼的进一步讨论重点讨论段落子贡欲去告朔之饩羊。子曰:「赐也,尔爱其羊,我爱其礼。」(English version: Analects3.17, Edward Slingerland’stranslation)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Elizabeth AnscombeCharles TaylorAlasdair MacIntyreThe Isaiah House of Southern California(and the Southern California Catholic Worker Movement)Dorothy Day, The Long LonelinessPantheism 泛神论The Ethics of BeliefThe New Atheism Movement 新无神论运动 (whose major representatives include Richard Dawkins)R.M.(“Richard”) HarePascal’s WagerDavid LewisAnalects 12.1 克己复礼为仁Kwong-loi Shun, “Ren 仁 and Li 礼 in the Analects”(强调并尝试改进对“仁”的“定义主义解读”)Richard Wollheim, “The Sheep and the Ceremony,” a chapter in Wollheim’s The Mind and Its DepthsZhuXi 朱熹 (1130—1200)(所提及的传统注释者之一)Xing Bing 邢昺 (932-1010)(另一位被提及的传统注释者)Analects 10.20 君赐食atelic value, atelic activities 非目的性价值、非目的性活动Herbert Fingarette, Confucius—The Secular as Sacredbehaviorism行为主义“volunteerism” vs. “realism”/”objectivism” 「意志主义」与「现实主义/客观主义」 (Wollheim’s terms)The objective list theory of well-being 福祉的客观清单理论The hedonistic theory of well-being 享乐主义的福祉理论Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Emile, or On Education 让-雅克·卢梭,《爱弥儿》特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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