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道可道 This is The Way
by 道可道 This is The Way
中国哲学播客 -- Ep0 有我们中文的自我介绍哟!我们是一档专注于中国哲学的播客节目。由两位哲学教授深度解读经典中国哲学文本,与学者对话,深入探讨哲学话题,适合所有对中国哲学感兴趣的听众。大约隔三四周,周一中午更新!Roughly, lol.小作坊手搓高质量内容,感谢大家耐心等待和支持!中文版可在小宇宙、QQ音乐和内地 Apple Podcasts收听。英文版 “This is the Way: Chinese Philosophy Podcast” , 在 Spotify, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Buzzsprout 都可以收听。爱智慧 ·͜·♡
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Ep37 孔子是一个礼仪天才
本期节目,我们有幸邀请到研究早期中国思想的顶尖学者齐思敏教授(Prof Mark Csikszentmihalyi)*。他的新书Confucius: A New Tradition (Reaktion Books, 2026) 称孔子是一个「礼仪天才」。我们着重讨论了《论语·乡党》关于孔子参与傩礼时怎么穿衣、怎么喝酒,他怎么面对马厩失火,以及历代鬼神观念的变迁的记录。由此我们聊到了一些根本性的哲学问题:礼仪专长包括什么?这种智慧是天生的吗?衣着举止为什么是个道德问题?两千多年来,历代传记与注疏为什么需要不断重塑孔子的形象, 「发明」一个符合自己需要「新的」孔子?*Professor of East Asian Languages and Cultures and Eliaser Chair of International Studies at the University of California, BerkeleyHaihunhou Tomb 海昏侯墓,出土了镜架上现存最早的孔子传记(上方图片即为该镜架,摄于南昌汉代海昏侯国遗址博物馆)时间轴0:00 Part I – 聊了聊Richard和一大家子人的中韩之旅10:21 今日话题的引子:作为礼仪模范的孔子Confucius as ritual exemplar12:34 Part II -- Confucius as a ritual prodigy12:37 嘉宾介绍及其研究:齐思敏论历史中的孔子 Introducing our guest and his work: Mark Csikszentmihalyi on Confucius in history25:34 关于《论语·乡党》28:27 1st passage: 孔子的穿着方式 Confucius's style of dress38:16传统儒家礼仪的严格与灵活The strictness and flexibility of traditional Confucian rituals43:37儒家礼仪表达和促进「敬」的多种方式The many ways that Confucian rituals express and promote respect54:22 2nd passage: 孔子在乡饮酒礼与傩礼中的表现Confucius at drinking events and exorcisms56:44 儒家礼仪基础的历史演变——「事鬼神」与「养德」之辨 Changing historical views on the basis of Confucian rituals -- "spirit work" vs. cultivating virtuous attitudes1:04:09 以传记调和关于历史人物的矛盾叙述Using biographies to reconcile competing accounts of an historical figure1:09:05 对传统儒家而言,「礼仪天才」是否真的可能存在?For traditional Confucians, can there even be "ritual prodigies"?1:17:07 3rd passage: 马厩失火 The barn's on fire!1:20:01 其中隐含的人与动物福祉之别The implicit view about human vs. animal welfare1:23:56 孔子先问人,是在践行礼之恰当吗?Is Confucius practicing ritual propriety by asking about the people first?1:27:26 对嘉宾的结束提问Closing questions for our guest重点讨论段落 First passage: Confucius’s style of dress (Analects 10.6)君子不以绀緅饰。红紫不以为亵服。当暑,袗絺绤,必表而出之。缁衣羔裘,素衣麑裘,黄衣狐裘。亵裘长。短右袂。必有寝衣,长一身有半。狐貉之厚以居。去丧,无所不佩。非帷裳,必杀之。羔裘玄冠不以吊。吉月,必朝服而朝。(Robert Eno’s translation, in The Analects of Confucius, freely available online) Second passage: Confucius at drinking events and exorcisms (Analects 10.10-10.11)乡人饮酒,杖者出,斯出矣。乡人傩,朝服而立于阼阶。(Robert Eno’s translation, The Analects of Confucius) Third passage: The barn’s on fire! (Analects 10.12)厩焚。子退朝,曰:「伤人乎?」不问马。(Robert Eno’s translation, The Analects of Confucius)目前节目持续更新中,某周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Mark Csikszentmihalyi (our guest) 齐思敏(本期嘉宾)Mark Csikszentmihalyi, Confucius: A New TraditionPeople and destinations from Richard’s journey: Yonsei University, Ewha Women’s University, Sogang University, Halla Kim, Shandong Province, Xintai (City) 新泰市, Mount Tai 泰山Youngsun BACK 白永宣Mark Csikszentmihalyi, “Confucius” (Mark’s Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy article on Confucius)Russell T. McCutcheon, The Insider/Outsider Problem in the Study of Religion司马迁, the Shiji 史记 Ezra Pound (1885-1972), 美国诗人,对儒学有浓厚兴趣白虎通义, 汉代文献,成书约公元79年Analects 10.9, 「席不正,不坐」Zhu Xi 朱熹 (1130-1200 CE), Neo-Confucian philosopher who wrote a tremendously influential commentary on the AnalectsAnalects 9.3Analects 7.7Analects 10.13, 描写孔子因病调整礼仪规范Analects 3.17, 「告朔之饩羊」,我们在Episode 15: Ritual in the Analects (January 1, 2025)中聊到Chesterton’s Fence 在不理解某规则存在的理由之前,不要轻易废除它“Leviticus,” 犹太教-基督教《圣经》中详述宗教仪规的篇章a book in the Judeo-Christian Bible that describes the finer points of some religious protocols孔安国 (circa 156 – circa 74 BCE), 汉代传统注疏家皇侃 (488–545), 南朝梁经学家The Liji 礼记Analects 11.12丘(山丘;亦为孔子之名,孔丘)荀子Xunzi, ch. 5 (《非相》)The Spring and Autumn Annals ( 春秋)孟子 Mengzi 7A16, 言舜为善之「明」(「践形」章,描述舜对德行领悟之迅捷)生而知之 (a phrase that appears in multiple classical Confucian passages, 出现在多部儒家经典中,意指有些人天生即对伦理规范、礼之恰当与道有深切的领悟)孔子与马厩失火故事的其他文献来源:《Liji 礼记》、《Kongzi Jiayu 孔子家语》(recently translated by Brian Bruya and Wenwen Li)《创世记》(Genesis),犹太教-基督教《圣经》 Aristotle, De Anima (On the Soul) 《论灵魂》「生命之梯」(ladders of life),又称"存在之大链"(great chains of being)“graded love,” “care with distinctions” (爱有差等)「孔子素王」说:指一种特定叙事,即孔子具备伟大统治者的品质,却终生未获治国之机 “Confucius as uncrowned king,” refers to a particular account of Confucius as someone who had the qualities of a great ruler but never had the opportunity to ruleThe Liu Family, the Liu House of Han汉刘氏(刘氏汉室)特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep36 子非鱼,安知鱼之乐?
庄子站在濠水桥上,看着水里的鱼悠然自得,脱口而出:「这就是鱼的快乐呀!」好友惠子立刻反驳:「你又不是鱼,怎么知道鱼快不快乐?」这场辩论中,有着深邃的哲学追问。本期节目,我们将一同探讨怀疑论、语言哲学与动物心智,并聊聊寻常的「我懂你」背后,那些复杂的心理认知机制。 时间轴0:00 Part I – 聊了聊为什么喜欢这篇 & 本期有很多现挂12:22 今日主题前瞻:我们能知道鱼的快乐吗?13:57 Part II --庄子论「知鱼之乐」14:58 庄子与惠施:一对热爱互怼的挚友20:50 原典:《庄子》濠梁之辩24:00 惠子的追问,最初预设了什么背景知识?What knowledge did Hui Shi's question presuppose in the first place?28:43认知者所处之「位」(position)的重要性 The importance of the position of the knower30:54 语言的使用,预设了共享的意义与相互理解 Using language presupposes shared meanings and mutual understanding34:03 庄子知鱼之乐的两种诠释路径:神秘主义,还是日常经验?Interpretations of Zhuangzi's knowledge of fish happiness: mystical or ordinary44:44庄子为何要采用惠子那种偏重分析的论证模式?Why does Zhuangzi adopt Hui Shi's more analytical mode of argument?54:41怀疑论:我们能否认知他人的内在心智状态?Skepticism about the possibility of knowing the inner states of other minds58:47庄子知鱼之乐的两种诠释路径:直接认知,还是间接认知?Interpretations of Zhuangzi's knowledge of fish happiness: direct or indirect1:07:57 结语 重点讨论段落 濠梁之辩庄子与惠子游于濠梁之上。庄子曰:「倏鱼出游从容,是鱼乐也。」惠子曰:「子非鱼,安知鱼之乐?」庄子曰:「子非我,安知我不知鱼之乐?」惠子曰:「我非子,固不知子矣;子固非鱼也,子之不知鱼之乐全矣。」庄子曰:「请循其本。子曰『汝安知鱼乐』云者,既已知吾知之而问我,我知之濠上也。」(Zhuangzi, chapter 17, “Autumn Floods” [Qiushui 秋水], Paul Kjellberg’s translation with some modifications)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。 其他参考资料Curtis Franks, logician and professor of philosophy at Notre Dame (他在哲学导论课上布置了“濠梁之辩”作为阅读材料)惠子 / 惠施 (庄子的挚友与论辩常客)Mingjia 名家 (先秦「名家」学派,西方学界有时比附为「诡辩派/智者派」 “Sophists”)Hui Shi’s ten theses (惠施十事,即「历物十事”(见于《庄子》最终篇《天下》的记载)Antonin Scalia and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, two late justices of the US Supreme Court who strongly disagreed with one another and yet were good friends 两位已故的美国最高法院大法官。他们政见大相径庭,私底下却是极好的朋友。林希逸 (1193=1281), 《庄子》极具影响力的注疏家In section 36 在其注疏的第36节中,林氏似乎暗示,沟通这一事实本身(或者说真正互相理解的挚友之间的沟通),就已经预设了某种能够知晓他者思想或意图的能力。 郭象 (252-312 CE) 最具影响力的《庄子》传统注疏家In section 431 郭象认为惠施对庄子的认知「已知」的内容是:庄子的认知,从一开始就不依赖于「他必须是一条鱼」。维特根斯坦探讨语言的公共性Ludwig Wittgenstein on the public nature of language游 (wandering — pronounced like “yo?”)Philip J. Ivanhoe (also known as “PJ” Ivanhoe)Cheng Xuanying 成玄英 (fl. 631–655), 《庄子》重要注疏家。Justin引用了其疏文中的第421和427节in this commentaryHarold Roth, Original Tao (该书为《庄子》的神秘主义解读路径辩护)心斋fasting of the mind「天道视角」 “Heavenly perspective” (an interpretive frame for reading the Zhuangzi, discussed in episode one)David Hume, Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion 《自然宗教对话录》Calvin and Hobbes (Bill Watterson创作的经典连环漫画。主角是一个想象力丰富的小男孩,偶尔会冒出一些极端的怀疑论想法。)Elizabeth Anscombe, Intention关于「濠梁之辩」的部分重要著作Ames and Nakajima, Zhuangzi and the Happy Fish, with chapters by Hideki Yukawa, Hans Peter Hoffmann, Chad Hansen, Eske Møllgaard, SHAM Yat Shing, Norman Y. Teng, KUWAKO Toshio, ZHANG Longxi, Takahiro Nakajima, Franklin Perkins, HAN Xiaoqiang, PENG Feng, Hans-Georg Moeller, and Roger AmesMichael Beaney, The Joy of Chinese PhilosophyLea Cantor, “Zhuangzi on ‘happy fish’ and the limits of human knowledge“John R. Williams, “Two Paradigmatic Strategies for Reading Zhuang Zi’s ‘Happy Fish’ Vignette as Philosophy“ 特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。 主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep35 三人行,必有我师焉?
儒家哲学家常指出,正面与反面的榜样在道德教育中扮演着至关重要的角色。但究其根本,正面榜样如何塑造我们,反面榜样又如何帮助我们发现自身的恶习与短板?从孔子的名言「三人行,必有我师焉」聊开去。时间轴0:00 Part I – 聊了聊生活中的榜样13:45 前言:《论语》中的道德榜样14:25 Part II – 对《论语》中的道德榜样探讨 Moral examples in the Analects14:45 原典一:三人行,必有我师焉…18:16 榜样如何引导理论和论证——以音乐与汽车为例 how examples "lead the way" for theory and justification -- analogies to musical examples and car examples28:56 「见贤思齐」的反面是什么?(仅仅是「规避反面榜样」吗?)What is the opposite of"emulating a model"? ("aversion to bad examples"? something more?)37:50 原典二:十室之邑...52:32 原典三:伦理学习的社会强化 social reinforcement of ethical learning55:05 如何破解「无友不如己者」的悖论与难题?Solutions to the problem ("paradox") of the recommendation that people befriend their equals or betters1:00:16 解读《论语·学而》1.8:真正的学习需要社会群体的强化A unified reading of 1.8: proper learning requires social reinforcement重点讨论段落Passage 1: 《论语·述而》7.22子曰:「三人行,必有我师焉。择其善者而从之,其不善者而改之。」(Analects 7.22, Edward Slingerland’s translation)Passage 2: 《论语·公冶长》5.28子曰:「十室之邑,必有忠信如丘者焉,不如丘之好学也。」(Analects 5.28, Edward Slingerland’s translation)Passage 3: 《论语·学而》1.8子曰:「君子不重则不威,学则不固。主忠信。无友不如己者。过,则勿惮改。」(Analects 1.8, Edward Slingerland’s translation. See also Peimin Ni’s translation of 1.8)目前节目持续更新中,周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料David Hume大卫·休谟, Aristotle 亚里士多德, Aquinas阿奎那, Mengzi 孟子 (Mencius) – Richard在开场讨论中提及的那些真正「留下印记」的哲学家David Lewis (a 20th-century philosopher)modal logic (Justin在开场提及的一个极其细分的哲学专业领域)学记, “Record of Learning” or “On Teaching and Learning,” a chapter of the Rites 论述正规教育与教学的篇章,在东亚历史上影响深远(道德)示范主义 / 榜样主义 (Moral) exemplarism – 一种强调道德榜样在道德理论与道德教育中具有重要性或优先性的学说Linda Zagzebski, Exemplarist Moral Theory – 该书对道德示范主义进行了描述与辩护Amy Olberding, Moral Exemplars in the Analects: The Good Person is That – 为《论语》的道德示范主义解读提供了辩护与丰富的例证Confucius, Jesus, Socrates –Zagzebski 扎格泽布斯基列举的道德榜样 (and discussed by Richard in connection with the 1st passage)Richard Kim, “Review of Exemplarist Moral Theory, by Linda Zagzebski”The Office (电视剧, Episode 34开头讨论过)Jonathan Haidt, The Happiness Hypothesis「无处不在」(ubiquity / ubiquitous):指几乎在任何地方都能存在,或在许多场合中都能轻易被发现的状态或特质。《论语·子张》19.22 : 「夫子焉不学?而亦何常师之有?」-- 孔子的「道」并非学自某一位固定的老师,而是从众多正面(或许还有反面?)榜样中吸收拼凑而来忠信 (dutiful and trustworthy): 尽责与信实Xing Bing 邢昺 (932-1010) (宋代经学家,《论语注疏》作者之一)the Rites 礼记 有一节建议旅客进入小村庄时应表示尊重。一些注疏家将其与《论语》5.28章联系起来。《论语·学而》 1.6 :「……泛爱众,而亲仁……」Dai Zhen 戴震 (1724-1777)柏拉图的「洞穴之喻」 Plato’s allegory of the cave《论语·为政》 2.4 :「吾十有五而志于学……」– 孔子的精神自传 (discussed in Episode 5)实:实质、实在。substance, reality固:稳固,在《论语》中有时作为「肤浅/轻浮 superficial」的反义词(如「学则不固」)《论语·子罕》 9.25 : 「主忠信,毋友不如己者」– 同样建议结交至少与自己同等修养的人亚里士多德论“三种友谊”。Aristotle on three types of friendship特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep34 儒家认为,道德应该自己做主,还是听从权威?
遇事自己做主、独立思考——这是我们许多人极为看重的「自主性」。然而在生活的诸多领域,更明智的做法是去信任那些比我们更有学识的人。我们信任医生、科学家、水电工、健身教练,甚至包括哲学家。在本期节目中,我们将探讨儒家哲学中的「道德自主」与「道德遵从」的问题。荀子主张我们要尊奉传统、顺应礼法、听从道德权威。而一些后世儒家担忧,盲从外在权威,可能会使人无法获得真正的道德体悟,从而也就无法成就真正的德性。所以,在道德这件事上,我们是否应该听从圣人和君子的指导呢? 时间轴0:00 Part I -- 引言3:55 本期主题:荀子的道德遵从观及其批评者9:15 Part II -- 儒家伦理中的遵从与自主Deference and Autonomy in Confucian Ethics9:43 儒家道德遵从的历史回顾 Short historical survey of Confucian philosophers on moral deference13:24 First passage: 以「学习手艺」作类比26:36 Second passage: 以「采用现有技术」作类比40:42 荀子的让步:自主性有程度之分,在某些情况下自主性越强越好 Xunzi's concession: autonomy comes in degrees, and in some cases more is better45:01 荀子的历史批评:发自内心的美德,需要更多的自主性 Historical criticism of Xunzi: wholehearted virtue requires more autonomy48:20 支持自主性的儒家阵营:温和派与激进派 Pro-autonomy Confucians: the moderates vs. the radicals52:19 苦练钢琴的启示:基于「遵从」的道德学习有何优势? Hard-won piano skills as an illustration of the advantages of deference-based moral learning56:51 历史争论:为什么我们无法通过普遍的道德遵从而获得真正的德性? The historical argument that we can't acquire virtues through pervasive moral deference59:43 韩非子的回应:放弃内在动机驱动的德性 Another possible response to Xunzi's predicament: just give up on internally motivated virtue (the Han Feizi response)1:01:54 荀子学派的反驳:通过直觉切入伦理学是不可能的 Xunzian objection: the improbability of intuitive points-of-entry into ethics1:10:47 进一步探讨 Some issues for further study重点讨论段落Passage 1: Analogy to learning crafts天下之人,唯各特意哉,然而有所共予也。言味者予易牙,言音者予师旷,言治者予三王。三王既以定法度,制礼乐而传之,有不用而改自作,何以异于变易牙之和,更师旷之律?无三王之法,天下不待亡,国不待死。(《荀子·大略》, chapter 27, lines 698-710, Eric Hutton’s translation)Passage 2: Analogy to adopting pre-existing technology公输不能加于绳[墨],圣人不能加于礼。礼者,众人法而不知,圣人法而知之。(《荀子·法行》, chapter 30, lines 1-4, Eric Hutton’s translation)目前节目持续更新中,周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。 其他参考资料Justin’s short piece on moral deference and “getting it oneself” in Confucian philosophyScranton, Pennsylvania, United StatesThe Office (美剧《办公室》)道德遵从的案例(Cases of moral deference):有时等同于「依赖道德证言(moral testimony)的案例。强烈反对荀子的后世儒家学者:温和支持自主性派: Zhu Xi 朱熹 (1130-1200 CE), Dai Zhen 戴震 (1724-1777)激进支持自主性派: Wang Yangming 王阳明 (1472-1529), other late-Ming Confucians 其他自视为王学传人的晚明儒家学者Gordan Ramsay Jacques Pépin 两位21世纪的著名主厨The Karate Kid (《龙威小子》80年代的经典流行电影)绳墨:墨线(用于取直的工具)。大儒 (受过深厚经典教育的人,极少数具备足够的道德认知、能够自主形成良好信念的人。person of great classical education – a very rare individual with enough moral understanding to form good beliefs autonomously)士:学者,致力于公共服务或国家治理的人。法:伦理实践的正当典范。四端(The "four sprouts"):具有道德倾向的情感特质(源自《孟子》)。The “four sprouts” or “four beginnings of virtue” (pro-virtuous emotional dispositions 四端)PJ Ivanhoe (Philip J. Ivanhoe, who argues here and here that 他认为荀子对人性的悲观论述与其「人生来在道德上是盲目」的观点密切相关。Xunzi’s pessimistic account of human nature is closely connected to his view that we are naturally morally blind at birth)Mencius 2A2, 《孟子·公孙丑上》:宋人揠苗助长的故事Cheng Yi 程颐 (1033-1107), source of a highly influential criticism of Xunzi, 指出了对荀子极具影响力的批评,该批评收录于《近思录》。Justin’s more technical papers on issues mentioned in the episode: “Getting It Oneself” (Zide 自得) and Xunzi on Moral Expertise诚: sincerity, integrity(对许多理学家而言,「诚」意味着发自内心地、全心全意地践行 wholeheartednessPhilippa Foot (20世纪道德哲学家,她对「美德」的观点曾发生过演变。20th-century moral philosopher whose views about the virtues fluctuated, as Richard discussed near the end of the episode)所当然而不容已: 我们不由自主被其驱动的伦理规范。– an important basic ingredient of Zhu Xi’s moral epistemology (discussed at some length in Neo-Confucianism, by Stephen Angle and Justin Tiwald, chapter 6) 特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena 在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep33 荀子vs韩非子:胡萝卜、大棒与礼制
本期嘉宾是Daniel Bell (贝淡宁)教授。在近期出版的著作中,他虚构了一场当代「荀子」教授与其学生「韩非」之间的辩论,贯通古今。Episode 33: Carrots, Sticks, and RitualsThis is The Way: Chinese Philosophy Podcast目前节目持续更新中,周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep32 嵇康:音乐本无喜悦或悲伤 (Live)
当你听到悲伤的音乐并感到悲伤的时候,是因为音乐将将创作者的悲伤「承载」并传递给了你,还是因为,悲伤原本就在你的心中,只是被音乐释放了出来?本期我们将讨论「竹林七贤」之一嵇康(223–262 CE)的音乐理论。他反对「音乐传递情感」的观点,并对提出了一套更为复杂且多元的解释。嵇康又会如何诠释《庄子》里神秘又迷人的「天籁」呢?我们邀请到了中国音乐哲学领域的顶尖学者,圣克拉拉大学(Santa Clara University)教授 Meilin Chinn作为嘉宾,与现场的同学、哲学家、及音乐人共同讨论這一話題。时间轴0:00 Part I -- Introduction2:14本期主题:嵇康论音乐中的情感 Ji Kang on theemotional contents of music6:50 Part II -- Ji Kang on music6:53 介绍嘉宾 Meilin Chinn10:14 讨论:音乐究竟是承载了情感内容,还是仅仅激发了听众内心的情感?Does music carry theemotional content, or does it just elicit the emotional content in thelistener?17:29 First passage: 以人的「爱」与「憎」进行类比论证Argument by analogy to "loving" and"hating" someone21:23 对该类比的反驳Objections to the analogy27:51这两种理论如何解释 「知音」这一概念? Howthe two accounts handle the very idea of a "skilled listener"31:09两种不同的因果关系: 基于内容的因果 vs.纯粹的触发机制 Two different types of causality: content-based vs. mere triggering36:04Second passage: 地籁、人籁与天籁 The pipes of earth, humankind, and heaven42:14这一辩论如何与儒道两家关于「教化」的巨大分歧相呼应 Howthe debate dovetails with larger disagreements between Confucians and Daoists about enculturation46:03现场观众提问🙋1:08:05 Meilin 目前及未来的研究项目重点讨论段落Passage 1: Argument by analogy to “loving”and “hating”夫喜、怒、哀、乐、哀、憎、惭、惧,凡此八者,生民所以接物传情,区别有属,而不可溢者也。夫味以甘苦为称,今以甲贤而心爱,以乙愚而情憎,则『爱』、『憎』宜属我,而『贤』、『愚』宜属彼也。可以我爱而谓之『爱人』,我憎则谓之『憎人』,所喜则谓之『喜味』,所怒则谓之『怒味』哉?由此言之,则外内殊用,彼我异名。声音自当以善恶为主,则无关于哀乐;哀乐自当以情感而后发,则无系于声音。名实俱去,则尽然可见矣。(嵆康,《声无哀乐论》“Music Has in It neither Grief nor Joy,” Robert Henricks’s translation,75-76)Passage 2: Zhuangzi onthe piping of heaven 庄子论「天籁」[子綦曰:]「。。。女聞地籟而未聞天籟夫!」子游曰:「敢問其方。」子綦曰:「夫大塊噫氣,其名為風。是唯无作,作則萬竅怒呺。而獨不聞之翏翏乎?山林之畏佳,大木百圍之竅穴,似鼻,似口,似耳。。。泠風則小和,飄風則大和,厲風濟則眾竅為虛。而獨不見之調調、之diáo diáo乎?」子游曰:「地籟則眾竅是已,人籟則比竹是已。敢問天籟。」子綦曰:「夫吹萬不同,而使其自已也,咸其自取,怒者其誰邪!」diao:“叼”去掉偏旁“口”(庄子, Chapter Two, “Equalizing Assessments of Things,” translation slightly modified from Brook Ziporyn’s translation, 11-12)目前节目持续更新中,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Meilin Chinn,Philosophy Department, Santa Clara University“Music With and Without Images““Music in Early Chinese Philosophy“嵆康 (223–262 CE)玄学 (“Profound Learning,” “Mystery Studies”)Kishi Bashi (composerand performer of thisoutstanding piece, among many others; see also this song film)Kimberly Dill, Philosophy Department,Santa Clara UniversityMatthew Izor, Philosophy Department,Santa Clara University“Music Has in It neither Grief nor Joy” (声无哀乐论)荀子 (3rd century BCE)乐记 (“The Record of Music,” 儒家经典《礼记Rites》中的篇章)《孟子·公孙丑上》(2A2)「见其礼而知其政,闻其乐而知其德。」「唯乐不可以为伪」(a quote from《乐记·乐象》篇)“The Imperial March” (Darth Vader’s thememusic)伯牙与子期 The legend of Boya and Ziqi, two friends who deeply understood one another through skillful understandingof their music象 (“signs,”“images,” representations that have determinate content)庄子道家中的「无心/无己」 Thetheme of “unselfconsciousness” in DaoismPaul Ekman on “universalemotions“孟子四端Mencius on the “four sprouts” (pro-virtuousemotional dispositions)礼 (rituals,rules of propriety)John Williams (因创作原版《星球大战》系列电影配乐而闻名)声,“musical sounds”the guqin 古琴, 嵇康演奏并为其著述的传统弦乐器“Rhapsody on the Qin” (琴赋, 嵇康关于古琴的辞赋)“Light of a Clear Blue Morning,”Waxahatchee’s interpretation, originally by Dolly PartonShawn Colvin, “Sunny Came Home““Barber’s Adagio for Strings” (example mentioned by Kishi Bashi, bestknown as the theme music for Platoon)David Hume’s sentiment-based aesthetics and ethicsemotivism and expressivism (twoviews about the foundations of ethical norms or values)推荐阅读:Hsi K’ang, Philosophy and Argumentation in Early China: The Essaysof Hsi K’ang (Robert Henricks’s complete translationof the writtings of Ji Kang)So Jeong Park, “The Aesthetics of Musical Emotion in Ji Kang’s ‘MusicHas in It neither Grief nor Joy‘”David Chai, “MusicalNaturalism in the Thought of Ji Kang“David Chai, “Ji Kang’s ‘On Dispelling Self-Interest‘”特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep31 墨 vs.荀:音乐巨辩
音乐在资源匮乏的时代是奢侈品,还是人类本性的必要表达?艺术对人类的发展究竟是锦上添花,还是必不可少? 墨子,基于后果主义对繁复音乐表演进行了批判 荀子认为适当引导音乐,能有效调和情绪、凝聚社会这场争论的背后,隐藏着墨子和传统儒家思想对人类福祉、情感塑造以及艺术作用的深刻分歧。The Great Music Debate — Mohists vs. Classical Confucians时间轴0:00 Part I – 聊了聊各自喜欢的音乐14:11 今日主题:墨家与儒家关于音乐表演的论辩15:13 Part II -- 音乐大辩论15:19 历史背景23:17 墨家的「平等主义」:认识论上的平等,而非社会结构上的平等Mohist "egalitarianism": egalitarian epistemologies, not egalitariansocial structures26:56 First passage: 墨家反对大型音乐表演的核心论点37:19 Second passage: 荀子对音乐的辩护53:34 Third passage: 享受音乐的内在价值1:01:37 关于快乐与享乐价值的情境论或整体论Contextualism or holism about the value of pleasure and enjoyment1:06:38 这场辩论对当今的启示重点讨论段落Passage 1: Mozi’s Condemnation of MusicalPerformances子墨子言曰:「仁之事者,必务求兴天下之利,除天下之害,将以为法乎天下。利人乎,即为;不利人乎,即止。且夫仁者之为天下度也,非为其目之所美,耳之所乐,口之所甘,身体之所安,以此亏夺民衣食之财,仁者弗为也。」。。。。。。是故子墨子曰:「今天下士君子,请将欲求兴天下之利,除天下之害,当在乐之为物,将不可不禁而止也。」(Mozi, ch. 32,“A Condemnation of Musical Performances,” Ivanhoe’stranslation)Passage 2: Xunzi’sDefense of Music夫乐者、乐也,人情之所必不免也。故人不能无乐,乐则必发于声音,形于动静;而人之道,声音动静,性术之变尽是矣。故人不能不乐,乐则不能无形,形而不为道,则不能无乱。先王恶其乱也,故制雅颂之声以道之,使其声足以乐而不流,使其文足以辨而不諰,使其曲直繁省廉肉节奏,足以感动人之善心,使夫邪污之气无由得接焉。是先王立乐之方也,而墨子非之奈何!故乐在宗庙之中,君臣上下同听之,则莫不和敬;闺门之内,父子兄弟同听之,则莫不和亲;乡里族长之中,长少同听之,则莫不和顺。故乐者审一以定和者也,比物以饰节者也,合奏以成文者也;足以率一道,足以治万变。是先王立乐之术也,而墨子非之奈何!(Xunzi, , chapter 20,“Discourse on Music,” EricHutton’s translation, lines 1-31)Passage 3: Mozi’s “House Analogy”(on the intrinsic value of enjoying music)子墨子曰问于儒者:「何故为乐?」曰:「乐以为乐也。」子墨子曰:「子未我应也。今我问曰:『何故为室?』曰:『冬避寒焉,夏避暑焉,室以为男女之别也。』则子告我为室之故矣。今我问曰:『何故为乐?』曰:『乐以为乐也。』是犹曰『何故为室』?曰『室以为室也』。」(Mozi, ch. 48, section 13,“Gong Meng,” slightly modified from W.P.Mei’s translation)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。提及的音乐人与歌曲、电影与媒体:U2, REM, Green Day, Everclear, Live, Taylor Swift, Hootie and the Blowfish, Notorious B.I.G., Blues Traveler, Tupac ShakurTimKasher (of the bands Cursive andTheGood Life)Bright EyesSaddle Creek Records (music label)Cat Power, “Metal Heart“Gillian Welch, “WreckingBall“Screaming Females, “Shake It Off” (cover of a song by Taylor Swift)H.O.T.Drunken TigerRachmaninoff,Tchaikovsky,ChopinSonny Rollins,John Coltrane,Miles DavisJohn Denver, “Take Me Home, Country Roads“《爆裂鼓手》Whiplash (filmabout a drummer striving to emulate Buddy Rich)《悲惨世界》Victor Hugo’s, LesMisérables (a novel, which was eventually turned into a popularmusical)“We Shall Overcome,” a Christian gospel song closely associated with theU.S.civil rights movement提及的哲学与概念:墨家 Mohism儒家 Confucianism战国时期 Warring States periodMozi墨子 (c. 470-c. 391 BCE)Xunzi荀子 (3rd century BCE)LiZehou 李泽厚 (1930-2021)「怀疑的阐释学」 对 「信任的阐释学」 “hermeneuticsof suspicion” vs. “hermeneuticsof faith“三表法 — 墨家论证的三个成功标准Hui-chieh LOY, “Justification and Debate: Thoughts on Moist Moral Epistemology“「后果主义」(consequentialism):一种认为正确行为是使人类或其他特定群体利益最大化的观点。Erica Fox Brindley, Music, Cosmology, and the Politics of Harmony in Early ChinaYueji 乐记 (“The Record of Music,” 儒家经典《礼记》中的一篇,意为「音乐的记录」)郑声(Zheng 郑):一种被一些古典思想家谴责为淫靡不正的音乐,与古代郑国相关。Philip J. Ivanhoe, Confucian Reflections (其第四章对儒家音乐观进行了当代辩护)SunYirang 孙诒让, 清代墨子注释家「功利主义」(utilitarianism):[1] 可指一种规范伦理学理论;或 [2] 不那么严谨地,指一种认为基本需求或实用性物品远比其他更具「审美」价值的物品重要的态度。幸灾乐祸 schadenfreude (pleasurefrom enjoying the misfortune of others)Daniel A. Bell, WhyAncient Chinese Political Thought Matters (其第三章对古典音乐辩论进行了21世纪的重述)Peter Singer, “Famine, Affluence, and Morality” (an article that Richard referenced nearthe end of the episode)Episode27 and Episode28 (我们之前关于墨家和儒家对「兼爱」的论证以及墨家后果主义的探讨)特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft andWay 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep30 朱熹读书法:敬读
怎样才算好好读书呢?朱熹认为,「敬读」(reverential attention) 是理解哲学及其他重要典籍的关键所在。何谓「敬读」? 它不仅仅意味着文本细读,更是一种将阅读置于学习、个人修养乃至现代社会纷扰等因素考量下的整体性实践。通过这种方法,朱熹力求使阅读同时具备涤荡心灵的力量和洞察真理的客观性 (transformative &objective)。然而,这种方法也引出了一个引人深思的难题:我们如何既能使阅读个性化,从而深刻塑造自我,又能有效避免因为自身偏见,歪曲文本的本真面貌?时间轴0:00 Part I – 聊了聊哲学对自己生活的影响15:49 Preface to today's topic 今日主题前言21:48 Part II -- 第二部分 — 敬读Reading with reverential attention28:10 First passage: 「敬读」的「内在视角」(一)an "inside view" of reverential attention32:43 Second passage: 「敬读」的「内在视角」(二) a second "inside view"40:42 Third passage: 如何「个性化」阅读 "personalize" what youread50:20 Fourth passage: 警惕主观偏见 guarding against subjective biases1:03:24 「敬读」如何同时实现阅读的「个性化」与「去个性化」?In what respects does reverential attention both "personalize" and "de-personalize" what weread?1:09:06 我们的本然心性、所学内容及其「契合方向」 Our natural minds, the contents of what we learn,and the direction-of-fit between the two重点讨论段落First and second passage: an“inside view” of reverential attention「坐如尸,立如齐」,「头容直,目容端,足容重,手容恭,口容止,气容肃」,皆敬之目也。(The Classified Sayings of MasterZhu 12.109,quoting from the Rites (礼记); English version modified from Daniel Gardner’stranslation, p. 172)。。。但此事甚易,只如此提醒,莫令昏昧,一二日便可见效,且易而省力。只在念不念之间耳,何难而不为!(The Classified Sayings of MasterZhu 12.79; Englishversion from Daniel Gardner’s translation, p. 170)Third passage: personalizing whatyou read大抵观书先须熟读,使其言皆若出于吾之口;继以精思,使其意皆若出于吾之心,然后可以有得尔。然熟读精思既晓得后,又须疑不止如此,庶几有进。若以为止如此矣,则终不复有进也。(The Classified Sayings ofMaster Zhu 10.55; Englishversion from Daniel Gardner’s translation, p. 135)Fourth passage: guarding againstsubjective biases学者观书,病在只要向前,不肯退步看。愈向前,愈看得不分晓。不若退步,却看得审。大概病在执着,不肯放下。正如听讼:心先有主张乙底意思,便只寻甲底不是;先有主张甲底意思,便只见乙底不是。不若姑置甲乙之说,徐徐观之,方能辨其曲直。横渠云:「濯去旧见,以来新意。」此说甚当。若不濯去旧见,何处得新意来。今学者有二种病,一是主私意,一是旧有先入之说,虽欲摆脱,亦被他自来相寻。(The Classified Sayings ofMaster Zhu 11.73; Englishversion from Daniel Gardner’stranslation, p. 150)目前节目保持更新中,某个周一中午与你见面^_^,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Alex Voorhoeve, Conversations on Ethics (其中包含Richard 提及的 Bernard Williams 的访谈, Williams 在访谈中谈到哲学的两种动机:好奇心和救赎)Alasdair MacIntyre, “Intractable Moral Disagreements“Zhu Xi 朱熹 (1130-1200 CE)Episode 18: Neo-ConfucianMetaphysics (我們之前一期关于朱熹的节目)jing 敬 (reverential attention, reverence)南宋 Southern Song dynasty (1127-1279)Thomas Aquinas (circa 1225-1274)Philip J. Ivanhoe, Confucian Moral Self Cultivation (introduces“reverential attention” as a translation and interpretation of jing 敬, p. 49)礼记, the Rites, the Book of Rites, the Record of Rituals斯宾诺莎Baruch Spinoza (1632-1677)Alasdair MacIntyre 认为传统(大致)是随着时间推移的扩展论辩: see his After Virtue, p. 222Episode 5: Cultivationand the Autobiography of Confucius (我们的第五期节目,探讨了知识、理解或认知成就的程度)朱熹将「自得」比作熟悉自家门路Zhu Xi compares “getting it oneself” to knowing one’s way aroundone’s own homeMortimer Adler, How to Read a Book私意 (自私或以自我为中心的思想、观念或倾向Jonathan Haidt, The Happiness Hypothesis (用「内在律师」(inner lawyer)一词指代某种认知偏见切己 (「将所学应用于自身」,「使之与自身相关」,朱熹常强调的阅读方法之一)Plato’s theory of forms 「相论」天理 (Heavenly Pattern, Heavenly Principle)“direction of fit” 「契合方向」,其描述的是:当一个心理状态或言语行为不符合现实时,是应该改变这个心理状态/言语行为去适应现实,还是应该改变现实去适应这个心理状态/言语行为。ImmanuelKant on the autonomy of moral action 伊曼努尔·康德(论道德行为的自主性)Richard Feynman, Surely You’re Joking, Mr.Feynman! (Richard 关于混合非常规颜色来制作黄色的趣闻来源)Dai Zhen 戴震 (1724-1777)关于朱熹「敬」式阅读的延伸阅读 朱熹关于阅读与「敬」的译著:Daniel Gardner, Learning to Be a Sage (see especially chapters 4-6)Philip J. Ivanhoe, ed., Zhu Xi: Selected Writings (see especially chapters 1, 2, and 4) 朱熹与阅读的二次研究:Stephen C. Angle, Sagehood (see especially chapters 8 and 9) and Growing Moral (chapters 6, 8, and 9)Philip J. Ivanhoe, “Literatureand Ethics in the Chinese Confucian Tradition” (chapter 7 in Moral Cultivation, edited by Brad Wilburn)Richard J. Lynn, “Chu Hsi asLiterary Theorist and Critic” (chapter 20 in Chu Hsi andNeo-Confucianism, edited byWing-tsit CHAN)PENG Guoxiang 彭国翔, 《身心修炼:儒家传统的功夫论》(see especially chapter 6)Baldwin Wong, Careful, Patient, andModest Citizens: Facilitating Civic Education through Zhu Xi’s Method of DeepReading 补充:朱熹读书法。。。今人观书,先自立了意后方观,尽率古人语言入做自家意思中来。如此,只是推广得自家意思,如何见得古人意思!须得退步者,不要自作意思,只虚此心将古人语言放前面,看他意思倒杀向何处去。如此玩心,方可得古人意,有长进处。且如孟子说诗,要『以意逆志,是为得之』。逆者,等待之谓也。如前途等待一人,未来时且须耐心等待,将来自有来时候。他未来,其心急切,又要进前寻求,却不是『以意逆志』,是以意捉志也。如此,只是牵率古人言语,入做自家意中来,终无进益。」(The Classified Sayings of Master Zhu 11.30; On-cho Ng’s translation in Zhu Xi: Selected Writings, p. 80)学问,就自家身己上切要处理会方是,那读书底已是第二义。自家身上道理都具,不曾外面添得来。然圣人教人,须要读这书时,盖为自家虽有这道理,须是经历过,方得。圣人说底,是他曾经历过来。(The Classified Sayings of Master Zhu 10.3; Daniel Gardner’s translation, p. 128)特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft andWay 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep29 慎子论法
在中国历史的早期,一些政治思想家便提出了一些极为深刻的论证:国家治理应依赖法律的持续施行,而非政治掌权者的个人裁量。本期节目,我们与中国法家思想领域的领军学者Eirik Lang Harris一起,讨论这一思想路径的早期开拓者之一——慎子(慎到)的核心论点。时间轴0:00 Part I – 聊了聊各自忙碌的生活7:39 前言:介紹法家15:13 Part II --慎子论法 Shen Dao on Law15:37 嘉宾介绍Eirik Lang Harris17:38 慎子法律思想概述 Overview of Shen Dao's views on law21:26 First passage: 法律本身的价值 the value of law itself25:18 慎子与儒家论「严格遵循规则」的利弊 Shen Dao vs. Confucians on the pros and cons of "strict rule-following"28:57 法律作为解决恩怨问题的方案 Law as a solution to problems of gratitude and resentment37:23 法律是否总是过于「开放性」而无法机械适用?Are laws invariably too "open textured" to be appliedmechanically?45:05 慎子是在倡导「法治」(而非仅仅「以法而治」)吗?Is Shen Dao recommending the rule of law (not just rule by law)?52:22 Second passage: 法源于人(而非天)laws come from human beings (not from Heaven)1:07:00 Third passage: 反对私德 againstprivate morality1:19:28 法律与自然力量的类比 The analogy between laws and forces of nature1:21:34 慎子思想中关于法律可变性的张力 a tension in Shen Dao's thought regarding the changeabilityof laws1:30:05 儒家之忧:慎子所构想的国家是否为有意义的人际关系留有空间?A Confucian worry: does Shen Dao's state make room for meaningful human relationships?1:33:47 结语 Closing thoughts重点讨论段落1. 法律本身的价值君人者,舍法而以身治,则诛赏予夺,从君心出矣。然则受赏者虽当,望多无穷;受罚者虽当,望轻无已。君舍法,而以心裁轻重,则同功殊赏,同罪殊罚矣,怨之所由生也。是以分马者之用策,分田者之用钩,非以钩策为过于人智也。所以去私塞怨也。故曰:大君任法而弗躬,则事断于法矣。法之所加,各以其分,蒙其赏罚而无望于君也。是以怨不生而上下和矣。(Shengzi Fragments 6; Eirik Lang Harris’stranslation, lines 61–65)2. 法源于人法非从天下,非从地出,发于人间,合乎人心而已。治水者,茨防决塞,九州四海,相似如一,学之于水,不学之于禹也。(Shengzi Fragments 8.51; Eirik Lang Harris’stranslation, Q1)3. 反对私德故有道之国,法立则私议不行,君立则贤者不尊。民一于君,事断于法,是国之大道也。(Shengzi Fragments 8.5; Eirik Lang Harris’stranslation, line 77)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Eirik LangHarrisThe Shenzi Fragments, a study and translation of the surviving works of ShenDao, by Eirik Lang HarrisShen Dao 慎到 (c. 350-275 BCE)Legalism 法家 (sometimes called the “Fa School”)Han Feizi 韩非子 (c. 280-233 BCE)“flake”(口语化的英文表达,指未能履行基本承诺的人,也可用作动词,如「掉链子」 flake out)势 (positionalpower, power of position, circumstantial power)法 (laws, public models,institutional rules)Xunzi 荀子 (3rd century BCE)Lord Shang 商君, a.k.a. Shang Yang商鞅 (c. 390-338 BCE)H.L.A. Hart (1907-1992, influential legal philosopher who wroteabout the “open texture of the law”)“rule of law” (as contrasted with “rule of people”) 法治,对比人治The Huainanzi 淮南子 (一部汉代典籍,可能更明确地支持法治观念。 On this issue, see also Roger T. Ames, The Art of Rulership)禹 (大禹治水)法立, “establishing the law”君立, “establishing the ruler”私议, “private goodness,” “privatemoral norms”以法去法 (指严格而严厉地执行法律,以至于人们总是遵守,官员不再需要强制执行)《论语·子路》13.18, 「直躬者」篇 (详见episode 13)在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep28 孟子对「兼爱」的批判
本期我们将继续深入探讨墨家「兼爱」思想,并考察孟子对此提出的两项最具影响力的反驳:一项是直指人伦根本的「无父」之辩(《孟子·滕文公下》3B9),另一项则是剖析人性与教条之源的「二本」之辩(《孟子·公孙丑上》3A5)。在此过程中,我们将探讨一些重要问题: 道德之爱,在家人与陌生人之间,真能做到一视同仁吗? 彻底的无差别之爱,是否会使人丧失为人根本? 而伦理的基石,究竟是理性的教条,还是人类的本性?时间轴0:00 Part I – Introduction 引入11:23 Part II -- 孟子对「兼爱」的批判 Mencius's critcisms of impartial caring18:50 「无父」之辩 The "without a father"argument (Mencius 3B9)37:25 「二本」之辩 The "two sources" (or"two roots") objection (Mencius 3A5)1:03:55 基于教条伦理的支持者的反驳:自然情感极不可靠 A rejoinder from proponents doctrine-based ethics: natural emotions are very unreliable1:06:12 伦理学对「全心全意」的标准 The wholeheartedness criterion for ethics重点讨论段落《孟子·滕文公下》3B9(「无父」)。。。杨朱、墨翟之言盈天下。天下之言,不归杨,则归墨。杨氏为我,是无君也;墨氏兼爱,是无父也。无父无君,是禽兽也。(Mengzi 3B9, Van Norden’s translation)《孟子·公孙丑上》3A5(「二本」或「二源」)「。。。吾闻夷子墨者。墨之治丧也,以薄为其道也。夷子思以易天下,岂以为非是而不贵也?然而夷子葬其亲厚,则是以所贱事亲也。」徐子以告夷子。夷子曰:「儒者之道,古之人『若保赤子』,此言何谓也?之则以为爱无差等,施由亲始。」徐子以告孟子。孟子曰:「夫夷子,信以为人之亲其兄之子为若亲其邻之赤子乎?彼有取尔也。赤子匍匐将入井,非赤子之罪也。且天之生物也,使之一本,而夷子二本故也。」(Mengzi 3A5, English version from Van Norden’s translation)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Episode 27:Mohism—Two arguments for impartial caring Mencius (Mengzi 孟子, 4th century BCE)Peter Singer, “Famine, Affluence, and Morality”utilitarianism (a typeof consequentialism) 功利主义 (一种结果主义)1983-1985年埃塞俄比亚饥荒Famines in Ethiopia, 1983-1985超义务行为 Supererogatory acts (指超越职责要求、并非严格强制的善行)Chris Fraser, The Philosophy of the Mòzǐ, see especially chapter 6 on jian’ai (“inclusivecare”)Yangists (school of thought traditionally traced to Yang Zhu 杨朱 in the Warring States period)孟子「无父」主张的两种解释: 生活方式/行为解释 (The lifestyle/behavior interpretation) 态度解释 (The attitude interpretation)“success concept”《孟子·公孙丑上》 2A6 (另一段指出保持人性至关重要的篇章)Dai Zhen 戴震 (1724-1777)「代理辩论」 “Proxy debate” (Justin’sphrase)夷之, 一位与孟子就修正版「兼爱」进行辩论的墨家哲学家 性(人性) (human nature),可能是夷之的「二本」之一 言 (教义、学说)(doctrine)(教义、学说),可能是夷之的「二本」之二对结果主义的「苛求性反驳」 The demandingness objection to consequentialism《尚书》(或称《书经》)(the Book of Documents)David Nivison, “Two Roots or One?“Joshua Greene, “The Secret Jokeof Kant’s Soul“Elizabeth Anscombe, “Mr. Truman’s Degree“伦理学的「全心全意」标准 a “wholeheartedness criterion” for ethics (seeTiwald, “Confucianism and Neo-Confucianism” or Angle and Tiwald, Neo-Confucianism, chapter 4)Zhu Xi 朱熹 (1130-1200), 及其对「二本」批判的解读Wang Yangming 王阳明 (1472-1529)《孟子·告子上》6A1 杞柳之喻Michael Stocker, “The Schizophrenia of Modern Ethical Theories”特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep27 墨子「兼爱」:两个核心论证
墨子为什么认为我们应该「兼爱」?本期播客主要聚焦于《墨子》中的两大核心论证:托付论证与孝道论证。我们将探讨:托付论证与孝道论证的逻辑结构、心理合理性和实践适用性,还会探讨互惠原则在其中的关键作用。「兼爱」意味着 要求较为宽泛的「不损害他人」 ,还是更为严格的「等量关切」?「兼爱」与儒家「爱有差等」的关爱模式哪个更好?什么是真正的孝道?以及不同的道德框架如何塑造家庭与社会实践。时间轴Part I -- Introduction4:01 今日主题序言:如何论证兼爱6:19 Part II --墨家兼爱的两个论证6:25 简述「兼爱」13:32 对两个论证的简单介绍13:49 The first argument: 托付论证 The Caretaker Argument18:56 问题出在逻辑不一致性吗?Is the problem one of logical inconsistency?23:05 虚假二分法质疑 The false dichotomy objection31:43 问题或许是实践不一致,而非逻辑不一致 Maybe the problem is practical inconsistency, not logical inconsistency35:34 托付论证的普适性有多大?How much can we generalize from the caretaker argument?37:37 The second argument: 孝道论证 The Filial Piety Argument41:10 论证是否预设了家庭间彼此互惠?Does the argument just assume reciprocal treatment between families?44:31 如果仅为回报而非助人,还算「兼爱」吗?Does it count as "impartial caring" if you just want to helpthem in order to get benefit in return?47:31 孝子的偏好跟「关系亲疏」有关吗? Relational vs. non-relational accounts of thefilial person's preferences55:38 「兼爱」的最低要求与最高要求诠释 Minimally demanding vs. maximally demanding interpretations of "impartial caring"重点讨论段落托付论证 The Caretaker Argument然即敢问,今有平原广野于此,被甲婴冑将往战,死生之权未可识也;又有君大夫之远使于巴、越、齐、荆,往来及否未可识也,然即敢问,不识将恶也家室,奉承亲戚,提挈妻子,而寄托之?不识于兼之有是乎?于别之有是乎?我以为当其于此也,天下无愚夫愚妇,虽非兼之人,必寄托之于兼之有是也。此言而非兼,择即取兼,即此言行费也。不识天下之士,所以皆闻兼而非之者,其故何也。孝道论证 The Filial Piety Argument然而天下之非兼者之言,犹未止,曰:「意不忠亲之利,而害为孝乎?」子墨子曰:「姑尝本原之孝子之为亲度者。吾不识孝子之为亲度者,亦欲人爱利其亲与?意欲人之恶贼其亲与?以说观之,即欲人之爱利其亲也。然即吾恶先从事即得此?若我先从事乎爱利人之亲,然后人报我爱利吾亲乎?意我先从事乎恶人之亲,然后人报我以爱利吾亲乎?即必吾先从事乎爱利人之亲,然后人报我以爱利吾亲也。然即之交孝子者,果不得已乎,毋先从事爱利人之亲者与?意以天下之孝子为遇而不足以为正乎?《墨子·兼爱上》,English version from Philip J. Ivanhoe’s translation目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Mohism 墨家(与墨子相关的哲学思想)Bryan VanNorden, Virtue Ethics and Consequentialism in Early Chinese PhilosophyChad Hansen, ADaoist Theory of Chinese Thought (see p.113 for his “social dao” view, and see Van Norden [above] for a response, pp.183 and 377-80)Chris Fraser, The Philosophy of the MòzǐLoy,Hui-chieh, “On the Argument for Jian’ai”(这篇文章讨论了兼爱的主要论证)The Mohist Canons on“non-instrumental” care (ai 爱) 《墨经》中关于「非工具性」之爱的论述《孟子》 3B9 (对兼爱的「无父」质疑)Alexus McLeod,“Some Considerations in Defense of a Radical Readingof the Mohist ‘Jian Ai‘“Bryan VanNorden, “Review of The Philosophy of the Mòzǐ, by Chris Fraser“CarineDefoort, “Are the Three ‘Jian Ai‘ Chapters about Universal Love?“Youngsun Back,“Reconstructing Mozi’s Jian’ai 兼爱” and “Rethinking Mozi’s Jian’ai“consequentialism 结果主义特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep26 白马非马
「白马非马。」这句看似荒谬的论断,出自《公孙龙子》中一次著名的哲学对话。本期节目,我们与Dr. Lisa Indraccolo (Tallinn University) 一起共同探讨这句悖论背后究竟隐藏着怎样的逻辑。你将听到:这句论断如何揭示早期中国哲学家在语言、逻辑和范畴划分方面的深邃思考,以及如何运用集合论、语义学和形而上学来理解这一引人入胜的文本,探究言语与现实的关联。更多关于 Lisa Indraccolo: her professional website.时间轴0:00 Part I – 「白马非马」是语言的游戏?4:40 Part II --The White Horse Dialogue 白马论4:42 嘉宾介绍 Introducing LisaIndraccolo6:03 聊了聊 为什么欧洲和北美的汉学家鲜有线下会面 Why European and North American sinologists rarely meet inperson13:21 介绍《公孙龙子》17:01 Section 1: 开篇对话——形与色的辩驳 Opening Exchange – Shape vs. Color28:36 Section 2: 一般意义上的马与白马 Generic Horse vs. White Horse38:11 集合名词假说 The mass-noun hypothesis57:28 Section 3: 「无色之马」的挑战 The "Colorless Horse" Challenge1:07:52 Section4: 归谬法论证 The Reductio Ad Absurdum Argument1:09:58 这一对话是否仅是在嘲弄那些混淆同一性论断与子类论断的人?Is the dialogue justteasing people who conflate identity claims with subclass claims?1:13:12 推测此类对话的目的——训练、娱乐与正名 Speculation about the aims of dialogues like this -- training, entertainment, and rectifying names1:20:15 Lisa的关键论点:具体共相、范畴 Lisa's key takeaways: concrete universals, categories重点讨论段落Section1: Opening Exchange – Shape vs. ColorObjector (曰): 「白马非马可乎。」Persuader 曰: 「可。」O曰: 「何哉。」P曰: 「马者所以命形也。白者所以命色也。命色者非命形也故曰白马非马。」Section 2: Generic Horse vs. White HorseP曰: 「求马黄黑马皆可致。求白马黄黑马不可致。… 可与不可其相非明。故黄黑马一也而可以应有马,而不可以应有白马。是白马之非马审矣。」Section 3: The“Colorless Horse” ChallengeO曰: 「以马之有色为非马。天下非有无色之马也。天下无马可乎。」P曰: 「马固有色故有白马。… 白马者马与白也。马与白非马也。故曰白马非马也。」Section4: The Reductio Ad AbsurdumP曰: 「以有白马为有马。谓有白马为有黄马可乎。」O曰: 「未可。」P曰: 「以有马为异有黄马是异黄马于马也。异黄马于马是以黄马为非马。以黄马为非马而以白马为有马。[……] 此天下之悖言乱辞也。」(《公孙龙子白马论》, English version slightly modified from Lisa Indraccolo’s translation)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Lisa Indraccolo, “The ‘White Horse Is Not Horse’ Debate” (in Philosophy Compass)Lisa Indraccolo, “Of Stones and Horses: Reading the GōngsūnLóngži in Terms of Concrete Universals” (in Philosophy East &West)Lisa Indraccolo, “Inner and Outer Worlds – On the Nature ofThings, Matter, and the Mind in the Gōngsūn Lóngzǐ” (open access)公孙龙子 (一部阐述看似悖论性术语和概念观点的历史文献,传统上归于公孙龙 [约公元前325-250年])白马论 (“White Horse Dialogue,” “White Horse Discourse”)The Zhuangzi 庄子 (有时对「白马论」之类的论辩进行嘲讽)Peter Adamson (co-hostof Historyof Philosophy in China, host of Historyof Philosophy without Any Gaps)Karyn Lai (co-hostof Historyof Philosophy in China) Ep7 庄子:庖丁解牛 的嘉宾The American Philosophical Association (APA, 美国哲学学会)名家 (the “School of Names,” the “Sophists”)非 (一个表示否定的词,至少可用于两种不同语境——「不等于」和「不属于某一类型/子集”」“isn’t identical to” and“isn’t a type/subset of”) identity claim 同一性论断(例如:「荷兰人就是来自荷兰的人」) subset claim 集论断(例如:「荷兰人是人」)Venn diagram 维恩图the mass-noun hypothesis (ChadHansen关于中国文本中「部分-整体关系」的假说 Chad Hansen’s hypothesis regarding part-whole relations in Chinesetexts)Chinese measure words 中文中的量词跃跃欲试 “chomping at the bit” (anEnglish idiom)A.C. Graham (白马论解释之一an interpreter of the White Horse Dialogue briefly mentioned by Lisa)articles (冠词(定冠词和不定冠词,如“the”和“a”)Yiu-ming FUNG, “A Logical Perspective on ‘Discourse on White Horse’” (馮耀明)MohistCanons ( 墨经,一部探讨相似概念和语言议题的文本,并使用“类”的概念来解释语义学的基本操作))reductio ad absurdum 归谬法 (a typeor style of argument)正名 (「匡正名分」,「纠正称谓」)Xunzi荀子 (3rd century BCE, 一位抱怨名家思想的儒家哲学家)universals 共相 abstractuniversals 抽象共相 concreteuniversals 具体共相冯友兰 (Fung Yu-lan, 提出此对话预设了抽象共相的存在)“Hegelese” 「黑格尔语」(一个非正式的、戏谑性的术语,指 G.W.F. Hegel 黑格尔 [1770-1831]独特的语言风格)特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep25 道家的乌托邦构想
你想象过一个没有内卷,没有无尽欲望追逐,人们安居乐业,与世无争的社会吗?《道德经》第八十章生动描绘了道家对于理想社会的构想。在这里,小国寡民,人们回归自然,甘于简朴,甚至主动放弃那些看似能“省力”的工具,抵制对更多物质的无尽追求。本期我们将探讨政治极简主义、技术克制、知足常乐以及激进的地方主义,并思考:即使明知存在其他或“更好”的可能性,我们如何才能感到满足?面对当下消费主义和技术崇拜,道家的乌托邦究竟是天真、激进,还是超越时代的智慧?时间轴1:25 Part I –聊了聊对技术创新的担忧 Worries about technological innovation: writing, smartphones, AI13:15 今日话题 《道德经》第八十章18:03 Part II – 道家乌托邦21:59 朗读节选段落23:22 Section 1, 政治极简主义 "Political Minimalism"29:53 Section 2, 技术与社会克制 "Technological and Social Restraint"32:30 我们为何不应该使用能省力的工具?Why shouldn't we uselabor-saving tools?46:17 Section 3, 知足常乐 "Contentmentand Simplicity in Daily Life"52:05 Section 4, 激进的地方主义与和平 "Radical Localism and Peace"58:15 天真的知足 vs 深刻的知足 Two types of contentment: naive vs. deep1:04:42 道家乌托邦主义的有限定的价值 The qualified valueof Daoist utopianism重点讨论段落《道德经》Ch.80 道家乌托邦Section 1,“Political Minimalism”小国寡民。Section 2,“Technological and Social Restraint”使有什伯之器而不用;使民重死而不远徙。虽有舟舆,无所乘之,虽有甲兵,无所陈之。使民复结绳而用之,Section 3,“Contentment and Simplicity in Daily Life”甘其食,美其服,安其居,乐其俗。Section 4,“Radical Localism and Peace”邻国相望,鸡犬之声相闻,民至老死,不相往来。(《道德经》80, English version from Philip J. Ivanhoe’stranslation)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料柏拉图,《斐德罗篇》 the PhaedrusJonathan Haidt, “Get Phones Out of Schools Now“Philip J. Ivanhoe, TheDaodejing of Laozi – 参见引言中Ivanhoe对道家「原始农耕乌托邦」的论述。外国的月亮比较圆 “The grass is alwaysgreener on the other side” (an English expression)Mohism 墨家 (归属于墨子思想的学派)郭店楚简 TheBamboo Texts of Guodian (出土文献,包含早期版本的《道德经》)马王堆帛书The Mawangdui Silk Texts (后来出土的文献,同样包含早期版本的《道德经》)Mozi 墨子, chapter25 (把家庭和国家总是或合理地希望拥有更多人口作为前提)享乐适应Hedonic treadmills 指个体经历积极或消极生活变化后,逐渐适应并回归原有快乐水平的现象阿米什文化 Amish culture劳动产品异化 Alienationfrom the products of one’s labor「甘其食」中「甘」的两种解读:使他们的食物美味可口/将食物视为美味可口庄子, chapter10, 转述了「鸡犬之声相闻」韩炳哲, 《超文化》 Hyperculture河上公注(《道德经》王弼注(《道德经》Rumspringa 离群节(某些阿米什社群的成人礼仪式)有识的知足 vs 天真的知足Informed contentmentvs. naive contentment (also, “deep contentment” vs. naive contentment)道德经, chapter 71 (隐含地区分了有识的无知与天真的无知)成玄英(约631-655年在世,撰写了有影响力的唐代《道德经》注疏)梭罗,《瓦尔登湖》,Henry David Thoreau, Walden柏拉图,《理想国》(Plato, RepublicPhilip J. Ivanhoe’stranslation, 区分了「健康的城邦」与「发热的城邦,the “healthy city” and the “feverish city”)Glaucon (《理想国》中的人物)hobbits 霍比特人特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft andWay 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep24 庄子:盗亦有道?
盗跖,是一个罪行累累、恶名昭著的反派人物。在《庄子·杂篇·盗跖》中,孔子尝试劝导,希望其能够浪子回头。然而,孔子反而被盗跖反驳和训斥了一番。今天我们来探讨中国古典文学中这场非常特别的哲学对话。在故事的结尾,孔子的天真与理想化显得格外突出,而他所坚持的道德理论也显得不切实际,甚至受到质疑:那些宣扬道德的人,是否在某种意义上也是“盗者”?本期嘉宾:Stephen C. Walker 教授,他的研究➡️ research page本期英文标题: Robber Zhi – Honor Among Thieves?时间轴0:00 Part I – 聊了聊盗跖和我们为什么对这个故事感兴趣0:22 盗跖:一个反派人物训斥了孔子? an anti-hero lectures Confucius2:23 Part II–《盗跖》节选2:27 介绍嘉宾:Stephen C. Walker4:15 全篇概要6:28 第1节:孔子与盗跖之兄对谈10:25 第2节:孔子面见盗跖17:37 第3节:盗跖描绘「黄金时代」或自然状态 RobberZhi Describes the Golden Age or State of Nature22:09 第4节:盗跖论世道之衰 Robber Zhi on the Decline33:58 第5节:盗跖谈哲学 Robber Zhi Does Philosophy51:07 第6节:孔子退避 Confucius Retreats56:02 「返回自然」,以杨朱学派的视角解读 The back-to-nature ("Yangist")reading of the dialogue1:06:11 盗跖是否在暗示,那些以「道德教化天下」为己任的人,是否反而是某种意义上的「盗」?Is RobberZhi suggesting that moralists recruit others to a kind of pyramid scheme?1:09:34Walker 认为,我们为什么要认真对待盗跖的主张?What it means to take RobberZhi's views seriously, on Walker's reading重点讨论段落Section1: 孔子与盗跖之兄对谈。。。心如涌泉,意如飘风。。。Section2: 孔子面见盗跖夫可规以利而可谏以言者,皆愚陋恒民之谓耳。。。。今丘告我以大城众民,是欲规我以利而恒民畜我也,安可久长也?今长大美好,人见而悦之者,此吾父母之遗德也。丘虽不吾誉,吾独不自知邪?Section3: 盗跖描绘“黄金时代”或自然状态且吾闻之:古者禽兽多而人少,于是民皆巢居以避之,昼拾橡栗,暮栖木上,故命之曰有巢氏之民。古者民不知衣服,夏多积薪,冬则炀之,故命之曰知生之民。神农之世,卧则居居,起则于于,民知其母,不知其父,与麋鹿共处,耕而食,织而衣,无有相害之心,此至德之隆也。然而黄帝不能致德,与蚩尤战于涿鹿之野,流血百里。尧、舜作,立群臣,汤放其主,武王杀纣。自是之后,以强陵弱,以众暴寡。汤、武以来,皆乱人之徒也。Section4: 盗跖论世道之衰。。。盗莫大于子。。。丘之所以说我者,若告我以鬼事,则我不能知也;若告我以人事者,不过此矣,皆吾所闻知也。Section5: 盗跖谈哲学今吾告子以人之情:目欲视色,耳欲听声,口欲察味,志气欲盈。人上寿百岁,中寿八十,下寿六十,除病瘦、死丧、忧患,其中开口而笑者,一月之中不过四五日而已矣。天与地无穷,人死者有时,操有时之具而托于无穷之间,忽然无异骐骥之驰过隙也。不能说其志意,养其寿命者,皆非通道者也。丘之所言,皆吾之所弃也,亟去走归,无复言之!子之道,狂狂汲汲,诈巧虚伪事也,非可以全真也,奚足论哉?(English version slightly modified)Section6: 孔子退避。。。丘所谓无病而自灸也。疾走料虎头,编虎须,几不免虎口哉!(Zhuangzi, chapter 29, “Robber Zhi,” Brook Ziporyn’s translation)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Stephen C.Walker, “How Not to Be a Feckless Moral Hustler”Hans-Georg Moeller and Paul J. D’Ambrosio,柳下季 (盗跖之兄)Zilu 子路 (仲由,传统生卒年542–480 BCE,孔子弟子,以敢作敢为、甘于牺牲著称)“YOLO” (acronym for “You Only Live Once” 只活一次)Friedrich Nietzsche, On the Genealogy of Morals (also translated asOn the Genealogy of Morality)A.C. Graham, The Disputers of the Tao (以杨朱学派的视角解读本篇节选,recommending a back-to-nature view)Hans-GeorgMoeller and Paul J. D’Ambrosio, Genuine Pretending: On the Philosophy of the Zhuangzi“carnivalesque” (「狂欢式」人物与语调 Moeller’s and D’Ambrosio’s term for the humorousfigures featured in “Robber Zhi” andsimilar chapters)Ep4 Daoist Persuasion (道家式游说(孔子与颜回的对话))Xunzi 荀子 (公元前3世纪)Iris Murdoch, The Sovereignty of the Good特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft andWay 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep23 孔子谈「识人」与「品德」
儒家认为,什么样的人是「具有良好品德的人」?我们该如何区分真正的德性和伪装的德性?通过策论文之类的书面考试来「考察」品德,儒家认为可行吗?时间轴0:00 Part I – 聊了聊识人不准的经历。8:29 Part II -- 儒家关于品德评估的主张 Confucians on the Assessment of Character8:30 介绍节选段落10:53《论语》2.9:通过人的私下行为评估品德 assessing character through one's private behavior19:14《论语》2.10:评估品德的操作指引 instructionsfor character assessment29:26 德性与「乐」的关系 virtue and enjoyment34:03 对「德性—享受」关系的质疑:有些德性行为不是很难做到吗?objection to thevirtue-enjoyment connection: aren't there some virtuous acts that are difficult to do?40:15科举考试是否真的能「测试德性」吗?did the civil service exams successfully "test" for virtue?58:20 考试制度是否对学习动机产生了不良影响?did the exam system have a pernicious effect on people's motives to learn?1:03:10 《论语》2.9与2.10对后世品德评估的影响 the influence ofAnalects 2.9 and 2.10 on later views about character assessment重点讨论段落子曰:「吾与回言终日,不违如愚。退而省其私,亦足以发。回也,不愚。」(《论语·为政》 2.9, English version: Edward Slingerland’s translation)子曰:「视其所以,观其所由,察其所安。人焉廋哉?人焉廋哉?」(《论语·为政》 2.10, English version: Edward Slingerland’s translation)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料YanHui 颜回 (孔子的得意门生, late 6th and early 5th-century BCE)Analects 5.9 (孔子暗示颜回对「道」的领会或许甚至超过孔子自己…maybe)Analects 11.9-11.10 (颜回死后孔子悲痛不已)Zhu Xi 朱熹 (1130-1200, 宋代儒家哲学家与重要注释家)Analects 6.20 (知之者不如好之者,好之者不如乐之者)Analects 7.34 (为之不厌,诲人不倦)Justin Tiwald and Jeremy Reid, “Meritocracy and the Tests of Virtue in Greek and Confucian Political Thought““indefatigable” (形容真正的德性在合理范围内「不易令人疲惫」,与虚假德性相反)韩愈 (768-824 CE, 唐代儒者)Analects 14.24 (古之学者为己,今之学者为人。)李滉(号退溪,1501—1570,朝鲜儒者,批评考试文化)特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep22 孔子:何为美好生活?
弟子围坐,各言所愿。子路要施政。冉有和公西华谈治理与礼仪上的工作。曾皙则描绘了完全不同的画面:在沂水洗浴,在舞雩乘风,唱着回家。孔子说:「吾与点也。」我们将讨论:为什么「礼自然而行、人际关系真诚而充满」的生活图景,会胜过更传统的功名路径?这段话是否意味着政治工作完全偏离了孔子的要点?还是说曾皙的答案呈现了另一种政治视野——以共同体为重,在礼中感到喜悦,以人伦为社会秩序与善治的根基?结合儒家传统中的历代评注与当代研究,我们将解析这段文字为何千百年来始终令人着迷,并考察它如何揭示「个人圆满」与「社会和谐」之间的关系。时间轴0:00 Part I – 将 “This Is The Way” 介绍到中文世界7:57 介绍今日话题10:48 Part II -- 《论语》中的美好生活10:49 节选段落的介绍14:51 第一节:政治荣耀(子路的雄心)political glory (Zilu's ambition)21:16 第二节:更为谦逊的政治志向 more modest political aspirations24:24 第三节:「非政治」的志向(曾皙的愿景)a"non-political" aspiration (Zeng Xi's vision)31:28 曾皙的愿景真是「非政治」吗?Is Zeng Xi's vision truly non-political?37:19 现实主义与乌托邦 Realism and utopianism43:44 一种「此世的」美好生活观 A"this-worldly" conception of the good life47:05 第四节:复盘 "debriefing"50:55 按真诚程度对回答排序(另一种排序)Ranking the answers by degrees ofsincerity (an alternative ranking)重点讨论段落Section 1: political glory (子路)子路、曾晰、冉有、公西华侍坐。子曰:「以吾一日长乎尔,毋吾以也。居则曰:「不吾知也!』如或知尔,则何以哉?」子路率尔而对曰:「千乘之国,摄乎大国之间,加之以师旅,因之以饥馑;由也为之,比及三年,可使有勇,且知方也。」夫子哂之。Section 2: more modestpolitical ambitions (冉求,公西华)「求!尔何如?」对曰:「方六七十,如五六十,求也为之,比及三年,可使足民。如其礼乐,以俟君子。」「赤!尔何如?」对曰:「非曰能之,愿学焉。宗庙之事,如会同,端章甫,愿为小相焉。」Section 3: a“non-political” aspiration (曾皙)「点!尔何如?」鼓瑟希,铿尔,舍瑟而作。对曰:「异乎三子者之撰。」子曰:「何伤乎?亦各言其志也。」曰:「莫春者,春服既成。冠者五六人,童子六七人,浴乎沂,风乎舞雩,咏而归。」夫子喟然叹曰:「吾与点也!」Section 4: the“debriefing” 曾皙与孔子「复盘」三子者出,曾晰后。曾皙曰:「夫三子者之言何如?」子曰:「亦各言其志也已矣。」曰:「夫子何哂由也?」曰:「为国以礼,其言不让,是故哂之。」「唯求则非邦也与?」「安见方六七十如五六十而非邦也者?」「唯赤则非邦也与?」「宗庙会同,非诸侯而何?赤也为之小,孰能为之大?」(Analects 11.26, English version is slightly modified from Edward Slingerland’stranslation)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料eudaimonia (希腊语 εὐδαιμονία,通常译为“幸福”“善福”“人之善盛”)《楚门的世界》The Truman Show (themovie that Justin struggled to remember)BryanW. Van Norden, Virtue Ethics andConsequentialism in Early Chinese Philosophy (末讨论《论语》11.26)Philip J. Ivanhoe, Confucian Reflections (书末亦讨论《论语》11.26)Josef Pieper, Leisure: The Basis ofCultureAnalects 2.21 (孔子说明他通过在家庭中践行德行而参与政治与治理)Gavin Lawrence, 亚里士多德研究者,Richard之前的老师Bryan W. Van Norden, Introduction to Classical Chinese Philosophy (以「日常世界中的幸福」为儒家理想,强调「此世的」美好生活)朱熹 (1130-1200), Zhuzi yulei 朱子语类Sonny Corleone (《教父》中科里昂家族的长子)Analects 2.4 (七十而从心所欲,不逾矩)延伸阅读(关于后世儒家对曾皙的看法) Sophia Katz,“Tradition of Ruist Unrestrainedness: Zeng Dian, Shao Yong, and Chen Xianzhang…” (in this volume)特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep21 荀子之道,是发现的还是发明的?
我们首次讨论——荀子!作为公元前3世纪的儒家哲学家,荀子以「性恶论」著称,并质疑传统儒家礼的超自然或迷信式辩护。在本期播客中,我们会先勾勒荀子总体的哲学世界观;再转向一个核心问题:荀子认为儒家之「道」,是圣人所「发现」的,还是圣人「创制/构造」的规范体系?对这个问题的思考有助于我们理解伦理及其根基、以及伦理价值在多大程度上依赖人类公约。时间轴0:00 Part I 聊了聊当今公共生活中的信任与专业性 Open-ended discussion of trust andexpertise in public life these days15:00 对荀子的简介30:23 Part II -- 荀子之道,是发现的还是发明的? Is Xunzi's Way discovered or invented?37:11节选:涉水渡河41:51 「首圣问题」The problem of the first sage46:23 发现还是发明? Discovered or invented?53:46 桥梁类比:部分为发明,部分为发现 The bridge analogy: some parts invented, some parts discovered1:04:30 爵士乐类比 The jazz analogy1:06:47 传统的延续(绳索类比)The continuity of the tradition (rope analogies)重点讨论段落涉水渡河 “Fording a River”水行者表深,表不明则陷。治民者表道,表不明則乱。礼者,表也。非礼,昏世也;昏世,大乱也。故道无不明,外內异表,隐显有常,民陷乃去。(Xunzi, chapter 17, lines 237-46, Eric Hutton’s translation; note that there’s a similar passage in chapter 27)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Jonathan Rauch, The Constitution of Knowledge人身攻击谬误 the ad hominem fallacyThrasymachus, as depicted in Plato’s RepublicXunzi 荀子 (公元前3世纪,儒家哲学家)李斯 (法家丞相,史载为荀子弟子)韩非子 (法家思想家,亦被认为受教于荀子)秦朝 (公元前221-206)T.C.Kline III and Justin Tiwald, Ritual and Religion inthe Xunzi元伦理学 metaethics (研究伦理的基础与根据)PhilipJ. Ivanhoe, Chinese Language,Thought, and Culture: Nivison and His Critics (讨论所谓「首圣问题」)T.C.Kline III, “Moral Agency andMotivation in the Xunzi” (also addresses thefirst sage problem)先王 (在 chapter 27’s version 版本中,置标者)建构主义解读 the constructivist interpretation (认为「道」乃被「创制/构造」)实在论解读 the realist interpretation (认为关于「道」的真理不以人间约定为本,「道」乃被「发现」)天下无二道,圣人无两心 (《荀子》, ch. 21)《荀子》, ch. 5 (段落暗示历代圣人曾提出不同之范式)延伸阅读 on the “discovered orinvented?” question: Paul Goldin’s StanfordEncyclopedia of Philosophy article on Xunzi, section 5, “Is the Way Discovered or Constructed?” Eric Hutton and Kurtis Hagen debate the constructivist interpretation in the journal Dao, vol. 6 no. 4 (2007) — see Hutton’s book review, Hagen’s reply, and Hutton’s further response Siufu TANG, Self-Realization Through Confucian Learning and “Metaphysics of Normative Values: Metaethical Constructivism and Xunzi“ David Wong, “Xunzi’s Metaethics“特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft andWay 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep20 儒佛之辩 (Live)
很多人选择皈依佛教,是为了「止苦」,而且似乎先从解決自己的痛苦开始。这是否意味着佛教修行者是自私的?佛教在中国流行后,不少儒者认为,佛教把个人解脱放在伦理之前,因此带有自利倾向。一些儒者还反对佛教提倡的“无缘慈”,认为它与维系亲人、朋友等重要关系所需要的特殊情感根本不相容。本期播客录制于美国哲学协会 American Philosophical Association 的一次会议,Justin提出了两项针对佛教的批评,嘉宾洪真如(Jenny Hung)为佛教进行辩护,Richard担任主持,现场亦有多位专家参与讨论。欢迎加入这场生动而友好的「辩论」!时间轴0:00 Part I – 闲聊4:19 主题介绍5:39 Part II -- 儒佛之辩 Confucianism vs. Buddhism5:40 嘉宾介绍:洪真如(Jenny Hung)9:58 历史与哲学中的儒佛对论13:49 介绍本期所论佛家哲学家:宗密16:40 第一项批评:佛教之「自利」 The firstcriticism: Buddhist selfishness49:22 第二项批评:无缘慈与人伦关系 The second criticism: unconditionedcompassion and relationships1:07:47 观众提问 (有播客嘉宾返场!)重点讨论段落陆象山 (1139-1193) 论佛教之自利释氏以人生天地间,有生死,有轮回,有烦恼,以为甚苦,而求所以免之。其有得道明悟者,则知本无生死,本无轮回,本无烦恼,故其言曰:生死事大。如兄所谓菩萨发心者,亦只为此一大事,其教之所从立者如此。故曰利、曰私。惟义惟公,故经世;惟利惟私,故出世。儒者虽至于无声无臭,无方无体,皆主于经世。释氏虽尽未来际普度之,皆主于出世。今习释氏者皆人也,彼既为人,亦安能尽弃吾儒之仁义?彼虽出家,亦上报四恩。日用之间,此理之根诸心而不可泯灭者,彼固或存之也。然其为教,非为欲存此而起也。故其存不存,不足为深造其道者轻重。(陆象山《与王顺伯》, English version modified from Philip J. Ivanhoe’stranslation)朱熹 (1130-1200)论「无缘慈」:先生曰:「释氏说『无缘慈』。记得甚处说:『融性起无缘之大慈。』盖佛氏之所谓慈,并无缘由,只是无所不爱。若如爱亲之爱,渠便以为有缘;故父母弃而不养,而遇虎之饥饿,则舍身以食之,此何义理耶?」(朱熹《朱子语类》卷一二六, Englishversion modified from Justin’s translation)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Jenny Hung 洪真如 (本期嘉宾)真如 (梵语 Tathātā, “truethusness,” “true suchness” 佛教核心术语,亦为洪真如中文名)John Rawls (约翰·罗尔斯, 具影响力的政治哲学家)UriKaplan, Buddhist Apologetics in East Asia宗密 (圭峰宗密, 780-841, 唐代佛教哲学家)JennyHung, “We are the Same Mind! A Studyof Zongmi’s Idea of the True Mind“四圣谛The Four Noble Truths菩提萨埵, 菩萨bodhisattva大乘佛教 Mahāyāna Buddhism (与上座部或所谓“声闻乘/小乘”相对,更强调菩萨道)陆象山 (陆九渊,1139–1192,宋代新儒家哲学家)生死轮回 (saṃsāra , 世间生死流转之境)如来藏 (tathagatagarbha, Buddha-nature, 佛性/佛胎,中国佛教重要基础概念,宗密亦以此为宗旨)俗谛与真谛(或胜义谛)“conventional truth” vs. “ultimate truth” in Buddhism顿悟与渐悟/渐修 sudden enlightenment vs.gradual enlightenment or gradual practice《法华经》The Lotus SutraJustinTiwald, “Zhu Xi’s Critique of Buddhism“无缘慈/无缘大慈 unconditioned compassion (相对之「有缘慈」)禅 (禅宗“Chan Buddhism“)爱有差等(differentiated care)戒(śīla,佛教伦理/戒律之梵语术语)萨埵太子(Prince Sattva,菩萨舍身饲虎故事之源;thanks to PJ Ivanhoe for this reference)乡约(乡里约法/社区公约,朱熹地方治理思想之要目)经世(治理天下、经世济用)出世(出离世间)特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。以及感謝Dana Jae Audio Collective 的現場布置与录音支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes:Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep19 朱熹:仁与德性统一
最简单来说,本期聊:「仁义礼智(信)」中,「仁」为什么是核心?具体聊两个话题:1. 在具体实践中,德性常常相伴出现。比如:当你施舍他人,表现出很高的「仁」,你也会对他人有一定的「礼」。2. 有观点认为,「仁」比其他德性更核心或更基础。 朱熹提出,我们可以通过思考四时的统一,以及春季在四时中的中心地位,来理解德性的统一和仁德的核心。我们会梳理这些思想,并介绍时令的类比。这些内容都出自儒家传统中最深刻的哲学家之一:朱熹。时间轴0:00 Part I -- 为什么对朱熹感兴趣0:22 介绍朱熹与宋明理学5:52介绍德性的统一 the unity of the virtues15:44 Part II -- 朱熹论德性的统一15:45 具体实践中德性相伴展现 Unity asco-instantiation20:15非对称依存:其他德性对仁的依赖大于仁对其他德性的依赖 Asymmetrical dependence:other virtues depend on humaneness more than the reverse26:05 仁与春天的气象 humaneness (ren) and thatspringtime feeling28:10 节选I:四时的统一 the unity of the fourseasons39:20 朱熹的论证与亚里士多德的不同 How Zhu Xi's arguments for unity differ from Aristotle's47:44 既然德性相互依赖,为什么仁更加「核心」?All the virtues depend oneach other, so why is humaneness more "central" than the others?49:38 节选II:仁的自然生发 natural outgrowths of humaneness (ren)58:28 关怀德性是否会妨碍其他德性?Can virtuous careinterfere with the other virtues?1:08:44完全依存与部分依存 Total vs. partial dependence1:12:03 Richard质询Justin关于以关怀为中心的德性观 the care-centeredness of virtue1:22:14 结语重点讨论段落节选I:四时之统一如春夏秋冬,须看他四时界限,又却看春如何包得三时。四时之气,温凉寒热,凉与寒既不能生物,夏气又热,亦非生物之时。惟春气温厚,乃见天地生物之心。到夏是生气之长,秋是生气之敛,冬是生气之藏。若春无生物之意,后面三时都无了。此仁所以包得义礼智也,明道所以言义礼智皆仁也。若春无生物之意,后面三时都无了。此仁所以包得义礼智也。(朱子语类 [The Classified Sayings of Master Zhu] 18.107; English translation slightly modified from Angleand Tiwald’s translation)节选II:仁的自然生发仁,便是个温和底意思;义,便是惨烈刚断底意思;礼,便是宣着发挥底意思;智,便是个收敛无痕迹底意思。性中有此四者,圣门却只以求仁为急者,缘仁却是四者之先。若常存得温厚底意思在这里,到宣着发挥时,便自然会宣着发挥;到刚断时,便自然会刚断;到收敛时,便自然会收敛。若将别个做主,便都对副不着了。此仁之所以包四者也。(朱子语类 [The Classified Sayings of Master Zhu] 5.77;English version: Tiwald’s translation for the show)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Zhu Xi 朱熹 (1130-1200CE)Thomas Aquinas (circa 1225-1274)Owen Flanagan, Varieties of Moral PersonalityThe Cheng brothers:程颢 (1032–1085);程颐 (1033–1107)Chen Chun 陈淳 (1159-1223)phronēsis (亚里士多德的实践智慧)Mencius 2A2 拔苗助长Analects 3.4 丧,与其易也,宁戚Javert (雨果《悲惨世界》中的极端守法人物)David Sipfle (Carleton学院极其严格但卓越的哲学教师)Lee Yearley (Stanford Religious Studies scholar who is sparing with praise)Chenyang Li, Reshaping Confucianism (chapter two argues that for Confucians, all virtues are “care-centered”)Justin Tiwald, “How Care is the Central Notion for Virtue” (the paper that Justin mentions inthe episode — as of May 5, 2025, it’s just a draft under review)Philip J. Ivanhoe, Zhu Xi: Selected Writings关键字词中英对照四端德性:仁义礼智(信): humaneness (仁), righteousness (义), ritual propriety (礼), wisdom (智) , reliability or faithfulness (信)仁 “humaneness” (the most centralor fundamental virtue, also sometimes translated as “benevolence” or“humanity”)包 (to embrace, to include)爱 (care)生 (life, growth, development, procreation)生生不息 (ceaseless mutual life generativity)自然 (naturally, spontaneously)特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep18 朱熹与「理」:宋明理学的形而上学
船的本性是更容易在水上行驶,如果硬要拖着它走在路上,反而费力又不合适。为什么船有这样的特性?从事物的本性到人之价值、人生意义等诸多方面,朱熹认为,要解释这些事实,我们必须假定有一种无形的实体或根源——「理」 (Pattern)。儒家哲学中许多技术性、系统性的理论,实际上是在宋代之后,由更为精深的思想家们逐步发展出来的。本期播客着重讨论「新儒家」思想家中的杰出代表——朱熹关于「理」的形而上学思想,并邀请到Stephen C.Angle教授 参与讨论。本期包括: 朱熹怎么看对事实与价值的区分 整体主义与个人主义伦理路径的对比 朱熹世界观中对于类似宗教信仰的态度(以及他为什么不认同)时间轴0:00 Part 1 —— 预告 Ep20「儒学🆚佛学」的辩论(线下录制!)10:57今日主题引言:什么是「宋明理学/新儒家」?15:54 Part 2 —— 朱熹的形而上学15:55介绍嘉宾Stephen Angle22:50宋明理学概述27:24朱熹对「理」的阐释30:33节选自《大学或问》31:39使人信服「理」的原因是什么?What would motivate someone to believe in Pattern?35:25「穷理」的目标是否完全服从于伦理的目的? Is the goal of "understanding Pattern" wholly subordinate to ethical goals?40:01通过「格物」发现「理」42:12为什么「理」不止是人造的产物?Why Patterns aren't just products of human artifice45:27 朱熹整体论:「理一而分殊」54:35为什么不能仅凭内省而得到「理」?Why we can't just grasp Pattern through introspection56:59 「理」与「气」的关系1:02:45「理」是否具有因果作用?Does Pattern have causal power?1:05:11「理」使万物可为人知、可被解释Pattern makes things intelligible and explainable to humans1:07:49关于「理」的发现:直接法与间接法的争论 Debates about direct vs. indirect methods of discovering Pattern1:09:18 为什么「理」必须内在——自然性,诚意和知行转化的可能性 Why Patterns must be internal --naturalness and the possibility of wholehearted and transformative knowledge1:14:15信仰「理」是否需要宗教信仰?Does belief in Pattern require religious faith?1:24:56嘉宾结尾答问重点讨论段落朱熹对「理」的定义:至于天下之物、则必各有所以然之故、与其所当然之则。所谓理也。(Some Questions on theGreater Learning [大学或问] A/512; Angle and Tiwald’s translation)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, andWay 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Stephen C. Angle (more about him and his research)The Pursuit of Happyness 电影《当幸福来敲门》(film with Will Smith)Neo-Confucianism (宋明理学)ZhuXi 朱熹 (1130-1200CE)Medieval philosophers outside of China: St. Anselm, Augustine, Duns Scotus, Thomas Aquinas, Moses Maimonides, Averroes, and AvicennaStephen C. Angle, Growing Moral: A Confucian Guide to LifeStephen C. Angle and Yutang Jin, Progressive Confucianism and its CriticsStephen C. Angle and Justin Tiwald, Neo-Confucianism: A Philosophical IntroductionDai Zhen 戴震 (1724-1777, later critic of ZhuXi)Chen Lai 陈来, 朱熹哲学研究 (Research on the Philosophy of Zhu Xi)Wang Yangming 王阳明 (1472–1529)Stephen C. Angle, Sagehood“Wholeheartedness criterion”(discussed in Steve’s and Justin’s Neo-Confucianism and Justin’s article, “Confucianism and Neo-Confucianism“)Søren Kierkegaard (1813–1855)(the name from which the adjective “Kierkegaardian” is derived, as in “Kierkegaardian faith”)Pascal’s WagerAnalects 11.12 「未知生,焉知死?」Daniel Gardner, translator, Learning To Be a Sage (translates many of Zhu Xi’s comments on reverential attention)关键名词中英对照Pattern (理), also translated as “principle“格物 (“investigating things,”“getting a handle on things”)生意 (“life impulse”)理一分殊 (“Pattern is one, but itsmanifestations are many”)天理 (Cosmic Pattern, HeavenlyPattern)敬 (“reverential attention”)气 (vital stuff, “ch’i“)太极 (Supreme Pivot, Great Ultimate)特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft andWay 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep17 墨子:自然状态论
墨子认为人类在政治秩序建立之前的生活是怎样的?人们又是如何走出那种状态的?本期播客,我们将通过《墨子·尚同》里的「自然状态论」(state of nature argument) 讨论这个问题。作为历史上最早的结果主义者(consequentialists),墨家于政治社会与政府根基的观点到底对不对?本期将包括:墨家最重要的道德和政治思想道德分歧和个人利益如何塑造政治秩序时间轴Chapters0:00 Part I – 聊了聊长途飞行和倒时差 *8:48 今日话题导入20:04 Part II – 墨家和「自然状态论」Mohism and the state of nature24:43 第一步:诊断 The diagnosis28:42 第二步:解决办法 The solution35:38 规范上的分歧真的足以导致家庭解体吗?Can disagreements about norms really account for the dissolution of families?41:38 统一规范 Unifying norms45:33 基于私利的不和 vs. 基于伦理分歧的不和 Disharmony based in self-interest vs. disharmony based in ethical disagreement52:55 墨家对人性心理的理解 The Mohist understanding of human psychology53:56 墨家对于可接受规范的灵活度如何? How flexible are the Mohists about acceptable norms?57:03 谁来选择天子?是天下之人,还是天命? Who chooses the Son of Heaven? The people of the world? Heaven?1:12:43 除了统一的规范,是否存在判断其善恶的基础?这一基础是什么?In addition to having norms that are unified, is there a basis for determining whether they are good or bad? What is that basis?重点讨论段落《墨子·尚同》篇开头对“无尚同”时社会混乱状态的描述。第一步:诊断子墨子言曰:「古者民始生,未有刑政之时,盖其语『人异义』。是以一人则一义,二人则二义,十人则十义,其人兹众,其所谓义者亦兹众。是以人是其义,以非人之义,故文相非也。是以内者父子兄弟作怨恶,离散不能相和合。天下之百姓,皆以水火毒药相亏害,至有余力不能以相劳,腐臭余财不以相分,隐匿良道不以相教,天下之乱,若禽兽然。」第二步:解决办法「夫明乎天下之所以乱者,生于无政长。是故选天下之贤可者,立以为天子。天子立,以其力为未足,又选择天下之贤可者,置立之以为三公。天子三公既已立,以天下为博大,远国异土之民,是非利害之辩,不可一二而明知,故画分万国,立诸侯国君。诸侯国君既已立,以其力为未足,又选择其国之贤可者,置立之以为正长。」English version: Mozi, chapter 11(“Obeying One’s Superior”), Philip J. Ivanhoe’s translation目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Upin the Air 《在云端》(2009 film)Mohism 墨家兼愛, “impartial caring” 「无差别的爱」stateof nature arguments 自然状态论证Thomas Hobbes 托马斯·霍布斯JohnLocke 约翰·洛克Jean Jacques Rousseau 让-雅克·卢梭Xunzi 荀子consequentialism 结果主义三公,这里指君主选拔出来的三位最重要的辅佐大臣规谏,“remonstrate,” “remonstration”Alasdair MacIntyre, After VirtueChapter12 of the Mozi (the second version of “Obeying One’s Superior”)Chapter13 of the Mozi (the third version of “Obeying One’s Superior,” which arguably suggests that the people of the world choose the Son of Heaven)Chris Fraser, The Philosophy of the MòzǐSun Yirang 孫詒讓, Qing-dynasty Mozi commentatorBryanVan Norden, Virtue Ethics and Consequentialism in Early Chinese PhilosophyHuiChieh Loy, “A Theological Voluntarist Consequentialism in the Mozi“The Euthyphro problem (closely connected to the Euthyphro dilemma)*本信息不构成医疗建议,具体诊疗请遵医嘱。如需医疗服务,请咨询专业医生。在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep16 庄子无用论
为什么山里的树,因为没有用处,所以能一直活到老;而主人家的大雁,因为不会叫,却被宰了?本期播客,我们聊聊庄子的「无用之用」。 为什么有些东西看起来没什么用,却反而很重要? 到底是什么决定了事物的「有用」或「无用」?难道这只是看问题的角度不同吗? 庄子似乎建议我们在某种意义上应当「无用」?这是否意味着价值具有某种现实性或客观性?我们邀请到了庄子研究专家 Chris Fraser 一起来聊聊这一有趣的话题。时间轴0:00 Part I – 聊了聊 AI 在哲学中的应用8:15 今日话题和嘉宾简介9:25 Part II – 庄子无用论9:27 介绍嘉宾 Chris Fraser12:47「大树与无用之用」18:41 有用和无用的转变有多灵活?The pliability of use and usefulness23:19 庄子用词中的「无用」、「大」、「用」 Uselessness, largeness, and "use" (or lack thereof) of Zhuangzi's words29:48 「杀不鸣之雁」34:33 为什么庄子反对固定标准?顺着「道」走真的比单靠技巧更好吗? Against fixed standards (how following thedao goes beyond skill)43:34 对庄子来说,「活着」是不是有特殊意义? Is staying alive a special value in some sense (for Zhuangzi)?47:42 庄子的建议会不会太空泛了? Is Zhuangzi's advice too lacking in substance?59:20 《庄子》是不是其实也在讲价值的客观性? Doesthe Zhuangzi implicitly appeal to objective values?1:04:16 如果有人不认同「顺道而行」的道德观,庄子会怎么回应? How the Zhuangzi handles people who reject theethic of "following dao well"1:10:14 关于道家「和谐」到底靠什么,有哪些让人担心的地方? Some worries about the normative basis for Daoist harmony1:16:28 结尾嘉宾问答 Closing question for our guest重点讨论段落「大树与无用之用」惠子谓庄子曰:「吾有大树,人谓之樗。其大本拥肿而不中绳墨,其小枝卷曲而不中规矩,立之涂,匠者不顾。今子之言,大而无用,众所同去也。」庄子曰:「子独不见狸狌乎?卑身而伏,以候敖者;东西跳梁,不避高下;中于机辟,死于罔罟。今夫斄牛,其大若垂天之云。此能为大矣,而不能执鼠。今子有大树,患其无用,何不树之于无何有之乡,广莫之野,仿徨乎无为其侧,逍遥乎寝卧其下?不夭斤斧,物无害者,无所可用,安所困苦哉!」「不鸣之雁」庄子行于山中,见大木,枝叶盛茂,伐木者止其旁而不取也。问其故。曰:「无所可用。」庄子曰:「此木以不材得终其天年。」夫子出于山,舍于故人之家。故人喜,命竖子杀雁而烹之。竖子请曰:「其一能鸣,其一不能鸣,请奚杀?」主人曰:「杀不能鸣者。」明日,弟子问于庄子曰:「昨日山中之木,以不材得终其天年;今主人之鴈,以不材死。先生将何处?」庄子笑曰:「周将处夫材与不材之间。材与不材之间,似之而非也,故未免乎累。若夫乘道德而浮游则不然。无誉无訾,一龙一蛇,与时俱化,而无肯专为;一上一下,以和为量,浮游乎万物之祖;物物而不物于物,则胡可得而累邪!此黄帝、神农之法则也。若夫万物之情,人伦之传,则不然。合则离,成则毁,廉则挫,尊则议,有为则亏,贤则谋,不肖则欺,胡可得而必乎哉?悲夫!弟子志之,其唯道德之乡乎!」(English version: Zhuangzi, chapter 1 & 20, Chris Fraser’s translation)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, andWay 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料The Wenzi 文子 (non-canonical Daoist text)Garry Kasparov (chessgrandmaster who lost to a supercomputer)Zhuangzi:The Complete Writings (Fraser’s translation ofthe Zhuangzi)Chris Fraser, Zhuangzi:Ways of Wandering the Way (see especially chapter8)Huizi 惠子 / Hui Shi 惠施 (Zhuangzi’sfriend)庖丁解牛 The Cook Ding story (in Zhuangzi,chapter 3)庄子见骷髅 The skull passage (in Zhuangzi,chapter 18)朝三暮四 The monkey-trainer passage (inZhuangzi, chapter 2)颜阖将傅卫灵公大子 Yan He is assigned to tutor a vicious crown prince (in Zhuangzi, chapter 4)惠子与大瓠Huizi’s giant gourds (inZhuangzi, chapter 1)Zhuangzi: A New Translation of the Sayings of Master Zhuang as Interpreted by Guo Xiang (translation of the Guo Xiang commentary by Richard John Lynn)特别鸣谢Richard Kim's websites Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:RichardKim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep15 论语中的礼
礼在儒家思想中占据着无可撼动的核心地位,但究竟为什么礼如此重要?在本期节目中,我们将聚焦于《论语》3.17,讨论孔子为何似乎坚持维护一项连弟子都觉得过于繁复的祭羊之礼。我们将结合 Richard Wollheim 的论文 "The Sheep and the Ceremony" ,讨论这一片段以及更广泛的礼仪价值,包括: 礼是否具有内在价值 礼能否被视为美好人生不可或缺的组成部分 儒家为何如此重视礼的实践时间轴0:00 Part I -- 聊了聊各自的 religious autobiography25:10 今天主题的前言25:52 Part II -- 《论语》中的礼26:40 儒家认为的礼的价值(工具性与非工具性)The value of rituals for Confucians (instrumental and non-instrumental)30:13 《论语》3.1734:16 孔子是否真的主张保留祭羊之礼? Does Confucius actually maintain that the lamb sacrifice should be preserved?38:20 如果这种礼值得保留,是否需要一个把它视为有意义、有价值的社群? If the ritual is worth preserving, does it require acommunity that sees it as meaningful and valuable?39:50 保留「被掏空」的版本的礼有什么意义?What is the point in preserving the "hollowed out" version of the ritual?41:10 礼的表达价值是否类似于艺术的表达价值?Is the expressive value of ritual analogous to the expressive value of art?53:01 出席葬礼的最终或内在价值 The final or intrinsic value of showing up at a funeral56:00 表达尊重(问候礼)的最终或内在价值 The final or intrinsic value of showing respect (greeting rituals)58:09 表达价值的主观主义与客观主义基础 Subjectivist vs. objectivist bases of expressive value1:06:03 人们倾向于用礼的工具性来加以辩护 The tendency to be drawn to instrumental justifications of ritual1:12:22 结尾的思考:未来对儒家与礼的进一步讨论重点讨论段落子贡欲去告朔之饩羊。子曰:「赐也,尔爱其羊,我爱其礼。」(English version: Analects3.17, Edward Slingerland’stranslation)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Elizabeth AnscombeCharles TaylorAlasdair MacIntyreThe Isaiah House of Southern California(and the Southern California Catholic Worker Movement)Dorothy Day, The Long LonelinessPantheism 泛神论The Ethics of BeliefThe New Atheism Movement 新无神论运动 (whose major representatives include Richard Dawkins)R.M.(“Richard”) HarePascal’s WagerDavid LewisAnalects 12.1 克己复礼为仁Kwong-loi Shun, “Ren 仁 and Li 礼 in the Analects”(强调并尝试改进对“仁”的“定义主义解读”)Richard Wollheim, “The Sheep and the Ceremony,” a chapter in Wollheim’s The Mind and Its DepthsZhuXi 朱熹 (1130—1200)(所提及的传统注释者之一)Xing Bing 邢昺 (932-1010)(另一位被提及的传统注释者)Analects 10.20 君赐食atelic value, atelic activities 非目的性价值、非目的性活动Herbert Fingarette, Confucius—The Secular as Sacredbehaviorism行为主义“volunteerism” vs. “realism”/”objectivism” 「意志主义」与「现实主义/客观主义」 (Wollheim’s terms)The objective list theory of well-being 福祉的客观清单理论The hedonistic theory of well-being 享乐主义的福祉理论Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Emile, or On Education 让-雅克·卢梭,《爱弥儿》特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep14 论语中的女性:性别与争议
在现存的《论语》版本中,可以明显看到孔子的弟子都是男性。因此,有人会疑问:「这种伦理只适用于男性吗?」本期播客我们很高兴邀请到了乔治城大学Tagliabue 教授 Erin Cline,与我们一起讨论这个具有现实意义的话题。我们将重点关注《论语》中唯一被点名的女性「南子」,及其涉及的一段颇具争议的记载。Cline教授认为,传统对这段记载的解读是错误的,而更合理的理解有助于回应大家对《论语》中父权和性别歧视的常见批评。我们还会探讨关于《论语》教学的不同主题和教学方法。欢迎查阅Erin Cline教授的简介及出版著作列表。时间轴0:00 Part I – 聊了聊哲学教授的暑假以及deadline11:24 今日主题前言14:32 Part II -- 《论语》中的女性:以南子为例14:33 嘉宾介绍:Erin Cline教授15:51 Cline 教授创新性的《论语》教学方法29:02 一种对《论语》较少性别歧视和父权色彩的解读 A somewhatless sexist and patriarchal rendering of the Analects33:56 关于南子的记载(《论语》6.28)36:54 传统如何诋毁和误解南子 How thetradition came to slander and mis-characterize Nanzi38:23 一个(泰勒·斯威夫特式)爱情三角 A (Swiftian) love triangle45:19 Cline 教授对南子及孔子为何见她的解读Cline's interpretation of Nanzi and Confucius's reasons for meeting with her48:43 用想象力重建古代历史 Using imagination in reconstructions of ancient history59:00 结尾对嘉宾的提问重点讨论段落子见南子,子路不说。夫子矢之曰:「予所否者,天厌之!天厌之!」(Englishv ersion: Analects 6.28, from Erin Cline’s forthcoming translation, to be published by W.W. Norton & Company)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Evelyn Waugh, Brideshead RevisitedNanzi南子, 论语中唯一有名字的女性Erin Cline, TheAnalects: A GuideThorian Harris, “MoralPerfection as the Counterfeit of Virtue”(认为早期儒家并不把道德完美视为道德理想——请参见本文中的引文,提及孔子自述的缺点和不足。)Emily Wilson’s translations of the Iliad and the Odyssey (texts traditionally attributed to Homer)Analects 8.20 「才难,不其然乎?唐虞之际,于斯为盛。有妇人焉,九人而已。」(在这么盛世的时代,贤才本来很多,但其中还有一位是女性,所以“九人而已”,即真正的贤臣只有九位。or (即使)在那时候,还有女性贤才,虽然只有九人,但已属难得和珍贵。)Zilu子路 (孔子较为著名的弟子之一)DukeLing of Wey (Wei) 衛靈公 (很可能是南子的丈夫)SongChao 宋朝 (一位英俊男子,一些后来的史学家和评论者认为他曾与南子有染)KuaiKuei 蒯聵 (卫灵公的儿子)Mizi Xia彌子瑕 (卫灵公的臣子,可能也是他的情人)Olivia Milburn, “Gender, Sexuality, and Power in Early China: TheChanging Biographies of Lord Ling of Wei and Lady Nanzi”(描述了后世儒家史学中关于卫灵公和南子的记载如何不断变化)Analects 5.1 「子谓公冶长,『可妻也』。」孔子谈到公冶长,说:“他可以把女儿嫁给他。虽然他现在被关在监狱里,但那并不是他的罪过。”于是就把自己的女儿嫁给了公冶长。Mary MagdaleneThe Daodejing 道德經“The Gospel of Matthew”“TheChosen” (television show)特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep13 孔孟:亲亲相隐
儒家常被指「重亲轻公」,而今日不少法域承认的「近亲属拒绝作证权」,面对不利于至亲的证词,法律允许家属选择不作证。本期我们回到两段最具争议的章句,重新审视这个判断,探讨正义、后果主义伦理学以及道德困境的本质,看看亲情与公义之间,儒家究竟如何取舍。 《论语·宪问》13.18「直躬」一节,孔子主张父子之间应相互隐瞒对方的罪行,“直在其中”。 《孟子·尽心上》7A35提出极端设问:若圣王舜之父杀人,舜当如何?孟子的回答是:舜会让出王位、逃匿,并终身奉养其父。时间轴0:00 Part I 聊了聊 Adaptive preferences 适应性偏好(人们会因为环境不好,而降低自己的期望)和 Memento mori 记住你会死7:50 今日主题引入11:28 Part II --亲亲相隐 Family Before State13:14 《论语·宪问》(13.18):直躬35:11 《孟子·尽心上》(7A35):舜舍天下以救父41:40 舜舍天下以救父的情境是否被孟子视为真正(强烈且悲剧性)的道德困境? Isthe scenario in 7A35 conceived by Mencius as a true (strong, tragic) moraldilemma?48:15 孟子的建议与结果主义伦理难以调和 Mencius's recommendation is hard to square with consequentialism51:37 关于孝道与“家庭优先”的提问 Closing questions about filial piety and"family first"重点讨论段叶公语孔子曰:「吾党有直躬者,其父攘羊,而子证之。」孔子曰:「吾党之直者异于是。父为子隐,子为父隐,直在其中矣。」(English version: Analects 13.18, Edward Slingerland’stranslation桃应问曰:「舜为天子,皋陶为士,瞽瞍杀人,则如之何?」孟子曰:「执之而已矣。」「然则舜不禁与?」曰:「夫舜恶得而禁之?夫有所受之也。」「然则舜如之何?」曰:「舜视弃天下,犹弃敝蹝也。窃负而逃,遵海滨而处,终身欣然,乐而忘天下。」(English version: Mengzi 7A35, Van Norden’s translation)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。关键词中英文对照孝 (filial piety)直 (upright,uprightness)爱有差等 (care withdistinctions)舜 (legendaryemperor, 孝道典范)利 (benefit,profit, 墨家认为应当最大化的善)仁 (humaneness,benevolence, Goodness)其他参考资料Adaptivepreferences 亲亲相容隐 (also 亲亲相隐, 指家族成员之间可以合法地隐瞒对方的罪行(中国古代法律原则)王阳明, “Questionson the Great Learning” (大学问)第一节(关于对草木和瓦砾的关怀)Plato, Euthyphro柏拉图,《欧绪弗若篇》 Javert 贾维尔(雨果《悲惨世界》中“法律至上”的典型角色) Analects 8.2 (指出正直需要礼来调和) 恭而无礼则劳,慎而无礼则葸,勇而无礼则乱,直而无礼则绞。 Mohists (墨家, 主张“举贤”和“兼爱” “promoting the worthy” and“impartial care”) Yangism (伦理自利主义或私利主义 ethical egoism, maybe privatism, named after杨朱)Stephen C. Angle, Sagehoodand “NoSupreme Principle” (defend the “harmony” reading of putative moral dilemmas 主张通过“和谐”解读道德两难) Consequentialism 结果主义 (认为正确行为应最大化无私、主体中立的善的规范伦理理论 the normative ethical theory that saysthat the right action is the one that maximizes the [impartial, agent-neutral]good) Analects 1.2 孝弟也者,其为仁之本与!特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft andWay 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep12 庄子:游戏人生
游(游戏)似乎是充盈人生不可或缺的一部分。大多数人都在简单的童年捉迷藏,或更具智性的棋类、围棋等活动中体验到游的乐趣。「游」的经验有一个共同点:它们总被某些界限、规则所环绕,限定了发生的时间、地点与环境。但如果我们把游的心态,推广到更广阔的生活之中,会怎样呢?我们邀请到了圣路易斯大学 (SaintLouis University) 中国思想专家PaulineLee 教授,以《庄子·逍遥游》第一章中著名的「大瓠之喻」为核心,深入探讨「游戏」的哲学意义。点击此处,查阅Pauline Lee教授的简介及其学术著作。时间轴0:00 Part I 聊了聊 哲学教授的 guilty pleasure10:21 今日话题简介12:10 Part II 庄子论「游」Zhuangzi's playfulness, Zhuangzi on play12:10介绍嘉宾 Prof Pauline Lee16:22 介绍庄子的「游」26:06 《逍遥游》惠子与大瓠30:37 「有用」与范畴的灵活性 Usefulness and categorical flexibility52:41 如何实现相关的灵活性:找到「中心」、安处其中,以及非工具性地看待事物的价值 How to achieve the relevant sort of flexibility: finding a center, resting, and valuing things non-instrumentally1:00:20 「朝三暮四」寓言1:07:29 道枢(即「道的枢纽」)The axis/pivot of the Way1:14:39将「游戏」或「游」的观念扩展到整个人生 Broadening the sense of play to cover one's life in general1:27:18 提问嘉宾环节重点讨论段落 「大瓠之喻」The gourd passage惠子谓庄子曰:「魏王贻我大瓠之种,我树之成而实五石,以盛水浆,其坚不能自举也。剖之以为瓢,则瓠落无所容。非不呺然大也,吾为其无用而掊之。」庄子曰:「夫子固拙于用大矣。宋人有善为不龟手之药者,世世以洴澼絖为事。客闻之,请买其方百金。聚族而谋曰:『我世世为洴澼絖,不过数金;今一朝而鬻技百金,请与之。』客得之,以说吴王。越有难,吴王使之将。冬,与越人水战,大败越人,裂地而封之。能不龟手一也,或以封,或不免于洴澼絖,则所用之异也。今子有五石之瓠,何不虑以为大樽而浮乎江湖,而忧其瓠落无所容?则夫子犹有蓬之心也夫!」(English version: Zhuangzi, chapter 1, Burton Watson’s translation)「朝三暮四」 段落里的最后一句话;也可重温Ep1道家:逍遥episode名实未亏,而喜怒为用,亦因是也。是以圣人和之以是非,而休乎天钧,是之谓两行。(English version: Zhuangzi, chapter 2, BrookZiporyn’s translation)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。一些些照片Pauline Lee的奥运时代(摄于1987年美国滑冰锦标赛)Pauline Lee与1988年牙买加雪车队会面的纪念品花样滑冰选手Debi Thomas在冰上旋转的照片(1991年毕业于斯坦福大学,1988年冬奥会铜牌得主)。她曾谈到,当自己真正「找到身体的中心」时,动作就会变得格外轻盈、流畅。其他参考资料Pauline C. Lee, “Zhuangziat Play 遊” (draft from February 9, 2024)Abraham Verghese, The Covenant of WaterThomas Pynchon (author)Haruki Murakami 村上 春樹 (author)Robin Hobb, Liveship Traders (book series)Robert Graves, I, ClaudiusMadeline Miller, TheSong of Achilles李贽 (Ming-dynastyphilosopher)-Lee’s book on Li Zhi, LiZhi, Confucianism, and the Virtue of DesireCool Runnings 冰上轻驰 (电影)Eddie the Eagle (Michael David Edwards, British ski jumper…there's filmafilm on him too)Johan Huizinga, HomoLudens: A Study of the Play-Element in Culture (on the magic circle)Edward Slingerland, TryingNot to Try (presents Huizi and Zhuangzi as exemplifying “categorical inflexibility” and “categorical flexibility, "respectively)The Windsor Pumpkin Regatta (they can serveas watercraft)Iris Murdoch, TheSovereignty of the Good“The Bell Stand Maker” (“WoodcarverQing,” Zhuangzi, chapter 19)Li Zhi, “On the Childlike Mind” (translated by Lee in thisbook)Helen De Cruz and Pauline Lee, “Howto Be Useless”Tianjun 天鈞,“Heaven the potter’s wheel”Liangxing 兩行,“walking two roads”Thi C. Nguyen, Games:Agency as ArtDaoshu 道樞 (The axis of the Way, the pivot of the Way)The Mozi, “Against Fate” (passage on the danger oftrying to establish standards “on a spinning potter’s wheel”)Mengsun Cai 孟孫才 (ch.6, section 7, the “ideal” mourner who doesn’t actually feel sad about the people he’s mourning)David Nivision, The Ways of Confucianism (seechapter 7 on the continuities between Zhuangzi and Xunzi)特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft andWay 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep11 道德经:无为
「无为」这一概念,常被翻译为「不作为」或「顺其自然而为」,是中国古代哲学中的核心思想。然而,「无为」到底是什么意思?它对我们的生活有什么影响?如果要无为,人为什么还要行动?人做事的目的和想法又是什么呢?我们将通过分析《道德经》中的重要章节,来探讨这些问题时间轴0:00 Part I 「其实我们有一个讨论专栏」这里提到的live show 将会是Ep20, stay tuned!4:17 今日话题简介11:39 Part II 《道德经》中的无为13:21 「无为」的三重含义27:41 《道德经》对人类天性的乐观态度31:00 天下皆知美之为美45:12 道常无为而无不为58:01 无为而无不为1:04:58 论证「无为而无不为」的两种方法重点讨论段落天下皆知美之为美,斯恶已。皆知善之为善,斯不善已。故有无相生,难易相成,长短相较,高下相倾,音声相和,前后相随。是以圣人处无为之事,行不言之教;万物作焉而不辞,生而不有。为而不恃,功成而弗居。夫唯弗居,是以不去。道常无为而无不为。侯王若能守之,万物将自化。化而欲作,吾将镇之以无名之朴。无名之朴,夫亦将无欲。不欲以静,天下将自定。为学日益,为道日损。损之又损,以至于无为。无为而无不为。取天下常以无事,及其有事,不足以取天下。(English version: Daodejing 2,37,48, Philip J. Ivanhoe’stranslation)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Wuwei 无为 (non-action, effortless action, maybe “without deliberate action”)The Daodejing 道德经 (sometimes romanized as Tao Te Ching)The Laozi 老子 (sometimesromanized as Lao Tzu)Scott Cook, The Bamboo Texts of GuodianThe Han Feizi 韩非子 (法家,也讨论无为)Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, Flow:The Psychology of Optimal Experience道德经 60 “治大国若烹小鲜” (“governingthe large state is like cooking a small fish”)Ivanhoe, The Daodejing of Laozi – see the introduction for Ivanhoe’s discussion of theDaoist “primitive agrarian utopia”道德经 80 「小国寡民…… 邻国相望,鸡犬之声相闻,民至老死,不相往来」Unhewn wood (pu 朴)无欲/无欲 (withoutdesire, freedom from desire)Analects 1.15 「如切如磋,如琢如磨」道德经 12 「是以圣人为腹不为目」“the sage is for the belly and not for the eye”「无为而无不为」“one does nothing and yet nothing is left undone”特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep10 孟子:君子远庖厨?
我们如何成为善良的人,又是如何培养德性?本期我们将围绕孟子的道德修养论,重点探讨「思」和「推」等核心概念。我们将以《孟子·梁惠王上》中著名的「齐宣王见牛」故事为切入点,这也是学界广泛讨论的经典片段。我们很荣幸邀请到当代最具影响力的中国哲学研究者之一、著述等身的 Bryan Van Norden 教授与我们对话。欢迎浏览他的主页bryanvannorden.com.时间轴0:00 Part I – 聊了聊香港的饮食文化4:02 引入今天的嘉宾和主题8:37 Part II -- 孟子的道德修养论8:38 介绍嘉宾 Bryan Van Norden17:42 介绍故事「齐宣王见牛」,《孟子·梁惠王上》*25:43文本第一部分33:37文本第二部分41:28文本第三部分45:11 扩展(推)作为情感重塑的方式 Extension as a way of reshaping emotions52:51 对「反省」与「扩展」的简要说明 Quick accounts of reflection (思) and extension (推)55:31 思」的多重含义与内在意蕴(反思、专注、思念)The many senses and connotationsof si 思 (reflection, concentration, longing)1:00:30 孟子论「权衡」事物 Mencius on "weighing" things1:06:06 国王的仁心是「萌芽」还是「幼苗」?Is the king's capacity for humaneness a seedling or an adolescent plant?1:12:19 孟子的道德教育与一般的伦理课程或其他常见方法有何不同?How Mencian moral education differs from an applied ethics course and other familiar models1:25:39 嘉宾问答*23: 08 后时间轴需前提18 秒, It was about "hegemony."重点讨论段落《孟子·梁惠王上》「齐宣王见牛」齐宣王问曰:「齐桓、晋文之事可得闻乎?」 孟子对曰:「仲尼之徒无道桓、文之事者,是以后世无传焉。臣未之闻也。无以,则王乎?」 曰:「德何如,则可以王矣?」 曰:「保民而王,莫之能御也。」 曰:「若寡人者,可以保民乎哉?」 曰:「可。」 曰:「何由知吾可也?」 曰:「臣闻之胡齕曰,王坐于堂上,有牵牛而过堂下者,王见之,曰:『牛何之?』对曰:『将以釁钟。』王曰:『舍之!吾不忍其觳觫,若无罪而就死地。』对曰:『然则废釁钟与?』曰:『何可废也?以羊易之!』不识有诸?」 曰:「有之。」 曰:「是心足以王矣。百姓皆以王为爱也,臣固知王之不忍也。」王曰:「然。诚有百姓者。齐国虽褊小,吾何爱一牛?即不忍其觳觫,若无罪而就死地,故以羊易之也。」 曰:「王无异于百姓之以王为爱也。以小易大,彼恶知之?王若隐其无罪而就死地,则牛羊何择焉?」 王笑曰:「是诚何心哉?我非爱其财。而易之以羊也,宜乎百姓之谓我爱也。」 曰:「无伤也,是乃仁术也,见牛未见羊也。君子之于禽兽也,见其生,不忍见其死;闻其声,不忍食其肉。是以君子远庖厨也。」王说曰:「《诗》云:『他人有心,予忖度之。』夫子之谓也。夫我乃行之,反而求之,不得吾心。夫子言之,于我心有戚戚焉。此心之所以合于王者,何也?」。。。(English version: Mengzi 1A7, Bryan Van Norden’stranslation)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, andWay 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料BIJAS VegetarianRestaurant 港大一家素食餐厅Congee (粥)Justin Tiwald and Bryan W. Van Norden, Readings in Later Chinese PhilosophyBryan W. Van Norden, Classical Chinese for EveryoneReflection (思);Extension (推);Hegemon (霸);King (王);Virtue (德)Hegemonism (霸权主义)巨无霸 (BigMac, whose Chinese translation uses ba 霸, “hegemon”)David Nivison, The Ways of Confucianism (edited by Bryan Van Norden)Mengzi 7A45 亲亲而仁民,仁民而爱物周敦頤 (the Neo-Confucian who refused to cut his grass)Arthur Waley, The Analects of Confucius (discusses 思)Mark Twain, Adventures of Huckleberry FinnYang Zhu 杨朱Mengzi 3A4 劳心者治人Mengzi 2A2 揠苗助长Mengzi 6A10 鱼和熊掌不可兼得特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep9 孟子见孺子将入井:恻隐之心
道德的本质和来源是什么?人类天生就倾向于道德向善吗?孟子认为,人性本有某些道德的「端」(萌芽),这些端点可以经过培养和发展,成长为健全的美德。在本期播客中,我们将探讨孟子关于道德端点的理论,并从哲学和心理学的角度分析这些端存在的依据。孟子「四端」 Moral Sprouts The feeling of compassion [恻隐之心] The feeling of disdain [羞恶之心] The feeling of deference [辞让之心] The feeling of approval and disapproval [是非之心]时间轴0:00 Part I 聊了聊搬家8:47 主题引入18:10 Part II 孟子提出的「四端」18:15 引入「孟子见孺子将入于井」段落19:07 讨论段落 (1)(2)22:57 「义」这一美德是什么? What is this virtue “righteousness”?34:04 讨论段落 (3)36:06 「端」是萌芽状态的,需要被培养和发展 The sprouts are incipient. They need to be developed.38:35 孟子认为,我们内心的道德倾向(或意愿、本能)比我们所意识到的要多 Mencius is demonstrating that we have more moral desires than we realize42:04 「为什么这些道德倾向比其他欲望更为重要?(也就是『我们真正想要的是什么?』)」What makes these moral desires more important than others (“what we really want”)?45:52 人的善就是实现自己的内心愿望吗?Is Mencius suggesting that our good consists in fulfilling our desires?50:23 做人的意义是什么? What is the significance of being human?59:52 道德愿望具有「乍然」发生的特点,有何意义?The significance of the fact that themoral desires are "sudden"1:05:26 情感、认知与智慧 Feelings, cognition, and wisdom1:16:18 「端」作为道德心理的基本要素 The sprouts as moral modules1:24:10 下集我们继续聊孟子:如何培养和提升这些「端」?Preview of the next episode: how do you improve upon the sprouts?重点讨论段落 --《孟子·公孙丑上》恻隐之心孟子曰:「人皆有不忍人之心。先王有不忍人之心,斯有不忍人之政矣。以不忍人之心,行不忍人之政,治天下可运之掌上。」「所以谓人皆有不忍人之心者,今人乍见孺子将入于井,皆有怵惕恻隐之心。非所以内交于孺子之父母也,非所以要誉于乡党朋友也,非恶其声而然也。由是观之,无恻隐之心,非人也;无羞恶之心,非人也;无辞让之心,非人也;无是非之心,非人也。」「恻隐之心,仁之端也;羞恶之心,义之端也;辞让之心,礼之端也;是非之心,智之端也。人之有是四端也,犹其有四体也。有是四端而自谓不能者,自贼者也;谓其君不能者,贼其君者也。凡有四端于我者,知皆扩而充之矣,若火之始然,泉之始达。苟能充之,足以保四海;苟不充之,不足以事父母。」(English version: Mengzi 2A6, slightly modified from Bryan Van Norden’s translation)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Hallgeir Sjåstad and Roy F. Baumeister, “The Future and the Will: Planning requires self-control, and ego depletion leads toplanning aversion” (influential article on “decision fatigue”)子思 (perhaps Mencius’s teacher)Inglorious Basterds (《无耻混蛋》,昆汀·塔伦蒂诺,2009)Philippa Foot (一位我们最近经常提及的哲学家)Eirik Lang Harris, “The Nature of the Virtues in Light of the Early Confucian Tradition” (response to Foot on behalf of Confucian virtue theory)Philip J. Ivanhoe, “Confucian Self Cultivation and Mengzi’s Notion of Extension” (chapter 8 of this book)Franklin Perkins, Doing What You Really WantYong HUANG, Why Be Moral?Mencius 6A6 on 「性善」Daniel Kahneman, Thinking Fast and Slow (source of the phrases “system 1” and “system 2” to refer to different kinds of thinking)Richard Kim, Confucianism and the Philosophy of Well-BeingMartha Nussbaum, Upheavals of ThoughtOwen Flanagan, The Geography of Morals (see chapters 3-5 on the moral sprouts and moral modules)Jonathan Haidt, Moral FoundationsTheory特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep8 儒家:己所不欲,勿施于人
在很多文化和宗教传统中,都有类似于「己所不欲,勿施于人」的道德准则,西方常把这种原则称为「黄金法则(the Golden Rule)」。本期播客,我们会结合两段《论语》原文,解读这句话在儒家伦理中的地位:它在现实生活中的实际用法它和自我中心倾向的关系普通人和圣人面对这条原则时,是否有不同的做法?时间轴0:00 Part I -- 引言15:08 今日主题25:25 Part II -- 同理心与 「己所不欲,勿施于人 」Empathy and the Golden Rule25:26 同理心:换位思考 + 关怀 "Empathy": perspective-taking+ care29:10 介绍论语里有关「己所不欲,勿施于人 」的两个段落31:31 《论语·颜渊》「己所不欲,勿施于人」34:46 《论语·雍也》 「己欲立而立人,己欲达而达人」(对圣人)39:46 这条原则真的需要换位思考吗? Does the Golden Rule really require perspective-taking?42:31 这条原则是否旨在为我们提供具体的行为规范?Is the Golden Rule supposed to provide us with specific rules of behavior?45:28 这条原则在多大程度上理想化了欲望主体的愿望? How much idealization of the desirer does the Golden Rule presuppose?54:00 同理心如何让我们与自身的欲望和情感保持距离 How empathy distances us from our own desires and emotions1:00:12 有意努力的同理心 vs. 自发的同理心 Deliberate and effortful empathy vs. automatic empathy1:03:18 自发同理心 vs. 基于义务的同理心(「命令式」同理心) Automatic empathy vs. empathy done out of a sense of duty ("imperative")1:04:38 后世对儒家经典的「细读」如何引发对不同类型同理心的细致分析? How later "close readings" of Confucian classics gave rise to these fine-grained analyses of different types of empathy1:09:39 在某些情况下,基于义务的行动是否更好或更有品德? Are there cases in which it is better or more virtuous to act out of a sense of duty?1:12:24 以自我为中心的同理心 vs. 以他人为中心的同理心 Self-focused vs. other-focused empathy1:19:41朱熹为何认为以他人为中心的同理心更有道德? Why Zhu Xi thinks other-focused empathy is more virtuous (some arguments)1:33:22 戴震为何将完全有德的同理心界定为以自我为中心? Why Dai Zhen characterized fully virtuous empathy as self-focused重点讨论段落子贡问曰:「有一言而可以终身行之者乎?」子曰:「其恕乎!己所不欲,勿施于人。」(English version: Analects 15.24, Edward Slingerland’s translation)子贡曰:「如有博施于民而能济众,何如?可谓仁乎?」子曰:「何事于仁,必也圣乎!尧舜其犹病诸!夫仁者,己欲立而立人,己欲达而达人。能近取譬,可谓仁之方也已。」(English version: Analects 6.30, Edward Slingerland’s translation, slightly modified)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Zina Hitz, Lost in Thought 安全感Charles Mingus (爵士音乐人)Dai Zhen 戴震 (later Confucian philosopher, for whom empathy is a central value and notion)The Hong Kong Ethics Lab (our sponsor)Analects 4.15 「夫子之道,忠恕而已矣。」Martha Nussbaum, Upheavals of Thought (on compassion, empathy, and the example of the sadist’s “empathy”)David Nivison, “Golden Rule Arguments in Chinese Philosophy,” in The Ways of ConfucianismBryan Van Norden, “Unweaving the ‘One Thread’ of Analects 4:15”Lao Siguang 劳思光,新编中国哲学史 vol. 3 (gives the “eating spicy foods” example in applying the Golden Rule)朱熹, 四书或问Edith Stein, On the Problem of EmpathyDavid Foster Wallace, “This is Water”Einfühlung (German word that is sometimes said to be the first to refer to modern “empathy”)Analects 5.12 「我不欲人之加诸我也,吾亦欲无加诸人。」Mengzi 7A4The Cheng brothers (Cheng Hao 程颢 and Cheng Yi 程颐)Ezra Stotland, “Exploratory Investigations in Empathy” (coined the phrases “imagine-self empathy” and “imagine-other empathy”)Two of Justin’s articles on Neo-Confucian distinctions between types of empathy:• “Zhu Xi on Self-Focused vs. Other-Focused Empathy”• “Sympathyand Perspective-Taking in Confucian Ethics”Yang Shi 杨时 (the Neo-Confucian who over-emphasizes mystical oneness)Justin Tiwald, “Dai Zhen on Sympathetic Concern”特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep7 庄子:庖丁解牛
某些寓言和神话蕴含着深刻的哲学洞见。在西方,柏拉图的《洞穴寓言》以其对知识追求以及幻象与现实区分的精彩展现,在哲学史上占据着关键地位。在东亚,庄子的「庖丁解牛」故事,二千多年来一直作为道家「道」之观念的令人难忘且惊人的阐释之一。本期节目我们非常荣幸邀请到 Karyn Lai 教授,共同探讨《庄子》中的这段精彩篇章在对话过程中,我们讨论了若干问题,包括: 庖丁的技艺「进乎技」究竟意味着什么? 这真的是「无为而为」的例证吗?具体而言,它真的「无为」吗? 当君主说自己从庖丁那里学到了「养生之道」时,作者是在嘲讽君主吗?Lai 教授也是 Peter Adamson 教授的知名播客 《History of Philosophy Without Gaps》 中「中国古代哲学」部分的合著者。也可以在此处了解Lai教授及其诸多著作的更多信息。核心讨论段落 :《庄子· 庖丁解牛》庖丁为文惠君解牛,手之所触,肩之所倚,足之所履,膝之所踦,砉然向然,奏刀霍然,莫不中音。合于《桑林》之舞,乃中《经首》之会。文惠君曰:「嘻!善哉!技盖至此乎?」庖丁释刀对曰:「臣之所好者道也,进乎技矣。始臣之解牛之时,所见无非牛者。三年之后,未尝见全牛也。方今之时,臣以神遇,而不以目视,官知止而神欲行。依乎天理,批大隙,导大窾,因其固然。技经肯綮之未尝,而况大骨乎!良庖岁更刀,割也;族庖月更刀,折也。今臣之刀十九年矣,所解数千牛矣,而刀刃若新发于硎。彼节者有间,而刀刃者无厚,以无厚入有间,恢恢乎其于游刃必有余地矣,是以十九年而刀刃若新发于硎。虽然,每至于族,吾见其难为,怵然为戒,视为止,行为迟。动刀甚微,霍然已解,如土委地。提刀而立,为之四顾,为之踌躇满志,善刀而藏之。」文惠君曰:「善哉!吾闻庖丁之言,得养生焉。」(English version: Zhuangzi, ch. 3, PaulKjellberg’s translation)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, andWay 网站参与讨论。时间轴0:00 Part I – 导言12:26 介绍嘉宾和主题16:43 Part II --《庄子· 庖丁解牛》16:44 介绍嘉宾 Karyn Lai18:35 Justin 预告庖丁解牛篇21:18 Justin 朗读原文25:14 Section 1: 庖丁「舞」牛33:30 Section 2: 庖丁讲述其技艺 「进乎技」56:01 Section 3: 庖丁如何应对困难1:06:57 Section 4: 君主的收获 「养生」1:26:55 嘉宾问答目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Karyn Lai, “Freedom and agency inthe Zhuangzi: navigating life’sconstraints“The Liezi (列子)Nonaction(无为, sometimes translated as “effortless action”)“Technique”(技, “skill”)“Goes beyond technique” (进乎技)Guo Xiang 郭象 (traditional commentator on the Zhuangzi, 252-312 CE)The Woodcarver Qingpassage (Zhuangzi, ch. 19)The cicada-catcherstory (Zhuangzi, ch. 19)“Skill”(巧)“Spirit,” “spiritual” (神)“Heavenly patterns” (天理)Iris Murdoch, The Sovereignty of theGood (where she discusses the loving gaze, worth comparing with the notion of “seeing with spirit”)The wheelwright passage (Zhuangzi, ch. 13)Knowing-that andknowing-how“Caring for life” (养生)The swimmer passage (Zhuangzi, ch. 19)特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep6 偏私与正义
在本期节目中,我们邀请到罗格斯大学(RutgersUniversity)宗教与哲学系教授、罗格斯中国研究中心主任蒋韬教授(Tao Jiang),共同探讨他的新书。尽管这本书长达516页,内容包罗万象,但本期节目将聚焦于两个核心议题:(1)「兼爱」与「亲亲」之间的张力,即无私的正义与偏私的人伦之间的冲突;(2)庄子思想中的「逍遥」与自由。我们每个人都身处错综复杂的人际网络之中,对亲人、朋友自然怀有深厚的情感与责任。然而,「公义」有时又要求我们以平等的态度对待每一个陌生人。当「偏爱」与「兼爱」的价值诉求发生冲突时,我们该如何抉择?蒋韬教授的新书《早期中国道德—政治哲学的起源》(Originsof Moral-Political Philosophy in Early China, Oxford University Press, 2021)系统梳理了「仁」、「义」、「自由」等中国哲学核心范畴。本期节目,我们将从中国哲学的视角,思考这些重要问题。欢迎收听!重点讨论段落叶公语孔子曰:「吾党有直躬者,其父攘羊,而子证之。」孔子曰:「吾党之直者异于是。父为子隐,子为父隐,直在其中矣。」(English version: Analects 13.18,modified from Edward Slingerland’s translation)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, andWay 网站参与讨论。时间轴0:00 Part I —导言8:35 今日嘉宾与主题简介14:49 Part II — 蒋韬谈偏私美德与无私正义 Tao JIANG on Partialistic Virtue and Impartial Justice14:50 嘉宾介绍:蒋韬17:08 新书内容梗概20:37 《论语》中「偏私」与「无私」的张力 Tensions between partialism and impartialism in the Analects33:30 儒家的「己所不欲,勿施于人」是偏私还是无私? Is the Confucian Golden Rule partialist or impartialist?48:15 《庄子》中的个人自由 Personal freedom in the Zhuangzi55:28 为什么「自由」没有从个人价值转变为制度价值? Why freedom didn’t make the transition from being a personal value to an institutional value1:04:00 《庄子》是否更重视「自然」与「真诚」而非个人自由? Is it possible that Zhuangzi valued spontaneity and authenticity rather than personal freedom?1:11:50 在《庄子》中,自由的价值何在? In the Zhuangzi, what makes freedom valuable?1:15:38 嘉宾问答1:24:29 下期预告:Karyn Lai 教授谈 《庄子·庖丁解牛》其他参考資料Tao JIANG, Origins of Moral-political Philosophy in Early China Mohism (the school of thought associated with “impartial care”) Analects 13.18 (Upright Gong) Guan Zhong 管仲 (c.720-645 BCE) Analects 14.16 Analects 15.24 (Confucius’s Golden Rule) Shu 恕 The Golden Rule, empathy, reciprocity, the principle of reversibility Great Learning 12 (the more role-specific or partialistic formulations of the Golden Rule) Legalism (法家)Wm. Theodore de Bary, The Trouble with Confucianism (see also de Bary’s The Liberal Tradition in China) Huang Zongxi 黄宗羲 (1610-1695) Ziran 自然 (spontaneity, being natural) Zhen 真 (authenticity) You 游 (wandering, roaming) Fangwai 方外 (outside the life-world) Fangnei 方內 (inside the life-world) Zhuangzi, chapter 3, the Cook Ding (“Butcher”) passage Xiang 相 (mutual, mutually; as in xiang wang 相忘 “mutual forgetting”) Laozi 老子 (also known as the Daodejing 道德经)特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep5 儒家:修身与孔子自述
在本期播客中,我们讨论了《论语·为政篇》里孔子自述人生阶段的名句:「吾十有五而志于学……」。这段广为流传的文字,展现了儒家关于人生成长与道德修养的深刻思考。本期节目将和你一起思考: 孔子所谓的「无惑」与「知天命」 到底意味着什么? 「从心所欲不逾矩」 真的可能实现吗?我们结合历代注家的不同解读,进一步探讨了 「尽心」(wholeheartedness) 这一儒家核心理念的丰富内涵。目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。时间轴0:00 Part I — 引言6:03 今日话题及文段导入10:25 Part II — 修身与孔子的自述10:26 Richard 为孔子的精神自传做铺垫12:26 Justin 朗读并解析孔子自述,将其分为三个阶段17:48「吾十有五而志于学」——「学」与礼的关系25:38「三十而立」27:29「四十而不惑」以及孟子与荀子关于道德修养的讨论50:25「五十而知天命」1:00:57「六十而耳顺」1:06:43「七十而从心所欲,不逾矩」1:10:57 孔子为何强调「从『心』所欲」, 而非口、眼等欲望?这有何深意? Is it significant that Confucius singles out the desires of the heart or heart-mind (as opposed to desires of the mouth, eyes, etc.)?1:14:40 体会:对「知行成就」不同层次与类型的思考 One takeaway from the passage a whole: interest indifferent degrees and types of epistemic achievement1:18:49 另一点体会:道德修养为何优先于其他宗教与哲学目标 Another takeaway: the priority of ethical cultivation over other religious and philosophical aims1:27:22 下集预告:早期中国哲学关于「偏私和公平」的讨论 partiality and impartiality in early Chinese philosophy重点讨论段落子曰:「吾十有五而志于学,三十而立,四十而不惑,五十而知天命,六十而耳顺,七十而从心所欲,不逾矩。」(English version: Analects 2.4, modified from Edward Slingerland’s translation)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, andWay 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Analects 2.4Philip J. Ivanhoe, Confucian Moral Self-Cultivation (where he writes that for Xunzi, the practice of the Way “runs far ahead of one’s understanding of it,” p. 96) Analects 1.15 (grinding and polishing) Analects 8.9 (the ordinary people can be made to follow it but not to understand it) Analects 2.15 (thinking without learning…learning without thinking…) Analects 9.30 (learning to apply some ritual or rule with appropriate “discretion” indicates a very high level of epistemic achievement) Dasan 茶山(1762–1836) (a.k.a. Jeong Yak-yong) — his commentary on Analects 2.4 is translated in this book Analects 9.12 (students attend to Confucius as though he were their lord and not just their teacher) ZhuXi 朱熹 (1130-1200)— his commentary on Analects 2.4 is translated in this bookJustin’s article on “getting it oneself” (自得) T’oegye 退溪 (1501–1570) (a.k.a. Yi Hwang 李滉) Analects 14.24 (learning for one’s own sake vs. learning for the sake of impressing others)特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep4 道家:游说
本期播客的主题是「游说」,我们选取了《庄子·人间世》中孔子和颜回的对话作为讨论文本。这段文字非常精彩,但相比其他篇章,却很少被关注。其实,对于关心修辞、理由的力量(或其缺失)、论证,以及在说服别人时人与人之间、包括自己和对方内心之间那种微妙互动的人来说,这期播客都很适合你。讨论这段文本的过程本身,也让我们获得了极大的乐趣。时间轴0:00 Part I — 引言 Introduction5:27 今日主题及选段 Preface to today’s topic and passage14:28 Part II — 道家的「游说」 Daoist “persuasion”16:35 Richard为本次对话做铺垫 Richard sets the stage for the dialogue19:09 四种心理类型 The four psychological profiles22:13 类型一:传教士的热忱 missionary zeal33:01 类型二:不对抗的正直 non-confrontational integrity38:14 类型三:安静的内在正直 quiet inner integrity49:54 类型四:无预设立场 no agendas1:05:18 道家的游说者真的有意图去改变对方吗? Does the Daoist persuader even “intend” to convert?1:15:02 那么,给别人讲道理的意义究竟何在? What, then, is the point of giving someone reasons for your view?目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, andWay 网站参与讨论。重点讨论段落颜回见仲尼曰:“魏将乱,回请往仕。”仲尼曰:“子将奚为焉?”曰:“回闻君之少而好用其少者,轻用其国而不知其过,杀人如草不自知也,百姓无所容。回闻夫子曰:‘治国以仁,乱国以智。医门多疾。’回愿以所闻思其可救也。”仲尼曰:“嘻!子之往也,殆哉!夫道不欲杂,杂则多,多则扰,扰则忧,忧而不救。古之治道者,以之于己,未得之于己而后求诸人。今子未得之于己,而欲得之于人者,危哉!且夫德有所耗,而知有所用。德耗于名,知用于争。人用名以相轧也,用知以相伐也。此二者,皆不可以成行也。虽有深德厚信,而未得彼之气。子有不争之名,而未得彼之心。子以仁义矫之,是以益其恶也。彼必将内自强而外自饰矣。子之所处,危矣!且彼好贤而恶不肖,则何用子为?不如无言。夫贵人好自用以强人,欲以其所长易人之所短。若是者,不得无辞。辞多则失信,失信则死矣。虽然,必有说矣!请试言之。”颜回曰:“若正而不谏,直而不肆,静而不争,洁而不伐,可乎?”仲尼曰:“是犹未也。子犹执策而临之也,岂能久乎?夫志不欲其久也,则貌不安。貌不安则人不悦,人不悦则不可以为道矣。”颜回曰:“回将内直而外曲,贞以顺上,可乎?内直以求之天,外曲以求之人,贞以顺上以继古。人之所称小子者,回亦称小子,皆若然,孰能谴之!外曲以求之人也。贞以顺上以继古也。回之所言者,非回之言,古之遗言也。可以无伤而直矣。可乎?”仲尼曰:“是犹未也。子多方而未中也。且夫知用心者,知之所为用心者也。夫知无用之用者,乃为用耳。”颜回曰:“回无以也。敢问何如?”仲尼曰:“斋,吾将语若。若能为无为而无不为也,则几矣。若以容容乎而往,若将往而适也,不知其所止。若游乎江海之上而忘乎江海之存也。若能忘物,物不能忘也。若能忘天,天不能忘也。若能诚能信,则几矣。”颜回曰:“回甚贫,未尝饮酒食肉数月矣,可谓可以已乎?”仲尼曰:“是祭祀之斋,非心斋也。”颜回曰:“敢问心斋?”仲尼曰:“若一志,无听之以耳而听之以心,无听之以心而听之以气。耳止于听,心止于符。气也者,虚而待物者也。唯道集虚。虚者,心斋也。”颜回曰:“回未得志,敢问何谓心斋?”仲尼曰:“用志不分,乃凝于神。人皆知有用之用,而莫知无用之用也。止而不行易,行而不止难。人皆知有用之用,而莫知无用之用也。若使耳目之内与心相交,而外无知也,则鬼神将来舍,而况人乎?是谓反始也,古之得道者,深藏于此矣。”节选自 《庄子·人间世》(English version: Zhuangzi, ch. 4, Paul Kjellberg’s translation)其他参考资料Esther Klein, “Were there ‘Inner Chapters’ in the Warring States?”Analects 14.34Michael Stocker, “The Schizophrenia of ModernEthical Theories”Robert Nozick, PhilosophicalExplanations (“Perhaps philosophers need arguments sopowerful they set up reverberations in the brain: if the person refuses toaccept the conclusion, he dies. How’sthat for a powerful argument”)Daryl Davis, musician who converted over 200Ku Klux Klan members to give up their robes (see also this piece on Davis)Martin Luther King Jr. on agape or unconditional love (brief discussion of Greek,Christian, and Gandhian influences)David Wong, Moral Relativity (seechapter 13, “Moral Relativity and the Problem of Equal Worth”)Jonathan Haidt, The Righteous MindWe used the translation of the Zhuangzi by Paul Kjellberg in Readings in Classical ChinesePhilosophy, 3rd editionOther translations mentioned:• Brook Ziporyn, Zhuangzi: The Complete Writings• Burton Watson, The Complete Works of Zhuangzi• Richard John Lynn, Zhuangzi: A New Translation of the Sayings of Master Zhuang as Interpreted by GuoXiang特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep3 宋明理学:一体
在第三期节目中,我们邀请到东亚哲学领域著名学者及翻译家 Philip J. Ivanhoe (艾文荷), 共同探讨 「一体」(Oneness) 这一主题。第一部分,Justin简要介绍了宋明理学及其与「一体」思想的联系。第二部分,我们与 Ivanhoe 教授深入探讨了他的著作《一体:东亚关于美德、幸福与万物相连的观念》(Oneness: East Asian Conceptions of Virtue, Happiness, and How WeAre All Connected)。节目中涉及的主要话题包括: 「一体」的真实性:它既非「严格意义上的真理」,也并非毫无根据、毫无意义的幻觉; 「一体」的益处:它能带来安全感、自发性及形而上的安慰; 「天地万物皆我一体之良知也」的意义:王阳明是对的!欢迎收听本期节目,与我们一同探索东亚哲学中的「一体」。时间轴0:00 Part I: 引言4:40 Justin 对宋明理学的简要综述 Justin’s quick summary of Neo-Confucianism22:59 Part II: 「一体」 Oneness23:00 嘉宾介绍: Philip J. Ivanhoe25:32 撰写关于「一体」这本书的三大动机 Three motivations for the book on oneness33:30 宋明理学形而上学的实用主义替代方案 A pragmatic alternative to Neo-Confucian metaphysics43:36 「一体」的真实性:既非“绝对真理”,也非毫无根据的幻觉 The truth-value of oneness: neither “strictly true,” nor a groundless hallucination52:42 「一体」作为安全感、自发性与形而上慰藉的来源 Oneness as a source of security, spontaneity, and metaphysical comfort1:03:55 关于「一体」或许无法解释真正利他主义的担忧 The worry that the oneness view can’t make sense of genuine altruism1:11:05 生命是否是相互认同感的必要条件?(生物中心主义观点 vs. 王阳明的观点) Whether life is required for a sense of mutual identity(biocentric views vs. Wang Yangming’s view)1:17:59 嘉宾问答环节重点讨论段落乾称父,坤称母。予兹藐焉,乃混然中处。故天地之塞,吾其体;天地之帅,吾其性。民,吾同胞;物,吾与也。大君者,吾父母宗子;其大臣,宗子之家相也。尊高年,所以长其长;慈孤弱,所以幼其幼。圣,其合德;贤,其秀也。凡天下疲癃、残疾、煢独、鳏寡,皆吾兄弟之颠连而无告者也。——节选自张载(1020-1077)《西铭》(English version: Zhang Zai, “The Western Inscription,” translation by Bryan W. Van Norden and Justin Tiwald)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Philip J. Ivanhoe, Oneness:East Asian Conceptions of Virtue, Happiness, and How We Are All ConnectedJustin Tiwald and Bryan W. Van Norden, Readings in Later Chinese Philosophy Stephen C. Angle and Justin Tiwald, Neo-Confucianism: APhilosophical IntroductionChanBuddhismZhang ZaiPhilip Kitcher, Preludes to Pragmatism: Toward a Reconstruction of PhilosophyPhilip Kitcher, Life After Faith: The Case for Secular HumanismJohn Dewey, A CommonFaithBertrand RussellJeong Yak-yong (a.k.a.Dasan)St. Thomas AquinasZhu XiWangYangmingOwen Flanagan, “HallucinatingOneness: Is Oneness True or Just a Positive Metaphysical Illusion?“William James, The Will to BelieveAlasdair C. MacIntyre, Dependent Rational AnimalsOwen Flanagan, The Geography of Morals (footnote on p. 316)Martha C. Nussbaum, Anger and ForgivenessPhilip J. Ivanhoe, “Précis of Oneness“Philip J. Ivanhoe, “TheValues of Spontaneity“Joel J. Kupperman, Learning from Asian PhilosophyE.O. Wilson, The Biophilia HypothesisSigmund Freud, The Future of an Illusion (on the differences between errors, illusions, and delusions)Adam Grant on “TheAltruism Debate” (summary of the debate about linkages between empathy and altruism, between C. Daniel Batson and Robert Cialdini)Jamil Zaki, The War for KindnessTheU.S.-China Research Group on Cosmopolitanism (Georgetown University research group mentioned by Ivanhoe in the final segment)Philip J. Ivanhoe and Hwa Yeong Wang, Korean Women Philosophers and the Ideal of a Female Sage: Essential Writings of Im Yungjidang and GangJeongildangThe Chengbrothers (Cheng Hao and Cheng Yi, subjects of Ivanhoe’s next major translation project)在回答我们关于“推荐一本必读经典”的问题时,Ivanhoe 表示,所推荐的文本应根据每位读者的具体情况和兴趣而有所不同。之后,他在发给我们的补充邮件中重申了这一观点,但同时也指出,对于许多人来说,《中庸》(The Doctrine of the Mean)依然是非常值得一读的“必读经典”。特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep2 儒家:羞耻心
本期节目聚焦「羞耻作为一种道德情感」,深入探讨古典儒家哲学家对羞耻的理解。我们特别邀请到胡婧博士(Dr Jing Iris Hu),她曾发表学术论文「Shame, Vulnerability, and Change」(《羞耻、脆弱与改变》)。我们将围绕以下几个核心问题展开讨论: 儒家思想为何重视羞耻感? 羞耻感能否以及如何独立于社会评价存在? 儒家提出了哪些机制来培养这种独立性 一个真正具备德行的人是否还需要羞耻感?时间轴0:00 Part I — 导言 Introduction16:53 Part II — 儒家对羞耻的看法 Confucians on shame16:54 嘉宾介绍:胡婧 Introducing Jing HU19:52胡婧文章的两个主要观点 The two main claims of Hu’s article22:53儒家如何回应“羞耻否定论“ The Confucian response to “shame rejectionism”27:53儒家是否需要真实的“客观”价值观来支撑他们对羞耻的看法?Whether Confucians need real, “objective” values to underwrite their views about shame34:37为什么羞耻的“亲社会取向”是一件好事 Why shame’s pro-social orientation is a good thing42:51我们是否需要羞耻感,才能与他人建立正确的沟通Whether we need a sense of shame in order to have the right communicative channels with others49:45 德性圆满者还需要羞耻感吗?(亚里士多德 vs. 孔子 vs. 宋子) Would a fully virtuous person need a sense of shame?(Aristotle vs. the Confucians vs. Songzi)1:05:13 嘉宾问答环节Closing questions for our guest1:11:16 下期预告Preview of the next episode重点讨论段落子曰:「道之以政,齐之以刑,民免而无耻;道之以德,齐之以礼,有耻且格。」(English version: Analects 2.3, Edward Slingerland’stranslation)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, andWay 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Jing Iris Hu, “Shame, Vulnerability, and Change“The Analects《論語》(Chinese)The Analects (English translations)The Mencius, also knownas the Mengzi (Chinese, English)Analects 5.1Mencius or Mengzi 6A10Martha Nussbaum, Hiding from Humanity: Disgust, Shame, and the LawCheshire Calhoun, “An Apology for Moral Shame“Marta Jimenez, Aristotle on Shame and Learningto Be GoodChristopher C. Raymond, “Shame and Virtue in Aristotle“Bryan W. Van Norden, “The Emotion of Shame and the Virtue of Righteousness in Mencius“The Xunzi (about Xunzi, Chinese text, English translation)Mencius or Mengzi 4B.33Songzi 宋子Lisa Tessman, Burdened VirtuesSee also Bongrae Seok, Moral Psychology of Confucian Shame特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人: Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep1 道家:逍遥/无执
本期节目以「道家的逍遥/无执」为主题,聚焦《庄子》核心篇章「朝三暮四」,详细讨论其独特的逍遥观。Richard 和 Justin 首先介绍了自己以及开设这一播客系列的初衷。他们深入论述了「哲学的双重视角」,为庄子式的逍遥与无执提供了可能。同时,他们也对这种逍遥/无执理论提出了一些疑虑。时间轴:00:00 Part I — 引言 Introduction6:30 Part II — 道家的逍遥/无执 Daoist detachment6:31 关于庄子 Our particular Daoist: Zhuangzi8:30 「朝三暮四」典故 The monkey-trainer passage10:44 哲学的双重视角 Philosophical double-vision25:05 双重视角与价值区分 Double-vision and value distinctions30:30 为什么我们要采纳哲学的双重视角? Why should we adopt philosophical double-vision?40:38 两种视角如何整合(策略模型 vs. 垄断模型 vs. 其他) How the two perspectives can be integrated (strategic model vs. Monopoly model vs. others)53:28 对道家逍遥的质疑:人际关系 An objection to Daoist detachment: personal relationships1:00:22 另一种质疑:无意义感 An other objection: meaninglessness1:11:05 下期主题 Next week’s topic重点讨论段落 「朝三暮四」劳神明为一,而不知其同也,谓之朝三。何谓朝三?曰狙公赋芧,曰:「朝三而莫四。」众狙皆怒。曰:「然则朝四而莫三。」众狙皆悦。名实未亏,而喜怒为用,亦因是也。是以圣人和之以是非,而休乎天钧,是之谓两行。(English version: Zhuangzi, ch. 2, Paul K Kjellberg's translation)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料The Zhuangzi 《庄子》 (Chinese)The Zhuangzi (English translations)The Daodejing (Chinese, English)Bryan W. Van Norden, Introduction to ClassicalChinese PhilosophyThomas Nagel, The View from NowhereTerrence Malick (director), The Tree of LifePierre Hadot, Philosophy as a Way ofLifeThe Xunzi, ch. 21, section 5 (Xunzi’s brief criticism of Zhuangzi)Confucius’s dialogue with the Duke of She (on the inescapability of human concerns)P. F. Strawson, “Freedom and Resentment“The Huainanzi, ch. 19, section 9 (story about the unpredictable turns of good and bad fortune)The Zhuangzi, ch. 18, section 4 (Zhuangzi talks to a skull about death)The Zhuangzi, ch. 18, section 2 (Zhuangzi “mourns” the death of his spouse)The Zhuangzi, ch. 6, section 7 (ideal mourner Mengsun Cai)Robert Nozick, The Examined Life:Philosophical MeditationsSee also Justin Tiwald, “Well-Being and Daoism” for more on philosophical double-vision in the Zhuangzi特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人: Richard Kim's website Justin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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Ep0 欢迎收听道可道,中国哲学播客
你好呀👋 欢迎来到“道可道”播客 (This is The Way: Chinese Philosophy Podcast)。我们是一档专注于中国哲学的播客,致力于深入解读中国哲学经典文本,并邀请知名学者展开深度对话。节目的两位主持人是香港大学哲学系的 Justin Tiwald 教授与芝加哥洛约拉大学(Loyola University Chicago)的 Richard Kim 教授。自2024年1月首期节目上线以来,“道可道”受到了许多英语听众和哲学爱好者的喜爱与支持。现在,我们也非常诚挚地向中文听众推荐这档播客,期待与更多朋友一同领略中国哲学的魅力。教授们的英文语速适中,发音清晰,我们还贴心准备了中文 show notes,欢迎参考~这期节目全程使用普通话进行,快来听听教授们的普通话怎么样吧◖⚆ᴥ⚆◗目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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中国哲学播客 -- Ep0 有我们中文的自我介绍哟!我们是一档专注于中国哲学的播客节目。由两位哲学教授深度解读经典中国哲学文本,与学者对话,深入探讨哲学话题,适合所有对中国哲学感兴趣的听众。大约隔三四周,周一中午更新!Roughly, lol.小作坊手搓高质量内容,感谢大家耐心等待和支持!中文版可在小宇宙、QQ音乐和内地 Apple Podcasts收听。英文版 “This is the Way: Chinese Philosophy Podcast” , 在 Spotify, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Buzzsprout 都可以收听。爱智慧 ·͜·♡
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