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Ep26 白马非马
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「白马非马。」这句看似荒谬的论断,出自《公孙龙子》中一次著名的哲学对话。本期节目,我们与Dr. Lisa Indraccolo (Tallinn University) 一起共同探讨这句悖论背后究竟隐藏着怎样的逻辑。你将听到:这句论断如何揭示早期中国哲学家在语言、逻辑和范畴划分方面的深邃思考,以及如何运用集合论、语义学和形而上学来理解这一引人入胜的文本,探究言语与现实的关联。更多关于 Lisa Indraccolo: her professional website.时间轴0:00 Part I – 「白马非马」是语言的游戏?4:40 Part II --The White Horse Dialogue 白马论4:42 嘉宾介绍 Introducing LisaIndraccolo6:03 聊了聊 为什么欧洲和北美的汉学家鲜有线下会面 Why European and North American sinologists rarely meet inperson13:21 介绍《公孙龙子》17:01 Section 1: 开篇对话——形与色的辩驳 Opening Exchange – Shape vs. Color28:36 Section 2: 一般意义上的马与白马 Generic Horse vs. White Horse38:11 集合名词假说 The mass-noun hypothesis57:28 Section 3: 「无色之马」的挑战 The "Colorless Horse" Challenge1:07:52 Section4: 归谬法论证 The Reductio Ad Absurdum Argument1:09:58 这一对话是否仅是在嘲弄那些混淆同一性论断与子类论断的人?Is the dialogue justteasing people who conflate identity claims with subclass claims?1:13:12 推测此类对话的目的——训练、娱乐与正名 Speculation about the aims of dialogues like this -- training, entertainment, and rectifying names1:20:15 Lisa的关键论点:具体共相、范畴 Lisa's key takeaways: concrete universals, categories重点讨论段落Section1: Opening Exchange – Shape vs. ColorObjector (曰): 「白马非马可乎。」Persuader 曰: 「可。」O曰: 「何哉。」P曰: 「马者所以命形也。白者所以命色也。命色者非命形也故曰白马非马。」Section 2: Generic Horse vs. White HorseP曰: 「求马黄黑马皆可致。求白马黄黑马不可致。… 可与不可其相非明。故黄黑马一也而可以应有马,而不可以应有白马。是白马之非马审矣。」Section 3: The“Colorless Horse” ChallengeO曰: 「以马之有色为非马。天下非有无色之马也。天下无马可乎。」P曰: 「马固有色故有白马。… 白马者马与白也。马与白非马也。故曰白马非马也。」Section4: The Reductio Ad AbsurdumP曰: 「以有白马为有马。谓有白马为有黄马可乎。」O曰: 「未可。」P曰: 「以有马为异有黄马是异黄马于马也。异黄马于马是以黄马为非马。以黄马为非马而以白马为有马。[……] 此天下之悖言乱辞也。」(《公孙龙子白马论》, English version slightly modified from Lisa Indraccolo’s translation)目前节目持续更新中,每周一与你见面,欢迎订阅收听!如果你有任何想法或建议,欢迎在评论区留言,或前往 Warp, Weft, and Way 网站参与讨论。其他参考资料Lisa Indraccolo, “The ‘White Horse Is Not Horse’ Debate” (in Philosophy Compass)Lisa Indraccolo, “Of Stones and Horses: Reading the GōngsūnLóngži in Terms of Concrete Universals” (in Philosophy East &West)Lisa Indraccolo, “Inner and Outer Worlds – On the Nature ofThings, Matter, and the Mind in the Gōngsūn Lóngzǐ” (open access)公孙龙子 (一部阐述看似悖论性术语和概念观点的历史文献,传统上归于公孙龙 [约公元前325-250年])白马论 (“White Horse Dialogue,” “White Horse Discourse”)The Zhuangzi 庄子 (有时对「白马论」之类的论辩进行嘲讽)Peter Adamson (co-hostof Historyof Philosophy in China, host of Historyof Philosophy without Any Gaps)Karyn Lai (co-hostof Historyof Philosophy in China) Ep7 庄子:庖丁解牛 的嘉宾The American Philosophical Association (APA, 美国哲学学会)名家 (the “School of Names,” the “Sophists”)非 (一个表示否定的词,至少可用于两种不同语境——「不等于」和「不属于某一类型/子集”」“isn’t identical to” and“isn’t a type/subset of”) identity claim 同一性论断(例如:「荷兰人就是来自荷兰的人」) subset claim 集论断(例如:「荷兰人是人」)Venn diagram 维恩图the mass-noun hypothesis (ChadHansen关于中国文本中「部分-整体关系」的假说 Chad Hansen’s hypothesis regarding part-whole relations in Chinesetexts)Chinese measure words 中文中的量词跃跃欲试 “chomping at the bit” (anEnglish idiom)A.C. Graham (白马论解释之一an interpreter of the White Horse Dialogue briefly mentioned by Lisa)articles (冠词(定冠词和不定冠词,如“the”和“a”)Yiu-ming FUNG, “A Logical Perspective on ‘Discourse on White Horse’” (馮耀明)MohistCanons ( 墨经,一部探讨相似概念和语言议题的文本,并使用“类”的概念来解释语义学的基本操作))reductio ad absurdum 归谬法 (a typeor style of argument)正名 (「匡正名分」,「纠正称谓」)Xunzi荀子 (3rd century BCE, 一位抱怨名家思想的儒家哲学家)universals 共相 abstractuniversals 抽象共相 concreteuniversals 具体共相冯友兰 (Fung Yu-lan, 提出此对话预设了抽象共相的存在)“Hegelese” 「黑格尔语」(一个非正式的、戏谑性的术语,指 G.W.F. Hegel 黑格尔 [1770-1831]独特的语言风格)特别鸣谢 The Hong Kong Ethics Lab 的支持和赞助,以及 Warp, Weft and Way 网站对讨论环节的支持。主持人:Richard Kim's websiteJustin Tiwald's website音频剪辑 & 中文 show notes: Lena在小宇宙查看该单集文稿
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