Getting healthy these days, there's a lot you need to do. You need to work out. You need to find the right diet. You need to find the right supplements.
You need to get the right amount of sleep. You need to get the right amount of light or darkness or get rid of the blue. I mean, there's just so much to do, right? I don't know.
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If you want to be part of the tribe, please subscribe. Graham, why don't you do me a favor? Tell human beings who you are and what the hell you're doing here. I mean, I gotta say though, if you were talking about W2s and how you've never really, very rarely had any, if you ever needed W2, you're a radio host, phenomenal.
I mean, that was just a smooth well. Thank you. I mean, I don't know. Well, look, anything where I have to be there every day for a fixed amount of time doing a specific thing is not going to work in my brain.
But I did make a lot of money doing voice over work for radio and TV. And in fact, I'm going to tell you right now, show you right now, how I made $15,000 one year. This is 30 years ago. Right here we go.
did the following. This is literally the entire length of the recording session that I did. Fire. That was it.
So I, it was a commercial. The army did something really interesting. They had hired actors to do radio commercials. And if the commercials worked well, they would then bring in actual people from the army to do the TV version of that commercial.
So I, you know, you heard me yelling fire around the country for about a year. That was a blast. That's amazing. And you think about $15,000 back in those days is like, it was like, it was so nice to say it paid the rent for a year.
That's amazing. So my name is Graham Tuttle on the, I guess, more colloquially known as the Barefoot's Fair on social media these days, which has just become an interesting little tidbit about me. But basically I had a strength performance to help fitness coach just fail personal trainer and decided to move more into creating content and educating people more broadly. I was talking about this with my friends yesterday.
I was like, I'm really bad personal trainer. They sit there, they're out to pay and they really care. And I'm like, I want to find a solution to get past it. So I'm just in unorthodox level of curiosity about life.
And I just tend to question everything. And so that paired with this, there's this great house when Moses guy look up to any other post about the three things that the very successful people have in common is like one, they're superior, they're better than other people and not like worth more, but like they have more capacity to handle and do things and develop a skill set to then everything they're good enough and three, they're having incredibly impulse control. So something along the lines. That's interesting.
Do you know the impulse control study they do with kids and how it's correlated to success later? Yeah, yeah, they put a marshmallow for the down and they say, the ones that will not do it, they come back to get to the ones that can pass that. Yeah, it's like don't touch the marshmallow. We'll be back a little bit.
If you don't touch it, we'll give you another one. And then if people haven't watched these videos, you can find them. It's hysterical watching kids like lose their minds trying to not eat a marshmallow. And then some of them just crack.
I mean, it's, it's literally sad. It's pretty funny. And it is interesting that the ones who have better impulse control tend to at least perform better on statistical tests like the SAT, they get better grades to get in, better colleges. I don't know about the success thing because that's just a word I have no concept for.
I think I have friends who have made huge amounts of money. And they've all said the same thing, which is, you know, every minute of this money, people thought I'm way smarter than I am. There is that phenomenon. That's an amazing thing.
If you get any level of notoriety, people look too different. And I'm like, I was the same thing six months ago, but no one noticed. It's really disturbing. There's a, I used to live in Boulder, Colorado, and I was slightly out of Boulder.
And there's a group that I refer to as Boulder's rich and guilty. So there's a lot of people with a bunch of money and they clearly seem to feel guilty about it because of the way they spend it and what they support. But I've been going to Boulder's small town. I go to parties, I see these people and they've never given me the time of day.
They know who I am, never spoken to me. And someday we may be in a situation financially where we show up at that party and they come up and say hi. And I have, you know, responses planned. It'll be interesting to see if I say them and make it so they definitely never talk to me ever again.
Because I get it. Like some of these people are in social and financial situations where people are awkward around them or people are asking for things from them. They want to use them. They don't get to know them.
They have all these ideas. I get that you don't want to do that. And I get that they don't know that I'm not someone who gives a crap about any of that. But nonetheless, you know, it's one of those things.
I want to back up to your failed person trainer. Was it because you had a hard time counting to 10? Well, so this is one of the things I went to University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. It's like I'm exercising.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We're going to have to cut this short. I totally either thought I didn't know that since I went to Duke and we're not legally allowed to have this conversation.
Well, it's okay. You'll forgive me maybe. I graduated early. So I didn't even do the general track.
Then there's like the finished professional, the athletic training. So the actual like advanced track, I did the bare minimum. So I got there. One of the classes I was joking, I was like, I didn't do very well now when I got to eight.
But you know, but there's some workouts where you only need to get to eight. So you could have been to have a successful career. You just didn't really, you didn't ask enough questions to yourself the way you said before. Like, do I need to count to 10?
Or is eight good enough? Well, so there is a certain part, I think when it comes to personal training that you have to kind of go along with the, you're going to show up. I'm going to be here to babysit you. I'm going to motivate you and you're going to go to this and I count to 10.
It's like, once you got to see through, they're all doesn't matter because it's like, you know, what is it six? Is it eight? Is it 10? Like, I don't know the rep for all made up.
It's like, I think if you exercise and they get some for a few. And it's like, people don't really like that kind of free moving creative experience. They want you to tell them what to do. Yeah, it's like, here's a plan that will get them to the place that they think will then make them happy.
And yeah, that sentence is for all apparel. And then they come in the first day and I'm not talking about like their feelings and their thoughts and what's going on in their sunlight and why they're working at the miserable. They never see like one of the guys that have, he's been a really good friend and at least help me establish with the landlord. He's a client, a landlord just to kind of help me establish a few different things.
So he's played different roles in my life. But the man owns dozens of businesses, like, you know, he's very successful entrepreneur, dozens of like individual locations in his business. He's got like, you know, he's very successful. And yet he works in an office in the middle of a warehouse with no window.
Like he goes into a warehouse and says in the middle with no and I'm like, you're one of those success people I know and you sit in a place for 60 hours a week with like behind 15 screens. And like, gosh, yeah, yeah, look, he's just on I can't think really well unless I have a high ceiling and or space that I can see. There's a weird I remember being at a meeting with a bunch of friends in a restaurant and we were sitting at a corner table and the ceiling in the corner table is low. And we were doing some creative something and I said, wait, hold on, I got to figure this out and I had to back up until I was at a point where the ceiling above me was like 15 feet instead of eight feet because I couldn't think this sounds weird.
I couldn't think of the ceiling that low above my head. I mean, because I couldn't like place all the ideas in this imaginary space and rearrange them in a way that was going to get me where I wanted. And that's the first time I really thought about how my space interacts with my thinking. So this is what I was just going to make sure I'm on the same page.
It's called the Cathedral Factor. It's basically, I'm feeling the brain on feelings of confinement while high ceilings inspire feeling of freedom. So there's something to do, I think, with the brain's capacity, but it is a fascinating thing to you're not alone in this. Well, and I'm sure it's not the same for everybody because I mean, I do know many people who just spend their whole time in a tiny room behind a bunch of screens right over against their face and they do just fine.
It's just the way my brain works for whatever reason. You can probably make the difference between the left and right brain or not. No, I'll tell you why. The guy who came up with, so I was a cognitive psych guy when I was a dude, this is one that I graduated 83 and a half, 84.
The guy who came up with that idea of left brain, right brain has on numerous occasions said it was the biggest mistake he ever made in his life. It's not the way it works. I mean, there are some localized functions undeniably, but with the idea that right brain is all that creativity. And if you're creative, you're in your right brain versus if you're linear, it's like left brain isn't completely not true.
Your whole brain is doing all of those things, but it's become like a thing now. It's a badge of honor. I mean, especially among, I'll say this with a bit of disdain, not the same, a bit of something. I'm poking fun at people that I'm about to talk about.
There are creative people who take pride and go, well, I'm just really right brain. You know, I don't do that. You never hear people doing the other one really left brain. They never are proud about that.
You can be proud about being right brain, but not the other way. Now, my favorite thing about that is when people would, like people would, so way back when I started a software company for a product for writers, and I would have writers say to me, call me for tech support complaining about some thing they had a hard time with on their computer, and they say, well, I'm a writer. I'm not a computer programmer. And I would say, okay, do you know the following three writers and these are people who are massively successful and as writers, ignore how much money they may or may not have made.
And they would, oh, yeah, yeah, in their spare time, they'll write computer code. So, you know, it's just not what people think. Anyway, blah, blah, blah. What it being is that with another functionality across like, let's just say you're oriented towards more of a creative open and versus a contracted dilated perspective.
I think that's I'm going to stop you there too, just for the hell of it. Because this idea that one is open and the other is somehow contained, I would argue that's completely not true. You talk to any good, really, really logical linear scientist, and they will be talking to you about how creative they are and what they're doing. It's about opening new spaces.
I remember the physicist Richard Feynman, somebody said to him that they would hate to be him because he sees everything as just, you know, parts and pieces and it's linear and they're really creative. And he's like, oh, no, I don't think you understand. When I look at a paraphrasing dramatically, when I look at a glass of water, it's all I can do not to be overwhelmed by awe. Because it's incredible that I'm seeing through a solid and I understand how the molecules and atoms play together and how this is actually a microcosm of the universe itself.
And even it's contained in a glass is miraculous. And he just goes on and on about the incredible artisticness of physics. And it just stopped the person cold. Now Feynman also just to prove a point became a really amazing bongo drummer.
It's crazy things learned how to paint portraits and do still lives. And what's the word when you're painting a human being sitting in front of you? Yeah, whatever that is. He did that in part to frankly, he admitted to see women in small mass clothing to paint them and draw them.
But regardless, you know, he became he started doing artistic things because he found it interesting and also to prove a point. But anyway, so yes, there are some things that are the end result looks linear to people who don't know any better. And there are some things that look open and creative to people who don't know any better. I'll refine my language once further to say that the fractals of contracted and dilated thought processes allow you to think in different modes that allow you to be focused on something versus you think more broadly.
I think it's an high dilation versus a constriction. I'm not saying the same person can do that. I would just say that there might be times when you feel stronger or you're making a decision. Oh, yeah.
No, I'm gonna go there. And there's definitely, there's that thing of focusing that sort of opens up the doorway with suddenly something just pops in because you've become so focused that your brain always is looking for an escape and finds some wacky new idea. This is fun. Normally, I like to be able to only know when I also like refine the semantics and then go to the next piece.
Let's go there. This is like a chess mass. It's a verbal chess match. I love it.
That's where like all my people go to the gym that unfortunately something I'm a personal trainer, they show up and I'm like, we're gonna have an argument about something. I don't know what it is. Like somebody just literally anything in the news, anything like political theory or just like it doesn't even matter. I just like pick a side.
Let's argue. And then I'm like, what do I just back and forth? But no one gets argued. This is fun.
I like this. There's a Charlie Chaplin movie. I almost had an old Charlie Chaplin movie, which was a funny phrase that popping my head because he hasn't made anyone's lately. So I don't know what's going on with the guy.
But there's a scene if I'm remembering correctly, there's a dad big guy and his two younger kids who were like, you know, 20 and they're on a boat from a Marine correctly and they're having dinner sitting at the table. Dad's at the head of the table. The two brothers are sitting on up. So that's facing each other.
And they finished dinner and they pushed back from the table and they look at each other and say, okay, let's fight. Then they just break into a fight. Yeah. But it is like it is like a verbal, it's like verbal to just verbal chest.
It's like being able to think about it. It's like, okay, where are you going? And then it's like, you catch it. It's a lot of fun because if you can start to, I mean, at some point you get to like, if you maintain the idea that I never wrong, it's just you don't know, shame me.
I think that always is a fun place to go in. Well, you know, you started by saying, talking about asking questions and I was going to accuse you of being Socratic. And I recently was asked, you know, if I could go back in time to meet anybody, who would it be? And I said Socrates love this idea of just continually investigating until you find something where you just can't get underneath it where that's as true as it's going to get as far as you can tell.
And then I like to see if I can get underneath that too. So that's how I got here. It was just all the things about running a movement. It's like, are these things people saying, is that true?
It just sounds like mythology. I've got a good, I've developed a good radar for urban mythology. I can kind of hear something where it just sounds like it's just been passed down without anyone ever investigating it. Yeah, which is amazing to me to think about.
Just even the concept that most people don't, you will hear something and it's the way they say whether it's a lack of conviction or the kind of like, say, and I say, oh, we know they do that, like they're back away from it as they're like leaning into it. And it's very interesting. Oh, no, sometimes they're 100% convicted. I mean, they are completely convinced that this thing is true.
And it takes just a tiny bit of probing to reveal that that's not the case. And then of course, they start acting like you're trying to kill their children. Because we see that hold our beliefs in a similar way that we hold our very sense of self. And so you question someone's belief and you feel like they're being attacked or they feel like they're being attacked.
People confuse the statement of truth with the same belief and they walk around thinking they're saving the belief or saving the truth. And so then like you're tearing apart their frame of the reality by just questioning certain things like, well, it's not that big video. For some reason, though, it feels like a big deal. I literally do think it's a neurological thing.
I literally think that we hold certain beliefs, especially once they're not attached to physical reality, something you can see, feel, touch. We hold those in a way that I literally do think is probably what makes up our sense of self. And so you pull the rug out from underneath that. And for some people, that's very disturbing.
Some people find that fun and interesting. That's a whole subset of human beings. But anyway, this was a very entertaining tangent. I want to go back to what we opened with because this is a conversation you started with that maybe people give it shit about.
So, and this relates to your failed personal training business, there are so many things. If I just go through my inbox or even more of my spam box, I can't even tell you how many emails I'm getting on a daily basis about something that I need to be healthy. Some new thing that has just been discovered or only they, the secret they know about. And it can be really, really overwhelming.
And so this, I brought that up because of something you said in our little chat before this started. You may have a different opinion about that or a different take on that, it seems. Am I incorrect? No, and I think it's ironic because there's a certain level of our conversation on Socrates or Socrates, however you pronounce it.
That's how we're going to be able to ask him. It's so great. So great. Okay.
And then why are you going to go even the third option? But getting under the continuing to ask the next question, getting under the next level in a certain sense, my entire framework in terms of how I want to present a model of health and functionality for people is to make it so basic and simple that they don't want to disagree with it. In a sense, your feet shouldn't be in pain. Your feet shouldn't hurt.
I would like that as a simple argument. It's like, okay, what's the counter-argative? Well, no, my feet should hurt. Like, whether you like the way that sounded.
And so the basic simple framework of going, okay, you know, fundamentally, it's like, we have these bodies, these carbon-based meat suits that have evolved over millions of years, a lot of death, a lot of things have happened to allow us to get to where we are now. And so in some sense, it's like everything we're here is built with a lot of trial and error in some capacity. So the idea of like, well, it just doesn't work. You got bad genetics.
These are not going to be okay. The shoulders are unstable. The feet just need aren't, you know, feet can't run. The feet need to be in shoes.
You need to protect the meat support. And so a lot of these urban nitzas, urban, I guess, legends, as you call them, things are perfect thing. It's like anything that has to be substantiated by some level of like, well, this happens because of that as opposed to an evident thing that you could walk and see, you know, proven by basic like the, in existence of our human ability. And sometimes it's like, it doesn't stay in the truth test to me.
So I look and say, you know, okay, our bodies are strong and capable. And what would we have done for a dietary support? What would we done for a health light? You know, what would our life look like 100, 200,000 years ago?
And then how much of that could we have possibly lost in the intermediate generations versus how much of that is just gotten rusty? And so I kind of take that to say, fundamentally, our body shouldn't be in pain. Being healthy should be simple and accessible to everybody. And those three little capacities, like that forms a world view and look at and then say, okay, well, now in the cases that these aren't exhibited to be true, meaning you're in pain, you're confused about your body and you don't feel like you have access to the skills you need.
What's going on? And a lot of people that get confused by marketing, they've been shoved into an environment that no longer fits their actual physical operation system. Or they've been told that, you know, they've been, this is gatekeepers of knowledge that, you know, make everything challenging and they put a patent on something and they tell you what you can do with our special thing. It's like, those are the things that it's like, okay, what are the presuppositions that these people are trying to create?
So I think that there's, you should have seen this bifurcate in the sense where there's either your body is strong, healthy, capable, resilient, you get the right things to kind of get the rest off and get a moving, you get the right support and the right stimuli for the tissues and joints itself, people take care of itself or the body's ultimately differential, it's not healthy, it's not capable of surviving on its own. And you need this supplement, this pill, this thing to be able to function. And so that's where you see one of the other things, and you see your medical community that goes for like a triage and like a, you know, we got to get everything still so that we can hold on to things and not let anything happen, provide support and passive control to keep the body bound up. Or there's things at a restoration and getting things move in right direction.
So there's movement or stillness and stillness is always death. So that's the underlying foundation I look at. And then you look and say, oh, you know, reflections of that tonight? Well, the only one, I mean, there's a bunch of little things.
But the only one that I'm most intrigued by is when you present this idea to someone, how often do you find that they try to make a claim of being a special little snowflake to whom what you just said doesn't apply? This is the pepter I have in some sense. I think there's, and this is obviously a reductionist perspective, but there's like two types of people. There's the generalist and there's a specialist of snowflakes, meaning I tend to be like, well, if it happens to me, it happens to everybody.
You know, there's certain level of like, I'm not special, I'm just human, these things could happen to anybody or those people. I can't believe this happened to me. Everything's bad. Everything's always my life.
And maybe there's phases of like people go through, but I think you see the certain level of like, maybe this is an extrovert versus introvert. So it only happens to me like I'm alone, don't get out of stan me versus an extrovert that's brilliant. Probably like, oh, yeah, you just like me. So I'm gonna talk to you.
Well, I think you're going to dive into this a little more because I think like human beings, we do tend to extrapolate and think that whatever we're experiencing is what other people are or should be experiencing as well, which is often massively misguided. It's why we don't understand people's other cultures very well, because we think that they're just confused versions of us. So like, I'll use as an example, just China. So, and I'll use the intellectual property argument that's going on with China.
So they're stealing our intellectual property. Well, in China, when someone, if someone develops something valuable, their worldview is it should be copied and shared with as many people as possible so they can enjoy the benefits of it. Not that one person should make a whole lot of money from it. That the value of the community is important.
And this is a completely logical worldview, completely conflicts with the one that we have here, which is you need to protect that so that, you know, select number of people can make money and then lord it over you. And Americans just literally can't wrap their brain around the idea that this communal version, I don't want to say communist because that's a whole other thing, but this communal version of intellectual property is a completely valid way of seeing the world. But we don't get it because we think that other people should think the way we do, we're not exposed to myriad other ways of seeing the world. So there's that part and that creates problems because I'll say it from the zero-suite perspective.
When someone has, you know, like manufacturing is never perfect. We have a very, very low problem rate with our products, but if somebody has a problem with one of our products, they'll write or often they will write or contact us, assuming that it's happening to everybody. They're extrapolating from there. This thing that happened to me, clearly everyone's having the same experience I am.
And it's sometimes very difficult to present with information to them to demonstrate that, no, this is a weird thing or they go, well, I got one pair of shoes and I got replaced by the same problem. Yes, not because we have this with everybody. It's because the guy who was making that shoe made the one right after it too. And so, you know, he just screwed it up a couple of times in a row.
We'll see what we can do about that. So we always got a solution. But anyway, so that's the first part. But the other snowflakey part is that even if you found a million people who were exactly like you, who thought just like you, but there was one thing that all million of those people thought that was different than you, you go, yeah, but see, I'm actually not like them.
If 99.9% of what they're doing is exactly like you, that 0.1% you're going to see, I'm special. If you hear that everyone who's ever won the lottery is no happier than they were before they won the lottery some a year later, you'd still think, yeah, but if I won the lottery, I'm going to learn that lesson a hard way. Well, but again, that's an interesting point. It's like people say that same thing.
It's like, I want to, you know, let me see, let's prove it. No one will believe that if they found a million people who got the thing that they thought they needed to be happy and found out those million people were no happier than they were before getting it or no happier than the person investigating, they'd still go, yeah, but if I got it. And that's the flip side. On the one hand, we extrapolate and zoom everyone's like us.
On the other hand, around certain things, we think that we're special snowflakes, which again, you're presenting a we're all fundamentally the same in that it's all these bodies are really simple, really, because there was a time where we didn't have all these accoutrements and all these accessories and all these supplements and all these tools and techniques and gyms and workout styles and blah, blah, blah, and people were doing just fine. But you say that to someone these days. I just again, I'm just wondering how many times someone goes, yeah, that's fine for all of them. But me, which is interesting because what people so I rarely go in with the broad picture, I always go specific, like how does it feel and there's always some type of pain or something like that.
But what's interesting about that argument is like who's selling them that like well, you're not like anybody else. It's like those it's interesting that once people sort of see that of like, well, I think it's a natural human thing that has been exploited. Yes, yes, yes, that's what it's gonna do. Like you look at the marketing where there's a certain level of like, well, you know, that works for some people, but you probably have a specific microbiome, a specific dietary thing, a specific shoe and a specific thing and it's like, okay, that's convenient for you to something specific product that I have to continue to do.
It's like, you know, or so this does not know no better is this argument, exit exemplified then when you look at like weight loss for animals, right? If you have a dog and they say, okay, we dogs are wait, how do you get the dog to lose weight? I know you know this too. Um, well, first you have to find a cross fit for dogs.
And then you need a three month minimum, three month membership. And that's right. Is there some other option? You need the right supplements, you have to make sure you get nutritionist, you get a personal training that you work with around the cross, or you have to work out clothes, right, leash, right, collar, everyone knows the answer, which is defeat the dog less and you take it for a walk and there is no question about it.
And yet when it comes to like I was watching this thing I'll watch it like if I watch lectures and stuff and I when I'm eating down by myself and then I like there was this long come I watch a lot of commercials to see the marketing angle but like there's this you'll see these arguments going where there's now it's like current you got toxic poop floating around your entire body and so it's like and it's the fear monitoring like well before it was you know it's like you're eating too many carbs you eat too much fat you have toxic poop and now you need to clean yourself wait now you're cleansing yourself too much now you need to fast and it's like there's always always some reason it's like no I think it's just the you know take it all for a walk and feed it less it's like pretty simple. Now look I mean granted there are sometimes where there are other realities and there are genetic differences it's still fundamentally similar like I've been accused often as a sprinter I've been accused often of eating too many carbs and I say I've never met a sprinter or other power athlete who doesn't eat a lot of carbs that's the way we're wired. Well and you think of even the language with too many carbs okay so this is I think about this there's are you here this thing where like I've been guilty as well but I almost like think of like what's the underlying assumption that someone's making when they're making an argument why does why they need that to be true to support the worldview where people say and again I manage I'm intentional to my carbs but like I eat rice and fruit and squash carrots whatever like but you know I think it's the my thing is like it's the fake food it wasn't here 20 years ago that's the real problem but more specifically you hear people say well carbs and fat never just in the same you know same food is in the wild you know that you hear that right but guess what happens humans are really funny and they're really weird and we go around and say oh that would look at what that like think about this I think this is just a thought but you know the idea like well humans are meant to have tattoos your piercing is like you name one indigenous tribe that doesn't have all kinds of body modifications we're just weird people and you think about like even even just think about the fact of like the food thing you know they have celebrations we're gonna go over we're gonna hunt we're gonna get some of this and put it with some of that and it's like we come from a long rich history of people who kept fiddling with the world around us and it's like our bodies are very well at have to do this stuff just because that's we're like the most the most multi-tool like we're the multi-tool of the animal world of the animal king of ascents you know it's like it's a lot of stuff I like the idea that we're walking leatherman yeah it is but you think about that idea from like okay well you should never eat carbs it's like well I'm pretty sure we would be inside again the main diagram of where you would have access to it and like that's out there but I'm just saying like anytime there's a reductionist about like the human body can't do this like well pretty sure like I think we're pretty much we're pretty much we're healthy and happy we should be able to kind of survive you know I'm gonna have a plug for someone who's not on this call have you heard of Denise Minger I have not but I would love to be told a book called death by food pyramid okay so Denise was a as her teenager like a raw food vegan and then started having serious health problems and started investigating this and then went the exact other way and started being practically nothing but me and so the paleo community loved her but she decided to investigate what they were saying to and where they were saying carbs and sugar and especially refined sugar is the devil incarnate and so she started found a couple things a number of indigenous tribes who is like 80 plus carbs some of them refine carbs like they refine the sugar and eat the sugar there was a diet actually done it too called the rice diet where you could eat this for massively more to lay of these people you could eat as much as you want of only the following things fruit juice white sugar and I'm forgetting one other thing it's mostly like fruit juice and white sugar I know I'm forgetting one other thing and now the diet is no longer being practiced because it's so hard to say on the guy who did it who was this crazy German guy was literally whipping people to make them you know I'm still a diet I also know dominoes guys who made a thousand dollars by delivering pizzas to these people without anyone knowing but the interesting point about both the people on the rice diet who lost their weight got down to a normal weight reversed completely cured themselves of diabetes and the people who are these indigenous tribes we had a ton of carbs totally healthy really totally fine and Denise I think her blog is something like raw food SOS don't hold me to it but look her up Denise Minger in my N G E R she has said recently that she doesn't want she doesn't plan to be writing about diet and health any longer and given her way of investigating things my suspicion is that because she in her research determined there's no real correlation between what you eat and how long you live I would be so this is an interesting thing I kind of like sort of pay attention to people we're doing but they weren't doing it I think there's six fundamental levers of health we can pull on so I think movement is just one of them there's food is the second but there's water light breathing and sleep so you look at those like so I'm talking to all people want to focus and it's interesting because we have an obsession of our food like a TikTok people just sit there and watch food and food and food like I think about how many restaurants there are there for food it's just they're everywhere people want to eat and we're just eating people we just sit down like I remember I was on my client like you know y'all know it's carolina is just a bunch of eating people you just eat meat and I'm like yeah people wake up like what should we eat and then they sit around for us what should we eat and it's like that's just one level it's like okay that's one but if you're sleep is horrible if you're not breathing if you're mouth breathing you have no capacity to understand like I think sleep is how we control our energy food is how we control our nutrients our breath is how we control our energy our psychological state our movement is how we control like the hormone like there's obviously there's a lot of things in movement I think movement is how we think as well like you can't even the movement came before I think it's actually an argument movement came before speech in a sense like we move because we speak in a sense like we speak because we move backwards and then you know obviously there's the emotional like your connection in the traveling community and you never talk about that it's like look at the blue zones all these different things like yeah but they're all like they had a purpose they had a thing to get up and do and it's like you know but there's so much money to be made and tell people to have the wrong thing and the water too is another piece too like you're getting a hydration you know I'm old enough to remember before the word hydrate was a thing I mean it's like we used to just drink water when we were thirsty now you've got to be properly hydrated and you need magic hydration whatever stuff to be properly hydrated well it's funny because it's like I remember being told I'm think this actually gone about it like the homeostatic cues or tells your body would give you when you're thirsty you can't trust those you got to drink before you're thirsty and you got to drink after you're thirsty and you got to keep drinking and it's like I remember growing in when I was at exercise board science and talking hydration it's like well your body doesn't know you're thirsty till 15 minutes like you're telling me that the thing you just told me if I lose 1% of my body weight I'm I risk for death and stroke and all the stuff yeah my body has a delayed cue that's like especially in the environment where I'm like I don't even water not thirsty my body would tell me and it's like wait I should have like that's just not it's so silly it's so silly that our bodies like we can't listen to our body and again there are a lot of people who are very out of tune with their body and simply can't feel the ground and feel the environment but like I think the path back towards understanding ourselves starts with the fundamental idea that maybe there is some wisdom that's stored in my intuitive knowing that I might not have the words or science hasn't proven the exact studies or I don't have the exact you know supplement to do that like there's something my body isn't just a dumb meat suit like there's a lot of knowledge stored in this thing that like because I think that's the beginning of curiosity and then once you can start to like open up and see like huh it's interesting you should trust yourself more and I think fundamentally that's what gives us the ability to move forward in life is to trust in ourselves it's anti-capitalist in that if you were good at paying attention to yourself and your own experience in analyzing that correctly you become much less susceptible to marketing yeah absolutely and I've often said this it's like I say more people need to know about physics because then you won't be susceptible to certain kinds of marketing in the running shoe world in particular where they misuse physics on a daily basis to convince you if things aren't true it's crazy yeah so you just started you started a segue that I want to follow which is really um let's talk about this practically so when people are introduced to this idea of paying attention to these six things that you mentioned paying attention to then what can some of people who are listening to this watching this were somehow getting it through psychic vibes or smoke signals what's the next step what can people start to do to start experiencing what you're talking about to start discovering this for themselves and expand on that so one of the things I always think is valuable to point out first is that these are you people to see available it's like the most you know like handicap accessible thing in a certain sense so we all have the capacity to move even I'm a little bit too much about the spinal engine theory where he's talking like other people that have no legs and arms there was spine instead of all the movement comes from the spine so we all have the capacity to move to use our body our eyes our face our ears to engage with the world so movement is free right whether or not you have to do that in a gym that's whether or not you want to believe someone else's story but it's like movement is ubiquitously free not then it's not like the sun's still shining even on a cloudy day it's like the sun still comes out everywhere in the world except for you know like 30 days a night and a half ago but then water it's like what's interesting is you look at things like air the water and the food so there's the sleep there's movement and there's uh the a breath right so in the sleep movement you're gonna have to go out of water so sleep movement air so you can do it I believe in you and sleep movement water food air uh there's not one but you think about the ones that like are our problems so communal so they're the ones that matter right now are they like the water the food and the air right so those are things that we would have depended exogenously like we can breathe we can move we can do sleep like we can do that wherever we are bodies need to have that but we have to depend on a community to take care of the water decay or the food take care of the oxygen around it and so that's where it's really tough and I think when you look at things people that get marginalized in some sense it's like they don't understand they've been told that it's not that important with an intricate plastic water bottle they told that it's not that important if you have you know like clean air around you or like what you're wearing on your face the number of things it's like those are the things that really frustrate me because it's like the things that are fundamental are human bodies access to health are being polluted by a communal community that not only is not gonna pay the action out for it but there's also gaslight in them along the way like oh yeah your water is dirty but that's okay it doesn't matter that much oh wait we got Florida that doesn't matter that much and it's like then you get it on the you know the um the health professional that do studies and stuff like that where in 1950s when they you know they paid the sugar industry paid the uh the researchers at Harvard I think the point that it was fat and cholesterol those cause and problems is a person's sugar on the side and something along those lines but you see this where you know it's a difficult thing because people know it's a belief and that's where you see a fundamental misalignment of values and some capacities like you know these things that shouldn't be ubiquitous available for people it's like they can control some of them but other things it's like you know we don't have the intuitive sense to go out and get a well water tested it's clean so we are gonna have to trust it like our community's not important pollutants in the water you know so it I like the delineation between the things that are intrinsic versus extrinsic the extrinsic things are the I mean they're they can all be problematic but so once we have this delineation again we can get hyper focused on the water the food the air to the point of wanting to shoot ourselves frankly the and the intrinsic stuff that breathing the sleeping the moving that we have where media control but we're still susceptible to same kind of sales pitches the same kind of whatever and like some people are going to argue that's what I do that's what we do it's like we're selling this idea of you know grab these shoes but of course the joke is I just say we're just getting out of the way as much as possible shoes for since the beginning of human history is like something to protect your foot something to hold that on your foot some insulation if you need it if you need any of that at all it's really pretty straightforward but I think you look at the underlying ethos of what you're doing as a company as individuals like I'm taking you from this step what's like you can look at that the arguments okay what direction am I moving people in yeah I may be using the tool in the language if you speak Spanish and I don't speak Spanish then I can't communicate with you but if I can learn to speak self-Spanish even if it's like a purpose-spinglish and I can walk with you in that direction like I mean you can say what you're trying to change everything is like no I'm trying to get on at the communal level of understanding it's like the shoes you sell are getting people in the direction of I'm getting more stimulus to about it right I'm getting in this direction of trusting yourself I think that's the thing is it doesn't have to be like oh you're still on this side of the spectrum which is selling your product but it's like that product is moving your way and there's a whole ethos around how you are oriented as a huge waste plug I see that'll do that so okay so obviously you know we're part of that equation but back up to you it's all about you not really this conversation but it is all about you so what else what else do you want to you know give people isn't it sort of giving them an invitation to start exploring this simpler version of approaching their health their body their relationship to everything else you know we want to get people some things they can experience rather than just gonna that makes sense and not have anywhere to go with it yeah so there's there's a few things one it's sleep breath like movement food water I don't know which one I was forgetting but it's that's the exogenous ones are like light that's it yeah lights always available movements always available those things we can be easily control breath is kind of the next thing in some sense unless you're in a concluded environment but then as a food and water those are things that you know can get messy quick because we don't have to control that that being said um so I've been never dating this girl that I'm quite crazy about but there's one thing I've spent time with her realizing she's very good at feeling in a sense and so there's an intuitive sense so what I would invite people to start to do is to pay attention to things in a sense that we get very we get ingrained in our life like a if you think about the analogy of like a ski slip or people go down the exact where the rivets and they get wrote in these ruts and they kind of go through these life and they don't really think about things they're always reacting never responding never really thinking or feeling or paying attention to things and so some of those pieces are involved in slowing down and just attending to the things in your body so this is the idea of like okay because you know it's nice to talk about these things on a theoretical level but it's like where does it come in with a change but what do I do next and so that's why I look at this idea of feedback right your body is always giving you feedback in many cases it's the next most obvious answer not the one that like I would watch TV but it's like if you think a one layer underneath what does it that you want right I'm craving this specific food well what does that I really want do I would sort of sugar or my stress and the cortisol will be mitigated by the insulin rush do I want to watch TV or am I just overwhelmed I need to turn my brain out so like is you can think about there's we've learned quick responses to deal with these specific feedback impulses we have and so okay what's the thing I'm feeling and sure I might want to go shoot heroin out but it's like really what I'm feeling is overwhelming stress and so I just need to like talk to some having conversation get outside and take a nap whatever these things are and so the point is like to attune to the feedback your body gives you and it is a very obvious thing and so most people you know they talk about you get involved like the entrepreneurial circle people talk about like what's the dream you're like what's the passion what you're gonna do it's like your body can't even comprehend that until it has the basic necessity to take care of and so it's screaming my knees hurt and so I look at like what is joint pain feeling okay well I'm not getting enough stimulus I like let's say hyaluronic acid hydration to the tissues and connect the tissue around it maybe there's something that's in my nutrition maybe I'm doing too much of the same thing maybe I'm too sedentary like your body knows this stuff well so I'm gonna interrupt because the way we kind of dove into this but as we dove into it it suddenly started getting super complicated like you know the whole like hyaluronic acid oh yeah I mean that's like something we're talking about supplements so let's I want to I want to back up to the first part you said before we try to figure more crap out was this again it's kind of a socratic approach to our body of paying attention to things that we either want or want to get rid of and if I'm and pardon me I'm trying to paraphrase and asking some questions I mean listening to paying attention and then asking questions the biggest one is simply why so like you said the one that I love is you know want to watch TV why because for Elena and I at the end of a long day I come home I make dinner we watch TV dog on the couch and it's because we're tired and on the one hand we could go take a nap but we also like being together being with the dog getting a having some entertainment was a shared experience so the why for watching TV is definitely it's a really interesting question if I went underneath in fact the why is gonna shut my brain off but I already just did it a secondary why or underneath that is oh yeah there's this time together and there's all those why's can be really interesting because my favorite example you gave is I'm gonna go shoot heroin or drink or whatever it is that we use to not feel something or not think something that's an interesting one I want to go get drunk or I want to go get high why well I can't handle feeling the blank and if we ask you know why we might find ourselves saying that's interesting because actually I can handle it I just don't like it I'm just trying to avoid this thing and maybe that'll change the relationship you have when you reach for that bottle that syringe that pill that whatever and so again I'm paraphrasing but it sounds like if we had to put someone on the path we'd invite them to and please correct me when I'm finished ranting about this we'd invite them to pay attention to the things that they want to have different or that are causing problems or they're moving towards whether it comes has to do with food or pick one I'd pick one is what I would do like pick one and listen to you know pay attention to what thoughts you have what feelings you have around that thing and ask that question like why or what's next or what does that mean that's the way I approach investigating yeah I love what you said I think that there's a bidirectional component to that which is okay you pay attention to what is the thing I'm moving towards and then you ask why and it's almost always I mean the moving towards it because of something I'm there's like a co-factor in a sense like I'm moving towards watching TV on the couch because it also represents this thing like there's a carry-on with it or I'm moving away from something else yeah yeah it's a problem so like the question is why do I whatever this thing I'm attending to that I think is important that I want to do that I motivated to do why why is that is because of something you know what's the real thing that I'm going with it or what's the thing I'm running away from and in many cases there's two opportunities there if you pay attention to things going with it you can actually then say well you know I do love watching TV and that's up but what I really want is to connect to time with my wife so well I could there's you know my toy aborting or something like that like I could maximize the thing I actually want by doing this thing or I can say you know I can turn you have more feedback I didn't even have to tackle today but I'm doing that because it's like there's actual you know we don't really want to have conversation this is our quality time we don't want to have conversations about some difficult fight we had the video where I'm running away from the stress and things have to do it it's like well I need to turn and fix that because you know it's like there's this great quote about today which is if you imagine the problems you have in your life right now but put yourself three four five years in the future and this problem is only got worse to the point you have to do with them it's like it makes it like if you we don't if we don't attend to the problems in our life because right if we were to sit there as a thought experience say not only is it's not going to go away it's going to get five to ten to fifteen times more it's kind of like the parking ticket it's 20 bucks I don't want to deal with it but if I say okay in ten years it's going to be you know in two years it's going to be two thousand dollars two hundred thousand dollars right can't get a license like all right that makes that twenty dollars and for easy so I think some of those things that like change in perspective but it only happens to be started with him to actually notice what's going on and then like say okay you know but you have to have an honest account if the seat things clearly so then let's apply this to our six different things as simply as we can to sort of investigative informative moving towards or moving away thing I'll let you do whatever it likes since I can't so I would look and say what's the the simple like what's the function of this thing so you look at sleep is the ability I think if you look at enthusiasm excitement joy like gratitude that primarily has to do with sleep and so these are broad categorizations they do overlap but you look at like what do you feel when you feel you're tired you're grumpy you're hungry you're all these things it's like okay so if you're feeling low energy you're on the news about life then you probably need your sleep if you're feeling low energetic like you mean you don't have the like your brain is a functioning low energy to focus you'll have the like a little bit of other flaws right there so let's say we have that we realize okay my sleep is not contributing to my happiness and all those other factors how to how does someone then not go down the rabbit hole we described of trying to figure out every supplement you need the perfect mattress the perfect pillow the perfectest that you know if you remember from the movie being there when chance can chance the gardener chancy the gardener says his bed is in the middle of the room facing some weird way and says why is your bed like this he goes I can only sleep with my head pointing north and as they start to leave the room he goes wait that's west and chance goes huh so I would look and say go to the fundamental underlying basics of like what's the simplest thing like have you given yourself eight hours to be in the bed period I've done that and then you can look at some of the basic things like okay which which makes more sense than you body do sleep when it's light outside or when it's dark outside okay sleep in the sun goes down so it's a room dark right do you sleep better when it's really hot or when it's really cold or like okay are you comfortable and so some of the basic things before you look at anything exact and it's just look at what's the basic framework within which I would have slept 300 years ago awesome okay so now from there let's move on to something out and past sleep that would go light so light would be your exposure because there's a few things a sunlight which is like you're so you know do you burn or do you have tan lines do you burn when you go out in the sun and do you get enough sun exposure like light exposure the morning so there's a certain level of like that's such an energetic rhythm and you don't have to know a bunch of the stuff otherwise it's like generally you would wake up when the sun comes up and you go to that when it goes down roughly speaking and you don't have to do that but you would otherwise know that like before we had you know a button in access to a fake light like that would have been a sis circle okay so like the whole point is I'm not expecting people to go live this perfect ancestral lifestyle because like I'm gonna think I think there's a fetishizing about that that we don't even know we can't prove it to be for sure at all so but I think you can take these allegorical examples of like theoretically this is how it would work so first principles perspective would say yeah okay I can imagine that most people without fire and a lot of fire or like light bulb would have said mmm it's getting dark outside I'm gonna go to bed and it's getting bright outside I'm gonna wake up okay so good so we can take cues that like I generally would have been awake at these times and so I can say my brain would have associated the cues with that then in the middle of the day it's like being I think this idea just sounds to me the idea of being inside like think about that we're both inside that concept would not have existed for like up until I don't know a few hundred years ago maybe three thousand day two one two three thousand years ago inside like as in like a separate like side isn't a kind of way but like inside outside it's just it's so blows my mind that like people would not yeah do you want to come inside my house it's like what I mean inside but what like wait they couldn't understand it so the idea though is we would have been inside and we have exposure and so that sets our brains ability to get light to there's so many different levels without getting too nerdy about it the basic idea is like if you're low on energy like eating the sunlight he sets your energetic circadian rhythm and then also functions of your sleep that's why they overflow but that's you can say first principle is what I'm missing so if I'm low in and just like well how do you been inside all day okay so maybe it's time to go outside and then like start your day finish your day and spend some time middle of day be outside and that's gonna help you energy over that you know good food I look at food what's the you think okay well this basic thing to be would have had and then like how would you know that it's a problem it's okay you either overweight meaning you have too much fat you are or you are nutrient deficient so in a sense like food would function as a way to store calories for the future so store energetic capacity of the future but get nutrients so that's we look at like deficiencies in your skin your hair your nails basic your body to build your heartburn production stuff like that but basically it's like do you feel good do you look good and that's what you look at the cues of like are your skin stuff will do you get like flushes your circulation good is your your nails healthy is your hair healthy do your teeth like are they you know roughly like formed wells or jaw formed wells you can look at like how attractive someone is is really a good measure of how well they have access to food in some sense right so you can look at someone that's and this is probably speaking because obviously we're not going to talk about anorexic models so I guess so there's a different different levels of tractiveness in this in that frame but suffice to say so all right so this simple so anyway onto our sort of first principles are simple thing of approaching food but anyway I do bet something else you said I do think that we over focus on food thinking it has more magical powers than it does but but be that as it may so someone starts to investigate the food aspect then what's our simplest way of in of doing that of inviting that questioning mentality what you eat exists 200 years ago because that I just think that's the simplest thing and that goes like honestly for most of the vegan vegetarians like they can be totally fine it can work for you but it's like this is a modern and luxury based off of the duration ability to have this access to farming and that's like you know in 150 years definitely you can't ask that question because then not only would you be able to say well 200 years ago we had Twinkies but you'd still be able to have one that was so fresh it was made 200 years ago yeah well that's assuming that people I think at that point if we have not managed to have an understanding about nutritionist served as well we're gonna have a little bankrupted every capacity of every free society because of health care so we're already on that path but I mean it's certainly a good start you know was this something my grandparents could have made or gotten asked I mean not even access to because we do get access to things that they couldn't get me getting grapes in the winter I mean that's not gonna happen in the northern hemisphere the fact that you can get them you know two years ago yeah so fine and that's why I think you can look and you don't have to be overly reductionist but like well this latitude we would have had this this season yeah but you know we also have iPhones and I'm happy about that too so like you're looking to say like broadly speaking I don't need to be overly dogmatic about this because there's a lot of things like you know flushing toilets that are great about technology so I'll have to be overly dogmatic about it but I think the funnily little thing I'm saying was there some place that this thing existed in the form I can right now at any point in it's like if there's a no at ever never and you can make the argument things that like the more we'd be able to say they would have been like fish and meat and carrots or something like some types of fruit like okay then but probably would eat those more frequently and then things that like maybe not as always there like you can say a proportion of that and I want to highlight something you just said which is you know don't get too pannies in a water about it because the bananas we have now are not the same bananas they had 200 years ago all different games apples same thing but in fact sometimes some we lost some we gained but suffice it to say you know just don't don't get too uptight about it so we've done all right we've done sleep we've done food we've done we've done light all right we got a couple minutes let's do the other hurry yeah so water for example water I think it goes into like your ability there's a lot of things to go with water but basically I think that's your focus and the sense your joints like your hydration your skin is like a dehydration that a dryness like if you feel dry you feel parched like your body isn't elastic your skin is a pop back there's certain things you can feel that's more of an intuitive thing but like you will feel dry and that's that's a cue for a lot of people say okay have you drinking water you know it's like or do you always the last time you drink something that wasn't flavored and not to say that that's a problem but it's like okay you know like some level like it's okay I have it so that's a little bit broader because I think that there's some of this important but like when's like do you drink when you're thirsty and if you know drinking this basic like an ounce per two pounds body weight or an ounce per kilo like roughly speaking that's gonna be fine right but like you know actually I'm sorry I lied about that is you're in dark purple or is a dark brown like dark yellow like what does your pea look like if your pea is really yellow you need your water if it's really clear if i was wearing less water and if your pea is dark purple you are on shrooms dude sorry that purple that's what I meant the first principle is like yeah look at your body and it's like okay one of those you drink it too much one and drink it a little I'll tell you use the color then the next one you get movement in a sense I think movement is basically like a level of pain and it's like a joint in a sense your joints feel good do you feel stiff do you feel tight like you know there is something like do you have pain in your body and that pain can be a finger it can be anything going on your muscles feel stiff like you'll know like when you get up it's like you know what hurts and if you don't hurt that's good it's okay like it's okay to not hurt I think there's a level of people want things to be did they want running people get really known and talk about running because I think it's like well they're like well it's supposed to be hard and I'm like no it's not like it's really it's a fundamental weekend run and it shouldn't take that much energy it's like you wanted to be hard to burn the calories and that stuff but that's what i'm speaking but if your body hurts yeah and so you say okay you have I've got out of my chair have I sat in for more than 30 minutes instead of the spot like and the last one um breathing I think breathing is where you look at the the inner psychological status like you stress you overwhelmed you anxious are you tense do you're you're running a teeth then in which case most of the time you're mouth breathing you're in sympathetic state of like okay I'm hyped up breathing is how we access that parasympathetic which is a calm rest digest phase the meditation is mindful that's just calm taking a second so you know it's one of those like how do you feel good you feel good you anxious you're depressed or overwhelmed like yeah how's it breathing and it's like okay well just take a second and catch a breath you know it's like there's a reason for some of these these uh these statements one of the things that I find interesting is the challenge to some of this for some people is that one of the other functions uh that our brain does forces habituating and so we'll have a certain kind of pain a certain kind of tension for example and if for a while the brain just goes I gotta stop paying attention to that because it's too distracting so we just don't notice and it takes someone to point it out which typically we don't respond well to so someone says you do your little type of whole relax um I'm not I'm relaxed oh jeez take a breath I'm breathing holy crap man um so you know things like that um but uh that's actually another interesting thing that I'm just playing with my brain right now it's like what can I I don't even know how to ask the question because you know how do you become aware of something you think of the snow globe say again how do you check out the snow globe when you're so used to doing something the United Pay Engine had you yeah how do you check the snow globe how do you how do you bring your awareness to something that your awareness is shut your shut you off from um is an interesting question I don't have an answer for it but that's a fun one what so I would look at say I think there's um that's not the there's the people there's the school of not the Epicureans um there's like the angst of the Greeks that were very chad they like were specific about what they there's Jamie wheels written stuff about it's not so but they're basically the people that were like very reserved very specific very like you know they did this but every now and they've just like things up it's that's where certain things like scheduling in things and so basically I would like by first I would be like you know things like psychedelics and like hard workouts and challenging things but that's where there's a whole level of like scheduling in routine things that can be vacation so you don't know your stress to work to your own vacation you have to create whatever the opposite is if you're normal thing you have to get out of that thing so you don't know you're hung you don't know what hunger is for you stop eating in a sense like you or you don't know your full like the opposite of that so if you don't know I'm like scheduling a thing like I have a god vacation I have a head of mental break I had a movement like you know try doing those things in movement sessions I think that's I could think more formally way of saying it but I have a real simple version of that that I noticed that I do is I pay attention to habitual movements like I noticed that I was putting my pants on left leg first so I spent the last three months trying to stop myself and always doing right leg first about two weeks ago I realized I'm now ambalex stress or whatever that would be and without thinking I just switched back and forth from one to the other in a way that I wasn't doing before so I always look for like what's that thing that I do I always sit on my left butt cheek when I'm in the car what am I doing that for so you know now I'm like focusing on my right butt cheek I don't know why and until I find you know going back and forth is sort of fabulous and so maybe that's one way in it's just well I think the underlying I agree I just say but I think the underlying question is how do you get someone to bring awareness to the fact that they have habitual patterns that's a lot yeah it is I mean luckily for things like how you brush your teeth how you put on your pants how you put on a shirt there's some things that we do encounter so frequently that I'm hoping that my mentioning one of those might make people go oh you know here's a funny one related to my business I never knew there were so many ways to tie your shoes until I started going to trade shows and watching people put on a pair of shoes and seeing how they tied their shoes absolutely hundred different ways of tying your shoes find a new one you know like just look for these things that we do on a daily basis and and see if there's a there there for trying a different one and the shoes is hysterical or find the way you know you do long division go get online find another way to do it I have a certain fondness so I like your idea basically do the opposite but you have to figure out what the first thing is before you can find this opposite and give it a whirl I think that's why movement is so valuable because it's like movement is the it's how we form trust with our body and it's the big one that's available to us like starting your curious adventure like think of gymnastics is like make new it's like I think it's like a new naked movement something like that like literally it's just like kids would have gone to school movement and learning weren't bifurcad it was like you just go to school and you move and you learn how to be curious about things as evidence by your body and then from there you can start asking your questions about like purpose and meaning and so that's why I'm going to like you can't find them until you think bigger until you've taken care of the three basic feedback your body's giving I see that I hate to do this because we could do this all day and go in many different directions but I got to pee so actually I got a meeting two minutes but that was fun to say I got to pee which I do but you know I'll wait so to wrap things up if people want to find out more about this to dive into this with you a bit more and experience what to be like to not have to go down this path of always looking outside for some magic solution for our special little snowflake self but make this whole health and wellness thing simpler and more enjoyable how can they find you so in social media is going to be the best tiktok instagram youtube it's the barefoot sprinter but basically I've got three one month long courses that teach people about their body and get them get inspired to move against the solid pain points in their entire system and they like themselves again but really be all by the beauty that is your body that sounds delightful this has been again a total pleasure every time we chat so go check out what he's up to let us know what you experienced when you do and then just a plug for us once again a reminder go to www.jointhemovementmovement.com to find previous episodes all the places you can find podcasts ways you can interact with us on facebook and instagram and youtube and etc etc and you know share it spread the word 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