Episode 22: Pramod John, CEO of VIVIO Health

In this episode of the Digital Health Heavyweights podcast, Norm Volsky interviews Pramod John, CEO of VIVIO, who discusses his journey from technology to healthcare, the inefficiencies of the current healthcare system, and the mission of VIVIO to provide data-driven solutions that improve patient outcomes while reducing costs. Pramod emphasizes the need to rethink the role of pharmacy benefit managers (PBMs) and advocates for a healthcare model that prioritizes transparency and efficiency. He shares insights on the importance of data in healthcare decision-making and the responsibility of leaders to act in the best interests of patients and the healthcare system. Takeaways 💡 Pramod John transitioned from tech to healthcare to address large-scale problems. 💰 The U.S. spends almost as much on healthcare as the rest of the world combined. 🕵️‍♂️ Healthcare inefficiencies are likened to a 'mobbed up' industry. 🚫💊 VIVIO aims to eliminate the need for PBMs in healthcare. 📊 Data is crucial for determining the right drug for the right patient. 🏥 Healthcare should be treated as a public trust, not a public trust fund.🎯 The right drug for the right person at the right price is VIVIO's mission. ⚠️ Incentives in healthcare often lead to poor decision-making. ❌📦 The PBM model is unnecessary and should be replaced. 🧑‍⚕️💬 Healthcare leaders have a social responsibility to act in the best interests of patients. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Pramod John and VIVIO 02:05 The Shift from Tech to Healthcare 04:13 Understanding Healthcare Expenditures 07:03 Founding Oration and Lessons Learned 15:07 Building Teams and Managing People 18:02 The Mission of VIVIO 23:01 Data-Driven Healthcare Solutions 26:56 Challenging the PBM Model 31:00 The Case Against PBMs 36:10 Incentives and Accountability in Healthcare 39:34 The PBM Tax and Its Impact 39:44 Using Data for Effective Drug Management 45:17 Personal Health Practices and InsightsFollow, connect and subscribe:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/digital-health-heavyweights-podcastYoutube: https://youtube.com/@DigitalHealthHeavyweightsInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/digitalhealthheavyweights/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heavyweightspodcast