This may not be true, but I was told that somebody asked Sigmund Freud as he was dying, if he had to sum up everything that he knew in one sentence, what would be? And he said, apparently, no one's ever upset for the reason they think they are can live by that one. Well, maybe that's true about bodies as well. Maybe you're not in pain for the reason you think you are.
We're going to find out more about that on today's episode of the movement movement podcast, the podcast for people who want to know the truth about what it takes to have a happy, healthy, strong body starting typically feet first, because those things apparently are your foundation. We break down the propaganda mythology. Sometimes the outright lies that people have told you about what it takes to walk or run or play or hike or do yoga or cross, but whatever it is you'd like to do, and to do that enjoyably to mention enjoyably. I know you have a trick question because look, if you're not having fun, do something different till you are.
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Frank, pleasure to welcome you here. I'm not going to do an intro. I'm going to let you tell people who the hell you are and what the hell you're doing here. Well, I don't know what the intro is.
I have a whole new story. Well, wait, you can start with your whole name, which I didn't do. Frank Titus. Thank you.
Now, what are you doing here? Who are you? I developed a Titus motion therapy, and I started this journey from my own aches and pains, really. I was doing squats at USC, and this is after being through Ranger School and doing all this stuff.
And I was at USC in South Carolina. And I was doing squats, I just started working out and I heard a pop. And I was like, that's probably not great. And I was leaving the gym, walking down the hall to the locker room just to get my keys and leave.
And I got about halfway down the hall and bam, flat on the floor, face down, couldn't not move my legs at all. It turned out to be a herniated disc. And so face down, and if I move my legs, I was, you know, in tears. And this is after being through Ranger School.
So you can imagine it was pretty bad. And it seemed like forever that I was lying there, but it may have been a minute. It seemed like forever. And finally, somebody walked by and they said, Hey, are you okay?
I'm like, no, clearly not. Clearly not. Clearly not. Yeah, the people just lay down in the hallway.
USC for people just a face plan. I mean, I don't know what's going on with you, but yeah, I don't know what's going on. Is this coming? So I had just had my son and I was 22.
And so I'm freaking out. And they bring a stretcher and they strap me down, you know, back in those days, I don't know what they do now. And I got to the hospital. They said, you have a herniated disc, we are going to inject you full of a bunch of drugs go in bed rest for three days.
And after three days, I was hunched over and bent to one side. And they told me to go to the chiropractor. And I did. And it helped.
But I had to continue getting chiropractic treatments for the next five or six years. So it really wasn't fixing the problem. I was just getting worked on. I wasn't getting well.
You know, the joke about the chiropractor, Sanjay, that's almost a hand you yank it really hard and go see it two more days. Oh, my goodness. Well, I'll tell you what I think it's funny about chiropractic. But I got accepted to chiropractic school and PT school because of my process that I was going through.
But I just find it interesting that you will lay down on a table and they'll go, Oh, we have one leg longer than the other. Then they'll adjust you and they'll go, Hey, well, your legs are even now. Like, what did my leg grow longer? Like, what actually happened?
And saying that though, I think chiropractic is great initial treatment and problem. Anyways, I moved out to California, I accepted to a paid internship, internship paid that $100 for 40 hours work. Don't spend a lot of place. And that was difficult.
But my son was out here, my ex-wife, and I moved out here. And I answered a little bit of ad in the one ads, you know, the employment or unemployment ads in the San Diego trip. And I started working with this clinic. And it really changed the way I was thinking.
And then I read a book by Otis Kendall. And it showed how physical therapy used to work. And it used to work that you would evaluate someone's posture. And you would know what was tight and what was weak and you would fix that.
And regardless if it was a foot problem, a knee problem, a hip problem, a back problem, a neck problem, if you corrected those tight and weak things, the misalignments, the dysfunctions, then wherever it was, it would go away. But now in PT, it's more symptoms driven. You know, if you have a knee problem, they're working on that knee, whether you are 90 or you're 10, you're getting the same thing. You can't think outside the box.
So that book really changed everything. And I moved up to Los Angeles and started Titus Bush in therapy in 1995. So let's back up. Out of the back of my car, by the way.
That's a hell of an office. It's not as nice as it sounds. You know, the best thing to do if you're living in the back of your car is order pizza from Domino's and make them chase you. That would be awesome.
Yeah, it's a fun one. So back up to this whole thing, looking at people's posture and identifying what's strong, what's weak, what's in an environment. So imagine, you know, some people are, well, the magic question is what are you looking for is the first part of the question? What are you identifying and how are you doing that?
Well, visually, if someone's, I always start the hips, because I think the hips are the foundation. So if one hip is higher than the other, start with that when you look at them visually, straight on. And then you can look down at the knees or the knees like headlights, or they turned out or in, right? The angle from the hip, you know, in or out or like, I'm a little bit like it.
Then your feet are turned out a little bit and then are losing an arch on one and have an arch on the other foot. I mean, you're into the flex and I love the whole aspect of your shoes. And basically your shoes just, you know, embracing your feet, not bracing the feet, but in the. Dude, I am so upset that after 11 and a half years of doing this, I never thought of that line.
All right. Well, I just copyrighted it. So you owe me. I'll get your pair of shoes.
I know I got. So then you look at, yeah, one hip that's higher than the other and then a shoulder is going to, shoulder girl is going to respond to the pelvic girl, right? So if you, let's say, you're standing and you can move your shoulders, but your pelvic girl, your lower body doesn't really have to move. But if you move your pelvic girl, your shoulders respond.
And so shoulder problems are actually pelvic girl problems. And when you walk, when you take a step, the initial movement starts from your hip. It doesn't start from your foot, actually. It starts from the hip and it goes down.
And when you take a step with your left foot, your right arm is. So then there's a whole kinetic chain, you know, like a wave of things that are going to go on. And if there's one little link in that chain that is broken or not working, then obviously there's going to be a problem where the problem is depends on how your body compensates. So here's where we go back to our my Freudian intro.
All right. That I mean, just what you said already, if you got a shoulder problem, there's going to most likely be a hip cause or a hip thing to tend to, right, paying attention to the shoulder itself. I had that experience. I mean, I'm a former American gymnast.
I don't know one gymnast who walks out of that with good shoulders. And I had, you know, some shoulder issues that were going on. And someone just put me on a slant board up against a wall and said, just stand there until everything is relaxed and you're basically standing flat against the wall. And 20 minutes later, some things had kind of loosened up in my hips a little.
I didn't know what was going on. Is it check your shoulder range of motions? Like, oh my God, it's like 90% better, which was the weirdest thing I'd ever experienced. So you're looking for either imbalances or things that I'm trying to think of the right way to put this.
And you're doing this with someone just standing or when they're in motion as well. So I evaluate the front view and then I'll side view, you know, and then you're from the side, you can see the, it should be, hips are a little forward and the shoulder, I don't know which way to do this. That's the way you know, one way forward, the other way is back. So this is your booty.
So it's moved back because they're weak a little bit. Then the shoulders are going to respond and they're going to round a little bit, right? And depending on if there's an anterior tilt of the pelvic or a posture, it depends, it'll tell you what muscles are weak and what are strong and where to start the process. Because if someone has a back problem where they are anterior tilt or posture tilted, that's going to make a huge difference.
Both of those people the same set of exercises and expect to get the same results. That's one of my favorite phenomenon when people talk about orthotics. I go, have you ever noticed that they recommend orthotics, whether you have flat feet or high arches? These are two totally different situations and they're giving you the same quote cure.
Something seems a bit awry in my mind. Yes, because you know, I just worked on someone this morning in one foot, what had a fallen arch and she was a professional ice skater and she could see that. And I had her pay attention to that. She'd been through, I don't know, 10 different treatment programs and nothing had worked.
And within four days she was texting me and saying, what did you do? Did you tap me with the magic wand? I'm like, no, what we're going to do is individualized towards what's going on with you. It's not a cookie cutter thing.
It sounds like you're missing a serious opportunity to sell magic wands. Yes, I am. I just put out an Amazon order today. When they come in, that'll give you something else to sell people.
I'll send you some so you can use them on all of your podcasts. I'll just trade you another pair of shoes for a magic wand. It's the first page. Eventually, you're going to end up with a lot of shoes.
I don't know what I mean. So I love where you just went with that. So this is an individualized thing. It's not a cookie cutter process.
And this is not surprising because you're going to see unique situations for unique people. So you've identified, you can see these imbalances. You can see whether it's supposed to your interior left or right. Talk about what you then do with people if there's strengthening and stretching involved.
And I'm particularly interested in this because, so I like to say, you know, there's almost nothing that's strength can't cure, but there's sometimes where things are too strong and there's sometimes where the things are weak because there's something on the other side that's being that's overactive, a little too strong. So I'm really curious to hear how you then craft something and what are the kind of interventions that you do to work with people. So I could answer that in like eight different directions. I think that you want me to answer first because I will lose track of- Give me a wacky case study and please mention names and give addresses that sort of describes, you know, what somebody might experience if they were working with you.
And of course, at some point, because there are many people who are not necessarily going to be able to come to LA, but I hear a rumor that you're able to also use your magic wand through the inner tubes. Yes, I worked with someone yesterday in San Francisco from my sailboat in Long Beach, California. So if I can see someone and I can watch them walk and move, then I can tell them what to do or show them what to do. I can even send a text video and all of that stuff.
So that's not an issue. Even when people come when I had an office, when they would come in, there's no equipment. There's no hands on. Cool.
So that's super interesting. It occurs to me. If we can, if you can think of something that's, and this is going to be a horrible thing to ask, but I'm going to ask it anyway. I think it's something that's a relatively common thing that you see, like in, you know, group of 100 people, you're seeing it in some significant percentage of that group of people.
And I say that because maybe in however many people are listening to this, there will be some number of people who will have whatever we're about to strive and then something they could do, basically to have an experience of what we're talking about rather than have just a concept of what we're talking about. Can you think of anything that fits that category? Absolutely. 80% of the planet has back problems.
So working on the planet is hard because the planet has horrible internet connectivity. So and to see the planet walk, you've got to have a perspective. It is 80% of the people on the planet. Okay, that's a whole different story.
So, so that was a good one. Just smart. I have people start with, you know, it's almost like a 911 routine and I have an ebook on my website so that people can download very easily. And you start with, on your back, knees bent, feet up on a chair, right?
Everybody has a chair. So you don't need any amazing equipment or anything. And that's actually the position that astronauts take off in, right? Because gravitational pull is working the least.
So if you're in that position, everything can really chill and relax. And then the other thing is exercise I call supine groin stretch. And that's with one leg up on the chair and one leg out on the floor. And that will passively stretch out.
You're not going to feel a stretch. We'll passively lengthen the psoas muscle because stretch that muscle too aggressively, which happens a lot of times in PT and training and stuff like that. You can get a stretch reflex. I think we talked about that and we have not actually so if you can define that for humans.
Well, stretch that you stretch something really aggressively, but the muscle in that length, it doesn't know that something else is going to support that range of motion or that posture or anything. So it can reflex back shorter than what you actually started. And that happens a lot of times with back problems. Like if you're so many people hurt their backs vacuuming, right?
Because you're one side and you're rotating and elongation and it's too quick and too much and it'll snap back. So that's similar to what I'm talking about. So these first two, I don't want to call them exercises. These first two things that you described, lying on your back, basically calves up on the chair.
So you've got 90 degrees, 90 degree angle at your knees, 90 degree angle at your hips. You're resting there for some period of time. Five minutes and just breathe and do nothing and that alone will let everything relax. And then the next version is having one foot or one leg flat on the ground with the other one still on the chair.
So these are relaxation things to let things elongate a bit in a natural way. Is there a strength component as well for dealing with that condition? After that, because what happens, I always talk about taking a baby to the gym. So what we're going to do is we're going to eat long.
Let's say, right, this is the correct range of motion, right? You are here. This is where you are strong. You can do stuff.
So when I open this up, here you are weak, right? This is like the baby at the gym. Or when you haven't been to the gym and you do a bunch of bicep curls and you're like, oh my God. So you have to get to here and then strengthen here.
And then stretch a little more and then strengthen here. And then figure range of motion and then strengthen there. It's a process. It's not going to happen instantaneously.
I typically see people once a week or eight weeks and they have canceled their surgery. That's a good one. I had situations where people have said to me things like, I plan to fashionitis and I look at them and I go, no, actually, I don't. I don't think of what, I got his doctor and asked me who told me.
And I said, yeah, yeah, your doctor's wrong. He's trying to get you to surgery, right? They go, well, yeah, I've got to schedule for next week. I go, okay, so you actually got tight calves that are pulling under a fashion.
I go, you don't have a plan to fashionitis. And I can demonstrate that and I show them that. And suddenly they're, you know, running or walking pain free. But then they look at me like, I'm crazy.
I go, dude, just because I look like this and don't have letters after my name doesn't get it wrong. I love it. I said, I said, FYI, I was a pre-med. And my friends who actually went to medical school were not my smartest friends.
I said, Dennis used to say 80% of the people doing any job aren't qualified to be doing that job. And most of the time that's what you're seeing. So I like this whole idea that you're going to start in the range of motion where you do have strength and you're slowly expanding that. But so using the back pain example, what are some of the things that you would do on the strengthening side?
Because I'm assuming even though you have no equipment in your office, you're not sending people to go to gym to then go do, you know, fill in the blank exercise. Yeah, again, it depends on what someone looks like. But you know, the posture alignment and the way that they're moving, the level of symptom, you know, if somebody comes to me, if you come to me and you're the symptom of a 10 and you can't get out of bed, that's going to be different than someone that comes to me and says their back pain is a five, but they're concerned. So that will change things.
That age of people, can they get up and down off the floor? Right. And the reason why to me, why people can't get up and down off the floor a lot of times, or they're scared to, is because they haven't done it. Interesting.
Because again, it's like baby to the gym thing. You're trying to stand up, but you can't recruit the right muscles to even fathom how to do that. So there's that. And then there's the anterior posterior tilt, a posterior pelvic tilt or flattening up the back.
That's very, very weak so as someone with the anterior tilt, that's an overactive so as muscle or hip flex, right? I don't know how we want to talk about how, you know, I don't want to sound like I'm super smart, but someone that I don't think you have to worry about that. Oh, okay, good. Thank you.
I appreciate that. It's one of my favorite lines. David Letterman was interviewing Tina Fey and he says something and he says, you know, I'm not as dumb as I look and she said, how could that be possible? That's awesome.
Well, I'm from Indiana and we used to watch David Letterman. Yeah. When he was a brother man, yes. It was awesome back then.
He would interview people on the street and he's just, I just love David Letterman. So I'm glad you brought it around Indiana. They always land in Indiana. People love that.
Yeah, like Dan Quail, potato potato. Anyway, someone who has, let's say a posterior or flattening of their low back, we might start with just having them stand against the wall. And a lot of times they're so, turns out, they're so rounded through here and tilted under in their back just to stand against the wall is sometimes impossible. Do you get their head back there and when they get their head back there, they're pulling it back and looking up here because it's so rounded.
Right. So what you do, what you're basically doing is just reengaging all the muscles that are supposed to hold them up in the vertical position. And then you can do blue contractions or abductor presses or scapular contractions all from just that position. And after that, they won't feel better.
And they're like, you know, I didn't know that. Or they didn't know that they couldn't put their head back against the wall without, you know, looking way up. Right. Here's a weird question for you.
So a lot of these patterns that we get into, I mean, obviously they don't have an immediately, usually they have an over time. We become somewhat, I would argue unconsciously identified with them. They're part of our sense of self. So when you're having people discover this sort of new alignment, if you will, or this new relationship with certain parts of their body, some that are weak and are getting stronger, some that are overly stressed and are struggling to relax.
Have you seen people experience any changes or even difficulties with sort of that, you know, who am I now if I'm not the person with rounded shoulders, a flat and posterior tilted pelvis, etc. Or is it really, is it just, you know, all hallelujah, chorus, angels flying, unicorn dust, etc. It's mostly unicorn dust. And how do you clean up the unicorn dust in your office?
Because I went to Home Depot, I could not find a good unicorn dust pan. What? There's one of those vacuum things you put on the bucket. Okay.
All right. I'll go look for that. So anyway, but back to the point, things change differently with different people. Some people have held on to emotional things and regarded themselves.
And when you started opening things up, there can be a really big emotional release. And on the other side, I would say like myself, like, you know, I grew up on a farm. So when my something hurt, we didn't talk about it because I know the grandpa would hit the other hand and go, yeah, I was that first one here. And you just go through it.
And so when my back started hurting, I was more like, this is just my life. So you just go through the process and you're like, Oh, you know, this is just how I'm gonna hurt. And but in reality, when you start getting better through this process, you realize, at least I get, first of all, you're fixing yourself, like, I'm not really doing anything. I'm showing just people how to use the hammer.
They have to go home use it. Right. You don't realize how good you can feel. That's, I think a big, a very big thing that people just go through the process every day and they go get treatment, but they're not getting well.
And in this process, people realize, well, I didn't realize that I could, you know, take care of myself and feel this way. That's a really interesting situation because, you know, we've grown up in a culture that, thanks to the magic of marketers, has really given us the idea that there's a simple solution to everything and it's just buying the right product. And the idea that you need to change something about you, right, antithesis, right, we are often looking for how do you talk about that? Well, rather than taking responsibility for your own stuff, you're trying to get fixed by something else.
And I think for me, and I think most of my patients, it's very empowering to know that if you do this process and you continue on even after you're out of pain, that you can heal yourself. And it's very empowering meaning it builds confidence. I mean, it really changes the whole aspect of all that. And again, they don't, I use no equipment.
So if you're camping in Yosemite, then you can do most of these things. The answer your question. No, it did actually. But do you have people who come to you who are, let's say, so committed to being a problem that just needs a solution that they're, you know, unwilling to just do the simple things that you're asking them to do or, you know, they'd rather have the identity of the broken person who's looking for the magic fix than actually taking that kind of responsibility.
Absolutely. What are you doing that situation? Do you just kind of wipe your hands of it or I mean, it's it really depends on the, again, on the situation because there's psychological aspects and emotional. I mean, those are similar stressful aspects in activity over activity.
There's all these different things. And I've found that people that use, I mean, I used to use insurance. People that use insurance and depended only on insurance didn't do their routines. Because they had no skin in the game.
Yeah. People that were on workers comp didn't do their exercises and were afraid to say that they were feeling better because some people in situations, that's their total income. So they were afraid to lose that income. I'm not saying everybody, nothing is a blanket statement, but people that pay have the they are in, they're more in and complete and they will continue on.
And, you know, I tell people to come back every six months or so and make sure you're doing it right. And it puts responsibility on them to actually do it, you know, they're like, oh, I'm gonna see Frank in a month. I'm gonna start doing like, I wrote a joke about that in my head this morning. It's like, I always schedule a to a dental cleaning, like two months after my birthday, because that way my birthday reminds me I got to start flossing again.
So I'm not embarrassing myself. That is a good one. Yeah. Now keep in mind my dad was a dentist.
So this is cringing right now. Like watches this. That would be tricky since he died seven years ago. Thanks for bringing that up, Frank.
All right. Cut. We're out. Oh, man.
So sorry. No, it's okay. So it's been seven years. You just said something that, oh, I have a friend who's a doctor.
Do you know what prolotherapy is? Yes. So for people who don't know, prolotherapy, you're injecting the ligaments and tendons to basically initiate a feeling response. And I was asking my friend Tom, who's the guy who taught prolotherapy to most people in America?
I said, you know, where's the research about prolotherapy? Because I can tell you the research, I charge $450 per shot. It's excruciatingly painful. And people come back for more.
And it was something that, you know, that saved my knee. I blown out my knee and ripped up a bunch of things and two prolotherapy treatments after two years of physical therapy and suddenly everything was better. But anyway, point being, I love what you're saying that when you do have some skin in the game and you experience the results, that really is sort of the holy grail, if you will, and people can argue with it and blah, blah, blah, blah. There were some other questions I was asked.
So what are the things that when people walk in the door and they don't really know a lot about what you do other than they've heard that you can help them with the pain they're in? Are there any sort of like myths about health, wellness, fitness, healing, etc. that you run into that you have to debunk? I mean, we're all about debunking mythology on this podcast.
Anything you can think of in the, let's call it physical therapy world other than the things we've already talked about, like symptomology, etc. That you run into that you find yourself on. I can't believe people believe this and you have to respond to. Yeah, prolotherapy.
All right, good call. Good call. It's called PRP and not the frillo therapy. Well, let me before you say it, when I asked my friend Tom about PRP, platelet rich plasma therapy, whatever they're calling it, he said, yeah, it's just prolo for people who don't know how to do prolo and the platelet part is complete hand waving.
Right. So I worked on Kobe Bryant in 2011 and that was the only year that he had zero injuries. And if you look at like 2010, he was really having trouble getting a lift and, you know, dunking and all these things. And 2011, I worked on what was great was I got to see my work on the extreme, you know, three times a week.
And he was doing a 360s and all of these things. But the German doctor that was going to be PRP of prolo therapy, he had paid Kobe 30, 40, $50,000 to talk about it all the time. Well, Kobe decided to go that direction rather than with me and Tim Grover, who was Michael Jordan's trainer and he was Kobe's trick for seven years and he dropped us. And after that, Kobe's career went down in South and I actually sent a email to the Lakers and to his assistant and to him and to Rob Blake, his agent and said, look, because he had towards the kills.
And I said, you know, I've swatched him on TV. The email said, you guys are paying too much attention to the killings and not the function of what's going on in his knee. Within two weeks, his knee gave out and he had to have knee surgery. But there's so many different stories about that.
And even Alex Rodriguez, he did the prolo therapy for his hip. But if you don't change the function of your whole body, then it's not going to fix it indefinitely. So Alex Rodriguez had to have hip flex. And you know, backing up to it, you know, my dad's line 80% of people don't know how to do it.
The thing that happened with PRP is that it gave people who really didn't understand how or when to use something like prolo therapy, the ability to a do it without training and be get like backing up, get insurance money. That was sort of the magic thing about PRP is they figured out a way to make it insurable by plasma part, which is the part that does absolutely nothing. So to me, I mean, obviously it works. I mean, it will definitely help.
But it's like again, go back to like a hinge on a door. If that hand is misaligned and you just put a bunch of oil on it, it's still misaligned and inevitably, or, you know, it's going to break down. I mean, well, the way I'd frame prolo is when there's a situation where, I mean, Tom's very clear about it. The thing that prolo is good for is ligament laxity often is a result of an injury, where, you know, your body is going to heal for enough time until you're functional again, but not back to where you should be.
But people are again over prescribing this, if you will, because it's the new fun thing that they know how to do is looking at ultrasound and stick a needle in you. Right. And but if you did that and that it will, I'm sure it will work better than this and it will work better than that. Yeah, the right time and right place in the right instrument.
And that's part of my treatment is basically no other modality is going to interfere with what I'm going to do. Like if you want to go get acupuncture or chiropractic adjustment or whatever, I'm still going to do the same thing. Right. And it will get better.
And I don't really need applause to send a lot of money. I like the way that works. So after you started figuring this out, and this kind of, you know, you started putting this together how long ago? I started 92 is when I got out of college and came out here, came out to San Diego, and then 95 is when I started working out of my car, started my own business up in Los Angeles.
Because there's nothing people trust more than a medical practitioner working out of his car. Or a medical practitioner working out of myself. So yeah, I get out. So about a little better than working out of college.
So in those 20 years, what have you sort of how is it evolved and what have you discovered that was surprising to you? So many things. I think probably the most amazing part is that, oh gosh, that's a really loaded question. It is because I got accepted to chiropractic school and physical therapy school.
And that's what kind of worked with me with my aches and pains, how uneducated I really was. And how I think chiropractic has a really good sense of how to sell things because I don't think an ongoing treatment plan with a chiropractor is good. It's like taking a laxative for the rest of your life. You know, because I mean, some people need it.
But what happens is if you keep taking laxatives, then the muscles that are supposed to help with that, they stop working. Yeah, the same with chiropractic. If you just go in and have them put you in the right position, the muscles that are supposed to do that, well quit doing that. And so now you're reliant on that.
And then the physical therapy aspect, it was amazing to me. I had to really unlearn a lot of stuff. It was amazing that it was so symptom oriented. Then we talked about that already.
And the other thing I think is the people that when I first started working, it was the people that no one else could fix. And so they would send me these people. And then I was still at the ability 95% of the time to keep people out of surgery that was scheduled for surgery. So it was people who continue to get worked on and they don't get well.
So here's perhaps the most important question of the time that we've had together. And I can't believe it's taking me this long to ask, what's with the antique telescope behind you? That is Ben's creation. I know I'm looking for the meaning of life.
I had to say. Yeah, you need a much bigger telescope for that. More much smaller. One of those.
You either need a smaller one, hard to say which. So given that what you're describing is in some ways kind of radical compared to what many other people are doing when they're treating the same kind of people who come to you, what's next for getting the word out? Well, things like this, I have a website, types of therapy.com, I have a YouTube, I have all that stuff. But I'm also not planning to start teaching this to people so that I can sail around the world and just teach and relax and grow my hair out as long as yours.
Yeah, it's going to take a while. All right, trust me. Have you tried teaching other people how to do this yet? Yes.
What's that going like? Well, before they resuscitated, oh, eight, then helped me get a radio show. And for two and a half years in Los Angeles, we had the number one live talk radio show in all of Los Angeles. And we started getting 40 new patients a week.
And it was, yeah, it was a really big deal. And we had three facilities and I had 12 therapists. So I taught all of those people. I would just kind of oversee what was going on.
And so yeah, I've done that, but I wanted to get a little bit more organized and teachable so that I could teach more and more people. And now I can do it online and all that stuff. It's intriguing to be thinking about teaching again, back to this thing of whether people have eyes to see, if the fundamental diagnostic process, if you will, is really looking at someone's body at how it stands, how it moves. I've seen certainly with coaches of various kinds, you know, some people have good eyes, some people not so good.
Some people are, you know, how do you deal with that when you're looking to find other people to take what you've done and move it out into the world? That is a great question. And I'm going to be so humble right now, because when I started in that clinic in San Diego, because I thought I was going to PT school or chiropractic school, I started this job just to have a job and to be able to, you know, pay the rent. And I remember I was sitting behind this therapist and he was moving the cursor and changing how people's person posture looked and this and that and the other.
And I remember standing this is no joke. I remember standing behind him and thinking, oh my God, I will never be able to do this and how long can I fake it before I'm fired? So you really have to, my process was yet to unlearn. And my process also is to just to make it simple and start simple.
And you know, now people, I would say it on the radio show, but it's like, you can walk across the room and I could tell you where your aches and pains are. And people would literally come and test me. And they'd be like, well, what do you think? I'm not filling out this medical history thing.
I don't know. And I would watch it and I'd tell them, like, all right, how do I sign up? That's great. You can teach me.
I think I can teach. Well, see, yeah, that's the humble part because often we have some unusual idiosyncratic, you know, unique to us thing that we don't recognize is special about us that allows us to do in this case, what you're doing. I mean, like, my weird thing is I've been good at teaching movement to people since I was like seven or eight. I mean, I remember, you know, was doing it then because for whatever reason, I've got to knack for identifying what the kind of common factor for some movement is.
And the things that I've learned over the years, tap dancing, Zen archery, yoga, Tai Chi, I mean, a whole list of things. I usually end up teaching them relatively soon after I start to learn them because I can just sort of spot those things. But I also see, I used to travel quite a bit and I'd go to Ikeeto schools and I discovered that the guy who was running the school did not know anything about what he was doing. And I would discover this, unfortunately, by pointing it out to him at his own school, which led to things like people trying to break my arm or dislocate my shoulder because I thought everyone was interested in knowing the truth.
But instead, they just wanted to make sure they look good in front of their students. So that was problematic. I get that I've worked on a lot of people that are professional athletes, the Olympic athletes or whatever. And I can humble them within a few minutes because if I look at them, I can see where the weaknesses are and what they actually need to do.
So it's interesting to, I remember a guy in San Diego, he was like the, he was a police officer. He was like the squad champion of California or something. And I put him into a position that actually used his thighs in a total different position. And I put a little old lady, probably she's my age now, but back when I was younger, no, she was probably 70.
And I put her next to him against the wall. And she had been through the whole treatment. So I knew she was able to do it. And he lasted a little over a minute.
And she lasted like over two minutes. I'm like, okay, are you ready to figure out that I know more than you and that there are some weak areas that need to be fixed? Just like what you're saying. Yeah, was this like doing like a wall sit?
Yeah, similar. The way I do it is going to be different than what she's learned. Oh, really? Oh, yeah.
Oh, really? Are you going to say nothing more after I say a really a third time? No, really. I'm saying, I'm so curious now.
Well, we can do it later, and you could video it. All right. Well, yeah, but you'd have to move the chains of the wall and do it. There's the wall goes beyond what you can see on the screen.
Believe it or not, there's things that extend beyond your field of vision. It's a crazy thing. I don't know what's behind the screen behind you for all of my. It's just a bunch of telescopes.
Oh, I was going to say that's where you keep the bodies. Well, I didn't want to say that out loud. I appreciate it. You're secret safe with me.
No one's listening. I'm good. Good. Good.
Get the trunk open, guys. Get a bigger car next time. Where's the bleach? I can't believe we ran out of lie again.
We could get doing this all day. So this has been a total pleasure and really intriguing and I can only imagine, but I'm sure I won't have to imagine. There are people who are listening or watching who are having some sort of ache or pain or something that has plagued them that hopefully now they're going to go, hmm, this is something I might want to check out and see if this is a better solution. Me taking responsibility under the guidance of someone who knows how to see.
How might they find you? I know you've already said it, but now let's do this in a condensed fashion. Tell people how to track you down and find out what you're doing, how they can be helped with you. Well, the easiest way is tight is motion therapy.
My name is TITUS and motiontherapy.com and you can just google that or you can google my name for titus or I have no problem with anyone calling me, my cell and home and office number, all the same 3107532011 and I would love to offer you a free session and we can trade for a beautiful pair of shoes. We can trade for any kind of shoes. So that sounds delightful. I'm always up to exploring and discovering something about what my body is or isn't doing.
And by the way, when you get out your phone number like that, I do the same thing. I send out an email that to people when they join or listen and say, you know, if you want to contact me, here's my number. A couple of times a week, I get phone calls that sound like this. Hello, this is Steven.
Oh my God. I imagine you get the same. Right. They're like, oh, it's actually you.
Yeah. Yeah. It's my favorite. I don't have anything to hack.
So just give me a buzz. I feel the same way. Well, Frank, this has been a total total pleasure. I hope people do avail themselves of what you're doing and experience the benefits of doing that.
For everyone who's listening, thank you for being here. As always, if you want to find out more about what we're doing with the movement movement, like I said at the top, go to www.jointhemovementmovement.com. If you have any requests, anyone you think should be on the show, if you want to tell me I've got my head up my butt, anything you want to share directly, you can drop me an email at move at jointhemovementmovement.com. I'm not handing out my phone number on this one because I'm a little tired right now, but it's findable.
And other than that, I can't think of anything other than as I love to say at the end of everything, please go out, have fun and live life-feet first.