Episode 5; Live and in-person!!!

This week's episode finally finds the dynamic duo in the same room! Tiff and Carl join us from the National Tribal TANF Conference, where they both taught and connected with human services professionals from across the country. You'll hear them talk about their experiences during the conference, as well stories about their travels, training influences and some of the themes that they use to discuss topics like accountability, empathy, connecting with others and impact.