Episode 5: Past & Future: Going Back to the Bank

Now a free man, Herbert returns to the scene of his crime, reflecting on accountability and his unresolved desire to apologize. The episode confronts the uncertain possible futures of those impacted by the habitual offender statute. Finally, Herbert invites a special guest into the radio studio, highlighting the intergenerational impacts of the criminal-legal system right alongside a hope for the future.This episode features Victims Services Facilitator Cynthia Randall; Colorado State Senator Cleave Simpson; Daniel Loehr, CUNY School of Law; Adriana Vance, Habitually Screwed, Inc; Colorado State Representative Javier Mabrey; Colorado State Senator Julie Gonzales; Dan Meyer, Spero Justice Center; and Karter Alexander, Herbert’s son.HABITUAL is a production of Colorado Radio for Justice.Executive Producers: Herbert Alexander and Ryan ConarroHosts and Producers: Herbert Alexander, Ryan Conarro, and Seth ReadyLead Writer: Ryan ConarroEditors: Ringo Joon, Lucy Richardson, Herbert Alexander, & Ryan ConarroMusic composition: Xavier GauthierMastering Engineer: Tongjai LeeGraphic design: Mayela CardenasVocal Coach: Mare TrevathanProduction of HABITUAL was supported in part by Colorado Media Project, a funding collective fiscally sponsored by Rose Community Foundation. HABITUAL was also supported in part by a grant from the University of Denver Prison Arts Initiative. Special thanks to Spero Justice Center and to Chuck Murphy, Investigative Editor at Colorado Public Radio. HABITUAL is an original documentary podcast. This series includes limited excerpts of third-party media, such as news reporting and archival materials, used solely for purposes of journalism, commentary, and public interest analysis. These excerpts are selected carefully, used sparingly, and presented with additional reporting, context, and critique.Any such material is incorporated in a transformative manner and only to the extent necessary to support factual storytelling, including the examination of legal systems, media narratives, and the lived experience of those directly affected.HABITUAL relies on fair use as defined under 17 U.S.C. § 107 of U.S. copyright law. All rights to third-party materials, including news and media content, remain with their respective owners.This episode includes the following sources: KKTV 11 News, “Police Investigate Bank Robbery in Colorado Springs.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bABgGRTnkeA Stay engaged with HABITUAL and Colorado Radio for Justice:https://www.radioforjustice.org/habitual © 2026 Colorado Radio for Justice - HABITUALAll Rights Reserved