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EPISODE · Apr 16, 2026 · 47 MIN

Episode 62: David Artman (Part 2 of 2) - “Stump the Universalist: Hell Edition.”

from Jesus the Legend · host Ken Sullivan

Hey everyone, welcome back to Jesus the Legend! I am so happy to say that we have David Artman back with us!David is a husband, banjo player, minister, and one of the leading voices in the world of Christian universalism. After more than 30 years in pastoral ministry, he’s now focusing on podcasting and engaging in the bigger spiritual conversations happening today.He’s the author of Grace Saves All: The Necessity of Christian Universalism where he makes the case that God’s grace ultimately redeems all people—not as a stretch of Scripture, but as its most beautiful fulfillment. Through his podcast, Grace Saves All – Christianity and Universal Salvation, he explores the depth of God’s love with theologians, pastors, and seekers alike.I’ve had David on the show before, and he’s just a great guy who’s genuinely passionate about sharing the good news that God’s grace is bigger than we’ve often imagined, and that His mercy truly endures forever.This time, though, we’re mixing things up a bit. Today we’re going to play a game I like to call “Stump the Universalist.” I’ll be stepping into the role of someone who believes in eternal conscious torment (which, to be clear, I definitely don’t—not even a little), and I’ll throw some commonly used Scriptures his way. Then we’ll let David walk us through how he understands them.It should make for a really fun—and helpful - conversation.So settle in and let’s see if we can put the Christian Universalist on the spot…Intro/outro music licensed from Soundstripe (soundstripe.com)

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