EPISODE · May 26, 2026 · 22 MIN
Eric Chaves, Terrament — Gravity Storage and the End of the Grid Waitlist
from Cellmates by Lumicity · host Mike Norton and Jackson Lyons
Pumped hydro is 95% of the world's energy storage. We're running out of mountains. So what comes next?Mike Norton sits down with Eric Chaves, founder of Terrament - a company building large-scale, long-duration energy storage that replicates what pumped hydro does, but without needing rivers, reservoirs, or geography on your side.Eric's path to founding Terrament is genuinely unusual: architecture degree, industrial design, a decade in software, and then a moment of deliberate research where he asked himself what the single most important unsolved problem in energy actually was. The answer pulled him toward gravity storage - and a solution that's both ancient in principle and entirely new in execution.In this episode:Why pumped hydro still dominates global energy storage - and why we can't build much more of itWhy lithium-ion hits a hard cost wall beyond 8-10 hours of duration, and what the grid actually needs insteadHow Terrament uses deep underground shafts and a modular train of weights to replicate the physics of pumped hydro — buildable almost anywhere with suitable geologyThe AI data center energy crisis: grid connections are now backlogged 5+ years, gas turbines the same - and why Terrament can be built right on-siteWhy across-the-aisle political support exists for what Terrament is building - energy is universalThe grant process, building research partnerships, and what early-stage looks like when you're validating a technology that's genuinely never been done at scalePlus - Eric's honest take on the administration's impact on the energy transition, and why he's still optimistic.Eric Chaves | LinkedIn (36) Terrament: Overview | LinkedIn
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Pumped hydro is 95% of the world's energy storage. We're running out of mountains. So what comes next?Mike Norton sits down with Eric Chaves, founder of Terrament - a company building large-scale, long-duration energy storage that replicates what pumped hydro does, but without needing rivers, reservoirs, or geography on your side.Eric's path to founding Terrament is genuinely unusual: architecture degree, industrial design, a decade in software, and then a moment of deliberate research where he asked himself what the single most important unsolved problem in energy actually was. The answer pulled him toward gravity storage - and a solution that's both ancient in principle and entirely new in execution.In this episode:Why pumped hydro still dominates global energy storage - and why we can't build much more of itWhy lithium-ion hits a hard cost wall beyond 8-10 hours of duration, and what the grid actually needs insteadHow Terrament uses deep underground shafts and a modular train of weights to replicate the physics of pumped hydro — buildable almost anywhere with suitable geologyThe AI data center energy crisis: grid connections are now backlogged 5+ years, gas turbines the same - and why Terrament can be built right on-siteWhy across-the-aisle political support exists for what Terrament is building - energy is universalThe grant process, building research partnerships, and what early-stage looks like when you're validating a technology that's genuinely never been done at scalePlus - Eric's honest take on the administration's impact on the energy transition, and why he's still optimistic.Eric Chaves | LinkedIn (36) Terrament: Overview | LinkedIn
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