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I'm yeah, you're right. It's going to be a whole ass morbid. Because we have a lot to say so much to say about this long ass movie title. Well, today we are going to do what we promised you guys.
We would do we are going to talk about extremely wicked, shocking, evil and vile, which I have nicknamed. Ew ew ew. So we're going to talk about it. Ew.
And we're basically going to just go into what we liked about it. What we didn't like about it. Would we recommend it? Talk about what they got right.
What they got wrong. And then at the end of the episode, we're going to give you our final thoughts about it. We're not going to tell you right away. Together we share a thought.
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I almost just say, two brains, two brains created one thought. It's true. Y'all, it's been a long week. But you know what?
There's a lot to cover in this. So this, you know, Ted Bundy is my case. You like Ted Bundy? I do.
I didn't know that. I do. Just kidding. Don't like him as a human.
Sorry, but I like the case. And I know this case inside and out. So let me just preface this by saying I went into this movie, fully open minded. Like I went in there and I was like, I hope this is great.
I mean, was it not really? No, but it wasn't terrible. It would have been great if it was not based on a true story. Exactly.
That's when it would have been a great movie. A lot of moments in this movie, the way they did it would have been great in some slash or flicker horror movie. Or further where they belong. Yeah.
And honestly, there was parts where I was like, wow, that gave me chills, but like don't want it in this movie. I think that don't turn into me once. I got it one part and I'll say when when that comes up. And I know what you're talking about, but I didn't get it there.
I got it. We'll get there when we get there. So I think we all know that the movie is based on Ted Bundy's longtime girlfriend during the murders, Liz. She wrote the book The Phantom Prince, My Life with Ted Bundy under the pen name Liz Kendall.
The book is out of print. You can go on Amazon and buy it for $2,000. Shut the fuck up. Are you kidding me?
I don't think anybody's going to. It's $2,000. Yeah, it's out of print. What does that mean?
It went out of print in like 89. What does that mean? I mean, they're not printing it anymore. Good job.
I was like, I was like, I don't know. One has it laying around. Well, people do, I'm sure, but like you can't take people's copies, but you found it on Amazon for $2,000. I found it on Amazon for $2,000.
And I was like, um, am I that dedicated to the podcast? I'm sorry. I know. Well, the good news is somebody uploaded the PDF.
$2,000. Somebody uploaded the PDF. So I got the PDF. You're trying to get me passes.
It's not going to work because we're going to move passes. But I got the PDF. Um, I got the PDF and read it in like one morning because she's psychotic because it's fascinating in a very like odd way. And it's pretty short.
Is it? Yeah, it's actually or is it you? No, it's pretty short. It's like a quick read.
When you know the case, you know what's coming. So it's like you can kind of like speed read through it. You're just getting her point of view, which is probably skip over some stuff. Yeah, but it's really interesting to see her side of things.
I mean, it's a good look into someone who was as close to Ted Bundy as probably most anybody has been in his whole life. Like it's really odd to take, because he would have had it for like over five years, five, six years. It's a long ass time. I should together for like on and off.
Right. Very I know you didn't get that from the movie, but they had a very tumultuous relationship. You mean she wasn't blindsided? No, weird because it seems like she was.
It definitely did. Now, what's weird to me in the book that they didn't show in the movie and I And it's like they didn't show they showed it in the movie, but I didn't get it from the movie. I got it more from the book when I read it. What is it?
How weird it was to hear her saying things about like giving him a hug after he was convicted in January, 1975 of the aggravated kidnapping when he tried to kidnap and murder Carol DeRanche, which we'll get into that too. Yeah, she says in the book, quote, Ted's attorney asked that Ted be allowed some time with his family. We entered the judges chamber where Ted was frisked and his hands were cuffed behind his back. I put my arms around him and told him I was sorry.
He was drenched in sweat and stiff with tension. I kissed him on the cheek and whispered, I love you. I hated myself for what I had done to him. Well, why did they put that as a scene?
Yeah, because it's and you know why they didn't do it first as a scene because in the book at that point, she had already called the police on him and said, I think my boyfriend might be the guy in the movie. She didn't do that. I know that was like a weird part to like the whole thing was like leading up to her admitting that she was the one that did it. Yeah, that called in like his name, but I was like, why was that like the main point of like, yeah, instead of showing this slow buildup of her realizing, I mean, her whole memoir is this like spiral that she's going through of being like, this things are not adding up.
I'm finding weird things. Yeah. Calling the police, talking to detectives. I mean, she was talking to friends.
She talked to her best friend. I think they called her Joanna in the movie or Joanna. I can't remember. But she talked to her about it.
Like she told her fears and her and her friend was like, you need to call the police. Yeah. That's weird. Right.
So it's like they didn't go into any of that. Barely at all. And with a with a title like extremely wicked, shockingly evil and vile, which like we all know that comes from what the judge said to him at the end. Someone who didn't know where that quote comes from or a lot about Bundy's case would be like, yeah, where?
Right. Because it's so true. It just was not like he seems like the boy next door in the movie. But like the whole time I did, I saw very little, I didn't want to see, you know, I didn't need to see like a ton of like a group or shit or anything like that.
But I needed to see a little bit of something, just anything to show me what a monster this guy was because he wasn't a monster at all in the movie. Yeah. And it's like, I understand that this was from Liz's point of view. Like we all understand that I went in there knowing that I know we're not going to get exactly what I know in my head.
We're going to get a different point of view here because that's what Joe Behringer really wanted to do with this. But so it was intended to show like how easy it was to believe that he wasn't a monster and how he tricked women, even during the trial to like root for him and to dress up like his victims in the group, which they didn't go into that enough to. Yeah, I know they didn't go into that at all. Really skimmed over that.
But it backfires and it backfires hard because it doesn't come off like we are Liz trusting him the whole time, which she didn't like we said and we were into that. Instead, it comes off as a way to like humanizing and romanticized portrayal of a brutal demon who committed some of the worst atrocities we've seen in a serial killer. And oh, he was a necrophile. Yeah, that wasn't even touched upon at all.
Never touched upon. It was not it was not a part of the movie. Not a part. And I understand you don't.
I mean, again, you don't need to show me he's an necrophile. I don't need to see it. Good mentions. But you should have.
Yeah, because Zac Efron was absolutely phenomenal. He was really good with what they gave him. He was phenomenal. And I think if he was given darker shit to work with, he would have knocked that thing so far out of the park because he had it.
He was doing it already. So if they gave him a dark mannerism and stuff like that, and he looks so much like him. He really does. And there was like there was a point where when he grows the beard, and he's practicing jumping off his butt, he practiced when he was jumping off of one of the top bunks in his cell.
You're like hold up for a flash. I was like, whoa, literally looked at him. He's talking to the reporters in the hallway and he's like doing that laugh with the beard. I was like, Oh, when he recreated the scene when he's a knock around turtle neck.
Oh my God. It was like, holy shit. It was insane, insane. We also never see that Ted had utter contempt and hatred for women.
Weird. One of the biggest facets of Ted Bundy's personality and psyche is that he had contempt for women, and especially women who he deemed to be higher than he was. Right. And it's like, and it came from him being illegitimate, from his mom lying to him, like all this crazy, like, you know, mommy, psych issues and all that good stuff.
Bitch to his mom and that scene of the cells. He was. I was like, boy, I was like, dude, she's a little upset. But we never, they never touched upon that.
And that's like one of the biggest facets of his personality. Right. Instead of showing that he had this awful contempt for women that he tried to hide all the time, they showed him as this like romanticized fucking like Nicholas Sparks character. Literally.
And it's like, no, no, Nicholas Sparks direct this movie. Seriously. It's never even suggested. And honestly, it's hard to believe that it's even a part of his psyche while you're watching it.
And it's like in the movie, you can't even picture him losing it on Liz, you know, because he doesn't because he never does. And it's like, he's sure he gets like wound up and he gets stressed and like, Zach, I've run it really toward Liz. Yeah, it's never really directed at Liz. When in Liz's book, she says, quote, I can count on two fingers.
The times Ted threatened me or was the least bit violence toward me. Violent towards me. I was like, yeah, I feel I've lived through a violent time. It's like you have it.
You have another time she and her daughter stopped by his room and saw that he had all this expensive shit that he had clearly stolen because he was a gluptomaniac. That's another thing they never touched on at all. He stole shit all the time and she always confronted him about it. Well, the whole book, she's confronting him about it.
So when she saw the, had this whole room full of like a new TV, a new stereo, all the stuff, she said that she saw this and was like, he definitely stole all this. He can't afford it. Right. And she blurted out, quote, you're nothing but a thief.
And he responded by grabbing her arm and saying, quote, if you ever tell anyone about this, I'll break your fucking neck. That's a red flag, Elizabeth. Like, did you see that in the film? No.
Would you have thought that Zac Efron's character was capable of that in the film? I'm just going to go ahead and say it. Zac Efron's character wasn't capable of that. No, I was rooting for Zac Efron in the film.
That's the thing. And again, like we say, we're not asking to see gruesome awful violent murders and assaults to get going across. That's not what we need. But even just in the relationship, like it could have been depicted that he was sometimes violent toward her.
In abusive, I mean, he was dismissive. He was unfaithful multiple times that she caught him. He was very disrespectful to her. He talked down to her.
He was constantly telling her like she was a child and she needed to grow up. I hate that. I mean, he was lap him silly. He was told they had time like she describes times where everything was wonderful.
And it doesn't have been if she stuck around for that long. And it seems like they did have great times where and it seems like he was. There's always good times. In general, it seems like he was good to her daughter.
Yeah. So it's like that they played out very truthfully and they got to cap all that stuff in. Totally. It just needed some additions.
Yeah, like show him as this great boyfriend and who is. But then show that he has two sides to him because he does. Exactly. That's who he was as a person.
They needed to show some of the darker moments. Right. They needed to. And it would have been so much more impactful if you got like glimpses of those darker moments.
Well, because the whole movie, it's like you don't see any of that. So you're like, wait a second. Like, like your it makes you root them. It does.
Like I just I had a better way of explaining my head. You forget what the end game is here. And it's not Ted. Like that?
I'm sorry. That's not Ted. No. That was who he wanted people to see him.
Right. It wasn't and they should have shown that. In order to grasp like his actual personality, I just don't understand why they didn't show both sides of him. Yeah, that's what bothers me.
It's like everyone was terrified that this film would like glamorize Bundy. Remember that whole thing? And it didn't. And I was a staunch arguer against this kind of thing because I believe stories like this need to be told.
They do. I am correct. I am totally into that. But unfortunately, it's like the people behind this film were out to make me look like an asshole.
Because it's 100% glorified Bundy. It turns him into a Nicholas Sparks character. Or it had to ask what do you think that the title of the movie would have been if Nicholas sparked directed it? Oh, damn.
Because I have one, but I want to hear yours first. Oh, shit. OK. I think Ted in the fireplace.
Mine is just the summer my boyfriend became a murderer because I feel like that's about the effort that Nicholas Sparks wanted to 100%. To the point that time my boyfriend was Ted Bundy. No, that's it. That's my final answer.
Yeah. That time Ted Bundy was my boyfriend. That's the movie. That's the movie.
Thank you and good night. That is it. Thank we nailed it. And honestly, I mean, unfortunately, this wasn't a mixed Nicholas Sparks movie.
It is a real fucking case. Guys, it's like if this wasn't guys, if this wasn't real, this would all be hilarious. So we could be like Nicholas Sparks. They turned this guy into like summer.
But it's not funny, though. Not funny, but it's not funny. And there are times where I who know this case backwards and forwards thought to myself, now I know Ted Bundy did it. But I am 100% convinced that Zach Afrohn is being railroaded for these crimes right now.
I was I was rooting for Zach Afrohn. I dead ass was I literally halfway through. I was like, guys, Zach Afrohn didn't do it. I was like, we need to get him a good lawyer.
That's right. Zach fired the lawyer. Like the police are framing Zach Afrohn. They were.
But in the other part of my brain, I was like, but I know dead but I know dead. I know that I know that I did it. That I know he did the shit. I know that I did it.
But I know it did do it. And it was like, but it's true because now I'm seeing a lot of like people online who don't know this case well are now being like, guys, I don't know if Ted Bundy did it. Wait for real though. No, for real.
Well, they need to Google some facts and not just go off with this movie. But that's the thing they're portraying this like this is this true case. And it's like, that's not giving the real shit. In fact, like one of the things like, yes, I mean, this is obviously my opinion.
He was handsome. I disagree to some a lot of people do. That's fine. I think he was like, yeah, he was charismatic.
I agree. I feel like you can't disagree with that. If you disagree with that. And he could definitely hold his shit together in front of the camera for the most part.
But there were times where he cracked on film in real life, like when they were filming him in the courtroom, that should have been utilized here. If they were going for subtlety, which they obviously were. And they literally think the only one that was depicted in the movie was when he was shaking his finger at the judge and the judge was like, don't shake your finger at the young man. It didn't it wasn't as intense as it was in real life.
Yeah, it wasn't as a past film. And there's another moment that is like one of the moments that I remember the most out of this whole case. And it's when the guards, it's during that same trial, when he's, you know, the guards are leading him out of the courtroom. He's carrying a box of files.
I trust the picture. He's a lawyer and, you know, he's like, you know, sassy self walking out there being like, well, get him tomorrow guys. You know, like just being a dick. And when one of the guards grabs his arm, just to walk him out, like kind of just like really grabs his arm.
Yeah, exactly what you're going to say. He violently and aggressively tried to rip it back and he gives that guard a look like I'm going to a savagely murder. It still gives me shivers that look. Because it went from this like, Hey, I'm a lawyer.
We'll get him tomorrow to like, don't touch me. Like two faces of Ted Bundy. And it is the moment for me in real life that I looked at and I still look at and I said, there it is. That's the Bundy that these poor women saw.
Right. Exactly. And that's when you see that one clip, it is lit and I'll try to find it if I can and post it on the Instagram because that's what they needed to show. It's like that's the face and that's the monster that these poor women saw before they were killed because I can't think of one time in the movie where he snaps.
No, no, no. Or where he just shows like a glimmer because that was that moment. It went from the Ted he was putting on for the time to this quick little moment where he just lost control of it and then he snapped it back again. It's like, that's all you needed to be like, it could have been such an effective tool for this film and they ignored it and that bummed me out.
And then literally there's like no time is spent on the victims in this film. Yeah, that was frustrating. And it's actually something that while you were watching it, you were kind of like forgetting about. Can we talk about how pissed I was at the way that they depicted Carol Deranche?
Yes, please. Because I was really angry. They made her look like this nivelling like, I mean, obviously she was scared and really thought she went through, but it made her look like an idiot in the movie. They did.
They just didn't like, they didn't even mention what a badass she was for surviving what she did and getting out of there. Right. Like not at all. Like they tell you what happened, but nobody's sitting there like they should have spent a minute to be like, this fucking wonder woman over here fought her way out of his clutches.
You know what I mean? Well, I don't even think it said anything about the fact that she did. Yeah, I think it was like she was kidnapped and like got away. Yeah, they gave like a very generalized overview.
It was very glazed over. Now here's both of our biggest issue with the film. It's that Liz is pretty convinced that he's innocent the entire time during this movie. Fun fact, in real life, she was not.
Not at all. In the movie, she's barely questioning anything that happens around Ted, but in real life and in her memoir, Liz found a shit ton of weird stuff that pointed to him being the killer. She literally found crutches and plaster Liz literally she spoke to police several times about these things that she found. She even handed over a book of his canceled checks as evidence to them.
Oh my God. Like, why did they not like I have like a scene in my mind that I created that would have been so good. I'm not a director, but like imagine if she's just like cleaning up the house and then she opens something, opens the closet to like put something away and like on the top shelf, she sees that and she's like, what the fuck. And then she just flips through it and it plays like some weird aspect music.
The way it happened is even scarier. She had her landlord let her into his house once where she went rummaging through his stuff because she was convinced she would find something and she did and she found these canceled checks and she got so scared that he was going to come in that she said she just grabbed one of the books of canceled checks and left. Oh my God. But she said she also found a film canister that was heavily duct taped and she said she almost took it but she was scared he would figure out that she was in there.
And she was like I still don't know what was in that film canister. Oh my God. Why did they put that in the film canister ever? I don't think so.
Fook. But either way that scene of her in there like scared that he's going to come in right rummaging through all of his stuff finding those like grabbing them that would have been great scene that would have been amazing. But we didn't see it. Well because she was so convinced that he was a little son in the memoir.
You're kind of like like I was way more couldn't put it down the memoir than I was the movie. The movie I got bored. Oh the movie toward the end I literally was like what is this over? But the memoir I was like oh shit what's gonna happen next.
Like I was literally like oh my God I know this case but I don't know what she found right. So it was like hearing her point of view and her being like and then I thought this and I was putting together this. Like that's riveting. It was like a fucking like old timey detective novel.
I was like what's happening next. And she I mean she had a super tough time with this for months and months and months and months and months. And she was she would cooperate with the police like call them say something and she would kind of pull back all because he would charm her back in. Then he would go off and do something so she would.
She was thinking about it again and they could have done that. It would have been so effective to see how he wasn't this perfect boyfriend that was there all the time. Right. One of the victims were called to being hit with a crutch and that he was using crutches.
Yep. And she said she found crutches in a room in his house and he had not broken his leg. And she was like oh you got crutches. She reached under the seat of his car once when he was getting into it and there was a hatchet under his car seat.
Can you imagine you get into your boyfriend's car and there's a damn hatchet. Nope. I'd be like I am super busy for the rest of ever. Yeah and when she asked him she literally goes what's this for Ted.
Like literally which I was like badass. I wouldn't like I don't tell me with this Ted. He said something like I use it to help my I help my landlord or my parents or something like that. Chop wood or something like that.
Interesting that you've never mentioned that before. He came up with a very like normal excuse that you could. Exquisite. And that was the problem.
It's like throughout the whole book Liz is sitting there going all his excuses could make sense sometimes. Right. So she was being like am I crazy am I being this crazy person. Right.
Or is he telling the truth and that would have been so good to have in the movie. She also found the plaster of Paris in a drawer. Crazy. And when she asked him about it she was like hey why do you have plaster like medical grade plaster of Paris.
Yeah. He was like oh I stole it. He goes I don't know why but I stole it from when he was working in like a medical supply place. And then she was like weird and he was like well you just never know when you're going to break your leg right and they like she said they both like laughed about it and really like really funny that you're called don't mean to act but later she brought that up to a police officer and was like you said that somebody had a cast like that would make a cast girl.
And at one point she saw him like caught him stealing a crowbar from her house and he used a crowbar and a couple of levels left out. Now Joe Beringer the director said that this was because he didn't do use any of that because he wanted to shock the audience in the end when Liz finally finds out what he did. He said no one is shocked that we all know what happened. He said he wanted to make the audience like real back and discuss like Liz because they had been lulled into the sense that he was this decent guy at least in his relationship with Liz.
He said if he had shown Liz finding some weird or fucked up shit in the beginning half of the film that we wouldn't be as disgusted in the end he was still worried still would have. He said quote I want each audience member to have that conflicted feeling like oh my god I'm rooting for this guy and then to have the experience by the films end of being conflicted and disgusted by the idea that they actually liked the guy. It's the experience of everyone who is gaslit by Ted Bundy. I do kind I mean I guess I guess that he did do that.
He did do that with the movie. But the thing is we know he's disgusting already so like we know that we didn't need to be lulled with untruth. Like that would have been great if it was a different movie not about Ted Bundy. Yeah and he didn't lull us all with facts.
Right. That's my problem. He took a little too much artistic use. He took some liberties here and you skipped over a lot of things.
Right. It's like for convenience. So you well you falsely lulled us. You lulled us.
You took away all the dark moments that were there that still lulled to people. Right. You called it I'm going to use the word lulled a lot and I keep tripping over it. Lulled.
You called you could have lulled us with that. You called a little. The lulled lulled so far. Because he tricked people with that.
Right. So it's like you could have just gone with the fact. I see what he wanted to do. I just don't agree with the fact that he did it.
No. It's like we would have been disgusted regardless. And the movie is called Shockingly Evil, Vile, Wicked, Gross, Evil. It's like why didn't you just make it Shockingly with gross, Evil, Vile the whole time.
Exactly. And while I hated the idea of negating all the clues that was found, one thing I did like was I liked that dog barking at him. I loved that. I loved it.
I loved it. I loved it. I loved it. I loved that guy without having Liz find a severed head or something.
Right. And I loved that. But I think they could have also played true to the real events with that too. And that still would have been as effective.
Yes. Which because I would have been like keep that in there for sure. Because you want to be like oh even animals know he's a fucking monster. But you also need like a few little even if he didn't use all of the things like I'm not saying he had to use every single thing that she found that would be overkill.
Yeah. But just like two or three. Yeah. Give me a little montage of her finding things and that's fine.
They made it seem like it was this perfect relationship. Like ideal. Yeah. And that is shit.
When she was crying in the shower I was like I'm crying. I'm like damn. Like I'm crying for you. Yeah.
They just I wanted them to explore the doubts that Liz was living with. Right. Because this again was supposed to be about her. They keep claiming this was about her.
But it wasn't. No. And it's like if it was about her then they would have spent time on the hell that she was going through in her own inner sanctum there. You know what I mean?
Right. Right. And it wasn't even touched. It just you know so she just looks totally blind to the entire thing when she wasn't smart.
I mean she was being naive in a way when it comes to him because she was blinded by love him which is true. That happens to a lot of people. I mean we can all do that. But she wasn't dumb.
She was putting these things together and I feel like it just made her seem a little dumb. Too naive. It was a little dumb. Another thing that I there was again because I.
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Yeah. No, there was some cool things overall though. Yeah. Like when Ted calls lizard or office at one point you can see that photo of Liz and Ted that's kind of infamous at this point.
And when they zoom in on it they recreated it was that picture of the two of them sitting by the fire that everybody has seen of the other Ted and they recreated it with Zekka from Lily Collins. It was great. And it was like sitting on her desk and when I saw it I was like oh I know that photo. Like that's the photo everybody knows so I liked that.
And it was like sitting on her desk and when I saw it I was like oh I know that photo. Like that's the photo everybody knows so I liked that. And like I said when he grew the beard he looked so much like Bundy that like I was on canny. It like shocked me.
I didn't know what to say. The part when Bundy jumped when he escaped by jumping out of the window of the lot. Right. Because that was true.
That was all true. Yeah. And they did that perfectly. They did both escapes.
I mean they even dressed him perfectly. Yeah. It's like the what's it called cardigan. Yeah.
And you borrow that from the actual Ted Bundy. Is this film footage from it? And I was dying because they made the deputy who like allowed that to happen. Look like such a dingus.
And he had to. Because honestly that dude was a fucking dingus. Like he deserved that kind of betrayal. Because it's still to this day I'm like how did you let that happen?
Yeah. I don't know. Well also why was there only like one person watching him? Well it's like because you would think that this person could watch him.
Yeah. And it's like what it's a very interesting how much Ted Bundy was able to get away with. He was very lucky. Because he charmed his and it wasn't no it wasn't luck.
He was charming. He charmed and he he was he was maniacal and he was good at being bad. Unfortunately. So that first escape out of the law library I thought was perfectly done.
I liked it. The second escape when he escapes out of prison. That bothered me. Because when he goes through that tunnel in the ceiling.
All of it was perfect. I thought it was great. Except that they didn't address the huge weight loss that was the hugest part of that. I thought that when I was watching it and I got really aggravated.
He lost like 35 pounds. Yeah something like that. Something like crazy. Because he had to fit through that hole that he made.
And the way he did it was he went on a hunger strike. So and it's like why didn't you have him go like why don't you show him go on the hunger strike. That was a well that was like a big part of his escape. Yeah.
Like it wasn't just something that like you could get. I feel like it just wasn't something you could get away with not putting in the film. Exactly. Like his two escapes are really a big part of his.
Yeah. Not legacy but his like infinites. Yeah. Yeah.
And then yeah like the losing like 35 pounds or whatever it was. He was a lot of weight. He went in a short amount of time. Yeah.
And when they caught him again he looked so gaunt and like sickly. But then they show Zac Efron all buff and like right. I was like okay. And that's nitpicking.
And I mean I do get it because obviously Zac Efron couldn't like do that. No. Yeah they do. But I think they only filmed this in like I think it was like 20 days or something.
Really? Yeah they filmed it in a short period of time. Wow. So I guess he couldn't just drop all that weight.
Right. And so in the part where they get his dental impressions. Did that aggravate you? Slightly.
Okay. But again I'm fully admit I might be nitpicking little things that other people aren't going to be. Well it's because you're a noise fan of the case. But it's like this just annoyed me because I was like I don't know this because some of these things that I'm nitpicking I'm like they just could have been like tweaked and it would have been fine.
It's not a big deal. But it's because when they first requested them he said no. So they requested them from him and he was like nah. So then they got a search warrant and they came by surprise to get them because they were worried that he was going to grind his teeth down before they could get.
Which he totally would have done. Yeah. So that scene was pretty accurate except the way that Zac reacted to it. Because Zac played it like what is what are you doing?
Yeah. What are they doing? What is happening right now? Like he had like no idea that this was even on the table.
Right. And it's like but Ted totally knew because he refused it already and he knew that they got a search warrant. He just didn't know when they were going to come. So I think I was like I'm sure he was super pissed when they ambushed him for it.
But like he wasn't shocked. Yeah. It was the wrong reaction. It was just the wrong reaction.
And again that's a new pick. I don't know what I'm picking. Like hello my name is Elaine I'm nitpicking. No I could see what that would actually use.
It's just so it's a small thing. But it could have. And I feel like it's so it's really slight but it also kind of made it seem like he was even more innocent to somebody who doesn't know this thing. Yeah.
Because it made him seem like what why would you need my bi-pressions? What? But in reality he knew he bit one of the women. So he wasn't shocked that they needed his bi-impression.
And he was like oh shit I can't give them this. But in the movie it looks like he didn't know that that was evidence because he didn't do it. So why would he need that? That's a good point.
That's a really good point. That's a really good point. And of course the film spent a ton of time on him representing himself in court which they did a really good job with. I have to say they did a really great this is just me being an idiot.
But they did a really great job with all his outfits. No they did. Like even throughout the whole movie they did a great job with the outfits. No the wardrobe was spots.
Like that costume designer deserves a word. They really did like that ooh spot on. Perfect. Like his stupid bow ties and shit.
And even like the brown fucking sweater. Yeah. Like the sweater. The cardigan.
Everything. That blew my mind. And they did a really good job with having him be the way he went. Zach out front did an amazing job.
And especially with all the girls in the court room. And playing to them and playing to the audience. And the weird thing that the him and the judge had which was so real. In real life they had had that which is really concerning.
He was like you're a really great man. And I was like if you watched that and didn't know the case you didn't say that. I kind of questioned it. And I had to look at an actual video from it.
And I was like he actually said all that. He told me he would have been a great lawyer. Yeah. And he said he would have loved to.
But then he was like you're a waste of humanity. And then he's like you're gross ew. And shockingly wicked ew. And again they did an amazing time with that.
But they didn't portray like they kind of put him as the picture perfect together. Guy who could charm the entire time. But for a lot of it. Like sure he was great and together and he really did act like a lawyer.
But there was also insane moments of him acting totally bananas in court. They didn't none of that was shown. Like he turned it into a circus at times. Right.
Well and they didn't really show that. No. And then they were bonkers. The whole time they were in the movie I was kind of bored to be honest.
Yeah. Because it was just him like vamping to everybody. Which he did. Again that was acting.
But there was also like a hard work you like. But just show him being a little banana sometimes where you're like okay that's not charming. You're just weird now. Because there were times where you were like huh.
Real it back in. Yeah. Like him looking that picture of him looking at the bite impressions is one of the best pictures ever. Because he's like examining it.
So. Now at the end of the movie. Which I know actually has really intense feelings. I have super intense feelings about the ending.
By the time it was over like if I hadn't have been pissed like the whole entire movie. By the time I got to the end I was like nope I'm done. I'm finished here. I am done.
And of course we're talking about the whole what happened to her head. First of all she didn't visit him when he was on death row. And certainly not 10 years later. Like I was like that didn't happen.
Like don't make it seem that happened like that. When he was about to die like a week or so before. That didn't she was like they're gonna fry you Ted. Yeah and it's like no she knew at that point what he was done.
He was she was happily married. I personally when she when she asked what happened to her head and he like takes the beat. And she says like free me you need to release me. Yeah.
I was like I love the class and like slowly wrote hacks on. I was like that's awesome. I loved the cinematic take that they took on that for sure. I hated it.
It was impactful when he wrote it on the glass it really was because you were like whoa. Like you're just like holy shit I didn't even feel like that. Well this didn't happen. Well that's the but in reality that's the reality is that didn't happen.
Like I was pissed that they made that a thing. And again I liked it. I'm okay with some artistic liberties being taken. I think I would have been if the whole thing wasn't it was that's the thing if so many hadn't been taken and things skipped over I think I would have enjoyed that more.
I saw that and I was like oh man this would have been a great scene in some thriller horror movie slasher flick. When you say that I agree but I definitely did not really like that. For me it was literally the cherry on top of my face. I'm angry.
Yeah see when I looked at it I was like this is a great scene. I will hand this to the director I loved it it gave me chills but it would have been so much better in a film that wasn't based in reality. Right. Like if you put in some like fictional thriller I would have been like holy shit that was a great like that was a great scene.
Yeah. Because it was so quiet and it was very like silence of the land. Yeah it was. And again that would have been perfectly right.
It would have been good in a movie like that. But it's like and Ted was said this is the thing it's like they used it that way instead of the way it actually happened where he didn't tell lives about the head. He told investigators about the head. He told one of the investigators that he disposed of one of the victims head heads in Liz's fireplace.
Jesus Christ. He claimed he burned it. So he said quote of all the things I did to Liz this is probably the one she is least likely to forgive me for. Poor Liz.
That's what he told the detective. That would have been a fucking awesome ending right. That's how the end of it. If he just sat there and was like poor Liz.
If they entered the movie and like I'm even a I'm pissed right now. That would have been so much better. Because then it also would have ended on Liz. About Liz.
Right. It would have been like poor Liz. Like like wrap up the movie poor Liz. And then it just leaves because that would have not only left you on Liz but it also would have left you with Ted when he was a fucking monster.
Like that would have been like the shebang like right there. Yep. And yeah that's it. And so basically my like biggest thing with this is it just didn't focus enough on his psyche.
Right. Not at all. It stayed more than it was like a like a two faced like two multiple personality guy. Exactly.
And so I was focused on making him look innocent and railroaded. Which I know the director is saying that was kind of his intent to kind of shock you at the end. He did a great job of this intent. I just didn't want to do it.