First Up - The Podcast, Thursday 18 May

On today's First Up pod - the Duke and Duchess of Sussex say they've been involved in an incident in New York; we have an Auckland debt collector who's campaigning for a caring approach to this hardball profession; the Deputy Prime Minister Carmel Sepuloni joins us and questions around the Loafers Lodge tragedy will be high on the list and outside the burnt out Lodge in Newtown - the full impact is sinking in for survivors. First Up - Voice of the Nathan!