First Up - The Podcast, Thursday 22 June

On today's First Up pod - a chaotic year for Labour, we ask Deputy Prime Minister Carmel Sepuloni how she feels about it; an aircraft detects underwater noises in the search area for the missing Titanic submersible, we talk to an explorer who's visited the site of the wreck twice; what's in the skies at the winter solstice and rower Robbie Manson is back in black and will represent New Zealand again almost three years after retiring. First Up - Voice of the Nathan!