《复杂社会的崩溃》:文明不是病死的,是算账算死的(Joseph Tainter) episode artwork

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《复杂社会的崩溃》:文明不是病死的,是算账算死的(Joseph Tainter)

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你们小区物业费,这几年是涨了还是降了?服务变好了吗?——对这条曲线有切身体会的话,恭喜,你已经看懂了一本考古学的镇山之作。 本期拆解 Joseph Tainter《The Collapse of Complex Societies》(《复杂社会的崩溃》,1988,剑桥)。崩溃学奠基之作:复杂度是文明给问题交的"物业费",物业费边际收益递减,退租(崩溃)反而成了理性选择。从汉谟拉比到罗马银币,从玛雅建碑冲刺到查科退网——还有一条反着搭的桥:他 1988 年写的书,中国人 2020 年才给它起好中文名,俩字,内卷。 ◾ 时间戳 00:01 开场 · 文明物业费 02:23 死亡名单 · 十八个案例 04:22 旧解释验尸 · 全部打回 07:07 四个概念 · 物业版 08:59 曲线弯头上的三个选项 10:00 医疗/科研/教育 · 你天天在过的曲线 12:45 罗马 · 一枚银币的失血记录 16:24 三个真实展品 19:18 玛雅建碑冲刺 · 查科退网 21:50 三观时刻 · 崩溃是理性止损 23:44 最冷的一盆水 · 谁也退不了租 26:44 收口 · 三句话与桥接表 ◾ 主题 · 文明死亡名单:十八个案例,无一例外——崩溃是复杂社会的常见结局 · 旧解释全打回:资源枯竭/天灾/蛮族/道德堕落,都没回答"为什么这次扛不住" · 四个概念:复杂度是解题工具,解题投资终会边际收益递减 · 现代证据:美国医疗 GNP 3.3%→59.7 岁 vs 10.5%→74.5 岁,生产率降逾 57% · 罗马:银币含银 90%+ 一路掺到不足 5%——"帝国实质上已宣布破产" · 玛雅崩溃前夜的建碑冲刺:65% 出自小中心,刻碑的手已经在挨饿 · 崩溃 = 回到人类常态:对高卢农民来说,是负担的消失 · 今天没有真空:peer polity 锁死,单个国家崩不了——要崩全球一起 · 内卷 = 这本书核心概念的全民直觉命名 ◾ 其他平台 Spotify · Apple Podcasts · 小宇宙 · 网易云 脑子借我一下 / Borrow My Brain @Borrow_My_Brain

你们小区物业费,这几年是涨了还是降了?服务变好了吗?——对这条曲线有切身体会的话,恭喜,你已经看懂了一本考古学的镇山之作。 本期拆解 Joseph Tainter《The Collapse of Complex Societies》(《复杂社会的崩溃》,1988,剑桥)。崩溃学奠基之作:复杂度是文明给问题交的"物业费",物业费边际收益递减,退租(崩溃)反而成了理性选择。从汉谟拉比到罗马银币,从玛雅建碑冲刺到查科退网——还有一条反着搭的桥:他 1988 年写的书,中国人 2020 年才给它起好中文名,俩字

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你们小区物业费,这几年是涨了还是降了?服务变好了吗?——对这条曲线有切身体会的话,恭喜,你已经看懂了一本考古学的镇山之作。 本期拆解 Joseph Tainter《The Collapse of Complex Societies》(《复杂社会的崩溃》,1988,剑桥)。崩溃学奠基之作:复杂度是文明给问题交的"物业费",物业费边际收益递减,退租(崩溃)反而成了理性选择。从汉谟拉比到罗马银币,从玛雅建碑冲刺到查科退网——还有一条反着搭的桥:他 1988 年写的书,中国人 2020...

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