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EPISODE · Aug 2, 2025

FWaMM! Ep. 2: Spreadsheets, Gardening, & Work Before The Fall

from The Oikonomiks podcast · host Wayne Park

1. Did work exist before the Fall?2. What changed in the nature of work after the Fall?3. How should we understand the language of “subdue”, “rule”, “fill the earth” in the opening chapters of Genesis?Dr. Ryan Gutierrez has a PhD in New Testament from Fuller Theological Seminary, where his dissertation explored the relationship between people and land in the Gospel of Luke and the book of Acts. He is also the Senior Director at Fuller’s Max De Pree Center for Leadership, where he oversees the development and implementation of organizational systems, processes, and workflows. He previously worked as the Director of Operations for the Office of Vocation Formation at Fuller.Dr. Mark D. Roberts is a Senior Fellow for Fuller’s De Pree Center for Leadership, where he focuses on the spiritual development and thriving of leaders. He is the principal writer of the daily devotional Life for Leaders and the founder of the De Pree Center’s Flourishing in the Third Third of Life Initiative. Previously, Mark was the executive director of the De Pree Center, and prior to that, the senior director of Laity Lodge in Texas. With a PhD in New Testament from Harvard, Mark has written extensively on faith and work integration.Cover image: Vincent van Gogh, Sower at SunsetMusic credits: Aleksey Chistilin

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Is work the result of sin, or could it be possible that work existed in a good form even before the Fall? What does 'good work' look like and how might we envision it today?

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