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EPISODE · Oct 26, 2025 · 37 MIN

Spot Burnout Before It's Too Late (with Michael Levitt)

from Phoenix and Flame Podcast · host Dana Skaggs

The cardiologist walked in, looked at the chart, and skipped hello. He looked Michael Levitt dead in the eye and said, "You know, you should be dead right now." Michael's first wife and mother, sitting beside him, started crying. Michael looked back and said, "I see you skipped a bedside manner class in medical school." That's the kind of guy you're dealing with: the kind who can crack a joke about his own near-fatal heart attack. But the blockage in his "widow maker" artery wasn't a joke. It was burnout, built over two years of six a.m. to eleven p.m. shifts, seven days a week, and it nearly killed him. Michael is the founder of the Breakfast Leadership Network and calls himself the Chief Burnout Officer (a title, he says, that came to him in the shower). In the twelve months after that heart attack, he also lost his job during the Great Recession, had the family car repossessed, and came home one weekend to find his house padlocked in foreclosure. All of it, he says now, traces back to the same root: he was burned out, and he ignored every warning sign his own family kept pointing out to him. We get into the sleep, diet, and calendar checks Michael now runs with coaching clients to catch burnout before it becomes a hospital visit, why "no" is a complete sentence, and the almost embarrassingly simple color-coding trick that shows you, at a glance, whether you're actually taking any time for yourself. Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNQv1ftYwtk In this episode The three questions Michael asks every coaching client to check for burnout: sleep, diet, and calendar Why the biggest red flag of Michael's own burnout wasn't work related at all (he stopped going to baseball games) How one year of untreated burnout led to a heart attack, job loss, a repossessed car, and a foreclosed home The calendar color-coding trick that shows you, at a glance, whether you're scheduling any time for yourself Why financial stress is one of the most dangerous, and most overlooked, burnout accelerants How Michael uses curiosity instead of blame to help clients figure out what they're really chasing Timestamps (00:01) Welcome and intro: meet Michael Levitt, the "Chief Burnout Officer" (01:28) How burnout first took hold, working 6 a.m. to 11 p.m. as a healthcare startup executive (02:50) Getting numb: how burnout convinces you to just keep working through it (05:54) The cardiologist's blunt warning: "You should be dead right now" (10:12) The year burnout cost Michael his health, his job, his car, and his house (13:02) The mental health toll of burnout: anxiety, depression, and feeling stuck in a "black place" (17:11) The red flag everyone else saw before Michael did: he stopped going to baseball games (19:33) Boundaries, delegating, and why "no" is a complete sentence (21:55) The three questions Michael asks clients to check for burnout: sleep, diet, calendar (26:15) The calendar color-coding trick for spotting how much "me time" you're actually getting (33:03) Michael's free book, Burnout Proof, and his parting advice About Michael Levitt Michael Levitt is the founder of the Breakfast Leadership Network, a media firm dedicated to addressing burnout and improving workplace culture, and calls himself the Chief Burnout Officer. After his own burnout led to a heart attack, job loss, and home foreclosure within a single year, he built a coaching practice around catching those same warning signs early, in himself and in his clients. Learn more at Breakfast Leadership, watch his video podcast on YouTube, or connect with him on LinkedIn. Favorite quotes "I see you skipped a bedside manner class in medical school." —Michael Levitt, to the cardiologist who told him he should be dead "My burnout led to all of those things happening." —Michael Levitt "No is a complete sentence." —Michael Levitt Resources mentioned Burnout Proof by Michael Levitt: his book, available as a free download from his website BreakfastLeadership.com: Michael's media company, focused on burnout and workplace culture Michael's video podcast on YouTube Michael Levitt on LinkedIn Related episodes Finding Freedom After Success-Fueled Anxiety: recorded the week before this one, with Matt Gerlach on what burnout feels like from the inside before it reaches a hospital visit. Overcoming Burnout, Hustle Culture, and Redefining Success: more on untangling your identity from the hustle that burned you out. How to Reclaim Your Energy When You're Burned Out: a newer conversation on rebuilding after burnout has already taken hold. 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