EPISODE · Apr 2, 2026 · 24 MIN
How to Stop Getting Defensive With the People You Love Most - Kathy Kinghorn
from KneeToKnee · host Mark Marrott
Kathy Kinghorn (Therapy Utah) breaks down what betrayal trauma really is, how Internal Family Systems helps men understand their own emotional reactions, and why the most powerful thing a man can do with his partner might be choosing to fail together. CHAPTERS:00:00 - Introducing Kathy Kinghorn & Therapy Utah00:43 - Building Therapy Utah: The Whiteboard Method02:19 - What Betrayal Trauma Really Is (And Isn't)05:08 - Defensiveness: Who's the Enemy in the Room?16:10 - Internal Family Systems — A Tool Every Man Needs21:40 - Kathy's One Thing: The Fail-Together Challenge
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