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Hey weirdos, I'm Ash and I'm Alina. And this is morbid. The length guys. It's the length, MOBED for you coming at your door in your car or your house.
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You're car. You're killing it. You're killing it. Everybody owns a punch me square in the face right now.
But you know what? They can't. I mean, they can't. I'll be the best.
What if somebody next week just comes up to me and the street impunches me in the face? You will know that they listen to the podcast. And I'll just say thank you for listening. Thanks listener.
I'd like cracking myself. Yeah, I just have it a moment right now. It's more than a moment. Well, we hope you guys liked your Patreon bonus episode this week.
It was a good one. That was a good one. It's a really crazy one. Didn't hear it because you don't donate.
I mean, one that you wouldn't want to do it. You could go do it. I'm just dropping a super subtle hint right now. We'll love you regardless.
We love you so much no matter what you do. But if you feel like you want to listen to it, I don't know, maybe donate. You know what I like hearing the things where people are like, Hey, this is my hometown murder. And I know this or I remember seeing the missing posters or like...
Oh yeah, that's always cool. Every time I get that, I'm like, Oh my God, that's so cool. It is really cool. So this is going to be actually an unexpected two part episode two part.
So this two part is going to be out Friday for part one. And then either Saturday or Sunday for part two, depending on whether my children allow me to edit faster. Yes. Either way, there's really only going to be like a day between the parts.
So the reason this is a two part episode is because I found a book on this case. And the book sucked me in and I read it in like a night. And then there was so many details in it that I don't want to leave out. The book is called Runaway Devil by Robert Remington.
And that name is going to make sense later in this case. It's a really great book, really disturbing, but really well done. I'm going to sum this up for everybody. The reason this is two parts is because Elena's a savage psycho.
A psycho savage, if you will. How many pages of notes do I have? 21, 21, 21. 21 pages of notes.
That's insane. So you're 21 Savage is a rapper. So like you have to do one page of notes and you're a savage. So maybe I am that rapper.
I mean, maybe this is my way of telling you that. Wow. It's like when Ron Swanson is Duke Silver. Yes.
Yes. It's exactly like that. Wow. Oh, Happy Belated Mother's Day.
Yeah. Every mother form out there. Yeah, whether you're a pet mom, a birth mom, a step parent, a foster mom, whether you just a mom figure of some sort, a podcast mom like myself. Yeah.
I don't have kids, but I have a podcast. She's all your moms. I'm your mom. That's scary.
That's really terrifying. That's really scary. Good luck with your life. But either way, we didn't get to wish you on the day.
So we just wanted to wish a happy belated for all the moms out there. So let's tell you what this case is. Yeah, let's do it. That you're going to be listening to for two episodes.
So this is the case of Jasmine Richardson and Jeremy Stanky. Stanky. Or Stanky. Like Stanky Chops Ramirez, but different.
Call back. Call back. So this is a pretty insane case. Fair warning.
It involves a child's trigger warning. Very, very brutal, but it's fascinating. And it's brief. That part.
Yeah. No. No. It's pretty brutal.
Nothing's brief with you. It's pretty brutal. So just fair warning on that. I will give you all.
I'll try to give you a warning when I'm about to say the kid part, just in case you want to skip over it. I know some people go listening to that. But either way, we're going to do this as respectfully as we possibly can, like always. So put your seatbelt on, put your car and drive and start on your commute.
Do it right now. So this case takes place in. This is an amazing name for a place. Medicine hat.
Is that a true thing? It's a true thing. Medicine hat. An Alberta, Canada.
Alberta. So for our Canadian listeners, this one's for you. So anybody from Medicine Hat, let us know, because that's a pretty rad place to be from, I think. That is really cool.
So the actual murders took place on April 23, 2006. So this isn't super crazy old. No, it's really not. We're going to start you off by painting a little picture.
A little boy named Gareth was excited at the possibility of playing with his best friend and next door neighbor, eight-year-old Jacob Richardson. They had planned to sleep over the night before at Jacob's house, but they had to cancel it because Gareth got the chance to go to a hockey game with his grandma. So he ran over to his friend's house the next morning because he saw that his dad's truck was in the driveway. And he was like, Mom, can I go play with Jacob?
And his mom was like, totally. So his mom, Sarah, said he came, all of a sudden came running back to her and said, quote, Mommy, there's bodies at Jacob's house with blood on them. I saw them through the basement window. Awesome.
That's a good way to start your day as a mom. Just starting it off. He had her come with him and pointed to the basement window. She peered in and saw the body of a man she was later found out was Jacob's father, Mark, lying face up on the floor.
He was only clad in black boxer shorts, and he was covered in blood from head to toe, especially his face. His arms were raised up in a fighting position like a boxer, like still raised. Oh, wow. And she also saw the body of Jacob's mother, Deborah, behind a couch.
And she was also covered in blood, at least from the waist down, from what you can see. Of course, she freaked out and immediately called the police. Yes, good. So let's talk about the Richardson family.
The Richardson family was a super happy, very normal family. Actually, very, very normal, very happy. The two parents actually, before they had kids, and actually before they met each other, they were both recovering substance abusers. But they completely, they both attended like a ten-terreling.
And they literally totally turned it around. I love that. Met each other, had this happy sober existence, and found spirituality and all this cool stuff, had kids. Everyone around them said they were like the happiest couple ever.
They were just being sober and being happy and having a family. They were happy being happy. They were just happy being happy. Like they weren't some of those assholes that are just bummed to being happy.
If you ever find yourself happy that you're happy, it turned left. Yeah, it doesn't sound like it ends well. Don't do it. And again, nothing of note with them.
Nothing sinister hiding behind the curtain. They were literally a happy family. There was nothing hiding that you're like, oh, there's that dark shit. No.
Were they happy? They were like, I'd say they were happy. OK. You're painting a happy photo of Bob Ross style.
I'm like good, because I was hoping it would come off as happy. You need you to stop saying happy because I feel free. It's lost. Not even.
It just feels attacking at this point. It's very aggressive at this point. I'm like, you're fucking happy. Like happy to come in.
Basically, they were just a simple conventional family, two loving parents, two well adjusted, seemingly happy. Stop. Children. Someone's going to say happy tomorrow.
I'm going to punch them in the face. No. So the father of Mark was 42. The mother of Deborah was 48.
They had a daughter. She was a little get a girl. And she was gorgeous. Googers are sometimes.
Like seriously. They had a daughter Jasmine who was 12 years old. OK. And they had a son Jacob who was eight.
OK. So a neighbor told. They had always took offense by chance. I bet they did.
I see it. I feel like they did. Even if they didn't physically have one, they had one. Yeah.
So a neighbor told the Edmonton Journal that the Richardson's were literally, quote, like a Norman Rockwell family. You don't know what that is. No, I've heard that before. It's a show.
It's a painting. Yep. It's a painting. I knew it was one of the two things.
You don't even have to. I'm not ashamed of you. I always loved what I know. Because I just don't say anything.
And then I look off in the distance to avoid eye contact. I wish everyone listening could like see that when it happens because it's great mode. I know what Norman Rockwell is. It's a painting.
That's what they were. They're on puzzles, I think. OK. Either way, that's what they wear for fucking you.
So just to give you a little bit of background about them as people, because these are the victims that we're talking about, Mark was born in a French-speaking Catholic family in Raisin, Sudbury. He had four sisters and a brother. The sisters were Joyce Paulette, Monique Carroll, and the brother was Paul. Love it.
He met Deborah in 1990 while they were both working out at a gym in Sudbury. They were soon married in Toronto before moving out west to Medicine Hat, Alberta, after 15 years of marriage. Shut up. Mark worked as an instrumentation technician in the oil and gas industry.
In 2003, he had been promoted after working diligently taking engineering classes. He was described as a bear of a man with a bushy mustache and dark hair. Sign me up. He was a handsome dude.
Deborah was described as beautiful. Same. And wow. Just kidding.
I'm totally kidding. If people said she was literally perky and happy to the point of awkwardness. Oh, legit. Nobody says that.
Like, it's the point of awkwardness. She was very interested in native spirituality and research things like medicine wheels, dream catchers, and different medicinal ceremonies and stuff. She was like, all about that stuff. I bet she would have gone to that essential oil party you went to.
For sure. She would have. And she was also into Wicca, which is cool. Same, actually.
She was known for her, quote, megawatt smile and irrepressible, effusive personality. Wow. And she sounded great. The people said they never saw her in a bad mood.
She worked cleaning houses for a while, but she was setting herself up to launch her own business at home where she wanted to offer reiki classes. Oh, no way. She even set up a holistic therapy studio. Wow.
You know, back then. I feel like Ricky's like, I always thought it was kind of like a new thing. This is in 2006. Yeah, but I feel like I just recently figured it out.
Yeah, that's really cool. No, it's like an ancient thing. Yeah. I knew that.
I feel like Ricky's new. No, like I know that it's just trendy right now, is what I know what to mean. So she had even set up a holistic therapy studio in the basement of their home. One thing people agreed on is that she was one of the sweetest people they had ever met, but she was also a lioness when it came to her kids.
Oh, she protected the shit off that. She would not let anyone mess with her kids. I would say that about you. Hell yeah.
That's a huge problem. You're welcome. In October 1993, they had Jasmine, their first child's a daughter. Their oldest Jasmine was happy, outgoing, super sweet.
She went to a Christian school where teachers and peers described her as a good girl and a good student. Friends pointed out that when she moved to Medicine Hat, she made an effort immediately to befriend people and make them feel involved and special. She was just one of those girls that was like, I will reach out to people. I will be friend, whoever.
She was also described as a beautiful girl with her mother's amazing smile, pale blue eyes, and long dark hair. Pictures of her? She was gorgeous. Yeah, I see pics.
Her bedroom was what one would expect from a pre-teen girl. Black. That I just described. You're just kidding.
It was happy, pink, full of stuffed animals, like unicorns, you know, bears, kittens. Sparkles. She had a canopy bed with white lace canopy on it. Least of regular books everywhere.
Yeah, like just wholesomeness. Yeah. Just a wholesome room. Diaries.
She was part of her school's fine arts program initially, and she loved to draw and make music. Oh, cool. Very creative. She also loved her mother's interests, like Reiki Crystal's meditation, and she actually became interested in Wicca as well.
So Jacob, eight-year-old Jacob, was known as the class clown. Yes, love it. This family is awesome. Right?
He was a typical hilarious little boy. She was going to go down, I feel. Yeah, it's all going to be bad. Well, I know that it did.
He loved pretending to be a Jedi, and he loved hockey. Shut up. In his kindergarten yearbook, he wrote, quote, when I grow up, I want to be a policeman or a soldier. The thing I like best about me is that I have a great family, and I am very fast.
My heart. Isn't that just so pure? My heart. Like, it's so pure.
I'm broken. Jasmine was said to adore Jacob. Friends of the family said she played with him all the time. She was a good big sister.
He looked up to her, like, just a nice family. Yeah, fuck. Yeah, it's all going to go to shit. I feel that.
As I feel it come in. Because Jasmine was entering early adolescence around this time. Never good. That's when she can go either OK or real bad.
I don't think it ever goes OK. As someone who went through early adolescence, sorry, dad. I was an asshole to my dad for so long. It's early on.
It's like, good morning. I'd be like, fuck you. Wow. That's tough.
Not necessarily like that. Well, Jasmine kind of did the same thing. She eased into her badness. Actually, she started getting interested in, like, goth culture.
But mainly the artistic side of it. OK. She got into the band The Misfits, like, cradle of filth. Yes.
Slip knot, like, all those kind of it. She started wearing more black and such, but not acting out too much, just getting into the culture. She was just vibing. She was just feeling stuff out.
One thing about Jasmine, though, is that she looked a lot older than 12. She matured very early physically, which is hard. I don't know that because I think I just matured physically. Like, last year, I can resonate with that a little bit.
I think. Yeah, I think you can definitely more than I can. But maybe not as much as Jasmine. Yeah, I definitely can't.
Well, actually, research studies have shown that girls who hit puberty and develop earlier than their peers are more at risk for delinquency and aggressive behavior. Uh-oh. They can also be way more moodier, depressed, and become socially withdrawn and act out sexually. Interesting.
And I think it's because you just start feeling so uncomfortable in your body and you don't know what's happening. You start to get angry at everything. That would make sense. Oh, god, I hope that doesn't happen to my kids someday.
I want you all to remember throughout this entire thing that Jasmine is 12 years old. Just keep that in your brain. Because there were times when I was reading this that I forgot. And then all of a sudden, I'd be like, who?
Damn, she's 12. Whoa, you're in sixth grade when you're 12? Sixth or seventh grade, yeah. Whoa, I was a bitch in seventh grade.
I was getting ruthlessly bullied in seventh grade. You heard? We know you're listening. We know.
So I had 11 years old. Jasmine had signed up for a few online sites because early 2000s. Oh, A-I-M. A-I-M.
She portrayed herself as a lot older on these sites. One was, of course, my space. I was never allowed to have one until I sneaked her. Until you sneaked it.
And she said she was 16 on my space. Because I think you had two to have a my space. Again, she was 11. 11.
Oh, no, at this point she's 11. 11. She said she's 16 and used the username x underscore madness underscore x. Yeah.
Her interests on her my space bio were hatchets. Serial killers, criminal psychology, blood, moonlight, human anatomy, and quote, kinky shit. Mine is the kinky shit I fell as though that was yours. Well, when I was reading it, I was like, same.
Yeah. And then at the end I was like, oh, not so much. I support it. I'm trying to find a place that has my interest.
No. But you really put it out there to the world. It really is especially at 11. Her heroes were Jeffrey Dahmer.
Good. That's a good start. That's a good start. Great start.
Batman. OK. Chris Angel, Mind Freak, and Marilyn Manson. I get most of them just not Dahmer.
I get Marilyn Manson. Well, maybe she wanted to do Mind Freak stuff. Maybe she wanted to be a what are they called? Illusions master.
An illusionist. In 2005, when she was entering seventh grade, that's when her teacher saw a huge difference in her. They said the skirts were getting shorter. She was sporting chains, fishnets, spiked collars, darker makeup, really committing to this whole Roth lifestyle.
And even though the school contacted her parents with concerns about her dress, because remember, she was going to be a Christian school. Right. I'm surprised that she was able to. Yeah.
Even. I don't mean, I'm assuming this wasn't obviously it wasn't one with uniforms. Right. She did get in trouble a lot for messing with the dress code.
Yeah. But her parents didn't see the need to do anything about it, even though the school was calling them, because they were like, she's not hurting anyone. Yeah. So see?
Well, they were like spiritual and express yourself. And they were being cool parents being like, she's not hurting anyone. She's just expressing herself. Right.
They're cool parents, man. So November 10, 2005, I'm just going to let you, like I'm going to go through a few social media things, just because they're important. Yeah. November 10, 2005, she joined the site vampirefreaks.com.
Oh, I have the membership to that. I actually told that's still exists. Oh, that's still a thing. I'm not a member of it, but I'm just saying, I've looked up things and that's come up in my search results.
She said she was 15, even though she was 12. Awesome. And her username was x-killerkittyx or dash x. Cool.
Killer Kitty. Two weeks after that, she joined zorpia.com. Don't know what that is. It's like another social network.
I never used it, but I remember hearing it. Yeah. Because this was right out of my high school experience. Yeah.
It was like three years before mine. So you'd probably know these sites, you'd at least know what they were. Yeah. And she used the nickname, nickname RunawayDevil, which is something.
Cool. That's a good one. The name of the book that I was reading about this case, RunawayDevil. December 28th, 2005, small birthday.
It is, what it is? She joined nextotpia.com, which was a social network local to Edmonton. And she joined that under the username RunawayDevil and used the email, DyingResurrection. That is, things get very emo and very dramatic, by the way.
And that's why I want to keep showing you, because it's just to show how theatrical they were. On this profile, she wrote, and I've got to tell you exactly what she wrote. So quote, I am the almighty jazz bow down. I think deep thoughts.
I'm quite emotional, and my mood is ever-changing, although I can be very good at hiding my feelings. I don't trust easily. I either have lots of energy or very little. I like to make attempts at poetry and anime.
I make wookie noises and often scare small children. I'm afraid of llamas. I am told I am mentally our word. I'm not going to say it.
Often I'm loud and bouncilot. When I'm hyper, I like to dress up and want an Edward Scissorhands outfit. Other people live in my head with me. I like random questions.
I like to pretend I'm a gangster sometimes. Don't worry, I'm not. Yeah, I sometimes watch Teen Titans, because I am that cool. I play guitar and I suck.
OK, OK, all right. Yeah. That was the inner monologue of Jasmine. That was just her bio, like her short little intro about me.
She also posted a lot of lyrics from Cradle of Filth and Slipknot and also Edgar Allan Poe short stories. And so she was really portraying herself as older and dangerous, like a bad girl. Cute. No, this was all just silly rebellion until she met Jeremy Stanky.
Stanky, Stanky. I know it's Stanky, but I call it Stanky. It's not Stanky, it's Stanky. Jeremy Allen Stanky was 23 years old.
Remember, she is 12. Like, fun fact, I'm not even 23 yet. Exactly. Wow, she is 12.
He was a high school dropout and lived in a trailer park in Medicine Hat. He had an alcoholic mother and her partners abused him regularly as he grew up. That's really sad. He had a very sad upbringing.
He had already attempted suicide when he met Jasmine. He also thought he was a 300-year-old werewolf. I like how you casually just threw that right in there. You were like, he was sad and his life was sad and sadness and werewolves.
And he also thought he was a werewolf. Cool. 300 years old, too. So he's been around for a while.
He's seen some shit. I want to know what happens to people's brains. Yeah, I think a lot happened to his parents. I want to know.
He also wore a necklace with a vial of blood around his neck. Who's blood? I think I don't know whose blood that was. Actually, at one point, he did give Jasmine a vial of his own blood.
Kinky. Which is very Angelina Jolie Billy Bob's Thorton of them. Yeah. He said he would best live it.
He said he was part of a lichen brotherhood, whose empire would one day rise. A lichen brotherhood? Lichens are werewolves. OK.
You remember those movies Underworlds? Yeah. It was like vampires versus lichens. Oh, okay.
Yeah. In a personal blog post he wrote, he said, quote, we must meet in the cemetery one hour before the full moon is all this. Yeah, we got to. To speak of a tragedy within the coven exclamation point.
Those who have not overcome the mindless rage need not attend exclamation point. Yeah. I mean, you got to meet. So that's where his head was at?
Yeah, he was doing it. And he's 23. President of the werewolves. You have to meet under the blood move.
You do. You have to. Or else shit goes awry. He also regularly told people that they better be careful because he might eat them.
Well, he's a werewolf. It's pretty casual. Jeremy was really badly bullied in school. They used to call him stinky because like we are.
Going back to the and going back to the abuse he suffered at home. It was rough. His biological father would come home drunk every day, whip him and drag him to his room by his ears. Oh, geez.
And his mother said this happened from the time he was like a toddler. Like, cool. Why don't you do something about it later off? Oh, yeah.
His mom's. Yeah. Shitbag. His first stepfather was a drunk as well and had three kids of his own.
He would line them all up if somebody did something wrong and slap their hands with paint sticks until someone confessed. Jesus. Jeremy claimed he would also tie them to chairs sometimes and make them watch the other ones being abused. Oh, that's like really fucked up.
Yeah. His mom's third husband once pushed Jeremy's head into a deep freezer causing injury. And when he once tried to help his mother when she was being abused by that stepfather, the stepfather grabbed him by the neck and gave him quote, uppercuts to the face and pounded him in the back of the head. That's according to his mother.
Wow. And that was when Jeremy tried to save his mother from this man. I really don't like that. So he's constantly being abused and witnessing abuse.
He definitely experienced head trauma. Absolutely. Which is like, yeah. So he's obviously unstable.
They also moved all the time. And Jeremy said quote, I have never been in one place for too long. I only had a few friends because I was always moving around. So I was never able to make friends very frequently.
He ended up making when he when they settled in Medicine Hat is where they stayed for a longer time. So he was able to like get in with a group of like goth kids and he was able to find his place there. And you know what? I feel like him like saying that he's a werewolf is just kind of like he needs an estate.
Oh, yeah. The 100%. That's where his head is. I need to escape this awful life that I have.
Even in his even his elementary school teachers said he was just an angry unstable child. Obviously. He started smoking weed in his early teens, which is not like, you know, whatever. But he was also drinking a lot.
He quickly added ecstasy, mushrooms, and acid. That'll really do a number. He suffered from ADHD. And at 15, he got blackout drunk by himself outside in the dead of winter and had to be hospitalized because he passed out and got hypothermia.
That was at 15. Was that like a suicide attempt, do you think? I don't know. It might have been.
That's interesting. At this time, he also became a cutter. And things continued to be tough for him at school. He picked fights and people described him as someone that was kind of just like asking to be teased.
Right. He dropped out three months into 10th grade. Oh. He moved in with friends and worked some dead end jobs.
But in 2004, he tried to do something with his life. And he enrolled in Medicine Hat College to finish off his high school credits. But he dropped out. It was in 2005 that he moved back in with his mom to her trailer.
No, no, bad plan, bad plan. Not a good place. That same year, she was charged with stabbing Wilfred Yates, her sometimes boyfriend, sometimes boyfriend. She got 12 months probation, but she breached that because she wouldn't stop seeing the guy that she stabbed.
Oh. So this is the role model. The place that he's come in front of. Awesome.
Some people, I mean, I think a lot of people have lived lives like this and do good things. But yeah. But it's not a good. It's really easy to argue that these people don't stand a chance.
It doesn't make what they do OK, but it's like, no, but it's just it's like you're breeding a serial killer. That's the thing. And it's like, why would you not just do your best when you have a child? Only if you don't want it.
Like obviously, this lady didn't want to have kids. So it's clearly very, you know, give them up for adoption. Well, that's the thing. And it's like, she's bringing all these awful men around her.
It's like, abuse him. And it's like, what is the point of having a kid? Yeah. I don't understand.
What do you think you're creating with that? I mind that you have a kid so that you can protect them and teach them things and have them and do fun things. And the whole point is to make their life even better than what you had. Yeah, I just don't get that.
That's what, at least that's how I look at it. And I have a great life, I have a great upbringing. And I'm like, I want yours to be even better. It's like, that's what you strive for.
You're just like, want it to always be better for them. Like, solid no comment on my upbringing. But I mean, I want my kids' life to be dope. Exactly.
And that's what makes a good parent. I feel like that tension is the first step to good parenting is that it's having that intention. This lady clearly didn't. Between packing passports and raving to check in, holiday prep can be well pure chaos.
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People said after this relationship, that's when he started dating younger and younger girls. Oh. Yeah. Do you feel as though he was mentally not 23?
Oh, 100%. He was not mentally one. Do you think that he was on the spectrum? Or do you think he was on the crazy abuse that I'm young?
Yeah. I think he's just incredibly immature. Yeah. Incredibly immature.
And I think he was retreating into these fantasy worlds, which was also kind of like coping thing. Yeah. And it's kind of like keeping him in a younger mindset. You know what I mean?
Yeah. You can't really grow up and think you're away from the same time. And I think he's also just really gross and wanted a day 12-year-old. It's also about.
Oh, yeah. He started doing coke a lot, getting in trouble with police. He was shoplifting, writing bad checks, disturbing the piece. Just shit.
Love. Shit isn't coma. Just true. The piece is my favorite.
I think I know it is. It wasn't until he was 22 that he started doing the goth thing. That's when he found his place. Oh, that's interesting.
It's a very late bloomer. And he thought he was a werewolf before that though. For sure. Yeah.
That's very goth-y, I feel it. But he started really going into the goth thing. It's like a sublet. Yeah, I think.
Yeah, exactly. In fact, one of his favorite bands that he listed was Children of Bodum. Oh, shit. With that band that's named after the late Bodum murders.
We're bringing it back again. Well, I like when we say things about the same time. Exactly. He started wearing black spiked collars, the whole thing.
He found popularity among the crowd, finally. Cool. And this was a crowd that literally hung out at the mall. Yeah, I remember.
It's like the mall goths. They kind of treated him like a de facto leader. A lot of people looked to him. I mean, he was older.
All the girls were in love with him. Got to look him up now. You won't understand it. Cool.
At least I didn't. What if I did? If you do, then I could talk to you. But that's what I do.
Normally, goths are very chill, very non-violent, mellow people. Part of the goth lifestyle is not being violent and aggressive. But Jeremy was aggressive as fuck. So he also just wanted to hang out with younger people.
Like we said, he's just connected more with really young kids. Interestingly, his weird thing with hanging out with younger kids is common in people who suffer from fetal alcohol spectrum disorder. He kind of looks like he has that. It is a developmental issue associated with it.
ADHD is also found in about 60% of fetal alcohol spectrum disorder cases. Interesting. So people with this are impulsive. They have problems putting themselves in reckless situations.
They don't think about it. And they don't think about right or wrong or consequences, which describes him perfectly. Weirdly, like I said, a lot of girls said who knew him said he was super sweet, kind, generous. Not a lot of people said a lot of bad words about him.
Especially in that goth community. They all said he was pretty chill person. In 2005, when he got super goth, he also started to wear a neoprene black face mask sometimes, just for the hell of it. This comes back later.
It's important. It was one of those that just covers the lower half of the face and the nose. It's just like us. What's neoprene?
Neoprene is kind of like scuba diving material. Oh, OK. It was in 2005 that Jeremy met Jasmine. Feel like it's not going to go anywhere good.
Nope. Definitely doesn't. Jasmine's 13-year-old friend, Kaylee, introduced them. She liked that he was popular in the Goth crowd.
She said he was really hyper. And she liked she's like she's like you were afraid of llamas. And you liked about some random. He's hyper too.
Exactly. I should meet. It's true. And he was always the center of attention.
So she liked it. Her friend Kaylee, by the way, was like an absolute wreck and was like a teen run away all the time. Oh, that's odd. Jasmine and Jeremy bonded over being misunderstood.
Because like goth. Exactly. And Jasmine was starting to get shit from her parents now because she was hanging out with a ton of older dudes. Yeah.
Like Jeremy. But she hung out before she met Jeremy. She was hanging out with these two guys named Raven, which is fine. OK.