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EPISODE · Jun 18, 2026 · 1H

Jason MacKenzie: Learning After Losing His Wife & Daughter & Coaching Thousands of Men

from The Obliterated Place with Kaye Steinsapir · host Kaye Steinsapir

In this episode, I connect with a fellow writer whose work I deeply admire, Jason MacKenzie. Jason and I first crossed paths on Substack, where we both write about our beautiful, young daughters who left this world far too soon. Jason joins us from Canada to share his raw, unfiltered journey through an obliterated place that began long ago. For over five grueling years, Jason’s first wife, Cindy — a dedicated police officer — was plagued by severe mental health struggles and trauma until she tragically ended her life. Suddenly a single dad of two small daughters, Jason thought he could simply "love them to healing." Jason coped by “drinking himself silly,” not understanding the connection to his grief until after becoming sober.In 2023, Jason’s nineteen-year-old daughter, Chloe, passed away after her own agonizing battle with mental health. Jason opens up about his consecutive, profound losses and how his grief since losing Chloe is different from his experience after her mother’s death. On his Substack, “Man Down, “ Jason shares the exact things he learned after losing his wife and daughter, and from coaching thousands of men. Every week, he breaks down what really happens when you get knocked on your ass and how to grow through it without losing your self-respect. I highly recommend checking it out.Connect with Jason MacKenzie:Substack: Man DownConnect with Kaye Steinsapir: Subscribe on YouTubeInstagram: @teammollyofficial Substack: Transforming Pain Into PurposeThe Molly Steinsapir Foundation

In this episode, I connect with a fellow writer whose work I deeply admire, Jason MacKenzie. Jason and I first crossed paths on Substack, where we both write about our beautiful, young daughters who left this world far too soon. Jason joins us from Canada to share his raw, unfiltered journey through an obliterated place that began long ago. For over five grueling years, Jason’s first wife, Cindy — a dedicated police officer — was plagued by severe mental health struggles and trauma until she tragically ended her life. Suddenly a single dad of two small daughters, Jason thought he could simply "love them to healing." Jason coped by “drinking himself silly,” not understanding the connection to his grief until after becoming sober.In 2023, Jason’s nineteen-year-old daughter, Chloe, passed away after her own agonizing battle with mental health. Jason opens up about his consecutive, profound losses and how his grief since losing Chloe is different from his experience after her mother’s death. On his Substack, “Man Down, “ Jason shares the exact things he learned after losing his wife and daughter, and from coaching thousands of men. Every week, he breaks down what really happens when you get knocked on your ass and how to grow through it without losing your self-respect. I highly recommend checking it out.Connect with Jason MacKenzie:Substack: Man DownConnect with Kaye Steinsapir: Subscribe on YouTubeInstagram: @teammollyofficial Substack: Transforming Pain Into PurposeThe Molly Steinsapir Foundation

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