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EPISODE · May 8, 2026 · 49 MIN

Leadership Is a River and Learning to Navigate It Changes Everything with Tony Thelen

from Surfacing Leaders · host Marc Koehler

In this episode of the Surfacing Leaders podcast, host Marc Koehler sits down with executive coach and former John Deere leader Tony Thelen to explore what it really takes to lead through uncertainty, change, and the transitions that shape a career. Drawing on more than 35 years of global leadership experience and his work coaching senior executives today, Tony shares practical insights on how leaders can navigate complexity while continuing to grow themselves and their teams. Tony introduces the powerful metaphor of the river as a model for leadership. Just like a river, change is constant, and leaders must learn to move forward even when they cannot see around the next bend. He highlights four essential leadership capabilities for navigating modern challenges: emotional maturity, lifelong learning, initiating change rather than reacting to it, and developing the ability to act decisively in moments of chaos. Listeners will also hear Tony reflect on the critical transition from individual contributor to people leader, the importance of managing energy as well as time, and why strong relationships must be built long before a crisis arrives. He shares lessons from executive coaching conversations with CEOs and senior leaders who are learning to shift from having all the answers to empowering others to make decisions with confidence. The episode concludes with Tony’s encouragement for leaders at every level: Invest intentionally in yourself. Build relationships before you need them. Stay curious and committed to lifelong learning. Join us for this thoughtful conversation on how consistency, humility, and intentional growth help leaders surface their best selves and guide others through the ever-changing current of work and life. Learn more about Tony Thelen and connect with him here: Website: https://therivercoach.org Email: [email protected]

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