Letting The Megachurch Dream Die - with Lucas Pulley

What if church wasn’t a place—but everyday obedience to Jesus lived out by ordinary people? In this episode, we interview Lucas Pulley, the executive director of the Underground Network. we explore the Underground movement, a global network of 100+ microchurches—worshiping communities sent to obey God’s calling, multiply disciples, and pursue justice among the poor and oppressed. We challenge the idea that speed and impact come from gathering bigger crowds, and instead show how lasting multiplication happens when every believer faithfully obeys their calling over time and the whole network bears fruit together. We also discuss how a simple, minimum definition of church empowers ordinary people to take bold risks for Jesus, how justice and antiracism are woven into the DNA of microchurch life, and how networked microchurches help one another persevere through shared leadership, encouragement, and mutual support—along with practical best practices for getting started.