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EPISODE · Feb 17, 2026 · 53 MIN

Making a Living is Killing Us | Ep9

from Healing People, Not Patients · host Dr. Jonathan Weinkle, Jonathan Clemens

What happens when work breaks the body and spirit?In Episode 9 of Healing People, Not Patients, Jonathan Clemens, a PA specializing in occupational medicine, shares insights from his work with long-term injured workers. With over 20 years of experience transitioning from IT to medicine, he discusses the challenges of balancing patient care with insurance, employers, and ethical dilemmas like malingering. Drawing from biblical texts and personal stories, they examine the loss of income, social connections, and self-worth due to injuries, the moral injuries faced by healers, and strategies for recovery and reintegration. Clemens emphasizes the role of faith in sustaining purpose and treating patients with dignity.Top 3 Takeaways:Barriers in Occupational Medicine: Clinicians must navigate multiple stakeholders, patients, insurers, employers, while detecting fraud without punitive care, treating all with respect despite a 5% malingering rate.Impact of Injuries on Identity: Workers lose income (replaced at only 60%), social ties, and self-actualization; disability fixation can lead to despair, especially for immigrants or older workers, but retraining and community support offer paths to recovery.Dangers to Healers: Healthcare professionals face physical and moral injuries from violence, burnout, and systemic pressures; faith and patient-centered approaches, like allocating time for stories, help mitigate these risks and restore purpose.About the Guest:Jonathan Clemens is a Physician Assistant specializing in occupational medicine in Olympia, Washington, with a background in family medicine, sleep medicine, pain medicine, and eating disorders. He holds a PA degree from Pacific University and a Doctor of Medical Sciences from A.T. Still University in Arizona. After a successful career in IT security, he transitioned to medicine at age 40, focusing on long-term injured workers in Washington's industrial insurance program. He met host Dr. Weinkle at the Conference on Medicine and Religion and shares a passion for integrating faith, ethics, and patient care.About the Show:Healing People, Not Patients explores ways to enhance medical practice by infusing it with compassion, humanity, and a deeper sense of purpose, aiming to help healthcare professionals rediscover the "soul" of their work. Framed around the four questions of the Passover Seder, it probes how to transform medicine for the better, promoting an empathetic and supportive approach that empowers patients to create meaningful, sober lives, while drawing on Jewish teachings about community and friendship."Our theme song, "Room for the Soul," is available on Bandcamp at https://jonathanweinkle.bandcamp.com/track/room-for-the-soul."About the Host:Dr. Jonathan Weinkle is an internist and pediatrician who practices primary care at a community health center in Pittsburgh. He strives to be a "nice Jewish doctor" focused on  patient-centered healthcare, emphasizing effective communication and holistic well-being.He teaches the courses, “Death and the Healthcare Professions” and “Healing and Humanity” at the University of Pittsburgh, authored the books Healing People, Not Patients and Illness to Exodus, and runs ‘Healers Who Listen’, where he blogs on healing and Jewish tradition. Once an aspiring rabbi, he now integrates faith and medicine to support other physicians and his own patients.🌐 Website: healerswholisten.com🔗 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jonathan-weinkle-3440032a📸 Instagram: @HealersWhoListen📘 Facebook: @JonathanWeinkle   The Healing People, Not Patients Podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and does not constitute medical, legal, or professional advice. Always consult qualified professionals regarding your personal or organizational decisions. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Join host Dr. Jonathan Weinkle and guest Jonathan Clemens, PA, on Healing People, Not Patients as they discuss the impact of work injuries on patients' lives and the healing professions. Explore how occupational medicine navigates recovery, loss of identity, and the dangers faced by healthcare workers, drawing on faith and compassion to foster healing beyond physical repair.

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