Managing World Leaders with Phoebe Saintilan-Stocks

The Chief of Staff is 'Part strategist, part therapist, part parent' to the world leader. Phoebe Saintilan-Stocks has interviewed pretty much all of them, and today I realised this invisible right hand is actually kind of important. Check out Pheobe's book! Here's the link for Australia-based listeners, and here's the international shipping link. Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclubWant to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primoWATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.