The Overexamined Life

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The Overexamined Life

Deep conversations for short attention spans.Get access to the AD-FREE feed + Recieve bonus episodes by subscribing on patreon.com/TOLclubThe world is beautiful, full of fascinating people, and people I love, and I'm so lost in neurotic thought that I'm missing... most of it. I'm an overexaminer.Why, when scubadiving in the Great Barrier Reef, instead of drinking in the marine wonders, am I just replaying that time I was picked last in P.E. basketball?Why, at a close friend's wedding, did I miss half the groom's speech because I was thinking about my crap haircut.If that sounds like you too, then join me on a quest to discover ways in which we can become more present, more fulfilled and more curi

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    Love your work or it will eat you alive, with Youtube Star Caddicarus

    If you're a writer, musician, entrepreneur - someone building something in the margins of your real life, this one is for you.My guest today is Caddicarus: over a million subscribers, nearly 400 million views, and a very honest bloke.Here's the thing so many of us carry without even realising it, the belief that the moment we hit the number, whatever your number is, life clicks into place. Caddickarus has the number and he still found himself burnt out, hollow, losing the will to make the very thing that made him who he is.The data doesn't keep you going. The passion keeps you going. The why keeps you going.Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclubWant to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primoWATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    50 Shades of Shame: Why self-hatred fuels addiction with Dr. Jonathan Bricker

    Jonathan Bricker makes the case that shame isn't just a byproduct of addictive behaviour, it's basically the whole engine. We get into why that voice in your head, the really mean one. The really really really really mean one, is actively strengthening the very cravings it's trying to crush. And Jonathan hands us something genuinely useful: a clear, evidence-based way of handling urges that doesn't involve white-knuckling it or hating yourself thin.Checkout Jonathan’s addiction app, Quitbot, here: https://quitbot.net/Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclubWant to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primoWATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    How to Prepare for Your Death, with Death Doula Helen Callanan

    What if death wasn’t something to fear? What if you were completely at peace? In short, what if dying didn’t suck? Helen and her team at Preparing the Way (https://preparingtheway.com.au/), walk alongside people in the final chapter of their lives. We talk about what it means to heal into death rather than fight it, why grief doesn't start when someone dies but long before that, what the phrase conscious dying actually means, and Helen very generously lets me use myself as a guinea pig, which results in one of the stranger and more unexpectedly moving conversations I've had on this show. Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclubWant to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primoWATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    The Most Mind-Bending Gratitude Exercise You've Never Done

    This will make all your food taste so good that you just might literally explode right now where you are I'm serious, click this to explode. We all want to explode!Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    What If Your Anxiety Is Actually an Asset with Dr. David Rosmarin

    This one got personal. We go deep into my own panic attacks, and at a certain point it stops feeling like an interview and starts feeling like a live therapy session.Dr. David Rosmarin is a clinical psychologist, Harvard Medical School faculty member, and founder of the Centre for Anxiety, and he has spent his career arguing that anxiety isn't a disease to be cured but a human condition to be understood. That when you stop fighting it, the edge comes off. And beneath it, more often than not, you find a virtue.More from Dr. Rosmarin https://dhrosmarin.com/Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclubWant to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primoWATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    It’s so freeing to stop fighting reality.

    The grass may be greener on the other side, but it doesn’t matter, you’re on this side. Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclubWant to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primoWATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    We’re Not Meant to Feel Good All the Time with Johann Hari

    We spend our days optimising, refining, and sanding down every rough edge, only to end up exhausted in a life that looks right but feels strangely hollow. In this conversation with Johann Hari, we unravel the illusion of “junk values” and explore Eudaimonia, a deeper, more human kind of meaning that can’t be engineered.More about Johann here! https://johannhari.com/Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    How to Stop Life Slipping Away.

    Do you ever feel like you’re missing your own life? Like you’re just a passenger? You’re always experiencing something, but when you look back, the day is a blur… memories without the feeling of having lived them. It feels like just yesterday I was 17. It probably does for you too. Unless you are 16. Anyway. I think I’ve found a solution to this problem. Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Are Romantic Relationships with A.I. Healthy? With Deborah Nas

    A.I. is getting smarter and more intimate. People whisper secrets to glowing screens, confess fears to code, feel understood by something that isn’t conscious. I catch myself doing it too, more than I probably should.So I called in Deborah Nas, tech strategist and futurist, to talk A.I.-induced psychosis, the ethics of A.I. romance, and what it means for our brains, hearts, and society. Few conversations have felt this urgent.Check out Deborah’s TEDx talk: Why are people falling in love with ChatGPT? https://youtu.be/WWS086AY1OsSick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Why Constantly Changing Your Mind is OKAY.

    What if changing your mind wasn’t a weakness, but the most honest way to live? I am convinced (for now) that embracing the idea that you are not one rigid identity allows you to not ‘dig in’ to any one position and really frees you up to be authentic. When there’s no self to defend, hypocrisy isn’t hypocrisy at all: it’s honesty.Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    How to Succeed as a Creative with Adam Leipzig

    The creative life can be brutal. It seems there’s endless work required for the most minimal recognition, and this endless work only begins after you finish your day job, since none of it pays anyway. At least this line of thinking is one creatives tend fall prey to. Which is not helpful, regardless of whether or not it’s true. Cue Adam Leipzig;Adam was a senior executive at Walt Disney Studios and later president of National Geographic Films. Adam has been a producer, distributor, or supervising executive on forty films including Dead Poets Society, March of the Penguins His projects have earned more than $2 billion worldwide and have won multiples Oscars, BAFTAs, Emmys, Golden Globes. Adam continues to produces films, teaches at UC Berkeley’s Haas School of Business, and is author of Fearless Persistence: Creative Life, Creative Work, and the Ten Laws of Culturenomics—a book and movement about courage, purpose, and pushing forward when the path gets tough. Adam has created tried and true methodologies for resilience and success in creative fields, some of these secrets he was kind enough to share with us today. If you do any kind of work purely out of passion, this is a must listen.Check out Adam’s Audiobook: https://adamleipzig.com/advanced-listener-editionSick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Why you MUST change the way you speak to yourself

    The voice in your head is either your ally or your enemy. And you have the power to choose. The words we use to describe ourselves our the words we begin to believe. The way you speak to yourself, really really, matters Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    How to Actually Enjoy Being Alive with Dr. Shannon Albarelli

    Today, I chat with Dr. Shannon Albarelli, a clinical psychologist, mindfulness instructor, and ketamine-assisted therapy guide. We dive into her journey through loss, and explore how science, ancient wisdom, and psychedelics can help us unlock new parts of ourselves, find peace, and actually enjoy being alive.Find out more about Dr. Shannon here: https://www.doctor-shannon.com/Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Why Stoicism is Life Changing, with Olympic Gold Medalist Mark Tuitert

    In honour of the 2026 Winter Olympics, we sit down with speed skating gold medalist Mark Tuitert to explore what actually separates an Olympic champion from everyone else—and it turns out it’s not just training harder, but mastering forgiveness, acceptance, and the messy reality of being human. Drawing on Stoic philosophy, personal loss, and hard-won perspective, this conversation is a must-listen for anyone curious about the inner chemistry of peak performance.Get your copy of "The Stoic Mindset" here: https://marktuitert.nl/en/the-stoic-mindset/Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    What Happened Before the Big Bang?

    If nobody knows, how can we trust anything? Fortunately Alan Watts weighs in to make us feel at peace. Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Recovering From Burnout with Vic Zerbst

    Vic Zerbst is a weapon of mass creation. They co-wrote and starred in Optics (Logie-nominated for Best Scripted Comedy) and the Christmas movie Nugget is Dead. They are also one half of the award-winning sketch duo Fruidian Nip, and this year premiered Converted! which is a queer musical developed through the Rebel Wilson Comedy Commission.But we had Vic on not just as a comedian, but as a razor-sharp thinker. In this conversation we dive into creativity, burnout, chronic pain, Vic's thoughtful takes on AI and epistemology, and of course free will.Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Regulating the Nervous System with Master Mingtong Gu

    Master Mingtong Gu, an ex-mathematician turned meditation master, has abandoned his algorithms for slow-motion arm waving. Well it’s much more than that. The art of Qigong is a recipe to become calmer, clearer, and harder to rattle. We talk about what Qigong is, how it regulates your nervous systems, why you can’t logic your way out of burnout, why today’s leaders are ineffective, how to take control of your own health, connecting the mind and body, and much more. Ennnnjoy!Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Why A.I. Doesn't Save Us Time

    just can't help myself peeps.Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Beauty is in the Eye of the Echidna

    Things have been grim but now they're ok because of an echidna :)Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    An End of Year Suprise!

    A very quick wrap up and we hear from a much requested special guest. Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Emotional Reflection on the Bondi Beach Shooting

    unprocessed thoughts i dont know what else to do with Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Managing World Leaders with Phoebe Saintilan-Stocks

    The Chief of Staff is 'Part strategist, part therapist, part parent' to the world leader. Phoebe Saintilan-Stocks has interviewed pretty much all of them, and today I realised this invisible right hand is actually kind of important. Check out Pheobe's book! Here's the link for Australia-based listeners, and here's the international shipping link. Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclubWant to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primoWATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    The Art of Being 100% Authentic with Margery Ai

    Imagine saying EXACTLY what you think, and doing EXACTLY what you feel like doing? Sounds crazy to me, but Margery Ai has cultivated her ability to do exactly that. Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclubWant to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primoWATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    If You’re Scared of Dying, Listen to This

    Death anxiety sucks up a lot of energy, but even if you don’t believe in the afterlife, there are some very good reasons not to worry. Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclubWant to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primoWATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Mental Frame Shifts That Have Transformed My Sleep (NO MEDS)

    3 abstract techniques that have helped me kick insomnia without medication, therefore making life 1000x better. Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclubWant to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primoWATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    I Got Food Poisoning in an Escape Room Pt.2

    We'll be back to regular programming next week but I just needed to *get this out of my system*Explicit language warningSick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    I Got Food Poisoning in an Escape Room Pt.1

    BUT, let everything else, it was an opportunity, a violent opportunity - to learn more about what it is to be human.Support me on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/TOLclub GET 30 DAYS OF THE WAKING UP APP FREE: wakingup.com/primo  Follow Jonah Primo on Instagram: instagram.com/jonahprimo or visit his Website: Jonahprimo.comJonah writes on Substack: https://jonahprimo.substack.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    The Courage to Question Everything We Believe With Dr. Miriam Schoenfield

    From leaving orthodox religion, to positing that we may be actual literal brains floating through space (and then exploding), Miriam Schoenfield, philosophy PhD, takes us on a rollercoaster ride for our minds - explaining why we should seek the exhilarating thrill of being wrong about everything we believe. NOTE: I know there's a bit of echo and audio hum in this one, our main recording exploded and this was made from the backup, I'm SORRY.Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Slipping Through the Cracks with Katherine May

    Imagine if slipping through the cracks was not a disaster, but a subtle art? Today we settle in with Katherine May, the internationally bestselling British author of "Wintering", whose words have redefined how we think about stillness, resilience, and wonder. In one of my favourite episodes this season, we wander through the land of naps, daydreams and the art of staring out the window until something starts to make sense. Katherine reminds us that those quiet spells when everything seems to slow to a crawl are not catastrophes, but secret invitations to start again.Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo Read Katherine's Book Wintering here and her new book, here.  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Why Children Should Tell Our War Stories

    I find myself chasing the ever-fleeting hummingbird of innocence, that shimmering thing that flits just out of reach once you’ve seen too much of the world. But we need art to keep expressing this. Through the eyes of innocent children. only then do we remember how to feel horror again, unfiltered and unarmored. Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Tim Minchin on Reclaiming Our Sense of Meaning

    My guest today is the brilliant Tim Minchin. You may know him from his Tony and Olivier-winning, Grammy-nominated musical Matilda, his viral song Come Home (Cardinal Pell), or his unforgettable University of Western Australia graduation address.Tim is a relentless interrogator of the human condition: a skeptic, a critic of dogma and pseudoscience, and a fierce champion of empiricism and evidence-based thinking, all while being incredibly funny.In this conversation, we explore whether you should have grand dreams, the purpose of art, A.I., social media, meaning, mental health, orgasms and much more.Buy tix to Tim's upcoming tour here (If hyperlinks disabled - https://www.timminchin.com/2025/04/07/songs-the-world-will-never-hear-2025-australian-tour/#more-26024)The book we mentioned, "You Don't Have to Have a Dream" is available here (If hyperlinks disabled - https://www.penguin.com.au/books/you-dont-have-to-have-a-dream-9781761620058)Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Cancer, Racism and Violence, Through the Eyes of a Buddhist Dzogchen Master - James Low

    WE ARE BACK BABY! Welcome to Season 2, - and what a guest to start off with. We talked about some heavy stuff, but through the lens of buddhism. Like how does a buddhist see racism, the israel-palestine conflict, happiness, what James' own ongoing struggle with cancer looks like, through the eyes of one who is if not enlightened, pretty enlightenedish. Enjoy.Our GuestJames Low was born in Scotland, but his spirit was forged in Himalayan crags and Indian monasteries under great buddhist maasters. James wove together his understanding of Western thought and Eastern ritual — psychology, philosophy, psychotherapy — into his teachings, and has become one of the most renowned voices in making Dzogchen and mindfulness intelligible to us overexaminers and chronic sufferers. https://simplybeing.co.uk/Learn something? Enjoy ad-free episodes and help us keep the show running at patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    GAME: Is the quote from a spiritual leader or a criminal psychopath?

    It’s a wild ride through the blurred lines between enlightenment and delusion. You won't get full marks. Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    This Podcast Needs to GROW UP

    A quick retrospective on the childhood of this show and some strategizing for the future.  Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Should We Still Be Having Kids?

    Anti-Natalist, Pessimist, and Environmentalist ideas square up against basic instinct.  Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Attempting to Relentlessly Enjoy the Dentist

    Philosophers Kahlil Gibran and Martha Nussbaum help me to stubbornly LOVE my dentist appointment.Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Does Happiness Really Come From Within?

    Today we are happy! Why? Can't figure it out. Well we can't just be happy - time to overexamine this wonderful feeling! Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    My Favourite Tool For Coping With Unfairness

    Life is unfair. We're reminded of this everyday in little painful moments. Why are some people beautiful? Some rich? Some talented? etc. All I know is unfairness really hurts. Here's where I find some relief. Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Why Sunsets Are Lifechanging - Thoughts from Trancendentalists

    Sunsets are not just pretty things that happen to the sky, they are powerful reminders that tomorrow is a chance for a fresh start.We draw on trancendentalist Ralph Waldo Emerson & anthropologist Frank Hamilton CushingSick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Why Understanding Absurdity Is Absurdly Freeing

    When you get down to the nitty gritty, nobody really knows anything concrete. That doesn't have to scare us, if we reframe, it can free us. Today we learn from Albert Camus and Franz Kafka.Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    What I Learned Living On An Empty Island

    Life is far more complicated when you're not surrounded by endless ocean. Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Grass

    If the grass is greener somewhere else, it doesn't matter...Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Arrows

    I go on a spontaneous adventure...Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Train

    A short vignette of missing a train...Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Childhood

    Running through shadows of the past... Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Living in Total Darkness with Nate Green

    Nate Green is the Head of Content at the Waking Up App. Nate has sat some of the most intense, exclusive and arcane meditation retreats all across the world, Nate’s also studied with some of the most decorated spiritual leaders of our time. We talk Extreme Retreats, ADHD, Addiction, and Progress in Meditation.Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    How Buddha, Jesus, and Seneca Coped With Anxiety

    The intersection of Western and Eastern philosophy is fascinating. All across the world, over 2000 years ago, great minds came up with similar ideas on how to enjoy the present.Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    The Meaning of Life with M.I.T. Head of Philosophy Kieran Setiya

    I sat down with Professor Kieran Setiya, Head Philosophy Professor at M.I.T., and asked him about some of the profound topics Keiran wrestles with in his most recent book "Life is Hard". We explore the meaning of life, finding hope, navigating injustice, existential value, and most importantly for me at least, regret.Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclubKieran's book: http://www.ksetiya.net/life-is-hard.html Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    The Key Idea That Allows Me To Survive Regret

    I'm not the best at anything. I've spent a lot of time pursuing random things that excite me. Sometimes I don't mind that, but sometimes it almost kills me. Keiran Setiya helps us navigate regret. Sick of being ruled by your emotions?Join our Patreon for AD-FREE listening, bonus episodes, and mindfulness exercises that are actually fun: patreon.com/TOLclub Want to learn how to meditate? Get 30 days of the Waking Up App FREE: wakingup.com/primo  WATCH THE PODCAST on YoutubeFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram or visit his WebsiteJonah writes on SubstackEmail Jonah Primo at [email protected] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Zen and Awakening with Henry Shukman

    I just had the privilege of a fireside chat with the radient Henry Shukman, a zen teacher who I’ve always found does a phenomenal job of making a deeper practice accessible to the average schmuck like me.Here I am at 31, doing my best to be mindful enough hear the occasional bird chirping on my way to a local brewery (the same brewery where I read Henry’s latest book, “Original Love”) - while Henry recounts a moment of spontaneous awakening on a beach in Argentina at age 19, where the boundaries between self and world dissolved into a single, insubstantial field of presence.We talk about Henry's awakening, breakdown and re-awakening, zen, staying present, memory, Koans, and most importantly, universal love.Check out 'The Way' app here: https://www.thewayapp.com/Sick of being ruled by your emotions? Join our Patreon for Practical Exercises, Bonus Episodes & a AD-Free podcast:   / tolclub  GET 30 DAYS OF THE WAKING UP APP FREE: wakingup.com/primoFollow Jonah Primo on Instagram: instagram.com/jonahprimoor visit his Website: Jonahprimo.comJonah writes on Substack: https://jonahprimo.substack.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Deep conversations for short attention spans.Get access to the AD-FREE feed + Recieve bonus episodes by subscribing on patreon.com/TOLclubThe world is beautiful, full of fascinating people, and people I love, and I'm so lost in neurotic thought that I'm missing... most of it. I'm an overexaminer.Why, when scubadiving in the Great Barrier Reef, instead of drinking in the marine wonders, am I just replaying that time I was picked last in P.E. basketball?Why, at a close friend's wedding, did I miss half the groom's speech because I was thinking about my crap haircut.If that sounds like you too, then join me on a quest to discover ways in which we can become more present, more fulfilled and more curi

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