"Maybe I Need An Empty Drawer"

On this episode of Needed To Hear That, Chaz and Chris tackle a question that seems simple on the surface but gets more complicated the longer you sit with it: How do you know when you're doing too much? The conversation explores the tension between ambition and burnout, service and self-neglect, and why so many people feel simultaneously overwhelmed and convinced they aren't doing enough. Drawing from personal experiences in recovery, business ownership, ministry, parenting, and mental health work, they unpack the pressure to constantly produce, stay busy, and keep adding new responsibilities—even when the fire is already burning hot. Along the way, they discuss hustle culture, guilt, people-pleasing, boundaries, disappointment, and the uncomfortable reality that taking care of yourself sometimes means letting someone else down. Chaz shares stories from therapy and Buddhist teachings, while Chris reflects on recovery, work, family life, and the challenge of learning that rest doesn't have to be earned. This episode is ultimately an invitation to slow down, take inventory, and ask yourself a difficult question: Are you filling your life because it's meaningful, or because you're afraid of what you'll find in the empty space?