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Your support has fueled this series. And for that, I'm immensely grateful. It's your curiosity and engagement that bring these riveting conversations to life. In this session, we're delving into the expertise of Dr.
Kedar, who stands as a leading authority on Arab culture in Israel. Notably, he is among the rare voices to engage with Arab media in their own language, advocating for Israel with elephants and insight in fluent Arabic. Dr. Kedar offers a sobering perspective.
The quest for peace in Israel is shadowed by the broader tumult within the Arab and Muslim worlds. If internal strife persists, what hope is there for external harmony, particularly with the Jewish state? We'll explore the religious dimensions of the Israeli-Arab conflict and unravel the complex relationship between the Palestinian Authority and Hamas. Prepare for a thought-provoking discussion.
Enjoy. Welcome to Deconstructive Criticism, Dr. Mordhai Kedar. Thank you so much, Aaron.
For having me here. It's an honor to have you. It's an honor to have you. It's a challenge.
25 years in military intelligence, Israel's foremost expert in Arab culture. Thank you. It's an honor to meet you, sir. It's my pleasure to be here.
May I ask, as a beginning question, how does a Jew from Tel Aviv become interested in Arab culture? Well, you can add to the question Jewish boy from Tel Aviv, whose mother tongue is Yiddish, and parents originally came from Poland. You can add this to the question. Well, I had a very good teacher for Arabic in the high school, and a man who originally came from Germany.
And a group of 13 kids, Feli Labuim. And we were learning Arabic very seriously. And at the end of the high school, we've already read parts of the Quran, classical literature, modern literature, and the journalism. We could read a newspaper from side to side without any dictionary.
Already at the end of high school, which is very high level. And then we went to the military intelligence. I was there for 25 years. And meanwhile, I started also academic career.
And after I was released in 1995, I joined the Berlin University. It was a doctoral candidate. And then I was teacher. All the way to the system.
It is. May I ask you something about October 7th? Did October 7th change your perspective on the conflict between Israel and its neighbors? No, it's not.
For years, I'm talking about the depth of this conflict, which is not about territory. It's not even about existence of the state of Israel. It is about religion. Because in the eyes of Muslims, Judaism as a religion is not employed.
After it was replaced by Christianity and Christianity was replaced by Islam. So both Judaism and Christianity are not employed. Dean Barthel is saying Arabic, can solve religion. Why Islam is being hacked in the religion of truth.
So this Judaism does the judicial, we don't need the Jewish state. There is no reason to have a Jewish state if the Jewish religion does the existing. Second point is that the Jewish people are not people, are not the nation. According to the Islamic view, we are communities which belong to all the nations in the world.
Jew in America is an American Jew, just like other Americans who could be Christians or Muslims. So whatever. Jew in Morocco is a Moroccan Arab who happened to be Jewish, just like other Moroccan Arabs who are Muslim Christians or whatever. Same thing in the Arab, same thing in Russia, same thing in Yemen, the same in everyone.
Jews are not a nation. Jews belong to the nations which they were living with. And the religion did not make them into one nation. So if there is no Jewish nation, why should there be a Jewish state for a nation which doesn't exist?
The third problem with the Islamic religion is that this country, which is called Palestine, is an Islamic country, just like every other country which ever was part of the Islamic home, the early Islam. Because any land has only one way ticket to enter the house of Islam, not to get out. This right, for example, they claim that Spain should return to the Islamic. Al-Anandos.
Al-Anandos. Sicily, the island of Sicily should return to the Islamic. Large parts of the Balkans, which once were under Islamic rule, should return to be Islamic. All the way to Vienna, to the gates of Vienna, when they were defeated in September 11 of 1683.
So all the space on the way to Vienna should return to be Islamic. In this country as well, after all countries have only one way ticket. The fourth problem, called Islam, the Jews and Christians, should live under the yoke of Islam as the means. As people who live under the auspice of Islam.
Jews and Christians have no right to stay to stay to the sovereignty. They all have to be the means under the Islamic law. They are not allowed to write a horse only a donkey. Their homes should lower than the Muslim houses.
They cannot correspond with other countries because they might reveal our secrets. And many other ways of humiliation, they should pay the Gizia, it's a scout-tax. When they are humiliated, because this is what is stated in the Quran. And the Gizia attacks, which a man should pay, according to the number of people in his family.
So all these rules which were designed to delegate and to humiliate the Jews and the Christians under the rule of Islam. All of a sudden, Jews are coming back to this country, are by no means. In 1948 they have a state, an anti-67 they occupy Jerusalem. And some Jews want to parry on the Temple Mount.
And all this means by the state and the occupation of the land, as they say, and the return of Jerusalem and parrying on Temple Mount. It all means that Judaism actually came back to life. After it was cancelled by Islam. And this is something which they cannot take, that they cannot fathom.
Because according to Islam, Judaism is not in void. How can Judaism come back to life like resurrection? Allah wins it. This is a beautiful state.
What Islam is, Islam was actually made by a Satan. In order to put the Muslims in some kind of ordeal, will they obey Allah in fight jihad against this Jewish illegitimate state? Or will they accept it and live with us? And this is actually the ordeal which they are all facing now.
And those who are willing to go to the fight with the jihad, are Hamas and the Islamic Jihad and many other organizations, who are motivated by Islam. And this is, look, we do have peace with other countries, like Egypt, with Egypt, with Jordan, with Emirates, with Bahrain, with Memoroko. Yes, they postponed the poem. They are not the executionals of Allah.
So meanwhile they have to make living, so they make peace with Islam, not because they accept the existence of a Jewish state. They accept the existence of Israel as a state. And since Israel can support them, vis-a-vis Iran, vis-a-vis other things. So meanwhile, make peace with Islam, not because Israel is right to exist, but because Israel exists.
That means that Israel is Dar al-Hara. In principle, yes. In particular life, you can postpone things. Like a good man.
Like a good man. Because Israel is too powerful to mess with. And the Islamic culture is not the suisayah culture. They will send fighters to commit suicide, to be fighters.
They don't commit, they don't consider it suicide. They call it the shad, which means willing to be a shahid, but it is a culture, it is a nation, it is a group, Muslims want to live, to thrive and to succeed and to take other countries as they do in Europe by migration jihad as they consider it. And they are not suisayah yet when they face a strong nation, a strong army, they retrieve until the strong army becomes weak or falls asleep on guard. Is that what happened on October 7th?
Did they think that Israel was asleep? And the first two years. They, for 16 and a half years, are running the state in Gaza. Hamas since they took Gaza over in June 2007, they had 16 and a half good years to develop the place and to convince Israel that all they want is development, money, work in Israel, you know, to make good living and to make good state.
And they actually put the jihad into some kind of a storage. This is the impression which Israel had from top to top. And there this actually was the conception which led us to fall asleep on guard while they were preparing a war which we now we can see that there were some people who were warning from this thing. Yet people don't accept them.
The army did not prepare itself to such an assault and the results are more than clear. Indeed they are. Yeah. What does Hamas want?
Because Hamas doesn't want to see Israel at all, to take it to this monthly or to get it. Yet they now want, as the situation now, and we are in the 137 day of this war, they want to survive because they didn't expect that Israel will invade Gaza because they had over 200 hostages and they believed that if Israel wants to keep these hostages alive, Israel will refrain from invading Gaza. This was a surprise that Israel invaded Gaza and actually destroyed Hamas almost totally in this point. And Israel is going forward in order to destroy Hamas from the military point of view and from the government point of view.
No doubt Israel cannot allow such a thing to remain in Gaza. What will be the day after? There are all kinds of options. Yet Israel has learned the lesson and now we are insisting on getting rid of Hamas altogether.
The world understands it. Most of the democratic countries supported Israel at the beginning at least. And even now, people understand that Hamas is an organization which is just like ISIS. And since the whole world went to ISIS in Iraq and Syria to get rid of it, now the world understands what we are facing.
After all, many politicians and journalists and other people saw what they did on October 7th. And to understand that this kind of mentality, no normal country can live with such mentality. And the day after will the PA take over Gaza? We are afraid that this might be the solution which Americans and Europeans might push forward.
But the PA is no different from Hamas. Let me show you. I have these two scavs, both of Hamas and the PA. Look at this, this is a scarf of Hamas, the Hamas chapter of the Biel-Z university.
Here you can see the map of Israel, all Israel. This is a material that is a lot. This is the book, the Quran, with a verse which says to fight, to strike the arms of the infidels. This is the verse which is written here.
But the whole land of Israel is here. Means for them, there is no space for Israel. This is all Palestine. The PA means the Palestinian Authority, which is the government arm of the PLO, Palestinian immigration organization also.
And this is the flag, the PLO flag. This is Palestine. And this is the whole country. So what is the difference between Hamas and the PLO?
You were the expert, you tell me. They want to eradicate Israel in the name of Islam. This is why this is the color of paradise. And they want to, they want to, Israel is all together in the name of the Palestinian Nationalism, or Arab Nationalism, which is now part of.
But is there a difference between secular nationalism and Islamism? No. What is the difference? This, they want to slaughter us in the name of Islam.
And they want to slaughter us in the name of nationalism. Yes, well, they want to slaughter you for different reasons. But the bottom line is the same. Yes, the consequence of this.
Can we trust these better than we trust these for our security? Personally, I don't think so. But don't you think there's a difference in principle? No.
What is the difference between those who want to eradicate you because you are Jewish by religion, and those who want to eradicate you because you are a religion by nationalism? Because you're Jewish. In both. Look, you can read very clearly the chatros of both both organizations.
Hamas is more religious. And they claim that Israel has no right to exist at all. Because it's against Islam. They say that Israel has no right to exist altogether.
Because it's against Arab Nationalism. So Israel is illegitimate entity for those and these together. So can you delegate our security to these people rather than these people? What is the big difference?
Well, the practical difference for Jews in Israel would be nil, none. Nothing. Of course. That's why we are rather surprised to see that there are some Americans who should know something, especially when all the sources are in English.
They can read everything in English. And the decisions and the chatros and everything. To see that the PLO and the PA is more or less a replica of Hamas. Yes, but you know.
There are some differences in the, let's say, a background, but the bottom line of activity. Look, not only Hamas is a door organization. The PLO has two active door organizations. One is the Tanzing of the Fatah.
And one is Shwadal Aqsa with the Aqsa mountains brigades. And these are armed people who are going around with mask faces and call around the education of the state of Israel in the name of the PLO. And the Aqsa mountains brigade they partook in October 7th, didn't they? Yes, but don't forget that in Gaza, the Aqsa brigades are in the margin because it is controlled by Hamas.
But the Aqsa brigades took very, very important part, very devastating part, in the second and defeated. And thousands of Israel, of Israel, were killed by these people. So can they be trusted? And don't forget that even the security organizations in the PA, people who serve in these organizations actually are part of the Aqsa mountains organization.
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And no, they are terrorists. So what will happen the day after Israel wins this war in Gaza? Well, I think that Israel should have done it long ago to dismantle the PA, to emulate. Emulates in each and every one of the cities of Judean Samaria, the Arab part of everyone, Jaiqor, Ramallah, Nablus, Janin, Tukam, and Talkalia.
Seven cities, each and everyone should be a separate, independent, emulate based on the local clans. Just like the... And all these cities controlled by just one clan? No, no, no, no, no.
They have different clans. They don't get married with each other. Yes, but each city has its own clan. Yes.
And there's not many clans in each city. They are in Kefondal, they are five big clans. But they live together usually peacefully. And they have a court which solves all the problems between the clans.
In Jericho, there is one clan, Alikar. In Nablus, there are three clans, Masid, Tukam, and Shakar. In Tukam, there is one clan, Kami. So initially, they live in peace with each other.
Creating a state based on many clans, like all the cities together in all the clans, will bring us to the same situation. Or Iraq, or Lebanon. Why is that? Because the Arab world is divided to two kinds of states, the successful states and the failing states.
The failing states are Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Sudan, Libya, maybe Algeria as well. While the successful ones are Kuwait, Qatar, Abu Dhabi, Dubai, five more emirates in the United Arab Emirates, Oman and Saudi Arabia. The failing states are conglomerates of clans, ethnic groups like Arabs, Kurds, Tukamans, Turkish, Berber, you know, South Africa. Religious groups like Muslims, Christians, Yazidis, Al-Aweis, Dros and many others.
And sectarian groups, Sunnah, Shia, Salafi, Sufis, all kinds of folks. And they are not galvanized. They are not one group. And with the use, they did not make a nation.
There is no Syrian nation. There is no Iraqi nation. There are clans and ethnic groups which fight each other. This is why the state is a failure because the organization of the state tries to impose itself on everybody by coercion, by force.
And this is why the state is illegitimate in the eyes of most of the population. Why the successful countries, Kuwait, Qatar and so forth, each and everyone is one clan. So it's a collective society? Kuwait belongs to a clan named Al-Sabhar.
Al-Sabhar. Al-Sabhar. Qatar is Al-Sani. Dubai, Al-Maktoum.
Abu Dhabi, Al-Nahyan. Saudi Arabia, Al-Saw. Okay, when you have a clan, one clan, which owns the state, the state is stable. The state is legitimate.
Unlike the failing states, the leadership is the traditional leadership of the tribe, of the clan. And since the society is stable, the political arena is stable. And on this, you can build skyscrapers. If you have oil like Abu Dhabi, you make money on the oil.
If you don't have oil like Dubai, you build buildings by economic, by private sector. It develops the country. And what if you're a clan in the West Bank? You don't have oil done?
Dubai has no oil as well. So in your business, Dubai is based on business. So they make business. If they have oil, they have oil, not on the American business.
So you have a seven-emirate solution? Seven-emirate solution. What I want is to emulate the system of the Gulf. Because look, it's our world.
It's more or less the same culture. If you go along the culture, with the culture, and you build a state based on the culture of clanism, the state is stable, normal, good for the people. It's not democracy, because they don't believe in democracy. But they believe in, we control ourselves.
So since every clan consoles itself, it's legitimate. And they work together with each other. And they, for the common good of everybody. If you create a state with many clans, many groups, which don't get married with each other, which don't meet with each other, you don't name them.
Like Syria, like Iraq, and the Blunbeth. So therefore, if you establish a Palestinian state with all the clans together, all the cities together, only a matter of time until it becomes something like Syria or Iraq. While if you establish in every city, emulate based on the local clans, you get Dubai, you get Abu Dhabi, you get Kuwait. And this is what I advocate for years already.
And those who understand this idea, they support it. Well, I read about it. I found it fascinating, a bit troubling, because as a universalist, you always want to export democracy, individualism, freedom, and ownership rights to everyone in the world. But we all call universal values.
Yes. Yes, but let me give you a news. What we deem as universal, or universal values, are accepted by more or less 20% of humanity. Yes, they are not accepted in China.
They are not accepted in India. They are not accepted in Japan, in most cases, but they have their own resistance. It's not accepted in Russia. It's not accepted in many parts of Europe.
But we call universal values more or less Western Europe, North America, Australia, New Zealand, and that's all. Which is more or less 20% of humanity. So it's not so universal. So you think we should stop as the West does to promote what's the word?
Well, we can say promote. I was going to say to do missionary service. Polyphonic. Yes.
Yes, exactly. That word. Proxilatize. Proxilatize.
Proxilatize something from the religious discourse. But what I'm saying is you can work on exporting democracy. It's OK, but don't forget that we deem as democracy actually is in contrast to what many nations believe. Let me give you a photo of the Islamic side.
Democracy is human rights. Women's rights, freedom of women, means to do whatever they like, with whoever they like, whenever they like. Freedom of gays and lesbians, freedom of speech, freedom of criticism, freedom of religion, freedom of formalism, and elections. OK, let's assume these are the values of democracy.
OK, except for elections, everything is unacceptable in Islamic societies. You cannot accept any freedom of women to do whatever they like, with whoever they like, whenever they like. Unacceptable, totally unacceptable in Islam. Gays and lesbians to get it.
Freedom of formal religion, if you are a Muslim and you live in Islamic environment, and you are now living Islam, in most cases you will, your head will leave your body. OK, so what I mean is that the core components of democracy are totally unacceptable in Islamic societies, and this is what there is, and why there is not even one democratic country which is Islamic. Yes, but a Western critic might say to you in that case, well, Christianity was the same not long ago. They didn't allow gays or lesbians, they didn't have freedom of speech, they didn't left women, vote or own things, but they changed.
OK, so let's wait, when Islam will change, look, don't forget that Islam today is in its 15th century, 15th century. How did Europe look like in the 15th century? Like 500? It wasn't a pride parade.
No, no, no. And how many Hoggi-nots were slaughtered by Catholics in France a few hundred years ago? OK, only because they were not Catholics. OK, so Europe had also some errors of extremism based on religion.
OK, Europe got older with the years. Islam is still young, only 15th century. So, OK, we wait 500 years and we'll see. So we'll do what parents do to teenagers, we'll just shut them into their rooms and wait until they grow up.
Look, you can give them the opportunity to say, guys, you can, if you want to change, change yourself, but don't expect us to accept you when you are still doing what you do. I also read, I heard about your eight-state solution, which includes Gaza. You were originally planning to give them an emirate, but since then, since October 7th, you've changed. As long as Hamas were controlling Gaza, I went with the situation.
Gaza should, according to what I advocated for many years, Gaza should be detailed really, not virtually, but really be detailed. And Hamas should be contained if they want to have a state, that they have a state, as long as they don't threaten us, as long as they cannot endanger the existence of Islam, as we saw on October 7th. Yes, Gaza was controlled very well by Hamas for 16 and a half years. However, now there is no Hamas.
Let's hope that the Hamas are not being left by Islam. And therefore, now we can divide or accept the administrative division of Gaza to five parts, because Gaza is divided for many years already, to have many legislative areas. And we actually can accept this division and to establish five emirates in Egypt, everyone of these districts. So now we have 12 emirates on the borders of Israel.
It's okay. As long as they are stable, as long as they do what they have to do, and they don't do what they don't have to do, live peacefully within themselves and with us, the number doesn't make any difference. I also heard you talk about on your YouTube channel, the Qatari solution is what I'd like to call it. Yes.
And this is actually what should have been done if the world would think in a normal way. Qatar is responsible for the happening Gaza. No doubt. Qatar is the country which funded Hamas for many years, and Qatar should bear the consequences of what Qatar did.
Now, Qatar is no problem to take almost 2 million people from Gaza. Absolutely no problem. First of all, they have the whole fleet of airplanes in the Qatar airplane company. They have 269 airplanes.
Average capacity, 300 passengers. It will take them one week to move all Gaza to Qatar easily. Well, that's one and a half million people. Calculated to 269 airplanes, every airplane will take something like 7,500 people, divided to 300 in each flight.
It means that they have to make every plane 25 flights, 35 flights of 2 and a half hours. You can have five flights per day of every airplane. Means that within a week, the whole problem of Gaza is solved. But not for the Qataris.
No, first of all, they have many dormitories which they built for the World Cup, which they had two years ago. And these dormitories are empty. They can host the Gazans in no time. Secondly, they have many hotels in Qatar.
Thirdly, for those who will not find place in the dormitories and the hotels, the Qataris who have gazillions of dollars can build for them very easily and very quickly. Housing, factories, malls, whatever they need in order to absorb them, and to solve the problem of Gaza, which they created, if not only funded for many years. However, I'm not sure that the world will call Qatar to order, as the world should do, because as much as I suspect, Qatar actually paid too many people, in order not to have any demand from Qatar in the future. And these people are afraid that Qatar will reveal who received Qatar money or who did not.
Just to give you an example, there was a Greek lady who used to work for the European Union. And she actually prevented any discussion of the human rights violations in Qatar when thousands of workers who worked to prepare Qatar for the World Cup in 2022 died. On the job in Qatar because of the heat in that place. So she didn't allow, she didn't enable any discussion in the European Union institutions.
And the police started to sniff around and they burst it into her home in Greece. And they found boxes of left money, which she got from Qatar in order to make sure that nobody discusses the human rights violations in Qatar. Okay, I'm afraid that, look, it is well known that Qatar is one of the donors of the Clinton Foundation in the United States. Qatar poured billions of dollars on American universities.
So many students and many people today are in the government. Oh, Qatar, their degree, because they studied on the expense of Qatar. So this is how Qatar actually paralyzes the world from criticizing Qatar and from coming with all kinds of demands, like to solve the problem of Gaza, which they can within a week. But the world will not pressure Qatar to take in.
Unfortunately. But and Qatar wasn't alone in financing and training Hamas. I mean, Qatar was the main source of money for Hamas. Israel enabled it because part of the Israeli failure was the conception that the Hamas are contained and and deterred.
This might be allowed Qatar to bring the money to because we don't give the money. We just enabled it all allowed by the way, they would do it even without this response and they could do it through bank transfer through the wire to the swift. So they didn't really need Israel to agree for this. But and they did and it was Qatar in money, which funded Hamas.
And this one, Qatar should be viewed as the responsible for the destruction of Gaza and for rebuilding the life of the Gaza's in Qatar. I understand. But what about Iran? Is there another problem?
Iran is a country which actually spread many organizations, all over the Middle East, especially in failing states like Lebanon, like Syria, Iran, Yemen and Gaza, which was controlled by Iran. And Iran actually did it not by recruiting states, but by implanting organizations like Hezbollah. Why is this different? States are bound by the international law.
States are subject to international sanctions, like from the Security Council, from human rights council, all kinds of all the judicial forms in Haq in Lahey. Why organizations are free to do whatever they like. So this why we have a party in Lebanon, the Hezbollah, who owns the media 150,000 missiles. Would you agree to let's say any party in Europe will have missiles in order to convince the people that they are right?
No, I don't think I would. But in the Arab world, it is accepted. Not only this, there are European countries which work with Hezbollah on civil projects. After all, Hezbollah is not only a total organization.
It has a sellout from a company. It has shares in the airspace company of the Middle East Airlines. They have in shows company, they have construction company. The biggest construction company in Lebanon is Jihad, the binat, means the Jihad of construction for them.
This also part of the Jihad. So European countries cooperate with this company, because this is a legal company. This is an airline company. This is a construction company.
What's wrong with this? But they all belong to Hezbollah, to a total organization. And the West Side of the world? But the Europeans do not see the total side.
They see only the one side which they like. Okay, so this is how money came to terrorism in Lebanon and destroy Lebanon, because they are destroyed. Yeah, it's a failed state. Fade state?
Because the Europeans, part of the basis of the Europeans will go up like it. With Hezbollah which destroyed Lebanon. Would the Europeans say about this? Nothing.
We don't have much clout anymore, politically speaking. Okay, so this is the problem. That too many people in the world cooperate with terrorism. Now who's behind the whole thing?
Hamas and Qizmallah? Iran. And unfortunately there are countries which still see Iran as a legitimate player on the international line. While every other channel is fighting for your customers' attention, podcasts are where they've already given it.
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The civilized world cannot accept. Why do you think the American response to Iranian aggression is so weak? Because they're not attacking just as well. I'm not the next one about America.
But I think that the Americans always hope that something good will come out of these thugs in Iran. And that's why they negotiate with them for many years. And they know that they are cheated. The Americans know that the Iranians are cheating.
Time and again, in everything which they were talking about. And the only thing which can change the Iranian behavior is only a credible threat. A real threat of destruction. This is the only thing which convinces them to change their behavior.
The only thing. But unfortunately, the world, especially in the United States, are not willing to pose any threat on Iran. Because if they don't do what they are asked, so what? You're going to open a war against Iran.
You know, the world is not so happy to have war wars in the Middle East after the failures of Afghanistan, failures of Iraq, and many others. So the world says, meanwhile, let them do whatever they like. We'll solve the problem tomorrow if we have any problem there. Well, Appeasement policy hasn't worked historically.
I mean, usually it just leads to a higher bill that you have to pay later. Definitely. But every president shoves the ball, the court of the next one. Let him deal with this.
I don't want to mess with this. I want to finish my time. Let me go home to like my memoir. Written in the United States, I recently said that they are prepared to unilaterally acknowledge the Palestinian state.
Well, let me tell you what happened to happen in this Palestinian state. One day we will be informed that there is a democratic party in the Palestinian state. The party will be called Democracy and Development, for example. And this will be Hamas, just like in Turkey, Erdogan's party, which is Islamic, most of the party, is called Justice and Development, who is against Justice and Development.
Okay, so there will be called Democracy and Human Rights. Party. Are you against it? Nobody is against it.
But there actually will be Hamas. And they will run and we win. By the way, they already won in 2006. The majority of the seats of the PA legislative council are occupied by Hamas since January 2006.
It can happen again, because something which happened already can happen again and again and again and this way by democratic means the Palestinian state, which America and Britain recognize actually will turn to be an al-Hamistan. And will they come here or send their troops to you to get rid of Hamas and other times after we got rid of them in Gaza? I don't think so. So this is why these people don't understand that the consequences of their decision will be devastated from the state of Israel.
Apparently they don't care. I don't have any other explanation. They don't care about Israel. And let me tell you, if Israel falls under the Islamic pressure, which is maintained by Iran, by the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas and all the other proxies of Iran, they will be in Europe in no time.
Because they will be taken very easily to Italy, to Greece and from there, all the way to Europe. And that plant decosion is not wide enough to keep an American way from this problem which will be in Europe, because there will be so much encouraged by the fact that they succeeded to defeat Israel, that will take Europe in no time, in no time. Well, I think it was Gaddafi who said the Europeans are stupid. We can take Europe without firing a single bullet.
Yeah, by both right. Yes. And okay, so but look, they are now significant minority in many European countries, Sweden included. If they burst the streets to burn everything and to destroy everything, who will fight them?
Well, I'll tell you, because we recently had a series of Quran burnings in Sweden. And that led to riots in migrant areas and our police retreated. Many were hurt. Okay, it can happen in Germany as well, could happen in France.
And actually it is happening in France, because once in a while we have riots in the States, it never would like send something in, about this, the Islamic neighborhoods of Paris. We saw in Marseilles, we saw it in Lyon, and yes, these people, since they came to Europe, they feel that Europe is their home founded. They don't think about going back to their home countries, because this is the home end. They came to stay and they came to change.
Well, as you probably know, Sweden took in quite a lot of immigrants. We have been taking in a lot of immigrants for decades now, but since 2015, the Syrian migration crisis or whatever you'd like to call it. I wish Sweden good luck. What do you think will happen?
Look, if you take the birthright of the Swedes versus the birthright of the migrants, it is something which you can calculate when they will be majority. Pure research did. Worst case scenario, they will be a 30% of the country by 20, 50 or 20, 30. I don't remember, but it's one of those.
If migration stops. Or by birthright. Yes. I'm not sure that migration has stopped.
No, it hasn't. It will be before 2050, because of migration plus high birthright. And then what will happen, Sweden? Well, maybe the name of the country will be changed, or Sweden's.
Sweden is done, it will be called. Al-Sued? And then maybe the flag will be changed with the crescent, maybe the language will be changed, all kinds of things can be changed. Well, our flag has a cross on it.
This white will be different, because they don't like the course so much. I've come to understand that. Nor do they like the Star of David. Definitely.
So you read a lot of Arab news, I suppose, and you know more about people in Judea and Samaria, the West Bank, as it's called in Europe, and Gaza, and most people do. What's their impression of what happened on October 7th? Because of what most of them supported. Do you mean in Gaza and the West Bank or wider in the Arab world?
Why not? Why not? Many arms supported because in their view, Israel has no right to exist. And men are soldiers, so they can be slaughtered, although they are not serving now, but they will.
Or did. Women are the mothers of soldiers, so they should be slaughtered as well. And all women are the grandmothers of soldiers. Children will go up to be soldiers.
So all the Islamic society is actually a military society. So you can slaughter them all. So for them, the fact that the girls were slaughtered, raped in New Gaza on October 7th, it's okay. Why do you occupy Islamic country like Palestine?
Go away from where you came from? To Poland, to Morocco, wherever you came. And then you are there. Yes, they blame us for what happened.
Because we shouldn't be here. They don't agree that this was our land. You know, in the first example, second example, they don't recognize the Jewish history. By the way, they don't think that the Bani Israel, the sons of the Islamic, who are mentioned in the Quran, are the actual Jews of today.
Because of those Bani Israel vanished. This is a mythologic nation which once existed while the Jews of today are converts from the 15th century, from Quzar. This is what they think. So since we don't have any connection with the Israelites, we don't have a connection with the Lamb of Israel.
But the Qasori theory about where Jews come from, that's a pretty recent theory, isn't it? Well, many theories grew up since the Zionism started and established the Theta of Israel. Now it's a theory which says that the whole Bible, is something which was also by the Zionists after 1948 in order to justify the existence of the Theta of the Set of the Physician. I heard that I heard the Bible was written in 1948.
What is all the translations of the Bible to the Latin, from the Volgata, from the 1st century CE to Greece, to the Greek, in the 3rd century BCE to English, many translations, I believe Swedish also. So all the music, compositions like the Messiah of Handel, which includes verses from the Bible, were these all also written by the Zionists after 1948. Okay, such stupid things which they believe in. But people are talking about this.
And now it's very hard to convince them, because this is what they read in their social media. This is what they read in all kinds of books which they publish. They believe that the particles of the Elders of Zion is a book, a real particle of meetings of Jews. They don't believe that this look, many actually believe in the, my God, my God, my God, my God.
It was found in Gaza, many copies. Their worldview is totally against Israel, against Jews, against the mere existence of the Set of Israel. And with the money, which they have, they disseminate all this propaganda all over the world. And the West as well, needs to form in their view.
No, not only this. Look, the biggest life of the 20th century, the existence of the Palestinian nation. This nation was not mentioned anywhere before the 20th century. Well, it's a KGB invention from 1964.
One of the things, yes. Even until today, many of the Palestinians, killing names like Al-Massalim, means the Egyptian, Al-Horani, the Horani in Syria, Tarrabuilse from people in Lebanon, Sidawi from Sidon, Al-Hijazi, from the Hijans in Saudi Arabia, Fa'yumi from places in Fa'yumi in Egypt, many of them carried these names until this very day, and they claimed they are Palestinians. Well, if you deny archeology, then you might as well deny it. Well, archeology was invented by the Zionist.
I was afraid of that. Yeah, of course. They don't believe in anything. And Jews, if they were here, they were like Bedways, came and went, didn't do anything.
They didn't leave anything in this country. That's what they believe in. They are immediately disseminating these ideas without any problem. Since I have you, I know you're not an expert on American, but you are queued in to the Iranian problem, and they are friends with Russia and China.
If we elevate our thinking to the global level, what do you think will happen now? Well, if you look at the global arena, you can see that there are two coalitions. After we had the two coalitions in the Cold War between the West and the East, now we have more than the same thing. We have the West, like NATO, United States, Canada, Australia, the West.
And we have Russia, as it was the center of those times, Iran, China, North Korea, South Africa, Venezuela, Brazil now under London. This is an alliance which replaced the Soviet Pact. They were so bad. They were so bad.
And now if they have each other, Iran supports Russia and its war against Ukraine. China supports Russia. It's the same, not the same, not the Korean supports. So they are actually in real alliance, a bloc against the Western bloc.
In my humble view, the Western bloc is actually weaker. Because the Western bloc are democratic countries, democratic countries usually do not like any war. They try to hash down all the problems, to work with people rather than fight with them. While the others, Russia, has no problem with the way of war either against the Ukraine, they actually devastated Aleppo and parts of Syria, because there is a sense that they supported Assad.
Iran has no problem to undermine the regimes in Iraq, in Syria, in Lebanon, in all these failing states. China spreads its hegemony over the South China Sea, North Korea is well known. So this country is concurless about human rights, about any kind of values with the West believes it. They are about money, government, and stability.
They don't care about human rights, women's rights. There are lesbians, all these things which are, of course, corners of Westernism are totally rejected in this packet of countries. And in my humble view, the future belongs to the Eastern bloc. Means Russia, China, Iran, and because they are functioning states, while in Europe borders are not borders, and people are not defined anymore, because nationalism is a bad word.
And we gave up on the states, politicians gave up on the interests of the states by allowing the invasion of the 21st century to Europe, in this invasion, in the United States, losing its self-confidence, it losing its belief in its way. Because people in the United States consider the United States to be a very bad country, which devastated the right Indians, means the legitimacy of the United States is undermined to the Indian United States. The United States supports all kinds of facts like Israel, or like Mubarak, and formerly now, Sisi, Israel, and the United States is devastating. Other economies, the South American economy, all kinds of these things which you hear from the woke in America, and actually Americans, many Americans, actually don't believe that America is a good country anymore.
So, why fight for this? Why do you put it on board? And this is a very dangerous development, because the American belief in itself, in the right way of America, actually, is being deteriorating. And when people do not believe that the country is a good country, so people do not try not to pay taxes or why support such country, which is all the country, like our country, the United States, and this is what the woke today.
And it could lead America to destruction, division to states, or, you know, there are books about the why empires fall, for example. And in my humble view, the United States today is on the way to fall, while the other side of the world, China and its friends, actually on the rise, that taking over Europe, gave up on your Europeanism. The Swedes care about being Sweden. Not really.
The French, the holidays, in the Netherlands. Well, the Netherlands just elected the first world, builders, so maybe there's a resurgence soon. Will they make more babies? I don't think so.
And this is actually the burning point, because any society which doesn't reproduce itself, walks very proudly into the museum. It can happen in generation one, two, three generations, and the others, they might be on self-patients. There is a verse in the Quran which says that in Allah, Allah, is with those who have patience, and they have a lot of patience. So we should just give up?
No, what I'm saying is that you have to open your eyes, your open eyes, and start getting your act together. Look at the Poland, look in the Czech Republic, look in Hungary. They don't accept any migrants. And they survive, and they will survive.
Western Europe will not survive. In 30 years, 40 years, 50 years. If we want our children to live in normal countries, we have to start working now. If it's not late.
In some places it might be too late. But you know, which places? I think France is going. When you go in, no, a few years ago, I took a tour in Paris, and I visited the Islamic neighborhoods.
Barbese, Saint Santini. But the Champs-Élysères was a normal place. Today, what I heard recently, the Champs-Élysères also looks like Saint Santini. So if the Champs-Élysères looked like a cos-bout of the numbers.
So what do you mean for France? Where is France? So this is what I mean with them. Look, if you walk in Brussels, I also visited the Mollambique recently.
Yeah. This is like every Middle East one down, with the same look, the same kind of pace of life. And it spreads. I think 40% of the Brussels area are migrants.
Look, in the Netherlands, 70% of the population in the Northern area are migrants. There are towns in Britain, well, run by Sha'al, already. Not few. So when you see all these things, and I'm talking about facts, I'm talking about something which will be in the future.
I'm talking about what happens today. So the question is, where is your going? Now, if you calculate the rates of birth, you can calculate easily. If that's a, the migration would be zero.
That's a normal population, I mean. What would be the local population? When will they be 30%, 40%, 50%, 60%? You can calculate it very easily, because you see the lines, the increasing line of the migrants, and the decreasing line of the locals.
So let's say the Western European countries stop migration today, and they start converting their Muslim minority populations to democracy. Gay rights, freedom of speech, freedom of criticism. And do you think that would work? First of all, it all works, because many of the migrants become culturally absorbed.
They drink whatever comes to the glass, and they eat whatever comes into the plate. They are liberated. Look, the biggest example is a lady named Rashida Dati. We came from a Muslim home, and she actually served as the Minister of Justice in France.
I think it was in the days of Sarkozy. If I'm not mistaken, I'm not sure about this. She served under Sarkozy, I think, as the Minister of Justice. She was a very good lawyer, very broke.
Her nomination was accepted by everyone, because she was professional. She was not married. And one day when she was a Minister, what would you say that she is pregnant? Now, in France, this is not an issue, because it's not your business.
It's not your business. If a lady is pregnant or not, it's her business. That's all. Or maybe her friend.
That's all. But Muslims, in France, started to talk about this. How come she unmarried? Muslim is pregnant without marriage.
So she said, it's not your business. I'm French, totally French. And they have to accept it. Not because they loved it, but she is French.
And in France, it's okay. It's acceptable. Ladies and men like Rashida Dati have absolutely no problem. They are not a problem, and they will not cause a problem, because they are fully integrated into the society, into the culture of the European nation, which they live in.
And these migrants who are integrated culturally are blessed. The problem is that not everybody is integrated culturally. There is a whole array of, to what extent people are integrated. Let's say, Ashida is fully integrated, but there are people who are fully against integration.
And these too many are theirs. Too many. And this is important. Not those migrants who are integrated, but those who refuse to integrate, culturally, religiously.
And they are the one of the migrants. And usually the police are coming from that side of the array. So what you're seeing is basically, if Western European countries stood up for their values and didn't back down from them, they would at least see who among the migrants. They could control.
Let's say, some of the crimes, it gets a five-year visa, temporary visa. After five years, you can see what the men is doing. Where is Chidun going? How is his wife's best?
How he behaves? Does he have a five in the police or not? What kind of work he is? Did he study?
Does he speak the language? You can have, let's say, to interview him. And to see if the men is integrated or not, those who are not integrated, can go back to their home, which they might feel much better than. Because they refuse to integrate into the Swedish or whatever society in Europe.
This might be the way which migration should have been dealt with in order to prevent a situation where you import a significant number of people who do not become Swedish, French, British or whatever. And this is the, and this maybe can be done, directly, I don't know, because those were all the citizens, it is a problem to send them away. Yes, it is. It is against European values.
It's against the law. Yes, that too. Which is the way. But those who are not yet citizens could get, let's say, temporary visa.
To stay here, you can study, you can work, it's okay. If you have, after five years, you have to see how integrated you are. If you are integrated in this, this is the criteria. You can stay, if not, thank you so much.
I see. And I want to thank you so much, sir. Thank you so much. We have to study this culture of Islam.
You cannot look at it as something which, okay, this is a religion, just like Christianity, just like Judaism, no. Islam is a culture way much wider than religion only, because we, in the West, we divided state and church. Church is only the religion and everything else, economy is, in the States, the public sphere is like the same French, secular, the traditional religion. Remind around to Caesar.
Right. While in Islam, it's a holistic culture. It's religion, economy, public life, political life, everything is under the umbrella of Islam. You cannot divide religion from other aspects of Islam's life.
And that's why it is so helpful. You can understand, because they feel that they feel that they feel them. Okay, let them be Muslims. It's okay as long as they are Swedish or French or British.