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EPISODE · Mar 13, 2026 · 1H 1M

On revolutions and responsibility: interview with Jorge Chapa

from Changemakers’ Handbook with Elena Bondareva · host Elena Bondareva and Joch

This week, I went LIVE with Jorge Chapa (Joch) — Chief Impact Officer at the Green Building Council of Australia and someone I had the privilege of working alongside in the early days of the green building movement.We met during his interview for a role that would change both of our careers. Shortly afterward, our boss, Michelle Malanca Frey, left the organization. Suddenly we were building something together — neither of us particularly experienced at working alongside other high-performing people like ourselves, both migrants trying to transform an industry in an adopted country.Two decades later, we returned to that moment.Not nostalgically. But honestly.The conversation is about revolution, responsibility, and the harder work of transformation.If you press play above, you’ll hear the full conversation.Changemakers’ Handbook is an audience-supported publication focused on professionalizing changemaking in a post-solutions world. Consider subscribing to join future live conversations and to access all posts.Thank you, Krsna PROUT Domine, Susan Kain, Larry Riggs, Philip Buxton, and all others for joining live! All, join me for my next live video in the app. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit changemakershandbook.substack.com/subscribe

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