People AND Profit with Erin Cooper

The messy middle of leadership is real.In this episode of the AND Podcast, April and Ivy sit down with Erin Cooper to talk about one of the hardest and least discussed stages of leadership: middle management.When you’re leading people, driving results, and operating inside systems you didn’t design, clarity isn’t always guaranteed. Erin shares what it really looks like to thrive in that space while holding the tension between people and profit, navigating doubt, and continuing to move forward even when things feel shaky.From stepping into leadership unexpectedly to taking one uncomfortable step at a time, this conversation is for anyone leading from the middle and figuring it out… anyways.