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To drop these value bombs, I brought Dr. John J. Wish into EO Fire Studios. John, who's a PhD, has spent years researching and developing improved approaches to health.
He is the inventor of the most effective bone density building medical technology, which is now part of the Tony Robbins and Osteo Strong for rapid clinical deployments. His methods are used in training the world's most elite athletes and associations, such as the entire Miami Heat organization, various NFL and NBA players, as well as Olympians. And today, Fire Nation, we're going to talk about physical disasters. We're going to talk about why everybody, or almost everybody, fails at fitness.
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Listen to Success Story wherever you get your podcasts. Dr. Jake Wish, say what's up to Fire Nation, and share something that you believe about becoming successful that most people disagree with. Hey, good morning, Fire Nation.
Something that, okay, something I disagree with that I feel like is push on everybody who wants to be an entrepreneur or a leader, the idea that anybody's going to be able to do this. Like, I worked with Tony Robbins for a number of years, and this is right in his wheelhouse, and one day I was sitting with him, we were having a drink, and it was like, I said, how many people do you think you really get through, too? Like, at new shows. Because, you know, folks in case, he has no way, I just really tell him.
How many people really, like, turn their life on? He says, maybe one or two percent. And I said, no kidding. And he said, oh, yeah, I'm really listening about this.
He says, most people, they get charged up by listening, and they have all the right information, and they're so grateful to have all the right information, but they're just not willing to do it. And I have realized the same thing every time I get asked to speak about making sacrifices that it takes to really, let's say, launch up a product that's never been seen by the world, a complete industry disruptive technology. I've done that twice now. And it's, you know, I say I had to not pay myself anything for seven years, and I worked 60 hours a week.
You know, people just look at me and go, whoa, I mean, like, I would never do that. And I'm like, right, you're probably right, like, you wouldn't. And so I think that being realistic about who's actually going to pull the trigger on doing what it takes, that number's very small. So, Fire Nation, I hope you realize that the power of what we're talking about here today, which is personifying high performance in all aspects of your life with your physical condition, guess what?
We're not under the illusion that 99% of people that listen to this content are going to take the direct and amazing action and advice that Dr. Jake wishes to be talking about here today. But you know what? We're going to get across 1%, we're going to get across 2%, and hey, when you have 128 million total listens of your podcast and 2.5 million plus listens every single month, that's actually, those start to be real numbers.
I mean, 20, Robbins is 10, 20, 30,000 people that are in those stadiums that you were talking about. I mean, I've heard of those stadiums. So those numbers are meaningful, and they can compound over time. But I think it is really important to just have that realism.
So I'm really glad you brought that up, because like I mentioned, Fire Nation, we are talking about personifying high performance in all aspects of life with your physical conditioning. So think about this. So unfortunately, when you look like a physical disaster, Dr. Jake, which people believe is a reflection of your business.
Can you talk about that? Yeah, there's quite a bit of data, and this came out mostly in the 90s, where social psychologists were looking at, behavioral psychologists were looking at things that helped people do better in their business life and their professional life. And being attractive was one of the highest things on the list. State it a different way, being in good shape, like ultimately attraction boils down to how long somebody looks like they're going to live.
I know that's very strange, because you think about attraction, and you think, you know, what am I attracted to? Whether it's, you know, I'm just thinking, you know, it's the opposite sex. Like, is it breasts, or is it eye makeup, or what catches my eye? It's not like that.
It's more like people that look healthy are more easily trusted. Like, they don't look like they're going to fall apart. And unfortunately, as the statistics show us, when you're a physical disaster, people don't trust you. They think you have maybe no self-control, or you're not going to follow through.
Like, I mean, somebody who's overweight, one may end up thinking, well, this guy can't even control what he puts in his mouth. How's he going to handle me as a client? See, Fire Nation, what I love about this is the reality that you have control over this type of perception, because if you're not where you want to be physically right now, that's what you can get there. You can do what it needs to take to get to a place where you look good, where you feel good, and that'll be a reflection of you.
And I said this to a lot of people, Dr. Tank, which I'm kind of curious about your thoughts on this, because people kind of look at me funny, like, oh, you can't say that, or you can't really think that way. They almost make it seem like I'm discriminating in a non-acceptable way when I say, I will never vote for a fat person. And I literally say those words all the time.
Like, I forget the exact name of that guy. Who's that guy that was the governor of New Jersey forever? Chris Christie. Chris Christie, so obese.
He was like this wonder king in the political world. And this guy could barely, like, waddle down the street. And I'm like, I can never, ever vote for a person like that, because that person can't even take care of himself. How can I ever expect him to take care of me and take care of his constituents when this guy can't even take care of himself?
Why is he so popular? Why did he get elected? Well, he's an exception. And he was a very charismatic person.
And I think if you listened to him long enough, he might have won you over. You would not have won me over. I would have been like, you're still fat. Yeah, it's just, you know, you don't take care of yourself, man.
It's like, how do we know you're going to live through your term, right? And so, uh, it's just, it's an important thing. If you got to keep yourself healthy, you got to be more trustable. And it's not trust as in, they think you're lying.
It's trust as in, is this guy going to be around? Like, is he going to get sick? Why? But actually, is there something too that comes up where, like, I think you obviously probably know the percentage better, but like something along the lines of like 60% of people are overweight, over 35% of people are obese, at least in America.
75% of males are either overweight or obese. Okay, so that's insane right now. So think about that. So I'm wondering, like, if you're obese or overweight, like, are you, in a sense, voting for Governor Christie, Chris Christie, because you're like, okay, well, I'm fat and he's fat and he can do it.
So I kind of like that. They kind of doing it or being like, well, I'm actually going to support somebody who is, you know, has the same kind of physical disaster-ness that I have. It actually doesn't work that way. That's good to hear.
We learned this through the Curbs experience. A lot of studies were done on the franchise Curbs. It was a fitness franchise in the 90s, and I think it's 100% gone now. But it was a ladies-only gym, and so the idea is it's not going to be intimidating for women because men aren't allowed in the building.
But what was really funny is people who would sign up for Curbs, and it wasn't very good exercise equipment, but the reason they didn't allow guys in there, and they decided only women was because the fitness equipment was just junk. Like, I mean, like lawn furniture, kind of like, with no resistance. You just sort of move a little bit. But typically, when somebody signed up there and they lost weight, like, the weight loss had nothing to do with what was going on.
It probably had to do with their, you know, nutrition control. But when they lost weight, they would quit and go join a normal gym because even heavy people don't want to work out with heavy people. Like, they discriminate against each other. So there's almost no getting away from it.
Like, if you really want to be successful, you've got to look like success is in all aspects of your life. Now, see, I personally am really glad to hear that because I think that's the kind of mentality that we just have to have across the board because if that happens, then there will be this actually good social pressure to, let's get more healthy. Just like, you know, it used to be unbelievably socially acceptable to smoke. In fact, you would have some social pressure if you weren't smoking.
Like, oh, come on, just have a bottle. I mean, this is, of course, decades, decades, you know. Hey, drinking is still like that. It is so like that.
Like, right now, I'm on a hundred-day. This is a personal solo challenge where I'm doing no refined sugar and no white flour. And, of course, that means I'm not drinking any alcohol for a hundred days, which is totally fine with me. Like, I've done this more for a long time.
But, man, just, John, just have a glass of wine tonight. Like, what's going to be the harm? I'm like, well, number one, it would break my hundred-day challenge, which I'm not going to do for one glass of wine. Number two, I wear the Oura ring every night.
I know how much one glass of wine not just disrupts, but literally destroys a good night's sleep. Alcohol destroys your sleep. It destroys. If you need better sleep, that's a news for you.
You just cut the booze out. Cut the booze out, baby. Cut the booze. The deep sleep, the REM sleep, it just literally goes away.
Especially the deep sleep, it completely goes away. And I track this up every single day. My HRV, heart rate variability goes way down. It's just not nearly as where I want it to be.
But I want to keep moving because there's so many great things I want to talk about. But let's talk about why everybody's failing. I mean, 75% of males are obese or overweight. Why is everybody failing in fitness?
This is one of my, I have a couple of life missions. I got started in life sciences by developing a medical device between osteoporosis. But my thing now is, why do we fall back on standard fitness when it has failed 99.9% of people? Like, probably 9 out of 10 or 19 out of 20 people that you know that habitually go to the gym, you know, whatever it is, three times a week, and have done so for years.
They don't look any different than the day they signed up. True? True. So really what we have is outliers.
Now, so very few select people get into the gym. And everybody else just basically stays skinny if they were skinny and doesn't put on any muscle, or fat if they were fat and still doesn't put on any muscle. And it's just sort of mind-blowing because people still go back to sort of the fitness basics that keep on failing us. Now, I wrote in my latest book, weightlifting is a waste of time, and so is cardio.
So you look at the different things that my cardiovascular exercise does work. It's exactly the opposite of what we do. Cardiovascular exercise protects your body back, as in it's going to make your body stay as fat as possible, as long as possible. And if you think about it, that makes sense.
If you want to turn your body into an endurance machine, well, then it wants to preserve the storage. It wants a bigger backup gas tank. And then the other thing that happens when you do cardio is you lose muscle. So typically when people get involved in cardiovascular program, cardiovascular training, endurance training, I'm not talking about high-intensity intervals.
That's very different. Like sustained, long cardio. The other thing, as you're operating and regulating cortisol, is you're losing muscle. You're losing muscle and you're preserving body fat, which creates a body that is often referred to as skinny fat.
So very little muscle, but a lot of sort of cellulite, flat, and loose skin. Totally the opposite of what people want, yet people are lining up to get on treadmills every single day. When it comes to weight training, most people have a tendon layout in their body that does not allow them to grow from lifting weights. Now I say most, I've got a study, but so 23% of people have no ability to grow muscle at all when they're much weight.
That was a pectoral about 2005. Really good study. And that's what triggered me to go, let me look at the reasons why people fail. Instead of looking at who succeeds and trying to emulate that, then you realize that people who succeed are all genetic outliers because when you compare the two groups.
Now I'm going to describe like the pectoral insertion, the middle of your chest, the sternum. So that's where your pectoral muscle starts. It goes across your chest, one direction or the other, depending on what you're talking about, right or left. And then it typically attaches at the beginning of the humerus bone, the upper arm bone.
So at the very top of the shoulder joint is, that's where that tendon is inserted. However, a fraction of 1% has it attached further down the humerus bone, sometimes even at the other end. What does that mean? That means some people have a lever inside of their body to give them leverage on the weight they're lifting by activating more of the muscle.
But this is a very small percentage of people. Mike Tyson has that mutation. So he can punch someone who's three inches away from his face, and he has access to almost full power. And if you know that and you watch him box, he ducks.
He actually almost like crab walks without using his hands underneath the guy's, his opponent's striking zone, and gets right up in the guy's face. Hits him when he's three inches away and knocks him off. And it only took Mike's coach, I think, one minute of watching him, and he says, that guy will be the best boxer the world has ever seen. Because he recognized the genetic difference.
Now whether he could articulate it like I just did or not, probably not. It's not his field. But there are just people with these genetic outlier tendon layouts, and typically they become the NFL players. They become the stronger people in the world.
Now, does that mean that the rest of us should do what they're doing? No, because we don't have that genetic layout. However, if you look at how they load the body, because of the lever they have, they have variable resistance inside of their own body. The long tendon is also elastic.
So there's like something elastic inside the body that's offloading the weaker range of motion and then allowing them to handle the real weight in the stronger range of motion. Now, how can humans bypass this? Any single person with regular genetics like me, who, like, I spent 20 years lifting weights, I may be gained five pounds of muscle. Like, basically, what put more muscle and weight on you is like puberty.
Like, you started lifting weights very early in high school. Like, the reason I wanted my learner's permit on my motorcycle license was to go to the gym. Like, I didn't really care about anything else. I didn't saw my friend playing.
It was like, I just wanted to go to the gym. And so 20 years of weightlifting, I was lean. I had that part figured out. But I was just very, like, at the end of high school, I weighed 130 pounds.
And I was 60 tall. So that's not, you know, that's really skinny. And once I figured this out about 10 of the ligaments and started doing a literature review on variable resistance, then it all started making sense. Because variable resistance studies show tremendous muscle weight.
And I thought, well, what I really need to do is create a variable resistance product. And so after I launched my medical device, and that's now all over the world. OsteoStrong clinics are in about 10 different countries, 160 different clinics. So after that was launched and was well on its way, then I launched the X3, which really allows anybody to sort of grow all the muscle they ever want.
And then, of course, muscle is a metabolic engine, which will then make you leaner. Because that metabolic engine is running all the time. So this is all really fascinating to me, and Fire Nation, like, I hope you kind of go back and listen to this a couple times. Because it kind of makes you open up as to some of the things that, you know, may have been holding you back from doing what you need to do in the weight room for all these years.
And a quick side note that's on topic, though. Holy crap, I just got done watching the Mike Tyson. documentary on Hulu it's called Mike and I'll tell you Dr. Jake Wish if you have not seen that it is so fantastically done it's a docudrama is it a new one or is it the one that came out in 2009 it's brand new it's a docudrama so the character that plays Mike Tyson I think this guy is one of the best actors I have ever ever seen he is so fantastic I mean it's literally next level this thing is entertaining but it is so interesting you really kind of closed the loop for me that was open since that documentary I just watched it a few days ago this is a new documentary is why that coach was so convinced when he was 13 years old that Mike Tyson his name is Customato Customato watched Mike fight for one minute he knew he's like that's the guy now they don't explain why in the docudrama but now that you just explained it I'm like oh man that's what he saw was the full power and that's so crazy and of course it came to be you know true I mean he went like 44 and 0 before he started losing a couple fights but that was because of his own personal demons and his own personal destruction he was destroying himself he destroyed himself I mean if he had a focused regimen and just you know what I'm just gonna be like a Kobe Bryant in the boxing world and just get up every day and take care of my body take care of my mind and just become the best athlete I can be he would have been unstoppable until literally age finally caught up with him at whatever point that would have been for him so we have so many things we talk about about nutrition exercise steps short term discipline and more when we get back from thinking our sponsors ready to ditch your subpar podcast listening app and download an app that has every feature you want and need with more great features being added all the time the app is Podopolo and you can download it for free and start listening right now at podopolo.com Podopolo gives you access to every podcast with easy discoverability audio and video podcast in every genre and language and instant recommendations so the perfect podcast and live streams find you without you having to lift a finger plus Podopolo is interactive so you can create and share short snippets and discuss episodes with friends and your favorite hosts my favorite feature Podopolo is to create your own personalized up next queue so you can set it and forget it join me on Podopolo where you can interact with me connect with others ask questions and share your thoughts on your favorite podcast visit podopolo.com download the app for free from either app store mention JLD or EO Fire when you sign up for an account and start listening now that's P-O-D-O-P-O-L-O.com if you're a creator looking for new ways to connect and interact with your audience live then I'm excited to tell you about Speak Easy a new app made by creators for creators that is uniquely built to help you monetize your audience all you have to do is download the Speak Easy app go live and you'll be connecting with an interactive audience who can comment give live reactions join you as a guest share with their friends and followers and more you can use Speak Easy in so many ways live podcasting show recordings to upload pictures and videos you want to share with your audience or to host premium content people can subscribe to Speak Easy does essential content based on political religious or personal views as long as you're not instigating violence you can speak your mind I'm going live on Speak Easy at Daily Fire Nation and I know you're going to love this platform so what are you waiting for come join me for my next live show visit GetSpeakeasy.com to download the app follow me at Johnny Dumas and I look forward to chatting with you live that's GetSpeakeasy.com are you looking for a place where you can exchange ideas share knowledge and find invaluable mentors co-founders and investors sounds too good to be true right thanks to HubSpot it exists and right now you can get instant access to a community of 16,000 plus business builders at Trends.co slash MFM Trends is a HubSpot community for founders and entrepreneurs that tells you what the next big thing is going to be months before everyone else and delivers access to analysts vetted business ideas and market signals straight to your inbox every single week inside Trends you also have access to live virtual business training and Q&A sessions that feel like MBA lectures where you can learn everything from advanced marketing techniques to how to get fundraising from venture capitalists a 7 day trial of Trends is yours for only $1 and a yearly subscription plus access to the community is $299 per year get a 7 day trial of Trends for only $1 at Trends.co slash MFM that's Trends.co slash MFM Dr.
Jake Wish we are back and I want to talk now about nutrition because there's a phrase that I tell all my friends and maybe you can say John stop saying that as much as you do because it might not be as true as I think it is but I tell all my friends they're like yeah I went for a 5 mile run today like I'm so proud of myself I always tell them I say listen Frankie you can't out-exercise your mouth so whatever you're doing exercise wise please mimic that nutrition wise because you're just running a treadmill going backwards in that case like you're taking three steps forward four steps back so talk to us about rebuilding yourself with a few nutrition and exercise steps it's actually worse than you think John our nutrition is so critical and the engineered foods we have are so awful that I can spend I'll give you an example I spent about three months preparing for a photo shoot recently the photo shoot went great best day of my life I'm a natural athlete so I don't take any diuretic drugs or anything like that so I didn't particularly dehydrate outside of you know normal just not drinking any water before the morning before that the shoot so it took me three months to get to I was in like 6-7% body fat range well after the photo shoot took it easy went back to normal eating and normal for me is still super low carbohydrate but you know rib eyes instead of lean cuts I'm like back at 90% in maybe a week wow yeah like yes I stepped on the scale two mornings ago and it was like no a lot of it was water I was down to 203 pounds and you know now I'm like 2.5 what the hell some of it's water you can diet for three months but you can screw all that up in one week let's talk about the steps now give us some nutrition steps the first step is just cutting refined sugar out like and that's tough like I won't I know it sounds pretty easy and really fit people they've been doing that for years but most people buy products that come packages like for me it's pretty much just whatever's in the knee counter but you know I'm I've been doing this a while so that doesn't feel weird to me that just doesn't feel normal so there's refined sugar in everything like if you want to put like steak sauce on your steak or on your ribs or something like that like that's like maple syrup that's just sugar and it's just in everything so that's like number one like stop using sauces stop drinking your calories you've read your dad's expression before yeah because like any soft drink even a diet one like the problem with the artificial sugars is they still keep you wanting sugar you know they just sort of sort of keep you addicted but you're not getting any calories at the moment so really not helping you also they can there's some negative impact in your gut microbiome so step one is cutting out refined sugar step two is getting your protein back so getting enough protein is a really interesting subject because once you realize how much protein you need to gain muscle there's really not a lot of room in your intestines for much else like you're supposed to get one gram per pound of body weight and uh there's a new meta-analysis that undercut that just a little bit but still that once you realize that it's like you gotta eat protein like it's your job if you plan on gaining muscle and like that was that's lost like I talked to a friend of mine yesterday you know how much protein you know what I'm getting oh I get plenty you know I have a lunch with a little bit of fish and then dinner you know maybe a steak or something it ended up being like 45 grams of protein I'm like yeah you should like add a zero to the end of that number wow it's kind of bigger guys it's just like what do you mean like yeah you're getting like one tenth of what you need and that really puts things into perspective and once you do that and like I said you don't have room in your intestines for junk food when you look at how much nutritious food you need and I think that's a little bit why when I hate the sport of bodybuilders it's not even a sport it's a pageant but bodybuilders they're eating all the time and they're in great shape whereas most people who are just lean are sort of talking about pseudo-starving all the time well neither answer is quite right to get in great shape but you certainly will live a happier life by putting on a little bit more muscle because you need quality calories and you'll be a happier person eating a significant amount of quality calories and you don't feel deprived like I don't ever feel like oh I'm starving myself I'm miserable like it's not like that at all Fire Nation I really hope again you're hearing these steps about nutrition and how my little phrase of you can't out-ephasize your mouth is actually not even going far enough because of how important that is there's actually a fantastic book that finally got me to understand how much sugar and white flour are actually drugs I mean we're talking literal drugs you know just like heroin and cocaine are drugs they compare I'm not sure what you're going to mention but there are studies that compare people's desire to have more sugar very similar to the need of cocaine addicts and that's what heroin was like yeah maybe opium's going a little too far too I honestly am so convinced I don't even like to say compare I like to say like it is the same because it's like of course so many people make so much money and so many people's jobs are dependent on the sugar industry on the white flour industry that like it's so taboo to say that they're drugs but they're drugs like these are drugs and guess what we use drugs every day I'm drinking a cup of coffee right now that's a drug there's caffeine in there so be thinking about that Fire Nation be thinking about that I want to end with a bang Dr. Jake wish because we're talking about a lot of cool things a lot of people are like okay well you know man like I'm going to have this year goal they try to have like this long term motivated plan like you know January 1st is coming up a little bit let's talk about focusing on short term discipline instead of long term motivation man I always say that you know when people look at pictures of their favorite athlete and they say that's my motivation the problem is you're putting an entire fitness journey into one thought and that fitness journey requires you to go many days of responsible eating many days of responsible exercise so when people do that somebody says hey we're getting pizza for lunch you coming? the person who looks to motivation they'll say yeah sure you know so like my diet was working off or usually they don't but it's just an excuse so it's easy to find an excuse and easy to break from what you promised yourself you're going to do but a disciplined person is not like that because when it comes to discipline you wake up and you say I'm not going to screw anything up today I'm going to stick to all my principles I'm going to let's say the fasting go let's say you know it's not your workout day you're not growing muscle at night so you're not going to eat nothing and a big supporter got a huge second in my book making a waste of time on benefits of fasting but it's like you know you've gone a day before eating nothing like let's say a couple international flights and the connection times were tight and then you look at the in flight meal and you're like yeah no thanks because it's just gross so it's like everyone knows they can do that so just for today let's just do it perfectly and what do you know it's not so hard just one day right well then you wake up the next day and you say the same shit to yourself like I'm just going to get through today I don't have to I don't have to think about you know what I want my body to look like four years from now in fact that's kind of a toxic thought because it's so far away it gives you room for excuses you just focus on what's in front of you at the moment and then you'll do it 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