Real-World DevOps on the MAUI Team - Episode 144

On today's episode of the podcast, Jeffrey Palermo is joined by two special guests, Alex Blount and Sweekriti Satpathy.   Alex is a Principal Software Engineer Manager on the Customer Engagement Team for the Microsoft Developer Edition, and Sweekriti is a Senior Software Engineer on the same team.   In their conversation, Alex and Sweekriti discuss real-world DevOps on the MAUI team, how to get up and running with MAUI, a rundown of the products that the team uses (and how they're configured), and much more.   Topics of Discussion: [:14] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure, the new podcast Architect Tips, and Jeffrey's offer to speak at virtual user groups. [1:26] About today's episode. [1:46] Jeffrey welcomes Sweekriti Satpathy and Alex Blount to the podcast. [1:54] Alex shares about his career journey and current role with Microsoft. [3:48] Sweekriti shares about her career journey and current role within Microsoft. [5:16] About Sweekriti's Learn TV show, Hello World. [5:42] Alex provides some backstory on what their team does. [9:22] Sweekriti shares her insights on migrating to .NET MAUI. [9:58] What do level three tests look like? Tests that have to take the user interface into account? What libraries and techniques are the teams using now to handle that? [13:23] Sweekriti's insights around UI testing from a DevOps pipeline point of view. [18:14] Is this UI test library that Sweekiri spoke about a NuGet library? And what layer does it operate at? Is it on top of the emulator or does it not even need to spin up an emulator? [19:23] Alex highlights a common pitfall they often see customers fall into with regards to testing, and how to address it. [21:28] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [21:59] A lot of developers use the technique of taking a screenshot for every action in the user interface (in Azure Pipelines, testing in Selenium, etc.) Is this natively built into App Center? [23:44] For the release candidate of a MAUI app, what format does it take? And where's the right place to archive those? [28:05] Sweekriti shares an important aspect of how these tasks work. [29:20] Are there any pipeline configurations that are in repositories that can be looked at today? Sweekriti offers some advice on how to get your environment up and running with MAUI. [32:05] Alex shares his insights on telemetry. [34:24] Sweekriti's insights on telemetry. [35:00] As far as product strategy, is Microsoft aligning App Service for mobile telemetry and application insights to serverside telemetry? [26:45] Skeekriti shares her excitements around .NET MAUI and everything becoming more streamlined. [37:16] Is anyone writing an early release book on .NET MAUI development? [37:59] Where to find resources related to .NET MAUI. [40:22] Jeffrey thanks Sweekriti and Alex for joining the podcast and sharing their insights.   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! The Azure DevOps Podcast's Twitter: @AzureDevOpsShow Alex Blount's LinkedIn Microsoft Learn TV .NET MAUI Xamarin App Center Selenium Azure Artifacts MAUI Samples | GitHub Build and deploy Xamarin apps with a pipeline | Microsoft Docs .NET MAUI Check | GitHub Weather '21 | GitHub Azure DevOps Podcast Ep. 142: "David Ortinau on Multi-Platform App Development Using .NET MAUI"   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.