Rethinking Risk: How AI Reshapes Cybersecurity with Gavin Grisamore

What if AI could eliminate burnout instead of just speeding things up? Gavin Grisamore, CISO at Lead Bank, joins Nate Burke and Lior Div to reimagine the future of cybersecurity, one where AI agents reduce toil, reshape SOC structures, and elevate human creativity. In this episode, Gavin shares what it really means to manage risk in an AI-driven environment. From rethinking alert fatigue and L1/L2 roles to challenging sunk cost fallacies and shifting defensive strategies, the trio explores how AI is not just another tool, but a transformation. Whether you’re leading a team or navigating boardroom AI pressure, this conversation will challenge your assumptions about what’s next.   Impactful Moments: 00:00 – Introduction 00:53 – The value of leisure in cybersecurity 03:25 – AI’s role in risk management 05:15 – Rethinking security with AI agents 09:00 – Evolution of alerting structures in SOCs 11:14 – The fast and furious future of attacks 15:30 – Sunk cost fallacy in technology 20:31 – Future team dynamics in cybersecurity 23:30 – Transformation of threat intelligence 26:55 – Balancing human creativity with AI capabilities Interested in being a guest or want to recommend someone? Reach out to us at [email protected]