S07 Ep17: Snacks with Stack

Hey, everyone. This is Perhaps It's You. Yes, Samantha, we're starting right now. I was unprepared. And we just want to give Matt credit as our audio engineer. Yes. Matt can do things that we can't, like turn a knob. Turn a knob. Our delicate feminine hands can't handle the rough surfaces of knobs. One thing goes wrong. We're recording in person. And as longtime listeners of the show will know, we don't fucking know how to work our own audio equipment that we've had since the second day of this podcast. So we turn it on.

My mic isn't working. We literally were just like, we tried nothing. We just started like literally have no idea what to do. Matt comes in the room, turns one knob and it works. So I just feel like that dancing frog where I'll have a technical problem. I will not be able to figure it out and then I'll get Mac and it'll be fine. But he did actually do something this time. Yeah. He turned a knob. The problem is that we're not used to the knobs on our mixer actually doing anything. For years we were, they were doing nothing. We were just bypassing our mixer. Hundreds of dollars on this piece of equipment.

After recording our first episode of the library, we were like, okay, obviously we were born for greatness. This podcast is going straight into number one on iTunes. We need to purchase the finest equipment available. Let's get on the Amazon and do zero research, basically. I would not call watching two and a half YouTube videos zero research. Was our sound back in the day great? It was. Somehow it was.

Look, we were turning those knobs. So in our defense, we thought they were doing something. They were doing literally nothing. They were doing nothing. We have to have another thing now, which I'm still confused. I have no idea what that thing is. We have a separate little box with its own knobs. Mac has it set up and it works great. But now the knobs actually do stuff. So we were like, huh. The first thing that comes to our mind is not turn a knob because why would that do anything? Okay. First of all, this is an official Unsolved Mysteries rewatch podcast, by the way. Oh, yeah. My name is Liz. My name is Samantha. There's this man here named Mac. He's our live-in IT person and sound engineer.

We make him leave the room. We've turned the heat off. We've turned the heat on the cold house and he never complains once. It's kind of incredible. He doesn't even laugh at us when he has to do something as simple as just turn a knob. Yeah. Basically, like, did you turn it on? If the situation was reversed and he had a podcast about, I don't know, Highlander and I had to leave the room in the cold and be quiet while he recorded his Highlander podcast, I would be so pissed. I can't even tell you. I cannot even tell you how I'd be like, oh my God, Highlander's ruining my life.

And I'd be like, what were you going to do? I don't know. But I would need the freedom to walk around and be loud during this hour and a half. Hilarious. Okay. So we're here today. We are recording in person for once because we needed to do a stack time. Yes. Did you just call it a stack time? Maybe. I love that. I love that. Snack time is now stack time.

Snack. Snack. Snack. Snack is a snack time. Snacks with stack. Snacks with stack. Oh, my God. Why are we calling it the whole time? Let's just change this whole podcast format. It would have made more sense if we have a snack time. We called it. That makes no sense, really. We just wanted to eat things. Now we have a segment. Yeah, exactly. Called Snacks with Stack. Yes. The best segment that there is. And it's partly because listener Leilani.

Dropped off some snacks for us while in town, I think from Canada. Thank you. I mean, so nice. Thank you to our... I have Cheezys in front of me, so... Mac and I already ate our share of the Cheezys. Sorry, Samantha. Fortunately, there were three bags, so it divided very well. Nice.

Thank you to listeners who send snacks so we can have our Snacks with Snacks segment. Thank you to our patrons that allow us to buy snacks because that also happened today. So these are from Lilani. We have Super Cola. And we also have, I think you'll be into this, Super Lemon. Okay. I heard a rumor that Lilani was bringing us some super sour candy from Japan. So that must be what this is. I don't know if the cola is sour. Look at this guy's face, how sour it is. I hope that's going to be my face. He's like screaming. And he says, oh, noble on it.

I think Noble must be the brand. One's saying, oh, juicy. And one person is saying, oh, Noble. Oh, you're right. That is the brand. Okay. I'm assuming that the cola is, you know, we need to enjoy this now because there's not going to be no cold Coke candy in hell. There's no, there's no super colas in hell. Okay. Here's the lemon one. I'm going to try the cola first because I don't want the lemon to ruin my taste buds. Oh, you're smart. I'll do that as well. It is sour. Okay. I can't even get this out of the room. I'm so useless today. Okay. It's very sour. I was not expecting that from a cola candy.

Oh, okay. All right. I kind of hate it. Once you get through the sour flavor, it does taste like cola. It tastes like black Coke. Yeah, no thanks. I've given this literally one lick. Not even put it in my mouth. I'm putting it back in the... That will be for Samantha. Here you go. Here's your bag of... I like these. Of course you do. You're a sour fiend. Yeah. And they're very sour. It's not a Warhead level sour, but it's close. These are good. No. I feel like the lemon is going to blow our lids off. If the cola was really sour, this lemon is probably going to be super sour. Super lemon. Oh my God.

Liz popped it in her mouth. I think that was a bad decision. That was really sour. Does it hurt your mouth? Liz had to take it out. That's really sour. I just put it in my mouth. You like this play-by-play? Yeah. Just all mouth noises. Welcome to Mouth Noises, the podcast. It's like you're right here with us enjoying really sour candy. Lemon is really sour, but I almost feel like the cola was more sour. I wonder if that is a surprise or the sourness. Maybe.

The lemon sour also wore off really fast. But it is good. These are good. Noble, sour lemon, and super cola. I mean, I'm going to give this a solid 4.5 out of 5. Wow. I'm giving those not applicable. Not for me. Yeah, fair enough. I recognize, I respect the sourness. I respect the craftsmanship. But I'm not the intended audience of that treat. I love the sour candy. I also picked up a few other items for us. So this is a new thing.

From Dunkin' Donuts that I saw at Walgreens, they made a box of chocolates. Ooh. But in, like, their little donut box. Okay. These are the flavors. Boston cream, brownie batter, and chocolate cream. And they're supposed to taste like the donuts. Okay, I'm already really into those. So I was like, yeah, we will be trying that. Thank you. See, this is the great part about Snacks with Stack. It's an excuse to buy these novelty items. Random snacks. I believe this is a new holiday item, even though it doesn't really have anything, like, wintry on it.

Okay, which flavor would you like to try first? Boston cream pie. Yeah, same. That's the one that is most intriguing. I'm assuming chocolate cream just tastes like any normal... Okay, you don't get as many chocolates as the box would lead you to believe. They're in a separate bag inside the box, which is unnecessary because they're individually wrapped. Yeah, that's very unnecessary. I feel slightly scammed. Okay, these are super cute. They look like a little donut, sort of. This tastes like a Cadbury cream egg. Yeah. It definitely has that, like, cheap chocolate taste. It's not bad.

It's not special. Yeah. Just a meh for me. Okay. Do you want to try another one? I'll try the brownie. Okay. Brownie batter. I'm still dying. That'll be our last episode, folks. Yeah. Lit the sour candy pie. Is it cream inside the brownie? Yeah. It just tastes like a cheap chocolate. There's really nothing special about this. The packaging is very cute. If you know someone that really likes Dunkin' Donuts, you know those people. They're obsessed with Dunkin' Donuts coffee and stuff. It should be a cute little gift, but...

You don't need to try it. I'm going to get a bite out. We should have saved the sour candy for the end. Yeah. There's really nothing special about this brownie one. Nothing special. This is entirely a packaging. This brownie one would be better if it was dark chocolate on the outside. It would be better if it tasted like brownie. Well, also that. I'm not even going to bother with the chocolate cream right now. I think we know that. The chocolate cream is going to taste exactly like the Boston cream pie. I guarantee it. Okay. The other items that we have. I couldn't remember if they had this last year. It was a Kit Kat gingerbread cookie. Hell yeah.

Which if we did try this last year, it must have been good because I haven't seen any of these floating around my house. So that means we ate them all. If we did try this before. I don't recall a ginger. I don't either. I feel like this might be new. Because if you're wondering what happens to the novelty kick hats we don't like, they absolutely go in this bucket for trick-or-treaters. Which is why it's sitting right here. And I can confirm there's a bunch of kick hats in the bottom of this. Also a little skeleton man. Oh, yeah. Well, if you're one of our super duper.

Patrons, you may have recently gotten a reward that included a skeleton parachute bird labeled DB Cooper 2022. And we had a couple that were, you know, not up to snuff. Quality control. Okay. Let's see how we feel about this. Oh, I like this. Me too. Could use more like gingerbread spicy flavored. Yeah.

The pumpkin spice ones were a little spicier than this, and I wish this had some of that spice. But the flavor is really good, and the aftertaste is really good, which is sometimes an issue with these. Yes. Oh, is that good? I like these. They have nice... They do taste like a cookie. Agreed. In a nice way. I think Robert Stack would have really enjoyed these if he was here. Right? That's how the segment works? Yep. I give these a four out of five Robert Stacks. Yeah.

The Dunkin' Donuts, I don't know. Two. Yeah, I'm not so impressed with those. Okay, one last thing. I'm excited about these. Is they had the Cherry Cordial Hershey Kisses. I think these are new for this year for holiday. Chocolate and cherry is one of my favorite combos. Me too, but I can also go real wrong. Yes, because it can taste like medicine. Yeah. So let's, we'll see. We'll see how this goes. I did really like the Dracula Kisses. I forget if those were raspberry or strawberry. I think those were, oh gosh, no, I don't remember either. But those were really good.

I really like the little cherry foil. Super cute. Love it. Yeah, these are good. These are really good. These are good. This really just tastes like cherry cordial. I love the, like, I guess it's cordial. The goo in a cherry cordial is so delicious. And it does kind of taste like that. Yeah. It doesn't taste medicine-y. Nope. Which was my fear. It was like, this will taste like fucking Dynatap or I will love it. Those are the only options when it comes to cherry. This is real good. Yeah. Okay. We'll fight over those later. Yeah. So, oh, do we have any updates?

The Patreon episode that's coming out this month will be about the reboot. Yes, we're doing the first two episodes of season three of the Netflix reboot. If you're waiting to hear our thoughts about the unprecedentedly sad reboot episodes, season three of this reboot. Also a really boring UFO thing. Oh my God. I haven't watched that one yet. It's so long and it's so boring and I swear it's just like...

they don't even consider the possibility that it's like spyware. It's like either he saw something and it was aliens or he didn't. And it's like- There's lots of other options. Yeah, I don't- Have you watched the like ghost slash missing person one? No, not yet. Okay. That one was really good. Like really good. To the point where like Travis and I have been going through all of them. He doesn't normally like a paranormal story. And he, at the end of that one was like, that was one of the better episodes for sure in the season. So, because it has like kind of a twist. Like at the beginning, well, I shouldn't spoil it. But at the beginning you think that it's like-

Just a ghost, straightforward ghost story. And then it changes to something else. And it's very fascinating. Interesting. But a lot of the episodes are just really sad. I mean, they're not interesting. But this deep dive format where you're only doing one case per episode means you spend a lot more time with the victim's families. Yep. And then, wow, guess what? That's a huge bummer. Yes. Because they miss their loved ones so much. And you feel like you know them a little bit. Yep. And it's not the, like, five seconds that would have been in a traditional Unsolved Mysteries segment. Right. So you get to see, like, their absolute heartbreak and grief. Mm-hmm. There is one.

I forget the victim's name, but this woman, Tammy, is on the run. I'm convinced Unsolved Mysteries viewers are going to get Tammy. She is out there somewhere. She's pretty recognizable. And she has a giant, giant tattoo, like bouquet rose on one shoulder. Tammy, we're coming for you. Why did I just see that on audio medium? I'm like looking out. Tammy, I feel, okay, that's what's, I mean, that is so, that's so fucking sad. But.

that case oh my god it was horrible but but it does give me that old unsolved mysteries when it was airing feeling of like i'm gonna look out my window i'm gonna fucking see tammy and i'm gonna go you and i'm gonna like personally tackle her to the ground like i'm gonna be the person a few episodes this season have that feeling have you seen the um parental kidnapping episode oh god no so it's extremely sad um but that is another one where i'm like we're gonna fucking find these people like they're out there we're gonna find them because i feel like the earlier episodes of the reboot the only person was on the run was like on the run in europe and i was like Yeah, I hope we catch that guy, but I'm personally probably not going to see him. But these ones, like Tammy was like on the run from Michigan. I was like, she could totally be her. Yeah, we could find her tomorrow. I could be at a bus depot and see Tammy.

I'm going to get her. We need to plaster that tattoo everywhere. Tammy, I am coming for you. It's also wild to think of Tammy watching Netflix and seeing. I know. Isn't that just weird to think about? When you're watching the old episodes, most people are dead. But to think right now, Tammy's out there watching this right now. I mean, we've definitely talked about cases where the update is like, the suspect watched himself on Unsolved Mysteries and then started to peg a suitcase to run for his life. But then the cops pulled, right? Yeah. That could be Tammy. She was like, oh shit, that Netflix episode dropped. People are definitely on my, like.

I'm going to need some way better wigs. Like this is not working. Someone's going to see that tattoo on TikTok. I just can't wait for it. Yeah. It's like that Night Stalker thing where he sees himself on the cover of the paper and then everyone sees him see it and they start chasing him down the street, which is like the best true crime story ever. Amazing. Because you can see it in your head. Everyone in the store just like turning their head. And being like, is that the fucking Night Stalker? He's standing there just realizing everybody's looking at him. And then, yeah, they literally chased him down the street. Like a mob of people. I want this for Tammy. Yeah. I want like.

An ad for Netflix to come on in a bar. And then everybody look over and be like, is that fucking Tammy? And then she's like, oh shit. Because it's a horrible crime. She used to be. Awful. Awful. Anyway. Anyway, you're going to have to sign up for it. You're going to have to give us a dollar in tax to hear us dive into that one. And it is going to take us a while to get through the reboot episodes because we do two per episode. Yeah. So it's going to take a few months before we get through all of them. Bear with us. But we've covered all the reboot episodes. So if you sign up for our Patreon, you can go back and listen to all of those. Plus all the like 50 plus other episodes that we've done about random shit. And we did as a little teaser put our first.

discussion of the reboot out for everyone so you can hear us discuss which is two hours long the incident at the belvedere hotel and i forget what the other one was but those two are on there yep so you can get a taste of our i would call it journalism I would too. Yeah, it's really just a recap. I was once explaining this podcast to, like, a stranger. And, you know, very nicely, they were like, oh, so it's really journalism. And I was like, yeah. That's so sweet of you. Because I was like, oh. You know, you have a really high opinion of what I've just described. I do. Or you have a really low opinion of journalism. Well, because I was saying, like, oh, you know, we, like, summarize the cases and then we update if anything's happened. They were, like, I guess thinking we were at the library looking at the microfiche, right? Like, really? No. It's a TV rewatch podcast. Yeah, no. This is not journalism. But I appreciate that, kind stranger, wherever you are. Okay.

What episode are we on? 17? 17. Season 7. Episode 17. This opens with Robert Stack in some sort of like very cool sanctuary place. I couldn't figure out where he was. I don't know, but it was cool. I like it. Okay. So the first case in this, I have a lot of thoughts and feelings about this unexplained. So I'm going to do that. We're already at 22 minutes. I'm going to do that podcast thing where you've been babbling for a long time. Then you go, let's just get right into it. It's like, no, you've been just talking shit for 20 minutes. You're not getting right into it. Let's get right into it. Okay.

So this is an unexplained. We open on a police evidence warehouse in Los Angeles. This is not a reenactment. But Unsolved Mysteries filming a psychic talking to the police. It might as well be a reenactment for how ridiculous this looks. Okay. It seems like this woman's goddamn job, like paid job, is a psychic who talks to the police. And I'm just like... I have questions. If the LAPD was not already known as one of the most evil organizations in the history of mankind, you'd be like, this is how they're spending people's money? Talking to a...

But really, you watch this and you're like, well, it's not the worst thing I could be talking about. Yeah, exactly. You're like, well. Except that I don't know if this woman has ever solved any crime ever. No. So it doesn't seem like it's paying off. Yeah. Can't we just, like, house people? Why are we spending money on police psychics? Anyway, this is the story of Noreen Renier from Orlando, Florida, who claims that she has the ability to see crimes from the perspective of the victim. For some reason, I find this more cringy than other psychics that we've...

seen interact with the police before. Because she acts out the crime. I think it's because she's acting out like she's like being hurt. She like feels the pain of the victim and sees things through their eyes. And I'm just like, this is so... It's bad acting. Unless this woman is completely cuckoo bananas and literally believes this is happening. She might, but it's still bad acting. Like this is so disingenuous and wrong. And the poor families, why? I don't, I hate the whole thing. Anyway, so let's talk about Noreen. She claims to, this is what Robert Sachs says, that she becomes one with the victims. She feels their pain. She speaks their words and she sees the faces of their killers. Except conveniently.

if, say, the person was killed in their sleep, oh, she's able to jump into something else or she can just be in the room. Like, in instances where that would be a problem, like, you know, you were shot in the back of the head and you never saw who killed you, don't worry, she can just be Noreen standing there. I was like, then why are you having a victim? I don't understand. Noreen? But neither does Noreen understand as well, but I'm sure we'll talk about it later. She has worked with police in 32 different states and four other countries at this point on a total of 385 different crimes. I have a question. How many crimes has she solved? How many of them?

300 crimes? This is the one that they claimed was like her best work. It should be 306 out of 306 or whatever. You're a fucking psychic. Yeah. Okay. She's fucking taking money from this. This is like her job. And they should be doing anything else. It's appalling. Perhaps her most stunning success is the case of Jake and Dora Cohn, an elderly couple that lived in suburban Albany. The night of May 15th, 1986, Dora was... This is really fucking sad, everybody. Dora was on the phone with her daughter.

Suddenly, her daughter hears her mom, Dora, screaming for Jake. Like, they're just on the phone talking about recipes and shit. And all of a sudden, her mom starts going, Jake, Jake! And then it just goes dead. So, this woman calls the police. She calls her son, James, before rushing over there herself. Unfortunately, Dora and Jake are already dead. Both had been shot in the head. The only evidence was that their front door had been kicked in.

But because James, their grandson, recognized the caliber of shell used in the murder, he was immediately a suspect, even though the police knew he was home at the time to receive the phone call from his mother. He took a polygraph test, but as we all know, those are bullshit, and that was inconclusive. The real reason the police were suspicious of James is because he had a criminal record, and he was known to hang out with other criminals. So two years went by with no leads. This is when the family hears of Noreen. I looked from some cheesy profile in a magazine, and they asked the police to contact her, and for some reason they did.

So it is now 1988 and Noreen worked with the police over the phone, which is what she usually did, which I was like, wow, the level of this scam. Love it. She's literally just putting people on speakerphone and being like, oh no, the door, oh dear. Like she's just play acting. Okay, whatever. Can you tell I don't believe that this is legitimate? Okay, so she's working with the police over the phone. They sent her items that belonged to the victims. She knew their names and ages, but she supposedly knew nothing of the crime. And she definitely couldn't like look that shit up. They're not even in the same room with her.

She could be literally reading this out of a newspaper. Okay, whatever. Through Dora's eyes, supposedly, Nori knew that she was on the phone discussing recipes when suddenly there was a crash. She called out Jake's name twice, just like she had done that night. Then she enters Jake's body before he dies and said, I know you. What are you doing here? Before being shot in the face. The police asked Noreen to work with a forensic hypnotist. Okay. Which is another. You thought it couldn't get worse. Another weirdo we're paying now. A forensic hypnotist to help her remember the face that she saw as Jake. She has this ability to go into there. Like what? If she has to be then hypnotized on top of it, what is the point? Clearly.

clearly the police were trying to call her on her i'm gonna say she was like it's i don't know it's hazy like something like that right the police are going okay so you saw the killer as jake what did the killer look like and she was like i was a dude like right she was being really vague and they were like great get our get that other scam artist that forensic hypnotist in here and she was like oh shit right like now i have to be a little bit more specific so this is what she described to the hypnotist very very specific guys young man oh wow brown hair wow who had come to their house for dinner Now you might think that's kind of specific, except really most people are killed or assaulted by people you know. So saying he's once been in a house before, I don't know. That's like a statistical guess, I would say. That doesn't make any sense to me because her daughter was on the phone with her and she wouldn't mention that they had a dinner guest? Okay, that he had been at their house for dinner at some point. But it was someone they knew. Maybe not well, but it was someone that like, so supposedly he had said, I know you, what are you doing here, right? She's basically just saying this is someone that Jake recognized. Maybe not Dora, but I guess she probably served him dinner. Anyway, whatever.

that he had done some work for Jake and was demanding to know where the money was. The hypnotist tries to get her to spell out the name, which I don't know why she would be able to do, but she only gets the letter S before saying she can't see anything else, which I feel like is a super common letter, but anyway. Yeah, it could be anything. It could be Samantha. It was me, actually. But it could be a middle name. It could be a last name. It could be that they are in that county. You know what I mean? In the end, you could probably come back and be like, oh, it was an S because he has a snake tattoo. It could be anything. He has a pet snail. Right, right, right. I wish that was it. Now I'm like, oh, if only the killer had a pet snail, and that's what clinched the case. We were looking for a man with a pet snail. Okay, so then the police ask her to look at the suspect photographs.

To see if she can recognize the face that she described as a hypnotist. And she's like, I don't want to see them. Put them down on the table so I can feel their energies. Which is how photographs work. Yes. She then picked out three photographs from the set without looking at them. And she got the strongest energy from one who she said may be the killer. May. Everybody. One of those photos had nothing to do with anything. It was just a random guy. One of the photos was a friend of James, Robert Skinner. And one was James himself.

Because of this, they now actually looked into Robert Skinner's alibi. He said that he was with his girlfriend, and that did not hold up. And it turned out that James was behind a conspiracy to rob the couple. Now, I watched this and went, why the hell didn't they look into that alibi at the time? Why did this guy go, I was with his girlfriend, and they just wrote that down and went, okay, and moved on with their lives?

Because clearly all they had to do was contact a girlfriend and she went, what? Robert Skinner? No. I dumped that guy's ass three months previous or whatever it was, right? Because apparently it didn't hold up at all. Yeah. But they didn't bother to look into it until a psychic picked his photo up without looking at it because of its energy. This is how crimes get solved in the United States of America. Okay. We now get possibly, it's just one of the most incredible moments on Unsolved Mysteries to me.

that noreen talking to camera is like a lot of people ask me that stood out to me as well how i do it and you know what i say she doesn't really talk like that by the way but whatever you know what i say how does your mind work how do you do math how do you learn things how do you learn things how does your brain how does the logical mind work you don't know either So how am I supposed to know how I do what I do? Here's the fucking thing, Maureen. Noreen, whatever the hell your name is. Some people do know the answer to these questions. Yeah, just because I'm not a brain scientist doesn't mean that information is unknown. It's not magic. How people learn things. How do you learn math as a child? No one knows. It just happens. That's not true, Noreen. It's not true. People know how to teach people math and how your brain learns things. And then she gives the smuggest look. Like she has just fucking dunked on your face to camera where she's like.

yeah that's what i say to people at cocktail parties or whatever and then she just goes like she really does you need to watch this segment because you will want to punch this woman in the face so bad it's the smuggest look ever captured by a camera i'm not sure could be topped it is wild this woman is Like bilking money from horrible situations with a scam. They could put innocent people in prison. You're picking out suspects based on the energy of a photograph? Also that. And then it's just like, how dare you question me? As if anyone knows how the brain works. And you're like, I'm sure some people, that's not my job, Noreen, to know that. My job is to talk shit about unsolved mysteries. Your job is to be a scam artist. Okay, anyway.

She's very proud of herself. I wrote down. She's very proud of herself for pointing out that you don't know how your mind works either. Wow, Noreen. Okay. Unfortunately, this segment keeps going. I was pissed. I thought I was done. It was going to be Samantha's turn. And then they were like, no, another case. And I was like, God damn it. Here's another one. Okay. The second case, it turns out that this is what we saw at the very beginning, right? We saw Noreen nodding in her interactment, squirming around in a chair because she's having a psychic vision. And it's because Unsolved Mysteries called her in to work on this case. And I'm sure she wanted to do it over the phone like she usually does. And they were like, no, no, no. We're going to film it. And she was sort of like, well, we've got to Meryl Streep it up. Got to make it really look like I'm having a psychic vision. Anyway.

So we hear from Jim Tiample of the LAPD, who is currently working with Noreen on a case of 42-year-old Rosemary Hom, who is the co-owner of a Chinese bakery who was kidnapped and stabbed to death on November 5th, 1994. Oh, so sad. Okay. One of her employees was the last person to see her alive. He seemed to be waiting outside of work for her to, like, unlock the door, right? He's standing there on the street. She drives by in the van, sees him, waves him through the window, pulls into this parking garage.

and she's never seen alive again. So this poor guy is just standing outside, waiting for his boss to, like, start the day at the bakery, and she never comes out. He's standing there for half an hour. After Rosemary pulls into the parking garage, he sees a man immediately get out of his car and follow her into the garage. He doesn't really think anything of it at the time. Half an hour later, Rosemary's van is leaving the garage, and that guy's driving it, and Rosemary's nowhere to be seen. Also, he must feel terrible. Yeah. But there's no way he could have known. He wouldn't have known. Yeah, exactly. Anyway, so...

Sorry, I got ahead of myself in my notes. Okay, 11 hours later, authorities found the van, and unfortunately, Rosemary is lying dead in the back seat. So this was the segment. This was what we were seeing at the very beginning. Noreen is in the, like, evidence warehouse next to this van holding Rosemary's watch to get a reading off of her. And after her vision of Rosemary's killer, she describes a man to the sketch artist.

And then we see that side by side with the sketch that this eyewitness, her employee, had given to the police, right? So they just show those side by side. This does not solve the case, everyone. Oh, really? I thought she was a psychic. Noreen did not crack open this case. I wrote down, it was not psychics, but DNA evidence. Wow, imagine that forensics. Wow. It turned out it was an informer employee. Oh, man. He pled guilty to second-degree murder and was sentenced to 16 years to life. Let's see what happened to that guy. He didn't look it up. Is he out there among us right now? Is he outside this door? Probably.

With Tammy. Okay. Here is the results from Unsolved Mysteries Wiki. This case was solved in January 2004. Wow. Great job, Noreen. Great job. Great job working on this case.

95 or whatever it was. Okay. In January 2004, Rosemary's case was reopened. Through a series of interviews, they learned of an ex-employee who had been fired from the bakery due to a series of thefts. Gotta say. How did that not come up originally? I guess the police are not good at their jobs. Oh my God. We would not have an Unsolved Mysteries if the police were good at solving mysteries. The first thing you ask is who would want this person dead? Oh, probably the guy who got fired for stealing.

Yeah. Hello? No, no. You've got to call a psychic. There's no way to solve this one. We'll never know. Okay. So this also, that ex-employee had an extensive criminal history, which led to his DNA being submitted to CODIS and the National DNA Database. They discovered that the blood found at the crime scene belonged to someone other than the victim. Oh, my God. They did, like, nothing on this. This cop, Jim, when he was originally talking about how he was working with Maureen, I was like, wow, this guy really wants to solve this case. Kind of not, Jim. Kind of not. You couldn't even, like, do the blood type. I realize maybe you didn't have access to DNA stuff. You couldn't do the blood type and see if the blood type is the same as the victim? Oh, my God.

Okay, whatever. So they discovered that it was someone else's blood. The DNA was extracted from the blood sample. The DNA of the crime scene matched 43-year-old Tan Chi Fung, former employee, who had stolen. On July 1st, 2004, Tai was arrested at his residence. During the interview with police, he confessed to Rosemary's murder. He claimed he confronted her with a knife in the parking garage, demanding his job back. That'll do it. Yeah. Who wouldn't want to hire the person that just threatened you with a knife?

i can't believe she didn't say yes um when she refused he killed her dumping his body in the van wow july 2006 he pled guilty to first degree of murder and was sentenced so i assume he is still in prison great job dorian We're huge Noreen fans here at POI. Okay, Samantha's turn. All right, we have a missing person. So, a pregnant woman and her six-year-old child mysteriously disappear, and her husband becomes the prime suspect. I mean, as he would, right? So, we're told that after a passionate two-year courtship, Alfredo Newball and Cecilia Amaya got married. Cecilia's son from a previous marriage, Renee Perez, was the ring bearer at their wedding. The couple started their new life together in Chatsworth, California, and almost immediately, Cecilia became pregnant.

Alfredo. Quality mullet. Did you give this mullet a name? No, I didn't even think to. Oh, you know what? Alfredo is just a great name all around. This mullet could be called the Alfredo. I think so. So, yeah, it's a...

The reason it's a quality mullet, he has like a great head of hair. Yes. I was just about to say that because it's thick. It's like the healthiest. It's not stringy. Have you seen... Most people with a mullet, they don't have the hair to pull off a mullet. They're kidding themselves. Greasy, stringy, yeah. It's just like too thin, too fine. You can't have a baby hair mullet, you know. This guy, hair like a horse. Yeah, this hair was luscious. Have you seen the kid mullet competition? No. What? Okay. I'm proud to be an American. At least I know I'm free. Okay, because the...

Best slash maybe worst part of this kid mullet competition is the names of some of these kids. So let me see if I can find. I really wonder about people who live. Oh, my God. About people who live outside of the United States that listen to this podcast and what sort of impression they get of life here. Well, this is what life is like is in America. This is a child.

A child whose name is Epic. I mean, okay, if your parents have the fucking balls to name you Epic, yeah, you should have an 80s... Does this kid get a perm? I don't know. But I am trying to get my sister, and I'm not even... This isn't even a joke. I'm trying to get my sister to enter my nephew into this competition. I love the mirrored sunglasses. This kid has like a whole lifestyle. They adopt the whole look. I mean, like... Okay, I respect this a lot. And also, if you're going to do something wacky with your hair... Look at Emmett.

Okay, Emmett looks like Euro trash. Emmett wants to go to the discotheque. Agreed. Okay, I don't know about you, Emmett. Agreed. If you're going to just say I'm acting with your hair, people, okay, boomers, don't complain about, like, kids having punk haircuts or whatever. They don't have to get jobs. Let them have whatever hair they want. Exactly. This is what I'm talking about. This apparently is the winner.

What? That one? I like that one better. William has an, you can't tell, maybe not from where you're sitting, but there's an American flag shaved into the side of his head. That's pandering. And also looks like he gets a perm in the back. Or maybe just all these kids have very wavy hair. Maybe. I don't know. The bangs. He's got some bangs going on and they are straight. So I feel like there's a curling iron involved possibly. Maybe a curling iron. I do want your nephew entered into this contract. Yes. This isn't even a joke. I seriously am trying to get her to do this.

How old is your nephew now? He's just over one. Okay, how cute with like a two or three-year-old with a floor. I don't know how fast a kid's hair grows. It's pretty long right now. So I feel like, I don't know when you have to enter the mullet competition. But imagine like a fucking two-year-old there. That two-year-old's going to win. He's going to clean the floor with those eight-year-olds. So cute, right? Oh my God. Yeah, so anyway. Anyway, Alfredo could have really won this competition because his mullet was so luscious.

okay also but a grown man entering the kids mullet there's adult okay there's adult divisions too this is the world mullet competitions i believe and there's there's adult divisions but the kids one was the one that like went viral on twitter or whatever so listeners you have to look it up because it's just incredible i mean i would name epics mullet except it's already named the epic yeah so okay so back to the second So Cecilia is pregnant. On September 20th, 1994, with her due date only two weeks away, Cecilia sat down to write thank you notes for gifts for her baby shower. What a nice, like, wholesome... I know, right? That day, as Alfredo left for work, he says he hesitated at the door for just a moment. And this is, like, kind of sweet. He says that she looked so beautiful, and so he went back and gave her one last kiss. And then that's where he left her, writing thank you notes. Definitely not just eating these other...

Dunkin' Donuts chocolates while you talk. Alfredo worked as a nurse's assistant in a hospital and retirement home. Two and a half hours into his shift, he phoned Cecilia, and he says that he had some weird feelings, that something was wrong, but she never answered the phone, and for some reason he thought that she could be visiting with friends or perhaps being at his mother's house. I mean, she is like extremely pregnant at this point. So I mean, how many, like what could she be doing? Alfredo called several times throughout the evening. Eventually he became concerned and left work early. As he approached the apartment, he noticed that Cecilia's car was parked on the street instead of in the building secured lot. He rushed into the apartment in search of his wife and his stepson. Inside, there were no signs of a break-in or a struggle, but there were also no signs of Cecilia and Renee. In the Jeep, Alfredo says he found a generic store-bought goodbye card. It was signed simply Cecilia. That's so fucking suspicious.

This woman could not be more pregnant, really. Yeah. And she's choosing this time to go down to her, you know, Walgreens. Get a greeting card. Get a greeting card. Rely on the message inside the card and just sign her name. She's like, peace, I'm out. I'm just going to have this baby on my own, like, tomorrow.

yeah this is not normal behavior um cecilia's wedding and engagement rings had also been left on the passenger seat so obviously alfredo was shocked um and he i mean his first thought was not something bad bad had happened to his wife his first thought was like oh god oh my god she left me um and he says the relationship was good we never had problems we didn't fight um he thought why would she do something like this leaving me a note like not even a note just like her own name right very confused he was very confused so alfredo phoned the one person he thought might know where she was um it was her closest friend at work uh kevin annabelle it was this phone call that First cast suspicion on Alfredo. When Kevin answered the call, Alfredo questioned whether Cecilia was there. This is what Kevin says. He said, Al, she's not here and you're really starting to scare me. He says that Alfredo was unusually calm and that if it was...

that they would expect to be screaming. I don't know. Again, you don't know how people are going to react. And also some people are just better at an emergency. Also, he doesn't think his wife is in danger or missing. He thinks that his wife has left him. Right. And he's calling the man that possibly she left him for. Yeah. So he's not going to be, okay, maybe some, obviously some people would be screaming and furious, but he's not going to be like in a fear. He's not going to be in a panic. He thinks that she's fine and he's just heartbroken. So I think this guy's kind of looking at it from like the wrong perspective. Agreed. Yeah. And maybe you would like purposely calm yourself down if you were.

Well, also, he wants this guy to put her on the phone. So if he calls up and is like, you fucking bastard, you stole my wife, blah, blah, blah, the guy's just going to hang up. Yeah. So I guess his critique is like he was too rational in this moment. But again, I don't think he was like worried for her safety. Right. Right. Exactly. So Alfredo said he was being called because he thought his wife would come back to him. He said, I felt like she maybe needed to be away for a few days or something. He wasn't sure. He thought it was very strange, but he did think that she would come back. The day after Cecilia disappeared, the police called Alfredo. They had been contacted by one of Cecilia's relatives. This is Detective Alex.

Valadez of the Los Angeles Police Department took on the missing person's case and found Alfredo's conduct on the phone strange. And this again, you know, he says that Alfredo didn't appear to be concerned. I think his ego is more bruised than he's like freaking out. Right. He wants his wife and his soon-to-be kid back, but he's not like, oh my God, what happened to them? Yeah, well, exactly. And I mean, I realized that the detective is like, well, wouldn't she be more concerned because of how pregnant she is? And I guess, but I don't know, again, if you think she's fine and is just like mad at you or something.

I don't know. Maybe you wouldn't be like... He says basically that he expected Alfredo to be grieving, but Alfredo doesn't think she's dead. Right. So I don't know why you would be grieving. I don't know. I think they're interpreting this with the information that they have later, and they're not looking at it like he would be looking at it in that moment. Yeah, I agree. So three days later, suspicion increased when Alfredo received a letter postmarked in nearby Van Nuys, California.

I probably didn't pronounce that right. Inside the envelope was a card identical to the one that Alfredo had found in Cecilia's car. There was also a typewritten note from Cecilia. Yeah, I often buy two of the same goodbye card and send them to the same person. It's adorable. What is a goodbye card even? I don't know. Peace out. I don't know. I really hope it says just like, it's been real.

I do kind of wish we had seen the card. Did it have like a, I don't know. I'm familiar with like a bon voyage card, but like, what is it like? And I'm breaking up with you. Goodbye card is bizarre. I'm taking your soon to be child and I'm leaving forever. Hey. Yeah. Did it have like a cute mouse on the front? It's a division of Hallmark. I'm unfamiliar with. I've never looked at a goodbye card. So you need to break up with someone, but you just don't have the words. You are dumped.

Is this a genre of comic cards? I feel like if it isn't, maybe this is a niche market and we should get into making your dumped cards. People seem to complain. I mean, look, hey, I haven't dated in one billion trillion years, but I still have a lot of complaints about the ghosting. This will solve that problem. You just send them a card. Exactly. That's what I'm thinking. Also, that's not entirely a new... I feel like back in the day, people just wouldn't call you anymore. Yeah, I don't know that ghosting is like a... It's so new. Yeah, it's not... But anyway.

People don't want to be ghosted. They want some closure. They want to know what happened. You could get a you are dumped card. You are dumped. But we also need, so we could diversify a little bit because not necessarily, like some people might, like you might not be in a relationship, you might not be exclusive. So that might not be like a dumping situation so much as like, it was fun, but like our fling is done. Like I feel like we need to have a range of cards for people. No, absolutely. Like, yeah, you were a summer fling. Yeah. Summer's over. Thanks for the great dick. I'm out. Yeah. Yeah.

We'll have a variety for you, Tori. Nothing personal, but, you know, you're not that smart. What if there's one that in the inside has, like, a list of red flags and you just check? I found out you were a Republican. Oh, God. What a nightmare. Yeah, we'll have that one. You really have to disclose that, folks. You do. That's not okay. You do. You need to put that in, like, your Tinder profile. That's not okay. That is deception. Okay. I say that you have a card that has a list of the red flags and then you check which ones apply. Okay, the flags are just an outline and you color them in red. Oh, God, yes.

And then it's like, yeah, the following things. Like, you talk about your mom too much. This needs to be a coloring sheet so people can take this with them. You're so right. This is the next coloring sheet. Okay, actually, this month we're having guest artist Brian Duffy draw. I don't usually say what the coloring sheet is, but it's spooky training, of course. Spooky training. The next one could be the red flag. Checklist. Checklist. So if you have any. Send in your red flags. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and we'll make you a little coloring sheet. You can print it out, fold it up, keep it in your purse. Just pull it out. Leave it on people's nightstands after you've taken their phone and rated our podcast. Just, yeah, color them in. You didn't listen to Perhaps It's You. That's a red flag right there. That's absolutely a red flag. You don't know who Robert Stack is.

You don't know what cemetery you're going to be buried in? You think Noreen is really psychic. Okay, this is going to end up being a book. We're not going to look at it on one sheet. It could be a little zine. I love this idea. Love this idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't remember where I was. Also, okay, quick note. The chocolate cream chocolates were different than I expected. You should have one. Oh, really? Yeah. They didn't just taste like the... You should have one. And I'm going to have another one. Oh, they're white chocolate. Yeah, with chocolate cream inside. I wasn't expecting that. Oh.

These are better than the Boston cream pie. I agree. I agree. I think it's the outside chocolate on that one. It's like the cheap. Yeah. I mean, this is obviously cheap chocolate as well, but it tastes better. Yeah. When it's with the white chocolate. Actually, I think this is the best of the bunch. Yeah. Wow. The one we weren't even going to bother with. Yeah. Sometimes things surprise you. Yeah. Okay. I've interrupted this segment enough. We didn't think you had enough mouth noises on this episode. Okay. So where we left off was Alfredo got the second, the exact same card. Let's just do a spit take. I just spit.

all over my pop filter here. This is a first. Liz is wiping it with her sleeve. We're professionals. It's too bad this isn't a visual medium. What a treat this episode has been. Got a little San Pellegrino on there. So Alfredo's gotten a second identical card. This one has a typewritten note. We've seen, okay, this season of Unsolved Mysteries says one more. This is the second typewritten goodbye note. This is the second fake typewritten goodbye note. Which nobody has shared their Mad Lib, by the way. Yeah, I'm disappointed in all of you. Get on it. Corner someone you live with. Make them do the Mad Lib with you. One of your coworkers. I don't care who it is. Make them do the Mad Lib. It's fun. I did it.

I made Mag do it with me. It was a good time. Okay, so this typewritten note said that Cecilia had gone to Honduras with another man, a doctor named Arturo. Well, like nine months pregnant? Yeah. Okay. No mention of his baby. The note said that she had fallen in love with Arturo nine months earlier. Whoa. And it was possible that he was the father of her unborn child. Alfredo's first impression was that his wife, again, had indeed left him. Look, maybe Alfredo's not that smart. You know, the mullet is not necessarily a sign of intelligence.

He said, after reviewing the letter several times, some parts didn't sound like Cecilia. And it didn't strike me as Cecilia at all. So he did eventually review the note a couple times and decide that, you know, some of this doesn't really sound like his wife. Kevin also found the letter out of character and says, I would say that she was almost obsessed with Alfredo. And when you're that in love with a person, you don't just meet a doctor and say, well, I think I'm going to go to Honduras. Let me write my husband a note. Let me write two of the same goodbye card and just give him that. He'll explain everything. Yeah. Kevin has a good point here.

After examining the letter and speaking with her friends and family, Detective Valadez was convinced that the letter was not from Cecilia. Whoever typed this letter knew more about Alfredo's side of the family rather than knowing very much about Cecilia's side of the family. And so his best guess was that Cecilia's disappearance was not by her own will. He believed that there was a third party involved. In fact, six months before she disappeared, Cecilia received an odd phone call from a still unidentified woman who may have been that third party. This part is weird.

So Cecilia is pregnant. And according to her, according to her friend, Cammie, actually, is the person who tells us about this, she gets a call from a woman who had a videotape of Alfredo kissing another woman at a baby shower, is what she said. And nothing gets you a turnt. Like a baby shower. Yeah, no kidding. He's really horned up. He was like, let's make some more babies, baby. So the woman wanted... That's the most vile thing I've ever said. I love how that didn't even... I just kept going. You were like, yep. Yep. That's probably what he thought. That was the theme of the baby shower. He was making more babies. Honestly, that's a good theme. Baby shower slash orgy. Yeah. You know how, like...

Bachelorette parties have all the dicks and stuff. Yeah. I feel like that should be a baby shower. What if you went to a baby shower and it was dick themed? You didn't know. You didn't know. You walk in. You're all cute. You're a little open. Yeah. You're wearing a sundress. There's one of those balloon arches. You know, you see them on Instagram, but it's got like dick balloons in it. You're just like, huh. They probably didn't realize that. It looks like dicks. And then you go inside. There's a little dick straws and like the mimosas. Dick cake.

Actually, we should not give people ideas. People post the weirdest pregnancy announcement photos. I'm sure people know what I'm talking about. A pinch of daddy. Stir it up. Our breeder's okay. No. The straights are not okay. I'll speak for the straight community. Something is horribly wrong. Yeah, it's really true. Okay, so there's this videotape of apparently him kissing another woman at a baby shower. Was it Cecilia's baby shower?

That's vile. I feel like it was not clear in the episode. Was it her baby shower? I don't know. I don't know, but the woman wanted her to see it and wanted to arrange a meeting, but then never called her back and the matter was apparently forgotten. Then, a few weeks before Cecilia disappeared, she got another mysterious call. This one was from a woman who claimed to work with Alfredo. This is extremely confusing, but Cecilia confided in her friend that the woman said that they wanted to give Alfredo a baby shower at his work. Okay. Which is, I mean, nice. I guess something I've really never heard of before, but... Men don't typically get work baby showers. No.

I mean, they should. They should. It's great. I mean, more gifts, the better. But, like, that's not something I've ever heard of. But anyway, so she says that apparently the woman claimed to Cecilia that they wanted to throw him a baby shower and that she had some baby furniture that she wanted Cecilia to pick out, a piece of the furniture, but to keep it secret because the shower was going to be a surprise. So I think she was, like, calling to be like, look, we're going to give him some furniture. We want to make sure that you like it and it'll be a surprise for him. Don't tell him, which honestly is smart and something that you should probably do. But then police learned after the call that there had...

had not been made by alfredo's co-worker and the baby shower had not in fact been planned um but by then it was too late according to cammy cecilia disappeared the same day she was supposed to meet with the lady who called about the baby shower so detectives are convinced that this is not coincidence um however they still do have questions about alfredo's behavior um i kind of don't i i i understand why he would be the prime suspect obviously but it was really like not that much evidence just based on his behavior i'm not seeing it seemed like everyone they knew thought they had a good relationship she they said that She seemed genuinely in love with him. I just, I don't think, I think he really thought he was left. Yeah. I don't know. I'm buying it. Maybe I shouldn't. Let's look up the Unsolved Mysteries. You know, unfortunately, because she was so pregnant, what this reminds me of is that case on I Survived, where the pregnant woman has contact with someone because their packages get switched or something. And then they steal the baby.

She goes to this woman's house. She's, like, talked to her a couple times. She seems perfectly normal. She goes to her house to get some, like, I think, like, some package accidentally got sent there or something, right? And then the woman attacks. She's, like, in the house, and she realizes there's all these pictures of famous people, but the eyes are, like, scratched out. And then the woman was faking her pregnancy and trying to steal this woman's baby. I didn't even think about that, but that's...

It's this weird... It's the fact that she got these phone calls from a woman that makes me think that she seems to have been lured. And they're baby-related, too. Yeah, that makes me really suspicious. The only thing is, like, why steal this? So, I feel like this was a little bit glossed over in the episode, but her son was also stolen. Like, her son has also disappeared. Renee, her... I think she was eight, maybe? Maybe the person didn't expect her to bring the son, though. Right. Yeah, that could be. So, the other side of the mystery is Wiki doesn't have a very satisfying... This is so sad.

This is still unsolved. Investigators did later determine that Alfredo was having an extramarital affair around the same time Cecilia and Renee disappeared. He is still considered a person of interest in the case. If Cecilia is still alive, she would be 57 years old. She was born in El Salvador and speaks with a Latin accent. If Renee is still alive, he would be 31. And that's it. I mean, I guess the fact that he's having an affair is more suspicious. Maybe he wanted to get rid of his wife, but...

I don't know. The phone call part is very strange. Yeah, that's the part that's weird. Okay. Now I have an amnesia case, and we haven't had one of those in a while. It's been a while since we've had an amnesia. Yeah, it's been a little while. This is the mystery woman of Autobahn Park, which is a park in New Orleans. This woman woke up in the park with no knowledge of who she was or how she got there. She just had a vague notion that her name might be Gigi. Guess what? It's not. Other than that, she knew nothing.

Yikes. So for some reason, we see this other woman interview Gigi. I don't know if this segment just already existed. And on some of the news, she was like, yep, great. That's the impression I got. This was for the local news. And they were like, we'll just take that. So we see a reporter named Susan Rosgan interview Gigi six months after this incident where she wakes up in the park. This is quite odd. We see the items that she had on her person at the time. Now, the reporter asks, how did you know these things were yours? And she was like, I just assumed. I woke up. There was this bag next to me. There's no one else around. I assumed this is the stuff that belonged to me. But she has no personal identity.

personally identifying information of any kind. She doesn't have a driver's license or credit cards or checks or anything. What she does have is four pairs of scissors, a gold-plated table setting, UPS personnel notices that only people that work there would have, bank deposit envelopes that would be used in the northeastern United States, so not near New Orleans at all, 26 tubes of lipstick. That's too much lipstick. 24 lip liners. I think you'd have 26, but okay. Yeah, way to match, Gigi. And dozens of other cosmetics.

so they show us these items on unsolved mysteries in case this is a clue to her real identity um the police had failed to match up any corresponding mrs cases missing persons cases to gg and they also had one parent gave her so-called truth serum but that did not bring back any of her memories um we talk see from her doctor who believes that her amnesia is authentic because she has been like very actively involved in trying to figure out who she is. That he did not think this was like a woman who, I don't know. Why would you fake amnesia? I don't know. Just to like start over, I guess. This doctor has quite the mustache. Quite. It is huge. It is the thickness of five regular mustaches. I called it one whale of a mustache. Nice. Because it's one hell of a mustache and it kind of reminds me of a whale and that's how my mind works. Okay. So he points out that someone went through a lot of effort to remove any identification from her purse before leaving her in the park. And he also found it quite weird that like her handbag and her wallet are like brand new.

And there's, like, there's no, like, receipts or, like, it doesn't look like a purse you would actually have been, like, using. Right. If you're someone who carries around 26 lipsticks, you use your purse. Right. Like, you would have, like, they couldn't, like, go through and, like, be like, oh, she was at, you know, Walmart at this time. Like, there was nothing. There was no receipts. Were the lipsticks new? They looked new in the segment. Okay. All of this bullshit looked new. That's weird. It's very weird. Maybe she was shoplifting. Maybe. Okay. Anyway, it was believed that her amnesia is a result of witnessing a traumatic event, is what the doctor said. Okay. I don't know how you possibly know that, but.

I guess it was not head trauma. Sure. Okay. You could probably rule that out. So they were like, probably she saw something and her brain just like shut down, which is horrifying to think. Yeah. It had been very bad. This very random selection of items kind of makes me wonder if before she had amnesia, her brain was not working properly already. Yeah. And she was like, I've got to get the important things. And like, this is what she assembled. But I also do sort of buy that someone took away her like actual wallet and identifying information. Right. You think you would have that. Right. Anyway. So this was on Unsolved Mysteries in the hopes that someone would recognize Gigi. And people did.

Several viewers watching the original broadcast recognize Gigi as actually being Belinda Lynn from Wilmington, Delaware. It is still a mystery how she got to New Orleans and what caused her amnesia. Wow. Which is fucking terrifying to me. Also, I can't really find an update on this. I hope you're doing well, Belinda Lynn. I loved her dress that she's wearing. She's wearing this very Wednesday Addams dress in her interview. Love it. This is terrifying. It really is. I hope this never happens to me. I hate it. Yeah, I do too. I mean, sometimes...

I feel like we've seen cases of amnesia where you can see why the person might come up with this. If they had made it up, they were the guy who stole the paperclip from his work and then started over with a new life. Or there was another theft. There was a guy with a frozen food theft that may or may not have had amnesia. But she got nothing out of this. No. And she seemed genuinely like, I don't know what the fuck I'm supposed to do now. Like, where am I supposed to go? Right. How am I supposed to live my life?

What is my life? Yeah. This is terrifying. This sucked for her. I don't even understand where she was saying like when this was filmed. She doesn't seem to have any money. No. She's literally like must have had to go to the police station and be like, hi, maybe my name's Gigi. I don't know what the fuck's going on. God.

Can't buy anything with all these lipsticks. Yeah. Do you want 26 lipsticks and 24 lipstyners and gold pleated silverware? So weird. Very odd. That's genuinely very creepy and mysterious. Yes. Okay. We have one last one. All right. This is a last love. This is a unique last love. It's interesting. So Bob Coleman is searching for information about his father, Richard Coleman's mysterious past.

So by all accounts, Richard was a fairly ordinary man who lived an uneventful life. He worked as a vending machine mechanic in Washington, D.C. and had served in the military and married in 1947. Bob, his son, was born two years later. Bob's fondest memory of his father involved their love of baseball. Bob remembers him and his father playing baseball in the front yard. Richard Coleman passed away in 1961 when Bob was only 11.

So hard. A short time after he passed, Bob began looking through an old trunk under his parents' bed. The very 11-year-old thing to do. Also, the most unsolved mysteries things. An old trunk. A kid is like, I decided to go through the trunk in the attic and I found a scrapbook of a person that looked exactly like me. It's very true.

Inside were Richard's war mementos. When Bob asked his mother about it, she said the most cryptic thing imaginable, which is that she claimed that Richard did not like to talk about the army because he did something bad. I think in the reenactment she said something he wasn't proud of. Yeah, don't say that. Yeah, that doesn't evoke good things. Bob's mother did not... Oh, your father firebombed a village. I just want to talk about it. Bob's mother did not say much else about the subject. 14 years later, in 1975, Bob again looked in the trunk.

I found the update on Gigi. Okay. It's solved. Viewers tips led Gigi to being possibly identified as 31-year-old medical secretary named Belinda Lynn from Wilmington, Delaware. However, it was later learned from relatives that she had been diagnosed as schizophrenic and that she had done something similarly to that in the past. Okay. And according to Unsolved Mysteries Wiki, it is now believed she faked her amnesia.

Is it fake? I mean, we don't know that. I mean, maybe it wasn't real amnesia, but she could have believed it. Yeah. If she was having a mental illness related episode. Yeah. That kind of makes sense. Yeah, it does make sense actually. Belinda, I hope you're doing well wherever you are. Yeah, man. Okay. So I'm glad we have. I like that Unsolved Mysteries Wiki doesn't put it under her real name. They put it under just Gigi. That's where I couldn't find it. Unsolved Mysteries Wiki. Come on. She has a name. It's a cool name. Belinda. Yeah. Her name was not Gigi. Why are you filing it under that? Anyway, go on. Oh my gosh. So.

look we're once all mysteries wiki is crowdsource we can only expect so much yeah we appreciate that as a valuable resource okay so yeah so bob's mother didn't say much about it 14 years past and bob decides to again look in the trunk he looked at his father's uniform and noticed that it had a pin that meant his father was a doctor in the army this reminded bob of an incident during his childhood in which his mother had been cleaning the blinds when she suddenly badly cut her hand bob remembers that his father ran in and like immediately took control of the situation applying pressure he knew to have her like lay down and elevate her hand and like um this led Bob to believe that his father did have knowledge of the medical field. He just acted like a doctor. So Bob couldn't understand why his father would abandon the medical field to become a vending machine mechanic. When he looked at more items in the trunk, he found several medals from the First World War, even though he thought that his father had only fought in the Second World War. Bob found another item from the First World War, a certificate which had several items written over, including the name. This suggested that Richard had written the name Richard Coleman over his real name. I didn't realize what the thing you could do. You could just like white out your old name and write in your new one.

The same envelope that held the letter also had a sheet with the same names and numbers written over and over. These names and numbers were used to replace the previous names and numbers on the certificate. After checking with the Veterans Administration, Bob learned that the certificate belonged to another man. Bob also learned that there was no record of Richard Coleman serving in the Army Medical Corps in either the First or Second World War. No one by the name of Richard Coleman. Bob then remembered something else from his childhood. When his father was on his deathbed in the hospital, he asked his father if anyone else had visited him. Richard said no, and Bob asked why his brothers or sisters hadn't come to see him. Bob's parents then changed the subject.

Normal. Okay, Unsolved Mysteries is really here to tell you, be upfront with your children. Yes. Don't make things into mysteries. People knew what was going on. They could have just told him. He didn't need to go on Unsolved Mysteries. People end up haunted by this shit. Yes. Because you didn't tell them that, yeah, I don't know, they have a half sibling you lost custody of or whatever. If there's some shameful thing, eventually you just got to tell them. You don't want them going on national television begging strangers to be like, why was my dad so weird? Why was everyone so shady on his deathbed? Why was he writing over official documents with different names?

Bob found one more item in the trunk. It was a roster supplement from a New York City gun club. It listed Richard as a member in 1944 and stated that his occupation was, quote, special patrolman. From tax records, Bob learned that his father had been employed as a security guard at a bank in Manhattan from 1943 to 1945. However, the bank had no employment records for a Richard Coleman.

when bob researched his father's address from 1944 he discovered that his father may have lived with a quote alice coleman voting records stated that they were married and that she lived with richard coleman however he could not find any marriage records for them bob's mother passed away in 1983 without giving him any clues of his father's past i mean come on just tell him particularly after the father okay so the father doesn't want to admit whatever he dies yeah just tell your son seriously tell your son bob believes that his father may have done something in his past that he regretted richard coleman did identify his parents as David Coleman and Adelaide Cooper. He listed both Massachusetts and Montana as his birthplace. Bob hopes to find his father's family and determine why he covered up his identity. So this is solved. And surprise, surprise, it's because he had a separate family that he abandoned. So in 2006, I mean, I guess I understand why he didn't want to admit that. But it seems like his parents knew. Could have told him. Yeah. Bob Coleman searched through World War II draft registration cards on Ancestry.com and found one for his father, which gave Richard's birth date as September 12th.

1895 and his place of birth as Everett, Massachusetts. He then searched through the draft cards from World War I using his father's birth date and place of birth. He found one record. I can't believe that he did all this. He found one record for a Coleman Joel DeCorte and the signatures between the two draft cards were identical. Through census records, Bob was able to locate his father's parents, seven siblings, first wife, son, two daughters, and several cousins. Unfortunately, most of these relatives have since passed away. However, he was able to get in contact with several half nieces and nephews and cousins, along with his half brother's wife. Bob learned that his father was a policeman and man in Massachusetts and had first married.

in 1915 later he and his first wife went through a nasty divorce one day coleman walked away from his family and never returned oh my god since this discovery bob and his sister have been reunited with several of their late father's family members so yep i feel like this is something a lot of people are learning through like the dna um ancestry and whatever those other ones are 23 and me so you go like oh shit he had so had like a whole other family family and now three kids he just walked away from It's just sad that clearly this guy was longing for more of a family connection, and that was kept from him. Yes. For what? Yeah. The man's dead. After he's dead, there's no reason he doesn't hear it. Yeah. I mean, I guess people feel shame, but... It's not their shame. No. It's his, and he died with it. Yeah.

I can understand that the guy didn't want to be like, look, I completely abandoned these other kids, but I'm not going to do that to you, pal. I kind of get that. Well, he's probably not a nice person. I mean, I'm just going to say, what? You don't think he's a stand-up guy? Okay, that brings us to the end of the episode, though. That's it. We got to rate it. Okay, so mysteriousness is our first category. Oh, so mysterious. Yeah. This episode is mysterious in a way that...

Episodes have not been lately. It's true. It's true. Thumbs way up. I don't know about Noreen. That's the only outlier here. Okay, it's not mysterious, but it's funny. Not this category, but that's fine. Our podcast, we make the rules. Yeah, fair enough. No, but the other stuff is so mysterious, though. And Noreen didn't help solve those cases, so she kept them mysterious.

True. We're stopping the mystery by not helping the police at all. Fair enough. The mystery is why do they give so much money to this woman? Yeah, yeah. Why is this not considered a fraud segment? Why will police literally pay a psychic before they actually solve a crime? Yeah, yeah. That's a mystery. So yeah, thumbs up. What about that t-shirt I sent you today that said, this is from the Twitter account, which, R.I.P. Twitter, you're on the way out. We'll all miss you. This is what Twitter has given us. This is what Elon Musk is taking from us.

paid so much money and now I'm not gonna be able to enjoy accounts like t-shirts that go hard which had this t-shirt that said it's easy to love you and it had two teddy bears hugging and then below it it said because you're not a cop I want this on a greeting card for for Valentine's Day this year or you could just and then inside it says also you're dumped it's easy to love you because you're not a cop however I am leaving you my friend Sarah she's totally real and we're moving away um okay wait what's the next category uh reenactments are you fine Nothing really stands out for me. And honestly, there wasn't a lot of action in this one. I feel like the missing persons was just a pregnant lady sitting on a chair taking a phone call. So...

I mean, it's not a lie. That's true. It's just not a lot of action. Thumbs down. Fashion. Okay, I really liked Gigi's dress. Her name is really Belinda. The mullet. Okay, we did get a mullet. We haven't gotten a mullet in a while, I feel like. And that doctor's whale of a mustache was pretty impressive. I'm going to say this is a hesitant thumbs up. The fashion has been on the decline for a while now. As we've gone through time, you know, we're approaching to the 2000s. We're in the 2000s, if not, you know, getting there. And I feel like the fashion is just on its way down. Yeah, I don't know exactly where we are. So the bar is low and a mullet and one mustache is going to carry this category today.

like it's approaching up yeah um robert stack i liked the sanctuary he was in he could have been in more though agreed let's give him a thumbs down but yeah teach him to teach him a lesson You better step it up next episode. Yeah. Our Robert's Dex rating. I did like this one. I think this is a good one. Because there's just some new stuff. You know, we haven't had amnesia in a while. We got a lost love. We got a lost love. No unnecessary update. It's not all brutal murders. There's some sad stuff, but it's not so sad that you want to die. There's some real mystery. Yeah. In some of these. So why would you pack 26 lipsticks and 24 lip liners? Yes. Quite a mystery. So I'm going to say a four. I think it's a four. It's not a 4.5, but I think it's a four. It's a pretty solid four, though. Yeah.

I enjoyed it. I recommend it. Okay, you have to watch it to see Noreen tell you that no one knows how brains work. And then I say, do you even know how your own brain works? No, Noreen, I fucking don't, but it doesn't mean no one does.

Do you fully understand the speed of light? No. Well, then it doesn't exist. That's Norian's logic. Oh, my God. All right. So we're going to end with some recommendations. Are we? Do you have recommendations? First of all, we have a recommendation update, which is that the full... You know how this used to just be secretly a Baraska fan podcast? Yes. Well, I wish it was again. But the second season of Baraska is now fully out. Okay. So if you're a binger...

I was listening to it week by week because I needed it. I needed it. I was so excited for it to come back. And I had such a wonderful experience listening to it and anticipating the next episode. But now they're all out, including the last episode, which was a two-parter. So be sure to listen to that on Repod, everyone.

and leave your little comments and I will probably see them and we can chat about it. It's not the twisted mind fuck that season one was. I don't know that it brings quite the spookiness. Got it. But if you were into that story, you're going to get some closure. There are some new twists. There are some explanations of stuff that happened in the first season that maybe you're like, what the fuck was that? You guys spent some more time with the characters. Okay. I really did enjoy it. It's probably not as good as season one, but it's solid. I did, being me, already know kind of what was going to happen because I read the story.

So Baraska is written by Rebecca Klingle, who writes under the pen name. I think it's C.K. Walker. Something like that. Something like that. Anyway, so she has like four books of short stories out. And Baraska and Baraska part two were in those books. So I already sort of knew what was going to happen, but they added in some other stuff. But the Hayao production is just like. Yeah.

So definitely listen with headphones. I've been, like, listening, like, in a dark room with headphones. Like, no distractions. Okay. To really get the full, like, I am in the woods running for my life, like, feel. And it's been really great. And I hope that QCode does more podcasts with Rebecca Klingel because she can fucking write those twists where I'm like, holy shit. Nice. She also worked on Hunting of Hill House and Hunting of Blind Manor on Netflix if people watch those. And there's certain twists in those shows that I was like, oh, that's definitely her. Like, you can just, like, tell that that's, like, her stamp of something being, like, truly.

Fucked up. We're like, I bet that was Rebecca. I know it. Anyway, so that's out now. Oh, also, people. I think that the Repod, which is the only app with the decency, honesty, bravery. Integrity. Yeah, to give us money. They have their own chart. And I have a sneaking suspicion that the chart is based solely on likes per episode. So definitely, first of all, download the Repod app. Yes. Follow our podcast. Look for me, Liz, just out there using the podcast. But if you like our individual episodes, I think that's how they chart. I want us to get us a number one. And I think it's doable. Because.

If we get to number one, we can say that we are the number one Unsolved Mysteries Rewatch podcast. We can say we're the number one podcast on the Repod app, and that sounds amazing. So please, please, please go in and like individual episodes. If you're hooking up with someone tonight, get on their phone, download the Repod app. Get Repod. Sign them up. Go in and like. Like it. And then leave a comment that's like, oh my god, I can't believe these women are so beautiful and also so funny. Something like that. Like, I've never heard such majestic voices, and also their insights are brilliant, and I wish I could be their best friend. Stuff like that. Like, just normal things you would say.

Things you're thinking anyway. Just type it out in a comment on one of our episodes. Get us some engagement on this app and then we can say we're the number one. I want to be number one. I want to. I cannot tell you how much I want to be number one. We can get there. I know it. Come on. Come on, five listeners. You've been so loyal to us so far. I'm just asking for one more thing before I ask for other things. I was going to say, this isn't going to be the last thing we asked for, but right now, this is what we're asking for. Yeah, exactly. You can do it. You can do it. Also, people need to be using this feature where you can make an audio clip.

I think it's so fun, and no one ever seems to use it. You can also, like, share it in other things. Like, I put it in my Instagram story. Okay, so in Nebraska, the main character's last name is Walker, which is my last name, if you don't know. And in the second season, that gets kind of creepy. And so I made this clip of this person going, like, I'm a Walker. And I don't know, it was fucking hilarious. I was like, this is how I introduce myself from now on. Clip our soundbites. Yeah. Remember what wave files? I fucking loved. I fucking loved setting up my computer to have, like, different wave files happen when, like, my computer error message used to be Ewan McGregor going, oh, for fuck's sake.

It's great. It's so great. Okay, anyway. I am going to do a TV recommendation to close this out. Nice. Because I realized that I feel like I'm always watching this show when we're not recording. Okay. So I somehow have not recommended it. Yeah. And that's Reservation Dogs on Hulu. It's a half hour show. It takes place on a reservation in Oklahoma. It's about a friendship group of indigenous teenagers. And it's filmed entirely in Oklahoma. And it's so funny, but also it's like, I've never watched something that so well blends like serious stuff and comedic stuff. Just like. Oh.

It's just so well done. All of the characters are super charming and you'll love them. It's like a very different perspective than anything else I've seen on television. And it's just really fucking charming. Okay. I highly recommend it. The writing is great. The acting is great. It's very well made. And it's really not like anything else. And I don't hear people talking about it enough. So that's on Hulu. I think it's only on Hulu. So if you don't have Hulu, you know.

Go hook up with someone that does. Steal their Hulu password after you download Repod on their phone. Exactly. And then send them, I'm done hooking up with you with greeting cards. I already got your Hulu password. Goodbye. Yes. We have a lot of advice for people hooking up, for people that have been married.

For such good advice. We have really great advice about how to get out there. Anyway. I have a question. Yeah, yeah. About a TV show, a Netflix show, which is, I'm pretty sure that this food competition show that keeps getting recommended to me called Easy Bake is like, they have to make stuff with like, I don't know, like box. It's like using an Easy Bake oven. Is it actually using an Easy Bake oven? I think so. Or is it just using like powdered cake mix? No, I think it's using an Easy Bake oven. Okay, I'm going to watch it then. We could have just...

watched an episode but instead we were just like looking at the preview trying to decide if they're actually using like a light bulb to cook their food I sort of feel like so Trixie Mattel on her YouTube channel has done like a whole series of like buying old easy bake ovens and trying to make stuff and I think they just kind of stole it okay not that I'm saying Trixie Mattel invented the easy bake oven but I think those videos got a lot of views and then they they kind of monopolized on that interesting see I was trying to decide without actually having to invest any time in watching the show whether it was actually an easy bake oven competition show or if they were just using like stuff that is like easy like easy meals you know like I don't know a box whatever yeah like yeah like elevating a lean cuisine You can make the best lean cuisine. Oh, only in the United States. It was just like one of those moments where like, remember when our parents got us a light bulb and we cooked cakes with it? It's not as funny as the fucking creepy crawlers oven. That's true. Which is literally, they had to stop selling that because that goo is so toxic. It was literally giving your children, which we had one. Mom and dad. My brother loved that thing like nothing else. You took toxic plastic goo. You poured it in a metal pan. You put it in over a light bulb until it got hot enough to cook plastic.

And I had to stop selling it because of all the horrible fumes. Toxic fumes. Yeah. My brother loved making me cute little polka dotted purple bugs and stuff. Baby crawlers, yes. I think I have one in my garage. And I was like, my brother found it at a thrift store. And I was like, oh, we can make the bugs again. And it's like, no, because you can fucking not buy that goo. It's like banned by whoever.

The government will, like, come to your house and confiscate it if you get the goo. Confiscate your creepy crawler oven. Yeah. They're like, absolutely not. This is a toxic waste hazard. Excuse me, ma'am. We got a tip that you had a creepy crawler oven in here. There was a creepy crawler cartoon. And on the cartoon, they literally used the oven. That's how, like, just an ad. It was like, how will we make things to save the day? I know. The creepy crawler oven. Amazing. Oh, memories. Incredible. All right. I think that wraps it up for today. Everyone, don't use that creepy crawler oven. It's going to give you cancer.

We're going to become overwhelmed by the fumes. Yeah. You will get amnesia like Gigi. Oh, God. Maybe that. You'll wake up in a park with 36 lipsticks. Maybe that's what happened. I bet they never looked into it. Maybe she was using a creamy color. I still want to know. Woke up in New Orleans. Yeah, from Delaware, wherever she was from. I still want to know how she ended up there. That's wild. Oh, poor Belinda. Damn. Poor Belinda and her mental health issues. I hope that got worked out. Anyway.

Wow. Okay, so you're downloading Repod. You're trying to get us to number one. Do it. Do it. Think how funny that will be if we are the number one podcast on something. Think about it. Remember when we were like 21 in Finland? Even that was funny. Extremely. One of the funniest things I've ever had. Anything else? Patreon. Give us money. Yeah, give us money on Patreon, especially if you want to hear our thoughts about the new reboot episodes. We're going to have thoughts, I'm sure. Our latest episode is about the worst episode of Bones. Which was bad. Not kind of like in the way we expected. It was more just like very offensive. I do keep thinking about how bad it is.

burned into my mind now I mean yeah the Rotten Tomatoes whoever goes on there to rate things was not wrong it is real bad extremely bad and we talked about it on patreon so if you give us a dollar you're gonna be able to hear about it um okay oh also for black friday we'll do a merch sale and that can just start whenever this episode drops okay and you can get 20 off with the code trains why because we're into trains now we love trains we love trains so put that in to get 20 off t-shirts and stuff for the rest of november and you can go to perhaps you.com forward slash merch right look go to perhaps you.com click on merch and it'll be there maybe it's spelled wrong yeah also spelling is not for me It's fine. You'll get there. No, I don't think I will. I meant they'll get to our website. Not that you'll get better at spelling. We can't count on that. The ship is long gone. Yeah, I don't know. Follow us on the social medias. We'll be on Twitter until the ship finally goes down. I'm having a great time watching that burn. We're on the deck of the Titanic playing our violins. Yeah. We're going down with the ship.

So yeah, perhaps it's you. We're on Instagram too. I've actually been updating that lately for once. You can join our Facebook group. Facebook, as far as I can tell, isn't sinking. It already kind of did. It's like half underwater. It's going down, but slower. The groups are fun. We're still in there. So you can go in there and share your thoughts. If you clip a repod clip, I don't know if you can share it in a Facebook group, but do that. That would be fun. Yeah, your favorite moment from this episode. Let us know. Is that it? I think so. Okay, let's just go. All right, we're going to eat some more of these cherry Hershey's Kisses. We got to go. Bye, everyone. Bye.