okay hello hello five listeners meeting wong gather around it's time for perhaps it's you your favorite unofficial unsolved mysteries rewatch podcast here to make the internet just a little bit worse like everything else This is the internet. We were just discussing how the internet is rapidly declining, so we're here to do our part. Right, Samantha? Right. At the top of the show, I want to make sure that I thank listeners Amelia and Jen N, who both sent us holiday gifts. Samantha hasn't seen them yet, so I'm not going to say what they are. She doesn't get them until Saturday. She doesn't get them for a couple days. But thank you very much. That's super sweet. The timing of our episodes didn't work out for us to thank you before the holidays, but know that you're appreciated.
yes we did get them we do appreciate them just so everyone knows we keep all the stuff that you sent we have a giant shadow box right next to me as i record this have you ever posted a picture of the shadow box on instagram it's been a while i should because i make an updated it's been updated yeah there's also a shelf because the shadow box cannot contain everything anymore and i also have a binder for like letters and it's not even everything because i have stuff at my house right so it's not even everything that we have been sent by our lovely listeners so just know any of the stuff we've eaten i mean yeah there's been a lot of that or baby's first mead who remembers baby's first mead um so even if you didn't get the shout out and appreciation that you really deserved for your like a lot of these presents are handmade and i'm sure took like really a lot of time um just know that we do appreciate them we keep them around we gaze upon their beauty we love them we feel loved that's why we keep making this stupid thing because otherwise like yeah i said something to mac i don't even know why it was like oh i gotta sit down and take notes on this because you know i'm such a baby mac was sort of like well you gotta finish it at this point is this a sunk cost fallacy like do we we put so much time and resources into this thing that now we have to get to the he was like yeah he was like well you just gotta do the whole show it's gonna take us like a decade at this point i mean we do an episode every other week but we take so many breaks so many hiatuses like we're never we're gonna be dead before we can finish this thing too bad you're stuck talking to me for that whole time damn
when he said that i was sort of like oh wow i guess you're right i hadn't even really thought because everybody's always like what are you gonna do when you run out of mysteries and i'm like oh my god that's never gonna happen this podcast finally is what we're gonna do and i've like been like oh maybe we'll do like you know more like patreon content we'll just talk about random stuff and it's just like let's just try to get through this immediately nope we will be done i will hang up my podcasting hat what are you talking about too funny okay uh so we are on do we have any updates i really don't know i was trying to think about any flag updates but i really don't think i do we talked about them all our last episode so we have a flag now and it's better and uh i don't know i don't know if any racist losers got the seal tattooed on their cheek like i suggested so we know who they are but i hope they're considering that they have their appointments booked you know what particularly in this in the twin cities like a point i feel like tattoo artists are booked out so it might you're right it might take a while this time next year we'll see them everywhere and then we'll go i'm avoiding you I don't, I was going to come up with like some stereotypical name. I don't even know what that would be. Chad? Yeah. Bubba or something. Are people in Minnesota named Bubba? I don't think so. I've got to meet a Bubba. I don't know. Are you telling me to hang out in places where Bubbas would hang out? I, look, maybe being a Bubba could get along, but it's yet to happen. I've never, I've never dated a Bubba. I don't think I've ever met a Bubba. You know, Bubbas. Are you listening? Get in touch. Perhaps it's you podcast, Gmail.com. Justice for Bubbas.
Let us know what's up with you. Where do you live? What are you into? What injustice has been perpetrated against Bubba's? Yeah. How do you feel about the new Minnesota flag? I think we know. Hey, I'm trying not to judge. I'm trying to open a dialogue. You're like, we know. Samantha's not just me. Just open a dialogue with me. Samantha's busy.
Well, look, we somehow made it to season eight, episode 10, without learning one thing about podcasting and learning very little about unsolved mysteries. And I think that's a remarkable achievement. So do I. Particularly for a podcast in the top 1% of podcasts worldwide. Ha! They said it couldn't be done. And they should have been right. But they were wrong. Samantha, you start off this week. Yeah, we got another mystery-packed episode. So this is a, I'm not going to say local because it's from northern Minnesota, but we got a Minnesota mystery. I did appreciate that we...
There's a meme that's just like Minnesota mentioned and like someone's really excited because I don't know, Minnesota doesn't come up that often unless you listen to this podcast. But I was like, oh, yeah, even though it's about a woman almost freezing to death. In a city in Minnesota I've never heard of. No, this is a paranormal or a Psymed? I don't fucking know. I think it's a miracle. A miracle. Okay. Yeah, you're right. This is the power of prayer. This is the ice woman. That's bold. That's fucking what they called it.
i know i'm just saying i'm not saying you're being bold i'm saying it's bold to call this woman like i'm glad she's fine okay if she in real life looked like she did in the reenactment she is ice woman okay she looked like she was carved out of an ice cube i'm really watching it out loud went oh my god Because, yeah, it's like an ice sculpture. Shocking. I interrupted. Go on. December 20th, 1980. A bitterly cold morning in Langby, Minnesota. Somewhere up north. I have no idea where this is. A man opened his back door to find his 19-year-old neighbor, Jean Hillard, laying in the snow. She was literally frozen solid, is what Robert's text says. That is such a fucking night. I was thinking about this. Like, say I was expecting you to come over. We have to record or something. You're forced to see me. And, yeah, you just, like, never show up. And I'm, like, texting you. I'm calling you. I can't get a hold of you.
Oh, my God. Damn. What happened, Samantha? And then eventually I open my door and I find you frozen solid. It's just like Jack Frost breathed on me. That's what I look like. I'm just like at your back door. Frozen in the act of reaching for your doorknob. You're like a statue. Like, I'm like, oh, I don't know where Samantha is, but I got all my dogs out there whining and being annoying. And I go to open the door. And then, yeah, there's you as a statue trying to get in my house. Literally, your lips are open because you're trying to go, Liz, help me. But it froze. Oh, no. I hate it. It is actually a nightmare. And the reenactment, I mean, honestly, you have to watch it. It's shocking. It will make you take.
Hypothermia very seriously, is what I'm going to say. So the night before, Jean's car had ran off the road and gotten stuck. Jean was trying desperately to reach her neighbor's house. The temperature was 25 degrees below zero. She tells us that she was worried about carbon monoxide poisoning, which is something you should be concerned about if you are stranded in the winter. But I think you just have to make sure that your tailpipe is clear. I think you can stay in your car. I don't think you need to go. She had no coat on. She was not dressed for the temperatures. She was being very brazen about it. She was just like, I've always lived with this cold. Who cares? She didn't even think about it. It was very episodic.
she was just like cold who gives a fuck and it's like well that does literally kill people but i mean this seems like a remote area she obviously didn't have cell phones in 1980 um i'm not sure that she like had a lot of other options so you know i probably would have done the same thing in her position yeah i think i would have tried to make it too that's maybe not the smartest move also i think we've talked about this before and like everything i don't know what the fuck i'm talking about but i feel like carbon monoxide poisoning and cars used to be more of a problem than it is today i feel like today you could probably stay in your car and it would be fine but i do think it used to be we've there was there's some other case where we talked about this we're so interesting yeah i know you just like if you go off the road into a ditch you just like you have to dig out your tailpipe uh make sure that periodically you check it i think to make sure it's not like getting frozen over or like there's not snow in it i think that's like listen do not take my word for it google it next time you're stuck in a ditch but um yeah i think you can't you don't need to like immediately evacuate your car just because you're it's freezing although if your car is like dead and the heat doesn't work i mean i'm sure there's you should have like a first aid kit or something in your car i don't know
Living in Minnesota my entire life, do I have literally anything in my car that would help me in an emergency? No. Of course not. Do I have one of those emergency blankets? No. I'm looking at Snopes right now for a fat check, and it says, can you get carbon monoxide poisoning from sitting in a Snowden car? And it says, be sure to clear the exhaust pipe before running your car after a snowstorm. So you were correct. There you go. So she could have stayed in her car. Although, you know, would anyone have come around to get her before she ran out of gas? Maybe not. So she, at any rate, decided she knew where her neighbor was. She was going to try and walk to her neighbor's house. But it was freezing that night, and she was not dressed for the weather.
Her neighbor, upon finding her, actually, this was Dorothy Killian, who was the nurse at the local hospital she was brought to, said that she was so cold, it was like reaching into a freezer and picking out a frozen stick of wood. That's so disturbing. I know. Her face was white. Also, who was reaching into a freezer and picking out a frozen stick of wood? Weird analogy. I feel like frozen meat would have made more sense. What? Maybe it's a northern Minnesota thing. I do not know. She's like, oh, good. The firewood's ready. Put it in the freezer. Maybe it's because she was so stiff. I don't know. Yeah, yeah.
i'm just being a jerk it does paint a picture so she wasn't dead but it seems like she was close to dead they hooked her up to a monitor and they got like one heartbeat um like literally just one uh but after like sitting there for a minute they suddenly got two heartbeats um but then they thought it was kind of like almost like a death rhythm like her her heart was like not beating consistently or whatever um we hear from a dr ryan kelly who was called in um and says that she was severely frostbitten none of her limbs would bend or move and they dr ryan kelly is quoted as saying things looked grim yeah no shit yeah thank you thanks doc so we're explain a little bit about like what frostbite means hypothermia means i hated learning this so ice crystals literally form in the cells and in doing so they destroy those cells that they're inside of i guess like on some level i knew this and i was probably taught this at some point i don't know but it just painted such a picture for me that's very gross to me it's disturbing i mean it makes sense why your limbs like turn black you know because your cells literally are dying as the ice crystals are forming in them so he says that the other thing that happens as your internal organs begin to cool it becomes harder and harder for them to function until they eventually just stop um and at that point the patient is very likely to die so she was getting close to this point um where her organs would soon shut down if not like they could have been in the process of shutting down
We should not live here. That's the last one. I mean, really, it's a very inhospitable place. So we hear from Rosie Erickson, who was a worker in the hospital, who was worried that no matter, like despite the fact that they were trying their best, that it wouldn't ultimately be enough. And Robert Stack is quoted as saying, she knew that Jean needed a miracle. So she is the one that called the pastor of her church and stated simply that Jean Hillard from the Langby area was brought into the hospital in a frozen condition, very critical, and she needs prayer.
Okay. Apparently, they got the blessing of the family. I assume the family was there. They asked if they could put on a prayer chain. And that started at 9 a.m. that morning. Within 10 minutes, we're told that more than 30 people were praying for Jean. That doesn't seem like that many. Apparently, it was enough to get God's attention. Is that rude of me to be like, that's your whole church? It might be half the town. I don't know. Yeah, you're right. That might be all the people they've ever met. That's like their whole graduating class. I don't know. What is the population of Langby, Minnesota? Let's see. Oh.
Guess what the population was for the 2021 census. 400. 90. In half the population. I did not see that coming. I'm like, couldn't they get more people? We're talking about a third of the fucking town. Wow. Okay. Also, if you Google Langby, Minnesota, this story is the third thing. Yeah, of course it is. What else has ever happened in Langby, Minnesota?
90 people. Oh my god. That is so funny. If anybody is from Langby, Minnesota, oh my god, please write in. If you're one of the 90, be part of the five. Perhaps it's podcastgmail.com. Incredible. So, well, it may not have seemed like a lot of people. Half the town was praying for Gene. Oh, I don't know why I'm laughing. It's just like, you know how when you talk about a small town, it's like either a stop sign town or a stop light town? This might not even have either. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. This is like, they're like a stop sign. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
La-di-da. We don't have everything in leg meat. We don't have your fancy schmancy. You go back to the cities with that kind of talk. So the odds against Jean were obviously enormous. However, two hours later, she suddenly went into violent convulsions, which sounds bad, but it was actually a good sign. The danger was far from over, however. Doctors worried that even if Jean regained consciousness, she might have serious brain damage. And the frostbite was so severe that amputating Jean's legs seemed inevitable.
But just when they were expecting the worst, Jean suddenly regained consciousness. She said that she woke up in the hospital around noon and that things were kind of hazy and people were asking her questions. And if the Unsolved Mysteries reenactment is correct, the doctor was literally saying, how many fingers am I holding up? So if you wear glasses, everyone who's ever done that to you, that's the experience that Jean had waking up from a coma. I also like that she was like, four, what is wrong with you? Why are you giving me this stupid test? Yes, I know what day it is. Hello.
So she couldn't figure out why they were talking to her that way or why they were treating her. She was like, I'm not a child. I can count fingers. Yeah. They were like, you know, who are you? What year it is? And she was like, of course I know who I am. What's the big deal? So that's like how immediately she was. Girl, you were like a piece of wood put in a freezer. I think that is not sad about many people.
So we hear from her sister who says that it was not only, and it was obviously a relief when she came to, but the most miraculous thing was that her legs committed full recovery. She didn't have any lasting damage. She didn't have to have any amputations. The frostbite seemed to clear up. No problem. In fact, they described the black of the frostbite sort of disappearing little by little. I don't know. They could almost see it dissipating. They kept lifting off the blanket to look at her legs and there would be a little bit less and a little bit less. There was visual progress of her legs healing, which is weird. Yep.
um so anyway i guess the mystery is did the power of prayer heal gene she says okay at the very end she says i'm happy for gene but i really take issue with the sentiment so here's the quote uh okay so robert sacks is gene credits her survival and astonishing recovery not only to the doctors and nurses who cared for her but also the friends and neighbors who prayed for her and this is her quote quote there are other people across the nation that same night that were found in the same condition i was and they died i just think that without all these people i may not have survived so fuck them Yeah, fuck them, I guess. Fuck those people. God didn't care about them. I don't know. They didn't get a third of their town praying for them, Samantha. That was their downfall. God is like, I'm busy saving Jean, okay? She put in the community outreach. The rest of y'all, I don't know what's gonna happen to you. I know. We've had mysteries like this before about the power of prayer, and we've said it before, but just the thought that God's up there being like, no one cares about you fuckers, you can die. Jean has 30 people praying for her, so I'm gonna save her instead. Yeah, that's not a God I would personally want to believe in, but to each their own, I suppose.
I mean, that's wild and great for her. And I don't know, maybe she'll put a stop sign in town. Jean, please put some warmer things in here. Do you think she has now a bunch of emergency shit in her car? Or do you think she's like, that won't happen again? I don't know. At the end, we find out that she does still live in Minnesota. Actually, I should look up that self-missory's wiki. I assume that she has an emergency kit in her car. She probably has a cell phone at this point. Or do you think she's like, what are the odds? That happens again? Yeah. That's my girl mouth. That's what I would probably say. I'm probably fine. I won't learn anything from this.
Yeah, you know, I mean, now that I know there are like 90 people in that town, I kind of understand why Shay tried to walk to her neighbor's house. Like, no one is going to come by. There's no updates in the Unsolved Mysteries wiki. Wait, we didn't find out if the power of prayer is real? And it says results unsolved, so no. I love that for every miracle segment.
sorry the pope didn't weigh in on this one we don't know all right oh it's my turn to talk about a story from boston and i this is my my new hated mystery because it just made me really really sad yeah this one sucks i mean it sucks just the story itself is horrible it made me cry it's just you know what the world is a terrible place sometimes so this takes place in boston um in the airline industry robert stack tells us that 27 year old stew Taraskowicz, I think. Okay. She lived in Sargos, Massachusetts. And so she was something of a trailblazer in the airline industry. In 1989, she became only the second woman hired by Northwest Airlines as a ground services employee at the ramp at Boston Logan Airport. So her job originally included loading and unloading baggage and de-icing planes, which is like really hard manual labor. But that was the kind of challenge that she thrived on. According to her mother, Marlene, she loved being on the ramp and doing her job. And she would often joke like, oh, I moved a million bags today and stuff like that. So she never complained about the job to her mom.
she worked her way up from cleaning the interiors of jets to eventually getting a new job where she was promoted in 1992 to being the ramp supervisor. And she was the first woman to ever hold that position. It's crazy to me. Like this is fucking 1992. This is in my lifetime. And this is the first time a woman ever had a job. Isn't that crazy? That's wild. And you know, all these misogynists she worked with being pissed that she got like a man's job or whatever. She worked hard. She started at the bottom literally and worked her way up. It's not good enough. It never would have been, but like, it's just ridiculous.
feel like misogynists in general all the time are like oh well men have to do all the hard jobs and women just get to quote stay home which guess what most women do not get to do that but also it's like who decided that men are doing all the labor intensive jobs you you motherfuckers decided that women did decide that and you're actively keeping women out of those positions yeah it's very frustrating so on the morning of september 14 1992 around 7 30 a.m her blue toyota tercel was discovered in front of the bravo auto and tire service company which is not far from the airport in uh the boston area her blood was found next to it and on the trunk so someone called it in and sadly sue's body was found inside the trunk she had been bludgeoned and stabbed multiple times the police believe she was killed somewhere else and then driven to the auto shop um it's worth noting that she was not robbed and she was not sexually assaulted so those were not motives for the crime her family assumed that she'd just been targeted at random you know that it was just like a sad tragedy and then at christmas time like a year later in 93 her mom finally ventured into sue's room after not you know it's just like too hard to go in there that whole time but she was like oh i want to put out something that was special to sue for the holidays so she starts looking around the room and she finds this briefcase that she was not familiar with and inside that briefcase sue kept a diary and in that diary she documented accounts of sexual harassment that she endured at her job that she had never mentioned to her family like she really put on a brave face for them and i think was trying to spare them what she was going through because i'm sure they would have wanted her to quit and like like you would anybody that was going through this because it's very persistent and it's very horrendous um
so this is the first time that her mom had heard about any of this um the journal included quotes of graffiti which unsolved mysteries describes as insulting demeaning and lurid that had been etched in men's rooms at the airport but even in the cargo holds of planes which okay so like people are gross they write gross graffiti in bathrooms but obviously she's not gonna see that right she's not going into the men's bathroom so they have to do it to the cargo hold the planes so she'll actually see it's like how do you have that much time at your job that you're like carving into metal or whatever to deface you know also like very expensive company property um her mom was unaware that her co-workers were so shitty and she wondered if the harassment was the reason sue had been murdered and that brought like a new um level to the case in numerous passages sue described what appeared to be blatant acts of hostility is what uh rubber stack calls it here's one diary entry that is supposedly typical on april 12th 1989 bobby who i think i learned this from on some mysteries wiki but she like very briefly dated this guy bobby and i don't think he took them not dating anymore very well so he's just like a total dick oh okay that's an element i didn't realize that was on some mysteries wiki and i don't
know what the source for that is right i don't know where that information came from but there are actually through the radio yes okay i mean it makes a little bit more sense if they if he was like a jilted x or whatever he seems wildly absurd like out of nowhere okay yes because what he does is like they're in the break room sue is playing her radio um so they can listen to music and bobby just walks in picks up the radio and like throws it and smashes it like why you're watching the episode like what a bully in a tv show would do not even like a real bully you know what i mean like not even like a real school bully would be like this blatant to just like walk in everyone is listening to music for one thing not just her and he like picks up her radio and smashes it and everybody's like what the fuck and he's like oh the bruins lost but she's like okay so that her and her co-workers like put the radio back together plug it back in it still works he comes and smashes it again what's wild about this is that you know that he and all the other misogynists at her work that hated her were like you know women are too emotional for jobs like this oh yeah exactly and he's like
smashing radios supposedly because the bruins last but really because he can't get anymore so it's like bobby oh check yourself oh my god so she yeah she did have a new boyfriend at the time and he apparently spoke to bobby and was like well you have to replace the radio you can't just go around smashing people's stuff and he refused so sue confronted him later and was like look bobby my mom gave me that radio for christmas like you have to buy me a new one he was like what are you gonna do send your punk boyfriend over here is he gonna beat me up he's lucky i didn't kill him This man needs to take a moment. I also feel like, I don't know, radio's gonna be kind of expensive. That's like a nice gift, you know? It sure was, yeah. And it's like, too bad. I wanted to break it. Okay, so anyway. She filed numerous formal complaints with the management of Northwest Airlines and with her union, but surprise, surprise, little was done to curb the harassment. Stuff like this was happening constantly. That radio thing is just like one example. So, in time, the abuse escalated.
and the like anonymous graffiti was like getting more targeted and it would be literally labeled sue t and then we hear from laura brown who was the reporter for the boston herald um and she's like look this isn't like a couple cases of graffiti that can just be washed away this is like repeated harassment targeted harassment and that the graffiti like escalates to death threats inside her own locker yeah we see i think this comes up a little later but we see her open her locker and someone has drawn a coffin with her name on it Okay. So she also mentioned in her diary that she was getting anonymous calls at all hours of the night. She recorded some of the times that the calls happened. And in one instance, a caller said, get off our backs, Suti baby. Which I don't know why he's talking like Ken. That's really annoying. Okay. Suti baby. When she asked who was calling, the caller would not respond. There was also instances where her car was vandalized, her boyfriend's car was vandalized, and also coworkers who were supporting her, their cars would be vandalized. Curiously, Sue's diary only covered the first eight and a half months at her new job.
But from talking to like our other co-workers, it sounds like the harassment got even worse. I wonder if she just kind of gave up recording it. It must have been so lonely. Like she hasn't been able to tell anyone in her family. She kind of confided in her friends, but it seems like they didn't really understand the extent of it. Yeah. I wonder if it's because people would have told her to quit. And she clearly wanted to stay and not let them win. And I think also maybe her co-workers didn't even know the extent of what was going on because if they sided with her, they would also get harassed. So she's like trying to protect them too. Yeah.
so anyway okay in 92 she was promoted to ramp supervisor and she was put in charge of employees that she once worked at the tarmac and that did not go over well she was originally passed up for this promotion even though she was next in line um by a man who made an illegal bid for the job so she filed a grievance and won and that's how she became the first woman to hold the position but of course because that made them happy yeah exactly because people are fucking assholes that wasn't okay um so we hear from one of seuss co-workers that actually seemed cool his name was joseph snow um he has a mustache that has a very like old school hip-hop vibe to me. I think Sir Mix-a-Lot used to have this kind of mustache where it's like, it comes over the lip and it's like very thin. He's like grooming it to keep it like very thin, not brushy at all. So that is called hands in the air. Okay. So according to Joseph Snow, a lot of the coworkers, a lot of his coworkers didn't want a woman to be their boss because like you said, they thought that was a man's job.
but that didn't stop her according to joseph for standing up for coming to work and standing up for things that she thought were wrong because she was trying to make the industry like better and like less of a white boys club right right um we also hear from another co-worker debra which i think is like one of the very few female co-workers that she had saying that you know men were resenting her having a position of authority and now that she was being their boss but sue was always very conscientious about her job and was trying to make it a better place and she wanted you know women to be able to get jobs there and people of color to be able to get jobs there and yeah i was not appreciated um So a few months after her promotion, the graffiti was getting more sinister. That's when she found that coffin drawing that I talked about. On another occasion, Sue and Deborah, her other female co-worker, had a meeting at Northwest that did not go well. They don't say why, but during the meeting, Sue started to cry, and then she was crying so hard that she couldn't control herself, and then she was, you know, very embarrassed. And so she continued crying, and she went into the room, and when Deborah went to console her, she found her sobbing, and she was like, I broke our one rule.
I can't believe I started crying, but also like this level of harassment and no one is taking it seriously extended period of time too. Yeah. And so, okay. So she's crying and she's super embarrassed and she feels like she's let her friend down by being like quote unquote too emotional for the job. But she told Debra at that time that she was afraid and Debra in retrospect is wondering if she met like literally afraid for her life or just, you know, it's hard to say. Okay. Anyway, this is a part of what sucks is that she was trying to do something nice, even in her like last moments during the graveyard shift from 11 to PM to 7 AM on September 12th, 1992.
sue volunteered to go to a restaurant to pick up sandwiches for her crew that's not something that she needed to do but she wanted to like make sure that her crew which i'm sure most of them are shitty she's like still trying to take care of them so she left around 1am on september 13th and never returned no one reported her missing for a day and a half this is the part that's so suspicious to me it's it's very frustrating i have to assume that the couple co-workers we hear from that are not dicks were not working that night because i feel like they would have been like what the um her mom thought she was working overtime when she didn't come home so she didn't she learned that she didn't show up to work on the 14th her mom reports her missing That's what she learns that Sue's dead, that they find her body, which she goes to report her missing. Her body was found. The money she was going to use to buy the sandwiches was with her, indicating that she never made it to the restaurant. Incredibly, instead of reporting her missing, Sue's co-workers marked her time card to indicate that she returned and left at the end of her shift and even returned the next day.
And when they were asked about this, they said that they were covering for her, but her mom doesn't believe them because she asked, well, has she ever done this before? Has she ever just skipped out of work and you had to cover for her? And they were like, well, no. Actually, she's super responsible. So why did you call someone? So why wouldn't you be concerned that she never came back and you never got your sandwiches? Also, these people all seem like such babies. They would have freaked out if they didn't get their sandwiches. Where's my sandwiches? Right?
Hard to believe that they were just like, oh, well, just this person that we hate and we're trying to actively get her to leave her job, let's just punch in and out for her so no one notices that she's missing. Yeah. So it does make it seem like there's a cover-up involved. Authorities now believe that Sue's death may have been connected to a federal investigation of Northwest that took place in the summer of 92. What it turns out is that some of the baggage handlers at the same facility were operating a stolen credit card ring. So what would happen is shipments of brand new credit cards would come in on these Northwest jets. Groups of co-workers were stealing them, using them, and then selling them.
And this scam netted over $7 million. 10 Northwest employees were eventually indicted and given various sentences. To Marlene, Sue's mom, some of the names on this indictment by the time it makes it to the news are very familiar because they're names from Sue's diary of people who were harassing her. So Marlene believes that Sue was actually sat out by her coworkers and that for whatever reason, they were afraid that Sue was going to squeal about something. so okay obviously sue is a good employee she's by the book she's trying to do the right thing i don't know if they were always harassing her because they didn't want her working there and finding out they were stealing credit cards or they were already harassing her and then they're like well there's no way sue's not gonna rat us out she hates us now because we've made her life miserable yeah but either way they knew that she wouldn't go along with this credit card stealing ring and so they were trying to like force her out of the job Guess what? Northwest Airlines declined to be interviewed for the story. At this point, they don't exist. They got bought out by Delta long ago. The authorities are currently investigating more than one suspect, but lack the evidence of press charges. Each year on the anniversary of her death, her family holds a candlelight vigil at the spot where her body is found. And then we hear from her mom asking, if you know about this murder, how can you just go around carrying this guilt? Okay, part of what made this a big story is that in 1995, Seuss family sued Northwest for sexual harassment because they did not...
do their legal duties to make it a safe work environment. The parties let her reach a settlement, which included a payout of $75,000 to her state and a promise of $250,000 reward for anyone that comes with information that leads to an arrest and conviction. Obviously, they denied any wrongdoing. But that settlement was the largest discrimination settlement ever granted in Massachusetts at that time. Wow. Okay. Let's see here. So according to Unsolved Mysteries Wiki, her mom believes that Sue was killed by someone she knew. She thinks the sandwich run thing was kind of a setup to get her to go somewhere and then...
be killed so possibly yeah god she was found by the esquire club which is a bar frequented by airline employees whether or not that's connected is unknown basically she had the two shittiest co-workers were joseph nuzzo and this bobby brooks guy and it's this is where it says that her and brooks have been briefly romantically involved and she had several problems with both of them um She had once tried to break up a fist fight between Nuzo and two other employees. Oh my God. What is wrong with these dudes? I don't know. They seem like they are full of roid rage or something. Like, why are you acting like this? Why are you getting into fist fights at work? Anyway, so they fired him, but only for six months, which is not how firing works, Northwest Airlines. So he was pissed and of course blamed Sue for him fist fighting at work. So during the time that he was out of work for six months, he keyed her car.
slashed her tires stalked her house made anonymous telephone calls and told others including bobby brooks that he would quote exact revenge for what don't fist fight people at work yeah that's generally frowned upon unless you are a boxer you should not be punching people at work um you got your job back like you should consider yourself lucky yes oh my god you committed assault um so okay there's more information about this but basically is it brooks is it this nuzo guy is it both of them like there really isn't it seems like it's one of them but there's really not any evidence and that was like how do you kill someone put them in a truck of a car and not leave any evidence but maybe we don't hear a lot about the investigation maybe it was we really don't maybe it was a shitty investigation i wouldn't be too surprised if these are the type of dicks who know people who are cops this is fucking boston um Yeah, there's like, Nuzo told someone that he believed Sue was a rat. One week later, he was fired. A few weeks after his firing, Sue was murdered. There's more stuff about the credit card scheme, blah, blah, blah. People went to jail for that, but nobody has gone, it's still unsolved. Nobody's gone to jail for Sue's murder. And also, I found this like, okay, so Sue was like a known lover of the comic strip Peanuts, and this made enough news that after her death, Charles Schultz made a drawing of Snoopy that was added to her gravestone.
fucking sue i'm so sorry i feel so bad for sue all she was trying to do was do her fucking job and make her workplace better and this is what she got like i hate it i hate it i hate it and both sue's father and brother have passed away and delta airlines is apparently standing by their the original commitment northwest had for that 250 000 reward so maybe someone will eventually come forward i don't know i hope so this is one i would love to be solved i yes because it's a poor woman i wish we knew more about the investigation because we've been watching a lot of cold case files and basically if you've watched any recent episodes of cold case files they're all solved by ancestry dna like yeah like every single episode it's almost like a formula at this point and we have a joke where like they don't need to explain how it works to us anymore because every episode there's this new technology and you get the whole rundown it's like yeah this is episode 12 like we know um but there is a dateline about this case so maybe that would have more information it was also featured on both trace evidence and the trail went cold podcast okay because like
I don't know. Maybe there's some DNA and they could do the ancestry stuff and figure out. Yeah. We don't hear anything about the investigation, actually. And now that you mention that, that's kind of suspicious. Yeah. Maybe there's not a lot to tell. Like, how, you know, do they properly process that car? Do they look for DNA and shit? Right. Poor Sue. I might watch that Dateline. You should. Because I want to know, too. I should watch it, too. Okay. We have. I know. Okay. We have. I think this is an unexplained death.
So this is the case of Matt Flores. Matt and Denise, according to Robert Stack, had it all. A loving marriage, a beautiful daughter, dreams of a full happy life, dreams that sadly vanished in an instant when Matt Flores was gunned down in cold blood at just 26 years old. How come none of these stories are they had it all? And it continued to be great. And they lived happily ever after. And then they found the magic rock. This is the greatest mystery of all. How are these people so happy? Let's investigate.
So Matt, who was a very handsome man, married Denise LePage. Their friends called it the wedding of the century. He was a second lieutenant in the army and later served with honor in Operation Desert Storm. Once Matt came home to Fort Stewart, Georgia, he and Denise started a family. In July 1993, their daughter Danielle was born. Eight months later, Matt began a promising career with a computer company based in California's Silicon Valley. According to Denise, he traveled there for a brief training program. This was, she says, at the start of their new family.
they're making decisions instead of the military. It was his dream come true. This is when their life is like, this is supposed to be the salad days. Like their life is supposed to like really hit stride right now. In his life, he sort of felt like it was just beginning. Because up until this point, he was at the whim of the military. He really couldn't make his own decisions. He's now out of the military. He has a new family. He's getting this job and making all of his own choices. It just felt like, you know, and then he had landed this job, which he described as his dream job. Yeah, everything seemed like it was going perfect for Matt.
March 24, 1994 rolled around. It was his ninth day of training for his new job. That morning, he arrived at work and parked in the middle of the lot. Nearby, another employee sat listening to a talk show on her car radio. Because this was when, if you were really into the show you were listening to, you had to finish it in your car because you didn't have a phone to scream it on. Kids, Arden, you don't remember those days.
Exactly. Suddenly gunshots rang out. She moved to investigate, and according to Sergeant George Teal of the Santa Clara Police Department, the female witness called 911 after realizing someone had been shot. So about four or five officers responded immediately. Paramedics and fire also responded. Unfortunately, though, they were not able to revive Matt, who was pronounced dead at the scene. He had been shot once in the back of the head. Not enough prayers, I guess, Matt. Should have gotten a third of the town to pray for you. It probably would have been a little harder in Santa Clara. Literally any other town. So yeah, he'd been shot once in the back of the head at point blank range. He probably never even saw his killer.
Incredibly, no one else saw either, even though there were more than 20 people in the parking lot at the time. Matt's mother, Ellen Morrow, was dumbfounded as to why someone would want to kill her son. He had no enemies. He wasn't involved in anything nefarious. There's just nothing to indicate who would want him dead. Almost immediately, the investigation was hampered by a terrible piece of bad luck. Despite the presence of several security cameras in the parking lot, the killing itself took place in a blind spot just out of view of any camera.
One of the cameras, however, did give Sergeant Teal his most significant lead. So about 20 minutes before the shooting, there was a two-door sport model Ford Explorer that came into the parking lot and parked in one of the stalls facing directly to the camera lens. A few seconds later, a two-door white Ford probe came, I don't know, anything about cars, came in the same lane that Matt would take later. The Explorer backed out, followed by the white car. The Ford probe could look something like Matt's rental, which was a white Chevy Corsica. About four minutes before the shooting, we see the same Explorer exiting the parking lot. And then about three minutes before the shooting, the vehicle came back into the parking lot and went in the direction where the shooting occurred. So the theory here is that Matt was mistaken for someone else because he had a very similar car as this other car that was... The Ford Explorer seemed like it was kind of following that car. If you're going to kill people in parking lots, unlike Samantha and I, you need to know about cars, okay?
If you do, there's no difference between a Ford Probe and a Chevy Corsica. Cars that they have not made in decades, because otherwise you're going to shoot the wrong person. Yeah, which honestly, a case of mistaken identity makes a lot of sense, because who would want this man dead? Yeah, and obviously a lot of people are like, I have no skeletons in my closet, but they looked into it, and it seems like this guy was squeaky clean. Squeaky, yeah. So at 8.12 a.m., two minutes before the shooting, two cars entered the lot. One was driven by the female witness, the other was Matt Flores. At 8.15, the murder took place just out of camera range. According to Sergeant Teal, 20 seconds later, the Ford Explorer was seen leaving the parking lot for the last time.
So it's suspicious, and they want to know who was in the sport explorer. Because the explorer initially followed a car that looked like Matt's, Sergeant Teal believes that the murderer may have been a case of mistaken identity. This is not the first time we've talked about this, that someone shoots someone because they have the same car or a similar car. Yeah. Look, murderers, listen up. Do your homework, murderers. Make sure you're killing the right person. Oh, God. Don't isolate that audio. Well, I don't think Repod exists anymore, seriously.
Fair enough. Poor Matt. So the case is still open and authorities hope at this point when the episode aired that someone will come forward with a new lead. To date, the authorities' most substantial clue is still the Ford Explorer. And the thing is, if it's not supposed to be him, then there's like nothing to follow. I know. Look at that on some mysteries wikis. Little kid who's so cute. Okay, is there any updates? No, it's still in soft. Great. Love it, love it. Okay, I have a launch I have to talk about.
All right. On January 11th, 1995, a sheriff's van arrived at the Pasco County Courthouse in Dade City, Florida. It was transporting a 24-year-old murder suspect, Albert Leon Fletcher, and several other inmates. Unbeknownst, which is a great word. Thank you, Robert Stack. Unbeknownst to the guards, Fletcher was able to pick the lock on his handcuffs in one leg shackle, which, impressive. When the guard opened the back of the van, I love this reenactment, too. So the guard goes to the back of the van, opens it, and then Fletcher, like a spider monkey, has just been waiting.
Like, pounce out, right? Okay, so he slams the door on him, jumps out, and he ran out onto Highway 98, wherever that is. Another guard fired at him but missed. We'll work on that, I guess. After being nearly hit by a car, Fletcher fled down a creek and vanished into the nearby woods. Unsolved Mysteries calls Fletcher, quote, a felon with a violent criminal history dating back to age 15. Why that is his life, we never learn. What happened to this dude? Anyway, he was currently accused of armed robbery, armed burglary, grand theft, aggravated assault and battery, and murder.
impressively all of these charges stem from a single 24-hour period what yep it began on april fool's day 1993 that night him and his cousin douglas porter allegedly broke into a home in dade city they stole several guns including a sawed-off shotgun um we see okay this part i have to give stack remind me to give stack a thumbs up just for this moment where we see him holding a shotgun and he says the rampage was on So silly. On April 2nd, at 2 p.m., two couples pull into the front of a grocery store in Lakeland, Florida. They're in their car, right? And then Fletcher and his cousin Porter pull right behind him. So of these two heterosexual couples, the women get out and enter the store, but Fletcher and Porter are dicks, and so they're like catcalling the ladies.
i've been like you know whatever loot and then one of the men in the car is like you know knock it off so they they get into like a an argument with the the two men that are in the car they're like could you please stop yelling at our girlfriends um but fletcher tells him to get his you know what back in the car and this one guy who i don't think his real name is david he talks about some mysteries and they call him david in quotes it doesn't really matter this guy becomes super pissed and so that when fletcher and porter drove off he goes after them which not a good idea i realize that you don't appreciate that this guy is just yelling at your girlfriend i don't appreciate it either but as we learned from that clam shack mystery you should not angrily drive off after violent lunatics okay that's good advice yes that's i As you get older, you sort of realize that you know nothing. That's part of the aging process. But I do feel like that is really solid advice that I can give you to not angrily drive off after violent lunatics. So anyway, this guy, David, pulls up in the car and he tries to grab Fletcher. He's like hanging out of the window. And then Fletcher retaliates by pulling out a shotgun and like sticking it in David's eye and threatening to shoot him. And David pushes the gun out of his face. And fortunately, Fletcher and Porter drive off.
So David and the other dude from the other couple are unharmed. They are like fucking lucky as hell. Yeah. They should have bought a lotto ticket every night because you're never gonna be that lucky again. Okay. David believed, he says that like they were out to hurt people. Like they weren't just catcalling for the fun of it. Like they were like looking to get into violent fights with people. And that he says that they acted as if they had no remorse about who was going to get hurt. So the next thing that they went and did, this is so bizarre. Okay. So it's now 11 PM and 16 year old Jason Hartman is leaving his job at a pizza parlor, but he can't start his car.
and then he looks up and at the driver's side's window is fletcher demanding the car or when he's like uh no what fletcher pulls out a shotgun at which point jason who's a smart kid he gets out of the car on the passenger side door runs to the pizza parlor is banging on the door that they need to let him in he gets inside the pizza parlor fast enough that they can call the police hilariously now fletcher has the car but it won't start that's the reason the kid was in the parking lot so fletcher is there going right he can't get the car to start either So he eventually gives up on it and flees with Porter. And Stack says, for the second time that night, they left behind a victim who knew he had just gotten very lucky. Stack is like, this is some flowery language. He's loving this. Yeah, thank God this kid who is, you know, just trying to sell losers pizza. You should be killing or robbing 16-year-olds or just going to work. Yeah, leave him alone. Go find something else to do. Yes. Get a hobby.
Yes, for real. Join a book club. What are you doing? Quit harassing people. Okay, so then two hours later, they're driving along what is apparently a lonely stretch of highway. Isn't every stretch of highway? Outside of Lakeland, when they encounter a car driven by 32-year-old Nelson Olivares. Again, this guy's just trying to drive. So they start tailgating him. They're swerving erratically. They tell him to pull over. But then he's, of course, like, what? No. Not hanging out with you.
They shoot out some of his car tires. They force his car off the road. They box him in within their car. And then they demand his wallet, which this guy, he apparently refused and they shot him. Okay, I have to say, also, my other advice. If someone demands your wallet, just fucking give it to them. Just give it to them. You can cancel your card cards. It's fine. I know it sucks. I know get in the DMV to give you a new driver's license. All that shit sucks. But you do not want to get shot with a shotgun. Okay, also, I wanted to add that Nellison had a pretty sweet mustache, but I feel bad that he died in this incident. So the universe said, don't aim this one.
That's out of respect for Nelson. Okay, while the police were at the scene of Nelson's death, another officer spotted Fletcher and Porter across town. He had pulled them over, because they're probably driving like dicks, and asked them to step out of the car. When he looked inside, he saw the shotgun and some shells. And they already had heard about Nelson's death, and they knew they were looking for someone with a shotgun and a rifle.
They also later found Nelson's blood on the shotgun and the passenger side of Porter's car. So that's why Fletcher and Porter were arrested and charged with first-degree murder. They were scheduled to be tried separately. In 1994, Porter was convicted and sentenced to life in prison. That same year, Fletcher was convicted of armed burglary and sentenced to 17 years in prison, but that escape, we talked about that at the beginning, happened before his murder trial, so he had not been brought to trial for murder, and he hadn't been seen since. We hear from a cop who says that Fletcher is a sociopath and a person without a conscience. He does seem uniquely terrible.
He also apparently had repeatedly told his relatives that he refused to be taken alive. Okay, that's the end of this document. Here's the results. Captured on the night of the broadcast, a viewer from Delaware recognized Fletcher as one of her neighbors, which, ugh, that's not great. No. No, maybe he was just kind of a dick neighbor, like not violent or anything, but just like annoying. And she was like, oh, good. I get to call and tell mysteries about this clown. Yeah, that guy's always leaving his trash cans in the wrong place. Finally.
However, several weeks passed before she was confident enough about her identification to contact the police. Do you want to be sure? I guess. That's fair. You don't want to be just calling the police on people willy-nilly. On April 29, 1986, Delaware authorities contacted this county detective and told him they had a tipster on the whereabouts. He's blah, blah, blah. Why? I'm like, okay, this update is too detailed. I do not even know about like every phone call.
needed to make an arrest. Okay, whatever. We're skipping on. He was living with a woman who was unaware of his true identity. He was using the alias Kevin Woodside. I don't know what that's funny to me. Kevin Woodside. I don't know. Sounds fake. Apparently, Flitcher himself had grown tired of life on the run. He told the detective that he was glad it was all over with, and he wanted to go back and face charges. Oh, that's interesting. In July 1996, he pled guilty to escape and was sentenced to three years in prison. Then in 97, he was found guilty of first-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison plus 35 years.
He appealed his conviction was granted a new trial where he pled guilty and was sentenced to 40 years. So in August of 2011, he was released actually for serving 16 years. So Fletcher, if you're out there, um, we like you and you're a cool dude and you should leave us alone. You're listening. I'm going to assume he turned his life around. Okay. Yeah. He's reformed. Yeah. The prison system totally reformed. More likely than not. He's probably, well, look, if he, when they came to get him, he went, Oh, I'm just glad it's over. Then yeah, it sounds like he kind of grew up and it's not.
violently fucking with people for no reason all right now one more and it's weird okay a long time listeners remember when we talked about nature's whimsy which is the phenomenon of having a twin i don't know how that's really a mystery but then unsolved mysteries went back to that very shallow well and they're like what about the phenomenon of not having a twin this is like when nature's whimsy goes awry What about the phenomenon of not having a twin? That literally is the segment. That's what this is. The first one was silly. It was like, oh, do twins have psychic connections? When one pulls their groin, this other one here, that really was in it. That's not me being a freak. That was a real example. But this one is like, what if you had that psychic connection, but that twin was dead? And I was like, this is fucked up. And we're...
using elvis presley as our like narrative uh guide through the twinless twin mystery and i have to apologize i didn't really take good notes on this so i'm relying on some mysteries wiki and it's sparse it's as shallow as this well this is not a mystery this is not a mystery not having a twin it's not a mystery i guess i mean i understand if feeling like you're twin that you never got to know which i can imagine is very sad and traumatic very sad and very traumatic but unsolved mysteries treats it in like the silliest way yeah i mean because there's not a mystery it's just sad that's not a mystery it just fucking sucks it does suck and you can believe if you know if believing that they're your guardian angel brings you comfort i think there's nothing wrong with that um but we're dedicating a whole segment on primetime tv to the twinless twin they really just wanted to put that footage of elvis that they paid for in the commercial and that's literally all that this is i think so and i don't heads up we got another elvis mystery coming sometime in the future because when i was trying to find the unsolved mysteries wiki for this i found two so I kind of miss when conspiracy theories were more about Elvis, which in the 90s they told me that Elvis was still alive and he just, he hadn't died on the toilet like we all thought. He was out there in like a trailer park, you know, incognito somewhere, just hanging out because fame got to be too much for him. And people would be like, I saw, you know, people would like send Elvis sightings because I don't, people couldn't just like deal with the fact that he was a pill addict and he died at 44. Right. How shocking is that? Like when we talk about old Elvis, fat Elvis, he was 44. I know.
He was an old man at 44. Well, he had a rough life. It ages you quick. So yeah. So if you didn't know, Elvis was what they call a twinless twin. His twin was actually born before him, but did not survive. His twin was named Jesse Guerin Presley. And the two of them were born in a shack in East Tupelo, Mississippi on January 8th, 1935. Jesse was declared dead before Elvis was even born. So he never got to meet his twin outside of the womb. Many believe that Jesse was the force behind Elvis's creativity and self-destructive tendencies.
the way to just like take away any any any of his success but also any consequences of his actions right like yeah it's not that he was like good performer and handsome and you know whatever no first of all that's because he had a dead twin but also it's not his fault that he was an addict and you know he had a lot of problems that's not his fault either it's all he was a twin if his twin had just been alive at one point Robert S. Dag talks about imagine you're watching Elvis Presley shake his hips on stage but then suddenly there's two Elvis's I think that's the silliest part. And it's ridiculous to think that just because he had a twin, his brother would have been interested in music. Like, I feel like a lot of times twins are kind of wanted to find themselves separately from their sibling. And so I feel like he would have wanted nothing to do with it. If Elvis was doing music, that guy was going to do football or courses or he was going to do some other. He probably would have never touched the instrument because he would want to be his own person. He would not want to be the second Elvis. Right. So anyway, we're told that while growing up, Elvis apparently heard a mysterious voice that he believed was his dead brother, Jesse. That's, I don't know, mental illness, addiction.
his conscience telling him stop having sex with underage girls i don't know interesting so dr peter uh is who the aforementioned man who coined the term twinless twin he's done research on twins particularly twins separated by death um Most twinless twins believe, according to him, that the spirit of their deceased twins have been close to them, sometimes as a guardian angel. Oh, sorry. It was a different guy. There's two twin doctors in this segment. What? I didn't even notice that. Dr. Raymond Brandt is the one that actually coined the term twinless twin. There's so many professions that I didn't even consider I could go into. You could be a twin researcher. Yeah, that never occurred to me. I could become a twin doctor. Oh, I only study twins. It does kind of make you sound like a pervert. A little bit.
um so we meet some of these twinless twins uh first is the quote case of shannon seitz uh who died when she and her sister diana uh were born uh diana believes that her twin saved her life so what happened was she was driving along and there is a like a truck coming up behind her kind of driving erratically and she heard a voice in her head tell her to pull over and she did and the truck ended up side swiping her and she believes that if she had still been in the lane the truck would have just plowed right into her and she could have died I mean, I personally would feel like that's maybe more instinct. She was like, wow, this person is driving erratically. I should pull over. No, it was her guardian angel. And then she went, oh, thank Christ I pulled over because, yeah, that could have been a really bad accident. But if she wants to believe it's her twin watching over her. It's not going to harm anyone. Yeah, it's fine. Do you think that she thinks her twin could have also been the next Elvis? It's a real question. How would her twin's music career have gone? I'm going to say great. Yeah, definitely. Definitely.
um so we're told that many twinless twins have an overwhelming sense of guilt because they believe that they caused their twins death oh god which is so sorry if you think that you did not i think diana said that that she was like well i was the one that survived and like maybe like you know if we had been sisters and not twins like i don't know that's just not your fault you're a baby the chance of the universe that's not up to you that's survivor's guilt that sucks though i don't um robert stack says that some say that elvis's personal torment was caused by grief from his brother's death believing he caused it i mean maybe elvis was never able to overcome the death of his brother and some people believe that his brother's death may have eventually led to his death um so that the two could be reunited in the afterlife i don't know we hear from someone who knew elvis um and said that you know he often talked about his brother and talked about seeing his brother um he was religious and you know he talked to his mom about seeing his brother in the afterlife and how they'd all be together someday um that's just so you know that's just normal church though yeah i mean I'm sure he'll see your family in the afterlife. I'm sure he didn't grieve his brother and probably never resolved that in a healthy way. But to say that that like drove him to his own death is a little bold. Amanda, men would rather have an extremely successful recording career than go to therapy. Don't you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So On Some Mysteries Wiggy closes with this whole area sentence. To this day, nobody has any explanation of the twinless twin phenomenon. Sometimes people don't have twins. Amazing. I too am a twinless twin. Yeah. I have no twin.
i once got into an argument with someone over abortion rights and they referred to themselves as an abortion survivor which is which is essentially that their mom had given them up for adoption instead of having an abortion and i was sort of like me too like we all are all of our moms didn't abort us that's why we're here oh my god that doesn't make you special i'm also an abortion survivor by that logic which is none okay okay so we gotta rate this now okay uh mysteriousness kind of mysterious not maybe not the twin part the other ones though like who killed matt and who killed sue yes and yeah actually these are very mysterious thumbs up thumbs up for mysteries thumbs up reenactments i thought pretty good actually i liked all the footage um done at maybe not the same airport but like at an airport to like show sue's job and the harassment and whatever um i liked fletcher popping out of the back of that van um Yeah, I'd say thumbs up. I'll do a thumbs up on that one. I don't know about fashion. I was trying to think if anything stood out. The only thing that I can really think of is that reenactment Sue's hair was amazing. Oh, it was. I love big curly hair. And actually, I really liked her in like her work outfit, like her work uniform with the hair. It was a great look. I don't think anything else stand out. So that'll just get a sideways. But reenactment Sue, wherever you are, you were killing it. Yeah. And then Stack.
i have to give him a thumbs up he waxed very poetic and he's standing in like a study wearing a trench coat holding a shotgun and saying like the rampage began yeah yeah let's get ready to roll out he should have cocked it and then acted like he was gonna go on the rampage that's the only thing that would have made it better if he was like let's roll uh so thumbs up to him yeah um overall okay it's both silly because of the twin thing but so sad yeah it's sad and i really wish we had some solves in this one like yeah i don't know This is that meme where you watch a show called Unsolved Mysteries and at the end it's unsolved and you go, what? That's us, right? The Ice Woman one. Oh, I almost forgot about the Ice Woman. I think people just survive hypothermia sometimes. I'm not sure that's all that miraculous. I think she just got really good treatment. Probably the exact last moment. Yeah, I think she just had an intervention. I mean, it was close, but you can't survive. It's very fortunate, but I don't know that that's that mysterious either.
So yeah, I think, I mean, I don't know. This is like a middle of the road episode, I feel like. I'd say three and a half. Yeah, I think that's fair. Okay, if you don't know, the scale is five Robert Stacks. Obviously five is the best. I'm going to give this three and a half Robert Stacks. I think that's a solid three and a half. Do you think that if Robert Stack had had a twin, they would have both hosted Unsolved Mysteries in trench coats and they would have spoken in unison? The world is not ready for two Robert Stacks. Which is why he's acting like Elvis's twin would have done. Just been like literally a mere copy of him and not his own person. It's like, here's Robert Stack and here's Ribbit Stack. Ribbit Stack.
I'm just picturing a frog in a trench coat. Yeah. I don't know who's naming their son. Ribbit stack. Please make that the next coloring sheet. Okay, our next coloring sheet has to be flag designs. Oh yeah, you have to design your own flag. March's coloring sheet is going to be ribbit stack and it's a frog in a trench coat holding on its own mystery. Here's the deformed twin of Robert Stack who somehow got turned into a frog. He crawled out of the swamp.
So funny. Okay. I had an odd idea to do for my found love today. Okay. I'm going to do like a tip. Oh, okay. You've already given us a few tips in this episode. You know, I'm very knowledgeable. You know, for example, do not angrily drive off after violent lunatics. Yeah, it's important. It's good advice. Something a wizard or a scribe might tell you. Someone very wise. I was going to give a, I talked about years ago, I'd given tips on where to get frames on this show. And I was thinking, I should give a tip on like hanging. If you're doing like a gallery wall. Okay. So.
obviously you can like measure shit out of where to hang things but if you're like me you hate math and numbers and that's very annoying to like be like oh i want the center of this to be 12 inches from here but the you know the hanger is three down on the frame but i want the eye level you know this is what i would recommend it doesn't work if you're hanging like three things in a row and you want them to line up this isn't gonna help you but say you're doing a gallery wall or you're just putting like one thing somewhere this is what you should do you take your frame you find the little hanger thing on the back you put a dot of toothpaste on there then you go to the wall and you figure out where you want it and you press it against the wall just leave a mark with a toothpaste put that nail in there, wipe the toothpaste away, hang it up. Done. That's brilliant. That's my tip for everyone. You're welcome. You're welcome. When I go to hang up art shows, I literally bring toothpaste with me. That's such a good tip. So that I don't have to like measure. I can literally just eyeball it and go, this is where I want it. Pop. Done. Amazing. You're all welcome. And I, I guess if you had like very, very matte paint, like very matte white paint, maybe test it somewhere else first, but I've never had an issue with it. Like not wiping off. Yeah. I could maybe see.
But usually wall paint is like a bit of a satin finish anyway. It has like the tiniest bit of gloss to it. So I don't think it should mark your walls. I've never had that issue. You just literally wipe it off and you're done.
That's my tip. I'm absolutely going to do that. Okay. Did you have anything you want to talk about today? I have a recommendation, a brief recommendation that relates to our most recent Patreon episode, which was Why Planes Go Down with Jillian Anderson. I use the app Flight Radar to see what planes are flying over me. Not because I'm like a plane nerd, although maybe I am now that I think about it. I just think it's really fun when I hear an airplane to pull up Flight Radar, which is a free app. I do think it kind of tries to trick you into purchasing it. And I think if you don't want the ads, you do have to pay like $4 a year or something. But you can just like...
not like skip it i don't know when you download the app but you can literally pull up the app on your phone and see the planes that are flying around you can click on them and see where they're going i do think this makes you a little the tiniest bit i think it's fun and i've noticed now that i've had yet i've had that for a while maybe a year or more um i think i saw someone talking about it Twitter back when it was Twitter but it's just fun to like pull it up and see what's flying over and be like oh you know having a trip and they're like going to Paris or whatever a lot of times because I live in like a semi-rural area I feel like you could be really busy because you're right by the airport if there's like a really loud plane flying over us they're going to Amsterdam there must be like a flight that regularly goes over us because every time there's a really loud plane I'm like oh I should see where they're going I pull up flight radar click on it they're always going to Amsterdam We should take that flight. We should go to Amsterdam. Now they see my house from below. Yes, that just seems cool. First of all, that just sounds fun. I've never been to Amsterdam. Who knows what kind of trouble we could get into there. But just the idea that you keep noticing all this plane over me is going to Amsterdam. And then later we're like, you know what? We should go to Amsterdam. We should be on that plane. We should be on that plane, but in like a month. Literally just last night I was laying in bed and there was a super loud plane. I'm like, I wonder if they're going to Amsterdam. And I pulled it up and sure enough, they were going to Amsterdam. So I'm assuming it's just a big plane to make it that far. So that's why it's so loud. But there's also like several small airports by me. And every once in a while, there'll be like, I don't know, like an old.
I don't know, vintage plane or something. And Travis and I will, like, pull it up on Flight Raider to see what it is. Or, like, a helicopter. If you're curious, like, hey, there's a helicopter circling in my house. Actually, that I am curious about. Yeah, or, like, I'm going to a protest and there's, like, a helicopter above me because they do nefarious shit with those things. You can, like, use, you can also, like, pull up, so it'll say, like, interesting flights. Like, the most, like...
tracked flights in the world or whatever and you can see like where they're going i don't use that feature very often but maybe you would is this how you're gonna like take down the next jeffrey epstein is you're like wait a second no because you know what you're like not all flights are visible like i think like you can't find like taylor swift's private plane i don't think like you know what i mean like i think a lot of like rich people don't sure that information's like not available like government stuff you're not gonna see like you see some but not like you know probably top secret ones i can't just like start following around beyonce yeah you're not gonna see air force one you know like all like this plane is not gonna be on there you know or wouldn't have been on there so probably not but That's interesting. Also, I don't know. There's many different ways you can use Google Flights and stuff if you're having to pick someone up from the airport. So there's lots of different ways to track that. But you can use Flightrader, too, if you know the flight number. My mom, I picked her up from the airport right after Christmas, and I used the app to track her plane. But it's the same as using Google Flights or anything else. But you can use it for that, too. Do you think you're more into airplanes or trains now?
Or is it too hard to choose? Because you love them all. You just love transportation. I don't spend a lot of time thinking about trains. Despite the fact that I went to train museums in one day wearing a train sweatshirt and a sticker that said I love trains. Even though we already have plans, planes, plans for next year for Spooky Train Day. I don't really like flying. I'm not a particularly anxious flyer, like any more than I think is normal. But like, I don't like flying. I'm not like going to airports and sitting with all the old men and watching planes take off.
so but you know it's amazing to me that there's like multiple people that want to do that and i mean that in the nicest way like i just like that they found each other and they can just like geek out about planes it's a wholesome thing you know that's what that dude should have been doing instead of going out terrorizing pizza boys absolutely him and his friend his his cousin almost his friend him and his cousin needed to just find a wholesome to plane spot plane spot maybe raise some chickens yeah you know you know a flight rider i've been around by then he picked up an old car you know you just need something something enjoyable that pumps some dopamine into your brain I think we're going to end it on that, everyone. We'll see you in another fortnight. By which I mean you'll hear our voices. Goodbye. Bye. Keep barking. Keep barking.