EPISODE · May 30, 2026 · 28 MIN
S1 E5 - The Real Work Begins Where the Program Runs Out
from The Leading Learning Podcast · host Jocelyn Seamer
Jocelyn reflects on what happens when a well-built instructional program stops providing answers, and what leadership teams must do next. This episode explores the difference between building a minimum viable system and the deeper, more demanding work of continuous improvement, offering practical frameworks for diagnosing why a subset of students isn't progressing and how to design targeted responses grounded in evidence rather than chasing new programs.
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Jocelyn reflects on what happens when a well-built instructional program stops providing answers, and what leadership teams must do next. This episode explores the difference between building a minimum viable system and the deeper, more demanding work of continuous improvement, offering practical frameworks for diagnosing why a subset of students isn't progressing and how to design targeted responses grounded in evidence rather than chasing new programs.
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