EPISODE · May 23, 2024 · 1H 6M
S15 E36: Eli Ben-Sasson on STARKs, Rollups & Privacy
from Bitcoin Takeover Podcast · host Vlad Costea
Back in 2014, Eli Ben-Sasson co-authored the Zerocash paper, which proposed a ZK SNARK system that creates anonymous Bitcoin payments. Around the same time, he also spoke about the compression benefits of zero-knowledge proofs – a full Bitcoin node can be synced within seconds just by verifying against a valid proof. More recently, he became interested in STARKs and built a company around this cryptographic breakthrough. If SNARKs require a trusted setup, then STARKs are a major leap towards trust minimization. If Bitcoin activates the OP_CAT soft fork, then this ZK rollup scheme also becomes possible to enable great privacy and low-sized transactions. Time stamps: Introduction to the Podcast (00:00:35) What is a Zero-Knowledge Proof? (00:02:03) Vision for Bitcoin Node Synchronization (00:04:09) Current State of Zero-Knowledge Proofs (00:05:44) Challenges in Implementing Zero-Knowledge Proofs (00:06:38) Importance of OP_CAT Opcode (00:09:19) Comparison of OP_CAT and OP_CTV (00:12:04) Differences Between SNARKs and STARKs (00:13:13) Popularity of SNARKs and STARKs (00:17:47) Ellie's Journey to Starkware (00:19:52) The Future of Zcash (00:23:50) The Importance of Zcash Ceremony (00:24:17) User Experience Challenges with Zcash (00:24:38) Impact of Zcash on Zero-Knowledge Proofs (00:26:13) Scaling Solutions: Sidechains vs. Rollups (00:27:03) Stark Technology as a Gold Standard (00:27:20) Quantum Computing Threats to Bitcoin (00:29:19) Proactive Measures Against Quantum Threats (00:31:55) Benefits of Starks Beyond Quantum Security (00:32:25) Resurgence of the Block Size Debate (00:33:34) Future of Bitcoin with Starks (00:34:15) Cultural Shift in Bitcoin Development (00:35:12) Data Availability in Blockchains (00:37:02) Scalability Solutions and State Differences (00:40:34) Founding Starkware: Joy and Challenges (00:42:33) Drivechain and Stark Integration (00:46:02) Efficient Operations for STARKs (00:47:02) Bitcoin's Conservative Approach (00:48:22) Integration with Bitcoin (00:49:55) User Experience with STARKs (00:51:00) Understanding Starkware and Starknet (00:53:43) Starknet's Features and Capabilities (00:54:49) Opportunities for Bitcoin Enthusiasts (00:56:11) Potential Collaboration with Elizabeth Stark (00:58:56) The Future of STARKs (01:01:20) Following Starknet and Starkware (01:04:29)
What this episode covers
Eli Ben-Sasson is an academic computer scientist whose interest in zero-knowledge proofs has led him to become a co-founder of Zcash. More recently, he became the CEO of StarkWare: a company which aims to scale blockchains with ZK rollups & STARKs.
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S15 E36: Eli Ben-Sasson on STARKs, Rollups & Privacy
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