Well, hello. Hello, Amantha. Are you ready to lose like three or four of our listeners? Do you think only three or four? That seems optimistic. Fine. Are you ready to lose? We have five to begin with. All of our five listeners. This may be the end of our podcast. I don't know. Today's the day. Burn it down. Oh, I mean, hello, everyone. This is Perhaps It's You. We're apparently an Unsolved Mysteries rewatch podcast. Sure. That seems real not important. So not important. My name is Liz.
I'm Samantha. I have an issue in Zencast where my full name isn't displayed, but it's fine. This is an audio medium. You can't see that. You know what? It's a real make-do-in-men situation. Who the fuck cares? So you may be aware that we usually record this podcast in Minneapolis in what I loving refer to as the witch district.
What you may not be aware of is that the West District is in South Minneapolis, which I don't know. Maybe you've seen in the news lately. It's possible because it's been on fire. I'm here to tell you that we're still alive. The podcasting room is still standing. The pod dogs still there. The pod dogs are fine. They've been kind of freaked out. It's been a few days now of sirens, audible tear gas, police and straight up military helicopters flying over.
not actually seen a tank but they are around the military the national guard what a phrase i've actually seen a tank what's okay what this is the least important part of what we're going to get into but what is so eerie and what i never would have known about riots is that during the day everything seems fine like right now everything is peaceful birds are chirping everything's like lush and green like flowers are blooming right like the other day i literally saw a rainbow and then it's just like oh but also everything is boarded up because police violence has led to a situation where things are being burned down. So there's a real dramatic contrast. Yeah. That's eerie.
I sort of feel like so we're recording today. What is today? May 31st. Yep. Sunday. So, yeah, it's been like five days, I guess. OK, so if you don't know what started, this is that the police murdered a man named George Floyd outside of a business called Cup Foods. It's about a mile away from here. The cop who did this has killed like three other people. Yeah. That he was not really disciplined for or prosecuted for in any meaningful way.
And on top of countless other police brutality complaints against him. Not an isolated incident. He's murdered four people. Some people are calling him a serial killer. I don't know if that counts, but sure, that's very alarming. When people rightfully came to protest this instance of police violence, the police responded by shooting them with tear gas and rubber bullets into a peaceful crowd. Also, arresting no one because no one was actually breaking the law. On top of that, something particularly evil about shooting tear gas at protesters that are wearing masks because of a pandemic.
Should I mention there's a pandemic? like kind of forgotten there's a pandemic it's really easy to forget there's been a lot going on and we've all been like out and running around and trying to help and at this point i probably have covid i don't know like it's hard to social distance when there's all these other factors so um yeah the police escalated the situation we lost an auto zone and a wendy's r.i.p auto zone burned to the ground the second night the police station burned to the ground and then fireworks were lit off in celebration uh they i think at this point finally charged that dude but with third degree murder but third degree and it wasn't just him by now i think most people have seen the news there's three other officers that are still free have not been charged in charge there's a second i haven't watched either of these videos okay i don't really want to see videos of murder myself uh but there's a second video from the other side of the street that shows that two at least two other officers are kneeling on top of him like they're not standing around doing nothing which is bad enough they should be charged for that but i think they're actively participating in his murder and they haven't been charged yet
But rather than charge these officers, they have decided to escalate everything, bring in the National Guard, shoot all these protesters. They shot a photojournalist in the eye. She now is blind in her left eye because they shot her in the face with a rubber bullet. Yeah. It boggles the mind. I don't really know what's going to happen. We discussed the possibility of not doing a show this week because of what's going on, which would have been fair. But I kind of just wanted...
you know, to, to take a moment to, to complain. Hey, I'm right here. I'm right here. That if you're, if you're clutching your pearls over like a target getting looted more than a man being murdered, really examine that. Like that's super gross. And that has been, I think one of the most frustrating for me personally, that's one of the most frustrating aspects of this is that I've seen so much hemming and hawing about property damage.
and less about the fact that the police are just allowed to murder people and are above the law. Like if Samantha and I killed someone in the street and that was recorded on video, would we go home and sleep in our own beds? Like, I don't think so. Absolutely not. Would we be arrested right on the spot? Because there's, we all know they did it. There's clear evidence. And somehow it's like, well, we have to look into it further and all this bullshit.
So it's not really a surprise that a Target got looted. And guess what? We can build another Target. There's only one George Floyd. Even fucking Target said we can build another Target. Target read the room and went, you know, it's going to be good PR for us if we admit that our store is not really that important because it's not. No, it's a building full of things that can be replaced. Yeah, it's just a bunch of bullshit. We don't need it. I can't say for sure that this is good or bad. I think it's just inevitable. I think you can only push people so far. Years of peaceful protesting hadn't worked, right? This cop was killing people still on the force.
This is just what happens. And we'll see. I'm personally hopeful some good is going to come out of it. The Minneapolis public schools have severed their contract with the Minneapolis Police Department. I see that as positive. It seems like the whole world is watching us right now. There was a vigil for George Floyd in Iran. There were protests in Tokyo. That's amazing to me. And the amount of community effort and support and donations, you have no idea. Minnesotans love to cooperate. I hope everyone has seen the photos. Get on Twitter, everyone, because there's photos of just...
lawns covered in donated food, just like overflowing. Donation sites are turning people away because they have so much. Because they literally don't have room to store the stuff. A friend of the pod, Rochelle, yesterday got some money together. I think it was $550. And she went and she bought diapers because now that some stores have been destroyed, there's going to be problems. And public transportation is shut down. People are going to have trouble just getting their basic things. So she went and she bought all of these diapers and wipes and food for toddlers and stuff. She tried to donate that to places yesterday and they couldn't take donations anymore. She ended up leaving because they're literally beyond capacity. So she left it on my porch overnight and then I went and dropped it off.
this morning and seriously there's lines of cars of people waiting to donate mac and i went out yesterday to lake street which was one of the harder hit areas to help clean up and there were so many people walking around with brooms like you could barely find a mess to clean up there's just armies of people walking around with brooms and trash bags like eagerly trying to help before we started recording i was telling samantha that i feel like my neighborhood is like half queer anarchist witches and like half older white people who listen to npr every day and so you've got a lot of people that are like burn it down and you've got a lot of people that are like don't rock the boat ever But you know where that Venn diagram leads? It's helping people right now. It's like providing snacks. It's giving food and diapers. The pie shop is giving out free pie today. Like everybody's just like, how can we help? And that's very heartwarming to see. I guess what I, I think I got a little sidetracked, but what I wanted to talk about when we're talking about like looting and things being burned down is that property damage is not violence. Like you can't equate that with the police attacking people, the police murdering people.
Like, I'm sad to see some of these community businesses and resources go. Like, that's not positive, but it's not necessarily violence. That's not the right way to talk about it. That's gross. When we're talking about police violence, that's a systemic issue, too. So you can't equate looting a target with a systemically racist institution. Come on. Yeah. And also, if the only thing the powers that be care about is money, like, is that a way to hit them where it hurts? I don't know. It seems to have gotten people's attention. Yeah. Maybe it's working.
I thought it was amazing that the owner of Gandhi Mahal, so people had tried to protect, this is a very beloved Indian restaurant in town. People had like tried to protect it for looting. It sort of inevitably ended up catching on fire. And the owner of the restaurant said, let it burn, justice needs to be served. What? That's amazing to me. That's absolutely amazing. We definitely, look, there was a pandemic. Things are going to have to rebuild, blah, blah, blah. But someday in the distant future, we need to have a podcast meet up there. I just, I'm so impressed by that.
And it's amazing because there's so many people that don't live in the community, right? They are pearl clutching. What about the small businesses? It's like, well, why don't you listen to what the small businesses are saying? Because that also wasn't even an isolate. You can find threads of other local businesses saying the same exact thing. So be quiet and listen to what the community is saying. I understand it's a tense time. People are nervous. People are scared or whatever. I get that. Like, I don't want my house to burn down. I don't. But there's bigger stuff going on, too. Like, don't just focus on the fact that a Target got looted. Who cares?
let's let's deal with this police it's like i don't even know yeah it's like beyond corruption part of the problem is so the minnesota police like don't live in, I'm sorry, the Minneapolis police don't live in Minneapolis. They're all like racist white people from the burbs that are like very scared of the cities. 95% of Minneapolis PD live in the suburbs. That's essentially the entire police force are coming in to police a community they do not live in. That they do not live in, that they have no connection to and are afraid of, it seems like, because these tactics are such overkill. They're also, starting at least yesterday, maybe before that, there was this idea that we were being infiltrated by white supremacists and all these people from out of state were coming to like make the situation worse.
Maybe that happened. I'm sure some people took advantage of just chaos, but I also think people are fed up. Like, I don't think you can say it's just one thing or another. And yeah, and the idea of it's like, oh, it's these outside agitators. It's like, yeah, the cops. That's who the outside agitators are. The police don't live in Minneapolis. They don't live here. You're firing tear gas at people that are trying to protest your own, not even, I don't even know if you can call it a mistake, like your own horrible, atrocious actions. And you respond to that with more horrible, atrocious actions. Like your reaction to that is like, oh, I should.
tear gas this crowd i learned only yesterday you can't even use tear gas in warfare like that's a human rights violation but somehow you can use it against protesters during a pandemic yeah a respiratory illness yep cool cool so All right. To sum all that up, we have decided we want to try to do the tiniest little bit of good that we can. We're taking our June Patreon money. So whatever we get after Patreon takes their code, obviously, that's going to be passed on to an organization called Reclaim the Block. That is a local org in the Twin Cities that works on moving.
city funding from the police department to community health and safety. Editing Samantha here, breaking in to let you know that mere hours after we recorded this episode on Sunday, Reclaim the Block announced that they have received so many donations that they are now encouraging people to direct their money to other community groups. The group we have decided to donate our June Patreon money to is McGeezy, which is a Native American community and cultural center for Native American youth. Okay, now back to the show. So we would much rather the money went to that than to us. So that is what will happen to your Patreon money in June. Obviously, you'll still get all your rewards and whatever, but that's where the actual money is going to go. And I'm excited about that.
Me too. And we have such great listeners and we have heard from a lot of them making sure that we're okay, asking how they can help, blah, blah, blah. So, which, you know, thank you for that. You guys are so sweet. So we want to make sure that you're, you know, you supporting our show is also supporting this community. And I think that'll be a great way to do that. I agree. Any final thoughts before we start talking about Unsolved Mysteries? I don't have, you summed it up just really well. I just feel like Unsolved Mysteries, this feels so insignificant to talk about Unsolved Mysteries, but I also feel like this is.
In a way, it was nice to just sit down and watch Unsolved Mysteries and be like, okay, I'm just going to hear about a psychic from the 80s now. Yeah. I think it's kind of relevant. Like, I thought about this. Like, some podcasts are doing a podcast blackout. They're not having an episode this week in honor of George Floyd. And I think that's very nice. But because we are based in Minneapolis, it did seem like we should say something. Like, we're right here. It seemed like we should say something. And also, Unsolved Mysteries, I think it tries to skirt around police violence, but it's not in there. Like, police corruption is definitely a factor in...
some of these mysteries not being solved. And the fact, the police being the villains are the reason why these mysteries aren't solved. So it's not completely irrelevant. I completely agree with you. I think that's a fabulous perspective because it's really true. And it's a part of true crime, which unsolved mysteries, you know, in our podcast is a totally true crime, but it's a part of true crime that you can't, you can't have both, right? You can't talk about crimes and not talk about the justice system, which is broken. Yeah, that's what's so weird about that complaint. We've gotten it. I feel like every podcast has gotten it where people are like, oh, don't bring your politics into my true crime podcast. And it's kind of like, how? What?
like we're gonna talk about the police department we're not gonna talk about politics like you could say everything's political and there's definitely merit to that but there's certainly the police department is political the funding of the police department is political who they choose to investigate is political like what what absolutely absolutely um also just This is maybe not that important, but something I've thought about on this podcast, I never really discussed with Samantha, is that I feel like if your show is based in New York or L.A., you talk about that, right? Like, you make a big deal about that. But somehow, if you're somewhere else in the United States, you're supposed to kind of like, I don't know, act like it could be anywhere. You know, it's like a little bit more anonymous. Yeah, that's a really good observation. That is totally true. But I feel like from the beginning, we've been like, this is in Minnesota. This is a Minnesota-based podcast. Here's some great stuff about Minnesota, right?
i mean i'm a transplant i'm here because i love it i love this neighborhood and i love living here like let's talk about things that are going on and like cool stuff that's here and you know whatever whereas not only new york or la should be able to like you know talk about their community so that's part of why i feel like it's relevant also we just need we need justice for george man yep this is fucking bullshit okay now let's talk about a psychic from the 80s What a great segue. Here's the thing about this psychic is that he's still around, and I'll get to that in a minute. So this is a segment from the 80s, but George Anderson is still going strong in his psychic career. This is episode, I don't think I said, episode five. Oh, no, sorry. Season five, episode 10, right? Yes. Yes. Okay. Take it away. All right. So this is The Unexplained. And Unsolved Mysteries is profiling a psychic named George Anderson from Lynnhurst, New York.
George Anderson claims that he can communicate with spirits of deceased loved ones. In 1958, he was stricken with chickenpox and developed, I'm not going to be able to pronounce this, encephalomyelitis. I think that was perfectly correct. An inflammation of the brain and spinal cord. He nearly died, but when he recovered, he began hearing voices of people who had already died. Decades later, he began helping people with his power so they can speak to and be at peace with their deceased relatives. He has held thousands of psychic readings for people across the country. And in the episode, there's a few different things going on. First of all, they talk about...
to specific families that he helped. And in doing so, for some reason, they reenact it, but they specifically don't use George Anderson. They use an actor and they base their reenactment off of transcripts of the readings. I don't know. It's kind of strange. I guess because he was younger, but you wouldn't think Unsolved Mysteries cares about that because they have bad reenactments or people the wrong age all the time. Yeah. So I don't really see why they couldn't have him in it. And it must have been weird for him to see this guy playing him being psychic.
It's very strange. Normally Unsolved Mysteries tries to get the loved ones, the family members, the people involved to be in the renecments, but maybe George wasn't about that acting. Anyway, in 1980, he met radio host Joel Martin and gave Joel information about his deceased wife, Shirley. Joel convinced George to undergo tests with the chief of neurology at a hospital in New York City. And we see him going and do a CAT scan or something with electrodes on his head. The result of this test was that his EEG was extremely unusual and showed half sleep and half waking patterns.
Really not clear what that means or how that means he's psychic, but it's something about his brain. And then in 1982, George met Barbara and John Licata, who he gave information to about their deceased son, David. Later, Unsolved Mysteries filmed a session with George and the parents of Barry Silverman, who had died from cancer. They do do a live reading in the episode with the parents of Barry Silverman, who had died from cancer. And it's, I mean...
He knows, like Unsolved Mysteries says that as far as they know, he has no prior information about Barry Silverman or his family. Barry's father and mother, and I think sister or aunt is there. And he knows the name Barry, which is not like a super common name. He knows right away that they have lost someone, which would probably be easy to guess. And it really, you can tell that George Anderson has, like the purpose of what he's doing is to help families find closure.
Which, I don't know if this guy's a psychic or not. I'm not sure I believe in psychics. I have an article pulled up about cold reading that I could give you some information about. If he is a grifter, I'm not saying that he is, but if he is, he's probably doing a technique called cold reading. I'm reading off of Wikipedia. Cold reading is in contrast to hot reading. If a psychic does hot reading, it means that they've done some covert digging to get information. They can do that, especially now.
modern psychics can like you know if you're going to an event they have your name they can look you up um and get facebook information they also some psychics who do hot reading have been known to like send people out into crowds like before an event to like mingle and talk and get information from people that would be hot reading cold reading is a technique um where the like the psychic has no prior knowledge a practice cold reader i'm reading up wikipedia now can quickly obtain a great deal of information by analyzing the person's body language age clothing fashion hairstyle um religion etc um they typically start by impression of someone you know you see someone you sort of make the snap judgment about like what their lifestyle is like oh 100 i mean i hope people don't look at me and go that bitch eats at the cracker barrel but maybe they do i don't know a typical cold reader will start by asking um like general questions and based on your reactions to those questions um and then coupling that with information that they can observe then they sort of make these statements that you may interpret as them knowing something that they would have no way of knowing um and
Like I said, I'm not saying that George Anderson is cold reading, but I will say in this reading that we see him doing on Unsolved Mysteries, I did notice a few things. Oh, tell us, tell us. Well, for instance, so he does. OK, the notes I took were actually from one of the reenactments. It was actually the parents whose son died in a car accident. I believe that was John Licata. So people come to him, right, because typically to connect with deceased loved ones.
So he's sitting in front of like a middle-aged married couple who are very upset. It's a good guess that their son died or that a child has died. They're generally probably young enough to still have parents who are alive. So it's a good guess that they may have lost a child. They confirm that. Illness or accident. It's kind of a 50-50-50. He says, I'm seeing that there may have been an accident. They confirm that. What is a likely accident? These people are a little bit older. So there's a good chance that their child was a teenager.
likely cause of accidental death with a teenager, a car accident. So he says, I'm seeing a vehicle. Does that mean something? And they say, yes, it was a car accident. And then he says, I'm seeing... Statistically probable, right? Isn't that like the number one cause of death for teenagers is car accidents? At least it was when I was a kid and people were telling me to wear my seatbelt. People certainly told us that. I don't know if it's true. I don't know if it's true or not, but it's certainly up there, right? Then he goes on to say that their son was restless and emotional. Well, they just told you that their son was 16 when he died. What 16-year-old isn't emotional and restless? And then... Their son had like a zen stoic calm. Would you say that's true? Oh, no.
He was turbulent, emotional, going through puberty, huh? Right. So nothing that he's saying is like... I'm seeing that your son had a birthmark on his right hand. It struck me as being similar to cold reading, but maybe George Anderson is... It's also the smallest bit of information. It's like the smallest little piece of bread to pull them on a tree. You know what I mean? It's not like you come out with all of this right away. You don't go, oh, your son was 16 and died in a car. You give them one tiny morsel. You see if that's right. If they had said, I'm not sure why it would be a vehicle, he would have moved to something else.
Exactly. Oh, well, maybe you were going to give him a car. So anyway, when he died in that mine shaft, right? Like. Yeah. He drove a car to the park where he died. So there you go. Like, I don't know. It's not very concrete. It's not very concrete. It's vague enough that you can get information and it builds upon, which is a hallmark of cold reading. I guess the other thing I will say is that George is very good at this. So maybe he is a psychic. I don't know. The actual reading that we witnessed later in the episode with the parents of Barry Silverman, it's impressive, right? The way he just pulled the name Barry out of seemingly nowhere is impressive. The other thing is that he clearly has a way with people.
After he comes up, you know, he sees, interacts with Barry, whatever it is, you know, whatever it is he's seeing, he gives them some information. And then he has, this seems to be true in all of his readings. And probably it's a feature of him specializing in families, grieving families. He sort of gives these comforting words. Like, you know, I'm sensing that someone's blaming themselves for Barry's death.
Yeah. And it's really hard to watch the family being so upset. But you can also feel and they confirm it in the interviews on Self Mysteries that they got a lot of comfort from this psychic reading because George gives them a lot of comforting words. He says, your son doesn't blame you. I can sense that you've been torn up about this for years and he wants you to know that he's in a better place. You know what? I'm not saying the exact words, but he has some really comforting words and you can tell he's helping give them closure. So whether or not he's a psychic or if he's doing a cold reading or hot reading technique, I guess I can't say if it's right or wrong because it does seem like he's.
bringing something to these families that it has a therapeutic benefit yeah and i don't know okay so he's still around he has george anderson.com which props to you for getting that there's probably a million george anderson's props to you for getting that domain name um it was it was 1995 and he went you know what i think this internet thing is gonna stick around i'm i'm coughing up the 50 bucks for george anderson.com So I don't know his full depth and breadth of work over the years. His tagline on his website is the world's most scientifically tested medium. So that's cool. And if you go to his about page, you can see all these things that he's done. All these TV shows he's been on. Very impressive. But I'm reminded of like Sylvia Brown, right? Like a very controversial figure because Sylvia Brown would do things like give psychic readings to parents whose children have gone missing and tell them that your child is still alive out there somewhere. And which is...
been very damaging or um she would do things like she would give psychic readings to families whose loved ones had died by suicide and would say oh it wasn't actually suicide it was whatever fill in the blank and that's incredibly damaging um and it's not bringing closure it's bringing more turmoil to families that are you know going through something horrendous so it doesn't appear i'm not saying that he has has not done those things but it appears from what we saw in unsolved mysteries that he was giving readings to families um as a way of connecting them with their loved ones not giving them not solving you know sylvia brought some of these psychics are like working with police departments to bring us back to uh to bring us a little bit full circle here uh and like yeah it really is a fine line like how predatory is it like how much money is he getting from people how much is he yeah interrupting the grieving process versus helping people deal with their emotions and move on like from just this segment it didn't seem harmful it seemed positive i guess it's hard to say yeah for sure one way or the other
Anyway, he's still giving readings. You can go to georgeanderson.com and learn about the stuff he's on Facebook and Twitter. I will also say, you know, maybe this is a testament to his psychic abilities. I'm not sure if this photo of him is recent, but it kind of looks like George Anderson has not aged a day. I'm saying that's not real recent.
That's my psychic ability. I'm guessing that's not the most recent photo. Probably not. Yeah, I don't know. He could connect us with Robert Stack. Or do you think it has to be someone you actually had a connection with in life? You know what? I don't think people typically come to him to be connected with deceased celebrities they never met.
Maybe. I mean, he could talk to the dead, right? I don't know if Robert Stack would want to talk to us. You think Robert Stack is beyond the veil thinking about us? No. We shouldn't waste this ghost time. Yeah, Robert Stack probably has important things to do. He needs to contact his family or, I don't know, just be moved on in heaven, having threesomes every day, hanging out on his ghost yacht. I don't know. Yeah. I feel like I did not do this segment justice because this is what I wrote down. Excellent sweater. And then, is he psychic? Who cares? That's what I wrote down. I might have been a little distracted by Twitter at the time.
Oh, totally understandable. Sorry, I was a little distracted because I'm still on his website. And to get a reading with this guy, it's going to cost you $1,200. Okay, that does seem kind of expensive. He's reduced his price due to COVID. I'm assuming he's doing like Zoom sessions now. And so the price is down to $1,000 a session. Oh, big bargain.
Okay, that's only for one or two people. It's $1,700 for three people, and a family session is $2,000. What if it's a family, but it's only three people? Is that a technicality? I think it's a... An aside, Samantha, is that they looted a TJ Maxx. A TJ Maxx was looted. You know, the most surprising thing about that is that it wasn't us. We weren't there. Do you know how many Patsy Johnson earrings and scented candles I could have right now? We had looted a TJ Maxx. Listeners, I know you find this hard to believe, but we're not the ones looting that TJ Maxx. It wasn't...
Me and Liz are the only ones there looting the TJ Maxx. That did not happen. I wish it had happened. That's now unofficially my dream. I don't want to get in trouble. TJ Maxx would not have been my first choice to loot, though, if I'm being honest. Where would you go? Marshalls. Oh, really? Marshalls are home goods, actually. Probably home goods, now that I'm thinking about it. They just have a better selection of... I want the earrings, though. We might have to make two stops.
That's true. Home goods does not have accessories. I never look at the clothes anymore at TJ Maxx or Marshalls. That section is dead to me. I treat it more like a dry goods store where I'm like, oh, I'll get my soap and my olive oil and whatever. But if we're looting...
I kind of want some earrings. I don't know. I don't know. You're right. Because I haven't been able to go because of COVID, I haven't been able to just wander around Marshalls aimlessly and come home with 14 candles. I am low on candles. This is the insignificant, unimportant thing in the entire world. But if I had a chance to loot at Marshalls, you better believe I'd come out with all those candles. I've heard a rumor and probably TJ Maxx's and Marshalls have reopened now. At least things in Minnesota could reopen, which I would be ranting and raving about that if we didn't have other stuff going on. That's insane. But.
I had heard that all that stuff was going to be extra cheap because they've just been getting all this stuff while stores have been closed. And like, they were like, oh no, we don't know what to do with all these scented candles. They're going to be a dollar. And I was like, oh man. And I won't want to go because I don't want to get COVID. I know. That's the problem. Yeah. Well, it wasn't us. Also, am I a little bit insulted that no one in my family checked in to see if I burned down that police station and I need to bail money? Yeah, a little bit.
A little bit. No. Though, you may have seen people suggesting that you donate to the Minnesota Freedom Fund, which is a fund to help people get bail, which bail is a totally unfair system, but that's a conversation for another day. That fund has gotten $20 million. So incredible. From all over the world. Yeah. $20 million. To the point where they were like, okay, stop giving us money. There's only so many bails. Like, please give to these other orgs. I just think that's so amazing. Yeah, me too. So, no, I didn't burn down a police station. No, I didn't loot a TJ Maxx. Just bummed about that one.
I wish we had looted that TJ Maxx. It's been a minute since we've been to a TJ Maxx. And let me tell you, we're not at the point of looting one yet, but this goes on any longer. Maybe it's coming. I don't know. Restaurants are supposed to be opening June 2nd? Yeah, tomorrow. Oh my god. Tomorrow or Tuesday, restaurants are opening. I'm not going to a fucking restaurant. We are so doomed. I did eat some free pie today from the pie shop. Mac was like, I don't know if that's a good idea. And I was like, look.
I really could go for a slice of free pie. But I'm not going to go sit at a restaurant. I've been getting, there's a smoothie place near where I live and you can place your order for a smoothie bowl online and they'll just put it on the table at their door. Delicious. Maybe I'm getting COVID from one of those smoothies, but they are so good. Now I'm just picturing me like hiding outside like a raccoon trying to steal smoothie bowls. It's a very, this is the other thing about Minnesota, right? It's like very like, they're not worried about anyone stealing those smoothie bowls. You just have your post-it note with your name on it and it could be anyone coming up and picking it up.
Now, so much of this stuff is just like, oh, we'll leave it outside for you. All right. You weirdos. Oh, my God. Other such a minor complaint in these trying times. I'm playing, you know, last night. Oof. Stressful, right? Looking at the Twitter feed, seeing things are really going down in Chicago. People are stealing police horses and riding them around. Fucking John Cusack is getting beat with police batons. And I'm like, whoa. It's like, all right, before I go to bed, I need to, like, not be so hot. I'm going to play some Animal Crossing. Try to unwind.
I am playing Animal Crossing. I shoot down one of those presents on a balloon, right? That always has the most random shit in it. I got a police uniform. I was like, I don't want this. Of all the times to get a police... No.
No. You can just throw it in the garbage. I wish there was. No, I sold that shit for Belle so fast. Oh my god. Anyway, I think that might be all we have to say about George the maybe psychic. That's definitely all I have. That's all I have to say about George Anderson. He has really nice hair. He's very solid pepper. It's true. I have nothing else to say. Full head of hair on that guy. Okay. Then we get an unnecessary update. It's about three siblings finding each other and it's very heartwarming and sweet, but we already did it! Yeah, it's like the whole segment again. We don't need that again. Why are you doing this to me on Solid Minstries? Get off my dick. Okay.
Now it's time for an unexplained death. This is a good case, I will say. This is the case of Jacqueline DiWallaby, which Mac was just like walking by and was like, why are you watching something about wallabies? And I was like, no, it's not the wallaby. I kind of wish it was, but. It's not Jacqueline, the cartoon character who's a wallaby. It's DiWallaby is the last name. Okay. So this takes place in Midlothian, Illinois. So it starts with David DiWallaby and his son, also named David because he's not creative. We're up early.
uh he was like getting his son breakfast and stuff at this point david de wallaby noticed that the front door was partially open but he thought that his elderly mother who lived with them had left it open so their mom lives with them but she has like a separate basement apartment sort of thing so to get to her unit i think she uses their front door and you know whatever maybe she had gone out or come in and like left the door open so he noticed the door was open but he didn't really think that much about it So two hours later, his wife Cynthia gets up and goes into her daughter Jacqueline's bedroom to wake her up. Then she realizes that Jacqueline is not in her bed. She goes to go ask her husband if he's seen Jacqueline. And he was like, no, I thought she was in her room. So they just assume that she's playing outside in the neighborhood because they're like much less paranoid people than I would be. So David goes out and he's like looking around the neighborhood. He's asking all the neighbors. And then they realize that nobody's found her. And at that same point, Cynthia, who's been looking around the house, realizes that not only is Jacqueline not in her room, but her like quilt, her comforter isn't on the bed either. And that's weird because that's not something she would take with her.
So at this point, I think they're going to over to their next door neighbor's house. And at that point, Cynthia is like walking past their house and realizes that a window into that basement apartment has been broken in. So at that point, they call the police. The police and the FBI come and they're to investigate a kidnapping. However, no ransom call is made. They monitor the phones for like four days and nothing comes. Four days later, her body is discovered in a field in the nearby suburb of Blue Island. Her comforter was with a body along with a length of rope that was used to kill her. Shortly after this, David and Cynthia are accused of her murder. The reason for this was that the window looked like it might have been smashed from the inside instead of from the outside. So they asked David, the FBI asked David to take a polygraph test.
He actually was told that he passed that with flying colors. After that, the state of Illinois wanted him to take a polygraph test. They were saying they had like different experts in the FBI. Could he take another one? He is trying to cooperate with the investigation. I think I would have been like, no, fuck you. Please quit harassing me and my family during this horrible time. Our daughter is dead.
But he was trying to help. He agrees to take another one. That one is inconclusive. And they wrote in the port that he was uncooperative. And he explains that when he was uncooperative, they said they wanted to test. Part of taking a lie detector test is they test you knowingly lying to compare it to the other results. So I would be like, hi, my name's Samantha. And they would record what it's like when it's lying. But the lie they asked him to tell was that he had killed his daughter.
Yeah, gee, I wonder why they were asking that. I'll say something else, but I'm not going to say that. And so they decided that he was uncooperative. It also doesn't surprise me because lie detectors are just stress tests. It doesn't surprise me that after that he was stressed out and then his thing is considered inconclusive. They basically just accused him of murder and then we're like, okay, let's do the lie detector now. So that's why I think these are the Midlothian police. I don't know. Some of the state police or local police consider him uncooperative.
They then interrogate David for like five hours or something. And as part of that interrogation, they tell him that his daughter is dead. This is a little bit out of order. Like we already know they found the body. But at this point, David DiWallaby doesn't know that his daughter is dead. So when they tell him his daughter is dead, he doesn't believe them because he thinks that's a police tactic because he knows the police are allowed to lie to you. So he like storms out, goes home and finds his wife and his mom crying on the couch because it's true. Jacqueline was found dead.
But that's how they told him that news as part of the interrogation, which is terrible. Anyway, so after that, David actually tried for her murder on largely circumstantial evidence. So the evidence is that it's very weak. It's that the window might have been broken in from the inside. But the problem with that evidence is they didn't collect the window glass right away. They waited a few days. It had already been thrown out and they took it from a trash can.
They don't even have all the glass to work with. That like part of the crime scene was not preserved. The other part was that there is a like towel rack, like a metal rack with bars below that window. And they were saying if a grown man had stepped on that, it would have bent. Well, they actually had a neighbor crawl through that window on his stomach and show that you don't necessarily have to step on that towel rack to get down. So the fact that it's not bent isn't really evidence of anything.
this ended in a split decision but david was convicted was this where they also had the witness with the nose thing oh my god yes i didn't even write this down this is so stupid so so stupid a witness says that he saw someone with a prominent nose okay oh there's a lot to unpack there yeah uh uh i think like near the body like in the parking lot near the body but but the photo when you show people photos from a photo array to pick out a suspect they're all supposed to be the same size so that one of them is not standing out, right? That was not true in this case. David DeWallaby's photo was significantly larger than the other photos. So his nose was significantly larger. The other thing is that this witness did not actually see the person. They only saw, it was dark, it was in shadow. The witness was able to identify the exact area where they, and when the police went there, you could see that it's like partially obscured from where they would have been. So they said that they saw the anatomical shape of a large nose. And then somehow decided from the police lineup that the shape of that nose was the same shape of David.
It's completely ridiculous. I couldn't roll my eyes harder. It's like if you had an old timey silhouette, like just the outline of someone's face and you were walking down like trying to like, oh yeah, this kind of like, that's the worst eyewitness testimony I've ever heard. And they're treating this like it's, and by they, I mean like the prosecutors, like that was ironclad evidence. I'm not going to see just the shape of someone's nose and then be able to tell from a picture of someone I don't know that that's their nose. It's not even someone that knew him and recognized him.
It's just some stranger. No, it's terrible. Also, a couple of eyewitnesses said that they had seen Cynthia's car by the dump site. And then that was like later proven not to be true, that her car was home the whole time. So it's just like, it's almost like just like gossip. It's not evidence at all. So David was actually convicted with this shoddy evidence, but that attracted a lot of media attention, particularly caught the attention of one reporter who, sorry, I failed to write down their name, but.
They got a lot of press coverage for this because it really didn't seem like justice had been served. And the Court of Appeals overturned that conviction after 18 months. We hear from the police that they still think that someone in the home was responsible for Jacqueline's death, which I wrote down this is sort of similar to the JonBenet case in that way. Both with like this window break-in evidence and them thinking that it's someone in the family. I don't know. Well, the frustrating part. Oh, sorry. Go ahead with the update. Oh, the update is that David DeWalby is eventually officially exonerated. It's clearly not him. I think that that.
They don't say what that means. I'm assuming that's from DNA evidence once that becomes available. And we do have a couple of possible suspects from Unsolved Wiki, but go ahead. Well, I was just going to say the frustrating thing is that the police officer, the detective, I'm not exactly sure who it was, Unsolved Mysteries interviewed, said, as far as I'm concerned, they were not found innocent. The courts decided there was not enough evidence. That's how trials work! Which means, basically they're saying without saying, that we still believe they did it. So then are you looking for, if you believe they are guilty, and it was just a technicality where you didn't have enough evidence, then I assume that means you're not actually looking for whoever did this. Yeah, that's a really good point. So speaking of the system working perfectly.
It's frustrating for them to be like, well, they weren't proven innocent. I was like, that's not what trials do. You fail to prove them guilty, possibly because they did not do it. Yeah, the burden of proof. Aren't you supposed to know how this works? Okay, but this is, okay, we have some kind of interesting possible suspects. This is coming from Unsolved Mysteries Wiki.
So after the broadcast, two viewers called the telecenter and refuted the alibi of one of the original suspects. The suspect was Timothy Guest, Jacqueline's biological uncle. Guest was a diagnosed schizophrenic who claimed he was working at a local restaurant the night of Jacqueline's murder. However, at least five regular patrons at the restaurant have stated that Guest was not there that night. Also, one of Guest's original alibi witnesses has since changed her story. Guest also has links to the apartment next to where Jacqueline's body was found.
Jacqueline's case was reopened by the state attorney's office. However, charges were never filed against Guest. According to journalist David Protas, oh, that's the journalist I was talking about earlier. I can't remember his name. Guest later told him that a spirit lived inside him and told him the details of Jacqueline's murder.
Guess also told him about the layout of the Diwallaby home, even though he had supposedly never been inside. He also knew that the light was on in Jacqueline's closet, but not her bedroom, which is chilling to me. This detail had never been released to the public. Despite the evidence against him, Guess was never charged. He died in 2002. Another suspect, convicted sex offender Perry Horrendas, was investigated. He had committed a similar abduction one year after Jacqueline's murder. However, evidence on Jacqueline's body did not match him and was cleared by authorities. I think that's whatever evidence they're talking about on Jacqueline's body.
I'm assuming that's DNA evidence. I'm guessing that's also clear David DiWalby. The DiWalbys have since moved and changed their last names due to publicity from the case. They hope Jacqueline's murder can be solved. It's really fucking sad. It's possible I didn't do this justice either. I didn't do any more research on this.
it kind of sounds to me yeah i've been a little distracted it's true it sounds to me like it really might be the uncle this this thing about spirit possessed him and told him what happened that knowing details that you really couldn't know unless you were there i mean that's it would make sense why that was the victim if his and his apartment is by the dump site and i don't know it just kind of makes sense it doesn't mean he did it but i wouldn't be too surprised if that was the truth um is that the end there were only two mysteries in this episode The fuck? All right. All right. Let's read it. Yeah, I guess let's read it. Let's do this. I don't know how. So our first category is mysteriousness. I don't know how mysterious this is. No, I mean, I like that we got a psychic. We haven't had a psychic mystery in a while, but it doesn't have a mysterious air to it. It's not super. It's a little more sad because it's all these grieving families. Yeah, I'm going to say thumbs down on mysteriousness. Even though we don't know who killed Jacqueline either. Again, it's more sad. And the segment in general was more about the parents being accused of her murder. Yeah, that's true. They are looking for.
But they didn't have any evidence, right? So there wasn't much Unsolved Mysteries could say about it, except, you know. This doesn't seem like, yeah, the evidence was very flimsy. Yeah, so I'm not thinking it's that mysterious. The reenactments?
fine i guess fine i don't know so unimportant i mean that's kind of how i'm feeling like who it doesn't matter um and the fashion i don't know there weren't there was some blue eyeshadow at one point i don't remember who it was on and a very plucked eyebrow oh well yeah that was the thinnest little eyebrow you ever can see if you drew in if you draw in your your eyebrows with just one line of eyeliner they would be thicker than these eyebrows somehow uh yeah also i only drew one mustache in this it was from my case and it was the cop that was like convinced they did it I don't even think he should win. I don't remember his mustache, to be honest. It was very pale and I literally called it some old man. But I don't want to give it to him. So I say there's no MVM. The fashion was like, who cares? I did like that Robert Stack seemed to be in Hollywood Forever Cemetery. That made me happy. And then I just thought about how maybe when the world gets a little better, a little less weird, we should go to Hollywood Forever Cemetery. And that would be lovely. That's a trip I would love to take. That sounds so nice right now. I don't know if we're going to get a chance to go to the Mothman Festival or not. It's too soon to tell. So maybe we'll be able to...
save up such a bummer do something next year i know i was like honestly the one of the only things i was looking forward to this year but it's really not important things can be not important and still a bummer that's true like yeah yeah yeah of course the world is disappointed right now it's disappointing right now and some of them are significant some of them aren't but the pandemic it's a lot of emotions i'm bummed that uncle hugo's the sci-fi bookstore burned down because that place was just like such a gem and it had so many like old paperback books that just had been clearly there forever. And I was like, how are they going to restart that, you know? Right. And is that the most important thing? No, of course not. But does it suck? Yeah, it kind of does. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I guess we have to rate it on a Robert Stack scale, but. Two? Two and a half? It was fine. I don't know. I'm never going to watch this episode again. No, I found that The Wallaby case kind of interesting, but that's not enough for a whole episode. No, and I don't really. Where's the ghost? Where's the UFO? Where's the two mysteries?
Please. Yeah. Honestly, we should rate it low just for two mysteries alone. I say it's two because it's two mysteries. Yeah. There you go. One rubber stack for each mystery. That's the end.
Well, we're not going to do our regular recommendations this week. So many people have reached out asking if there's ways to help that we wanted to address that instead. Who says an Unsolved Mysteries rewatch podcast can't be a positive force for change? Oh, everyone? Well, we're going to talk. Yeah. Listen up, bitches. Our original plan was that we were each going to choose two worthy organizations to recommend for folks who want to financially support or support in any way.
But I think we both had a bit of an issue where we couldn't pick just two. I don't know. I felt overwhelmed. I honestly started crying. And Mac was like, what's wrong? And I was like, I don't know which ones to pick. Now, granted, maybe I have some emotions. I just needed to get out. But it also did feel sort of overwhelming. Because there's a lot of people doing a lot of good. Yeah, which that's great. But also, it's like, how do I rank and just pick? There's not two that are most important, right? Because there's so many. So are there any specifically, maybe not just two, or some that come to mind that you want to point out?
yeah so we're gonna have a link in our show notes to a whole list of ways to help and that you don't have to have money you don't ready to donate there's numbers to call there's petitions to sign there's other stuff to do if you want to help but there's also a bunch of organizations and a little summary of what they do and then you can go to their website to check it out and see um what you're most interested in supporting or where you think your money would do the most good at this point the freedom fund the bail fund has 20 million dollars so they don't need your money right now if you'd like to give it to someone else we're gonna be giving that patreon money to reclaim the block I think that's a really great organization. Something I didn't see on the list that I wanted to include was there is a fund to rebuild McGeezy, which is a Native American community center that burned down. And I think that's really important. And we help them get rebuilt. They're only looking to raise $50,000. It seems very small and reasonable. And if we could help them with that, I think that would be great. Yeah. But there's a lot of other great organizations on there. Black Visions Collective.
The Black Visions Collective specifically is working with Reclaim the Block on a petition that you can sign that when I looked at it this morning did not have as many signatures as their goal. They have not met their goal. I think they were at like 87 signatures or 87% of their goal as far as signatures, which is a petition for... the city of Minneapolis to defund the Minneapolis police department. So if you, I mean, that's something you could do right now to help that doesn't cost a dime. You can sign their petition and help them reach their goal. I don't know where their goal will be at by the time this podcast episode comes out, but that's like Liz said, a way that you could contribute. You know, times are tough, right? We're in the middle of a pandemic. People are out of work. You might not have the financial means, but there, this list I'm looking at right now, it's a Google doc that I think is being continually updated, has tons of different ways that you can help. And that's just one of them. Yeah. We're all limited by our means, right? Except Jeff Bezos, who never helps anybody, but.
most of us are limited by our means most of us are limited by our means but we're still we're still doing what we can and if that's signing a position or if that's calling the the police department and saying you know third degree murder is not an appropriate charge or charge these other police officers like the community would really appreciate that i'm sure george's family would really appreciate that there's an organization called we love lake street which is an area that was really affected so you can yeah help with their cleanup efforts or you can give them money or you can you know see what else they're going to be doing to organize donations and stuff like that yeah yeah I think that's all we had to say about that. I think so. I wanted to point out more, but it's just, there's, it's, it's a bit overwhelming and in a good way, right? There's so many people that are stepping up to help in so many organizations that, you know, it's overwhelming to decide where the small amount of money that we have should go, but that's, that's a good problem to have. I am hopeful, maybe naively, but I am hopeful that some good is going to come out of this and that some good can come out of the fact that we're all paying attention to George Floyd's murder. So let's help that along. Let's help justice along there. Yeah. Right. Absolutely. Oh, everyone. I hope you're staying safe.
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I want to read captions of his sons making fun of him on Instagram. Yes. Let's do it. Okay. Is that all the stuff that we say? Oh, five-star reviews. We need some. Particularly at the end of this episode, I want to say that we only accept five-star reviews. So you can really keep those two-star reviews yourself. Write them on a piece of paper and throw it away because it's not acceptable. Oh, justice for George Floyd, man. That's where it all ends. Stay safe. Take care, everyone. We love you. Bye. Yeah. Yeah. Bye.