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Hello there. This is Liz and Samantha at Perhaps It's You, an unofficial Unsolved Mysteries Rewatch podcast. And we're here and we're going to try our darndest. Look, we're doing our best. I'm Liz. I'm Samantha. And we're dedicated podcasters, is what I got to say. Hell yeah, we are. Because this week, it's only Tuesday, but it's just like not going well. How could it possibly be only Tuesday? I don't know. I'm sorry. It's got to be at least Thursday. We got our tees days mixed up, certainly. There's no way.
Well, I definitely like on all of our social media was like, perhaps it's you back tomorrow. And then you were like, Liz, tomorrow's Wednesday. And I was like, huh, that's an interesting fact because we definitely were supposed to be coming back on a Thursday, but I didn't know what day it was. So that's fine. Whatever. You know, again, the goal this year is just to literally just to survive. And if you do anything on top of that, kudos to you.
Damn. Damn, damn, damn. Do we have any updates? I don't really have any updates. Just, you know, thank you to all of our listeners for the love for our starting season six. Oh, absolutely. We seem to be excited that we're back. We just passed a milestone, didn't we, with our downloads? We just passed 150,000 total downloads, which I think is mostly my mom going to different libraries, downloading the show on different computers. But I think we should recognize her determination, her patience.
her support of this program to be willing to hit all those different ip addresses like thanks mom it's a lot of work appreciate that yeah yeah so thanks mom thanks mama walker um i don't know i don't my mind is a blur Everything seems really foggy today. So you reminded me that we had done a virtual tour over the weekend through Mysterious Chicago. And even though I enjoyed the tour and I thought it was really informative, I completely forgot that we had done that. I did. Although I really, really liked it. I retained only nuggets of information. I remember him talking about some dude getting eaten by a wolf.
yeah it was it was about early chicago murders so like the first murders that happened after chicago was established as a city and there was a lot of information there was a lot of um visuals it was hosted by this guy named adam and he clearly really knew his shit and he had done a lot of research on this and he had a lot of you know um documentation and stuff to support his facts and he was also just like funny and interesting but he went through that information really quick And I am not a morning person. And it was in the morning. And when it was over, I was like, well, I think I retained none of that. Like, it was interesting. I enjoyed it. I'm glad we did it. I could not tell you anything that I learned. What I will say about it is that it was highly entertaining. The production value was way better than I expected. So much better than what I thought we were getting, which might have been like a phone video of a cemetery or something. I wasn't making a freaking video. And this had like choreographed audio. Yeah. He would like pull in like.
photos of the people if there was any known photos or illustrations from the newspaper at the time from like when they went on trial he was pulling up all this different stuff like you know that he had found in his research and that was really cool I was not expecting that um just from the chat it's clear that lots of people listen to like all of his talks and then like kind of know each other in the chat which is funny because I'd be like hey guys sorry I'm a little late like blah blah blah so there's like a little community of people that are listening to these mysterious Chicago talks which was interesting um if you're interested in checking one out I highly recommend it uh you just have to it's like through Facebook It's like a Facebook Live thing. So if you just follow Mysterious Chicago on Facebook, you can watch the tours there. The event page had a link to Eventbrite to buy a ticket, but you don't actually need one. And he puts up his Venmo and maybe his PayPal so you can tip him for the talk. I don't know. We each gave $10. I don't know if that's good or bad, but that's what we did. I would do it again.
But yeah, man, I wish I had an interesting factoid to share with everyone and I really don't. I kind of don't either, but I did really enjoy it. You definitely get more than you do on a tour. I mean, obviously a tour is nice to walk around and see things for yourself, but you don't get to see photos, newspaper clippings, things like that. You don't get to see the outrageous mustaches that were part of life in early Chicago, which was definitely a thing.
yeah so much murder yeah and I think he has some like more like coming up some like different themed tours coming up I know there's one on Christmas Eve and I think there's one about women I don't the lineup looked really interesting so I would definitely recommend checking it out something fun to do virtually yeah I haven't done any virtual tours I guess so far this is the first one I've done I guess the idea seems a little depressing to me I know it's like a way to do an activity when we can't go outside but I previously hadn't really had a lot of appeal to me, but then I realized that Samantha and I could do the same one and then talk about it. And that seemed more appealing than just like me doing it by myself. I don't know. Stay out of early Chicago. Yeah. Sounds dangerous. Don't recommend. This guy was way better than our ghost tour bus guy.
You may recall that when we were in Chicago for the podcast festival, of course, we naturally decided we needed to do a ghost tour. And we did the one with the bus. But we got this very grumpy guy that just wanted to complain about his ex-wife that owns the business named Ursula. And he kept referring to different parts of Chicago as Skid Row, which is unfortunate and also inaccurate. My favorite part about that tour, I think I mentioned this last time we talked about it, but there was a bunch of teenagers on the tour with us. It was like a football team or something, but there was a bunch of teenagers. And like halfway through the tour, some teenage boy in the back of the bus just goes, I thought there were going to be ghosts.
They were clearly so disappointed and just ready to get the fuck off that bus. Because he didn't even talk about things. He just pointed out areas where people had died and said, a lot of people died here, so there must be ghosts. I don't think that guy believes in ghosts. Which I don't know if you have to believe in ghosts to give it to Ghost War, but he wasn't even entertaining the possibility of ghosts. He was literally just be like, yeah, a boat sank here. A ton of people died. I don't know.
Make a bit what you will. My favorite part of that tour was how Kamechi really harped on the fact that the John Hancock building is like a portal to evil and that that's why it's full of so many spiders. And now I will never look at that building the same. He really did make it sound like there's just, it's crawling with spiders. Like you might open up a door and there's just a horror movie level of just gigantic. And I guess it's more on like the outside or maybe the inside too, but just cause it's so tall.
The spiders are up there to keep warm. I don't know. I'm never going to the top of the John Hancock building. That's for sure. It's apparently Australia up there. No thanks. I read a book series that actually is partially set in Minnesota that I did really like. Oh, I remember this. I do not recommend it. Maybe I recommend it on the podcast. It's called Skitter. Yes, you did. It's completely ridiculous. But also, I was thoroughly entertained in all three books. But it's about gigantic end of the world spider plague. These spiders take over the world. I would kill myself at the beginning of this plague. If that's what's coming for us in 2021.
Peace out. It's been real. I'm not sticking around to see how the gigantic spider plague ends up. I don't want to be one of the last five people on Earth that has to make peace with the giant spiders. Pass. Pass. You know, I give my life maybe a B plus and I'll just check out now. Yeah. No thanks. No. I should really go talk to Lakewood Cemetery about getting that spot I want in the mausoleum. Yeah. I got to find out how much that costs. I just got to start steaming up. It would be nice to go on like a real cemetery tour, ghost tour.
you would maybe maybe next year no maybe maybe i really want to go to a museum oh wouldn't that be fun yeah i would love to wander around a museum until i get a little bit tired take a break for a couple tea and then be like i'm back another floor let's go that sounds so good Okay. Now I'm just making everyone sad. I think it's time to talk about an always cheery topic, Unsolved Mysteries. Oh, yeah. We're on season six, episode two. This one isn't like as soul crushingly depressing as episode one. No, it would have been nicer to open with this one, honestly. Or maybe they could have put the hypnosis and the paranormal one from this episode of one episode opened with that. Yeah. It would have been opening to the season. Oh, well. No one listens to me. Right. Which obviously they should. I have all the ideas for Unsolved Mysteries. Call me up.
All right. Our first mystery is a wanted. We are looking for the true identity of convicted bank robber, Jose Antonio Gonzalez. Robert Stack tells us that is a known alias. We know his name is not Jose Antonio Gonzalez, but we don't know his real name is. It's kind of an exciting phrase, isn't it? A little bit. I guess I do have a known alias because I don't go by my first name. Your name is a known alias. Oh, I feel so.
Like a spy. I'm hunting west right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Known alias. So on December 11th, 1990, two bank employees arrived at a mall in Anchorage, Alaska to restock an automated teller machine. The security guard took the cash into a small secluded room behind the machine while the teller went outside to reprogram the ATM. There's some dedicated employees working on the weekend.
When she returned to the room, a masked man appeared and put a gun to her back. He demanded that she open the door to the room. Once inside, he had the teller put the money in a bag. He tied up the security guard and demanded that the teller grab the tape from the surveillance camera. After that, the robber left with the money and the tape. That's the thing. This guy really knew what he was doing. We see a lot of robbers who honestly shouldn't be robbing. Fumbles.
Exactly. If you're getting known as fumbles, maybe robbery isn't your vocation of choice. Like maybe that's not your destiny, fumbles. But this guy, he seems to really know his shit. And I'm kind of impressed, I have to admit. Yeah, this is not his first time. The FBI believed that the robbery was an inside job, although the two employees did not recognize their assailant. Suspicion soon fell on Gonzalez, who was a former security guard at the bank. At the time, he was already being investigated for a similar robbery. He also, okay, in the reenactment, he's being played by a dude who's like way bigger than him. Like reenactment him is...
Looks like a 90s baseball player and has a mustache. Yes. Did you name it? The Magnum P.I., which I don't think we've used yet. How have we not used that one yet? I don't know. I don't think we have, but that's definitely this mustache. Yeah, I totally agree. So, however, he vanished before he could be questioned. Two days later at a post office in Redmond, Washington, a worker noticed a partially opened package. Upon further investigation, he saw a gun inside the package. Whoops. The address on the box was for Gonzalez. Okay, actually, maybe I was giving him too much credit.
I'm going to interrupt you just to say he couldn't even tape a box closed properly. Not only could he not tape a box closed properly, but he mailed his guns to himself. To his own name. Yeah, that's not the best move. During his crime. Oh, true. His known alias. Not smart. Not smart. So another box was also found that was addressed to Gonzalez. Postal inspectors obtained a warrant to inspect both boxes, and they found several loaded guns and a bag containing $65,000 in cash.
So not looking good. The evidence is really mounting up. Yeah, especially because that was the exact amount taken from the Anchorage agency. Exactly. And it's not like a common number. No, it was $65,540. And it was exactly that amount. Yeah, that is a little suspicious. I don't know that that counts as hard evidence, but...
It's hard to deny that coincidence. No, Jose, you need to split up your package. One package to yourself and include a loaded gun. I'll say lots of people that send me packages actually address them to my dog, Lenny Briscoe. And if they include guns and money and stuff, I guess I'll just be like, I don't know. My dog must order that. It wasn't me. Look, my dog's an Ambien. He's been doing a lot of late night shopping. I can't control it. I'm not responsible for this crazed creature. You don't know what he's like.
So after this, the postal inspector set up what they call a controlled delivery, which is essentially a sting operation in which they hide out at the post office when he comes to get his packages. That's an exciting day at the post office. I want to see that. The postal police come and do a sting. I've always thought I would be good at being the postal employee at the post office that just kind of has to yell at everyone for not following the rules. You know what I think, why I think that being, working at a post office might be, I'm not going to say like a good customer service job because I'm not sure that that exists, but it's not a job where you're expected to be friendly because I don't know that I've ever met a friendly person.
some but in a way it's a hindrance because You can't just be chatting people up. At least not in a city post office. You've got to move people along. You need someone who's more of a stickler and hopefully does a lot of dramatic sighing. I like that in a postal employee. I don't know. I think I might be good at it. Working at a post office or working at an impound lot, you don't need to smile. I appreciate any job where I don't have to smile. I think you could be good at it. I could also be good at it.
Ma'am, this isn't taped closed. This is not going to work. What is this? Your dog chew up this box? I'm sorry. What is this? Yeah. On December 14th, 1990, Gonzalez arrived to pick up his packages in Redmond. He left with his packages and was immediately arrested as he placed them into his car. He was charged with armed bank robbery and four counts of illegal transportation of firearms. Once in custody, he was quite cooperative. Almost too cooperative. Which is not a phrase I don't think we've heard before. People are like, uh.
Could you actually stop giving us so much information about yourself? You pretty much sat down and was like, here's my social security number. Here's where I grew up. This is where I was born. This is my first middle and last name. And the investigators were like, why are you telling us all of this? I went to the seventh grade home climbing glance with a girl named Danielle. Write that down. My favorite color is teal. They were like, we do not care. Stop talking about yourself.
So he told the investigators he was born in Puerto Rico, graduated from Knickerbocker High School in New York, and attended West Virginia University. He also listed his birth date, social security number, and other personal information. However, all of the information he gave ended up to be completely false. Ah, you don't say. Investigators did locate a Jose Antonio Gonzalez who was born in Puerto Rico in 1952. However, it was a child who ended up dying of tetanus just 10 days after their birth. It is believed that the robber stole the child's identity. Under further questioning, he told investigators that he had served in the French Foreign Legion for several years. He also claimed to be a mixed martial arts expert. I don't know.
If we're taking that to this fact. I once punched a shark. Like, just whatever you want to say about yourself. Get it out there. I don't know if we believe anything this guy says. That's why Mystery told us this as if it might lead to us finding him. Yeah, yeah. Like, go find this martial artist. I'd be like, I used to be a first class sprinter. They would look at me like, really? Just whatever you want. Yeah. Although while awaiting trial, it was discovered that he was fluent in at least four different languages. English, Spanish, French, and Croatian.
Which seems so handy in prison. Man, what an asset. On October 15th, 1992, Gonzalez was convicted of armed bank robbery and sentenced to the Sheridan Federal Penitentiary in Oregon. Is it really called the Sheridan? Or is it Sheridian? I don't know. I don't know. I think it's Sheridan, so that's kind of cruel. Maybe it's just an old hotel and they put bars on the roofs. Look, I watched this episode several days ago. I don't exactly remember how it was pronounced. It's totally gone from my brain. Who knows? Investigators believed that two women associated with him may hold the key to his identity. His girlfriend, Brenda Penninger, and a woman named Nadine Castell.
However, both women vanished before they could be questioned. And to date, no one knows who Gonzalez really is or what happened to him. I can't remember if it was Brenda or Nadine who was like this mysterious woman that had never had a job and had all this money and they thought that maybe she was like setting up. Yeah, she seemed cool. She was like getting his identities and stuff. She tried to pick up his car and they wouldn't let her. Oh yeah, she went to the impound lot and tried to get his car and they were like, who are you? But she just seemed like this woman of mystery and it didn't work and just like arranged things for criminals and took a cut. Yeah. Pretty swanky life. So this mystery is solved as a result of... Yeah, because someone's a narc. Who turned him in? It's true.
Gonzalez has been identified, and I'm going to probably mispronounce his name. It is Milorad Vakovic. He was a 27-year-old Yugoslavian national who was born in France. He was deported to France after serving eight years in prison. Penninger and Castel were both located after the broadcast as well, but they were never charged in connection to the rubberies.
And this guy seems interesting, I'll say. Yeah. I feel bad for the people with the robbery. That was probably traumatic. But otherwise, I'm just intrigued. Other than that, I am kind of just intrigued. About this man's life. He seems like he probably has a good story, but we don't really get much of it. No, sadly, no. Okay. I have a paranormal mystery for everyone. Yes. A.K.A. The Unexplained, which goes back to October 21st, 1978 in Australia. Around 6 p.m., the...
I wrote down what type of airplane this is, and I'm already like, huh, I don't know what this word is. Cessna 182? Okay. A little plane. Yeah, it's a little plane. It left from Robin Airport near Melbourne.
The pilot was 20-year-old Frederick Valentich. He had been flying for two years, and his goal was to become a commercial pilot. This flight was to fly for 40 minutes along the coast and then south to King Island and back. He had flown this route before, and it was a pretty straightforward flight. About halfway through the flight, he contacted air control to say that there was a large aircraft above him. He reported that it had one or two flights. It was passing 1,000 feet above him. It was traveling at a fast speed. There was no known aircraft in the area.
The person he was talking to at Air Traffic Control said that he wasn't panicking, but he sounded confused and concerned. In the reenactment, this is literally like a hovering green glowing sphere. Like a laser pointer. Yeah, not even a sphere. Yeah, like a dot that he's like, what is this? Is this a military aircraft and ground control or whatever you call it? I was just like, what? No, I don't know.
He reported that it was now hovering over him and that it was not an aircraft. Okay, then there's an unidentifiable clicking noise and then the radio went dead. So there's been no sign of his aircraft ever. They never found it. There was no evidence of a crash. However, an eyewitness did come forward. They were out in a Jeep at the time.
driving along the coast and they noticed a strange activity in the sky they saw a green light floating a thousand to maybe two thousand feet above an airplane and the airplane was flying at a steep angle so the driver of this jeep was concerned the plane would crash but the plane actually like went out of his view behind at least in the reenactment behind like a mountain or a cliff so he didn't see exactly what happened at this time a photographer was also taking photographs of the sunset And one of those photographs has a dark blob in it. And I'm here to tell you that is an air and developing. That is not UFO. It looks like the film got burnt. Isn't a UFO? Oh my God. He sends it to someplace for analysis and they tell him like, this is definitely in the photograph and it's not part of the developing and it's a metallic object. And you're just like, no, it's not. Like I'm not an expert. And you just look at this misshapen dark thing. You're like, that is not something of substance. That is not something that's in a photograph. Oh, it literally looks like it got burnt or smudged or something. Something was in the chemicals or.
Dust. I don't know. It's not anything. I don't know why I find this so frustrating. But then he sends it to a second place for genetic analysis and they're like, yeah, that's just a flaw. Why did you even send us this? He did admit that when he was taking the photographs, he didn't see or hear anything. Okay, so it's an invisible UFO? Yeah. A little ghost? Yeah, I mean, I guess. This is weird because no wreckage has ever recovered. We hear from his father. That's really sad. He kept all his stuff, hoping that at one point, Frederick was going to come home. But that never happens. It's sad because his family had actually, before they were notified that his plane had gone down,
They heard about the crash and they knew that this was a route he flew a lot. And so they were like, oh, no, I hope that's not our son. And then they got the call. It's so sad. Yeah, it's really sad. Unsolved Mysteries Wiki tells us that no trace of him or his plane has ever been found. But in 1983, the engine cowl flap, which I have no idea what that is, the same type of this plane washed ashore at Flanders Island. The flap had a partial serial number on it that matched the serial number from his plane. It could be from his plane, but it can't be conclusively determined as other similar planes had lost that part in the same area around the same time.
The speculation is that he became disoriented after seeing a bright planet or stars or a meteor shower in the sky. this this last part i'm gonna reject another theory is which is like very small i don't know how disoriented he would be by that another theory is that he became inverted mid-flight and saw reflections off the water i'm gonna say no to that this guy's been flying for two years he's already flown this road you don't think he knows he's upside down interesting i don't buy that last one i have so as someone who's watched a lot of air disasters i've seen a few where there is this phenomenon where like especially but it's not usually a clear day like if you can see the horizon you don't but i mean maybe if he's over water you can't um where like Especially if your instruments aren't...
exactly reading correctly then you might feel like your body might feel like you are upright when you're really sideways um and if you can't see the horizon then you have no way of knowing and but he doesn't report any issues seeing anything or anything wrong with his equipment no he doesn't so that's strange and it was a clear day i would think that he'd be able to see the horizon so i don't know most of this segment is just a reenactment of a guy in a plane seeing a light it's a really long reenactment they seem to reenact the entire exchange with him and it's very long and it's really just i'm seeing something what are you seeing i'm seeing something what are you seeing it's like that over and over again for a really long time when there's really Not much to this mystery. I don't know. They drag it out quite a bit. It is mysterious. I'll say that. Sure. And it's dramatic. Although they make it seem like maybe his plane was abducted. Like the UFO snatched his plane. That's the theory that Unsolved Mysteries would like to put up there. Not that he was upside down or saw a planet. I mean, I guess I don't have a good explanation of what happened. No. Just because there's no wreckage found. Like passenger planes. He was over water. It's a very small plane. Disappeared and a trace of them hasn't been found. Yeah. It's very sad. I feel real bad for his dad who was basically just waiting for him to come home.
Doesn't seem like he got to grieve properly the loss of his son. I don't know that I think an entire plane was abducted, but what the hell do I know? Maybe it was. I mean, military planes have seen those, right? We got that video. We've seen the UFOs, so it's possible. Why would an UFO even want one of our crappy planes, though? I don't know. Because surely theirs are better. I mean, if they got here, it seems like they would be. Right. They're not going to be like, and now just, maybe it's like us going to an antique store. Maybe. They're like, oh, here's just a piece of junk. Let's take that home. The aliens have the plane on a mantle somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. Just look back and be like, ah, those were the days. The simpler times.
I don't know. I don't have any profound thoughts about this. I appreciated the accents, though. A little international flavor in this episode. Okay. So I believe this is a missing person. Yes. Go ahead. Oh, I just wrote down missing persons and then Jeffrey Dahmer glasses. I literally just wrote down more international flavor. Wow. I'm just like 12 phrases stitched together pretending to be a person.
So we're looking for two people, actually, which is a bit unusual. At 10.30 p.m. on December 22nd, 1991, a speeding car was pulled over along a highway that led to the local marina in Goose Creek, South Carolina. Inside the car were three men. When the officer asked for their license and registration, no one responded. That's a little trick you might not be aware of. If a cop asks you for your license and registration and you just don't hand it over, nothing they can do. You found a loophole.
So he asked again, and the man in the back seat said something in Spanish to the driver. The driver then handed the officer a passport. After running the information on the passport, the officer told the driver to drive carefully, to which he received no response. The next day, the officer was surprised to discover that the two front seat passengers of the car were 37-year-old Eve Emanuel Payne and his 24-year-old friend, Lauren Hernas. probably pronounced that wrong, they had been reported missing at sea and that the Coast Guard had been searching for them for over a month. Wow. The two men were French sailors who had been hired to convoy a French-made sailboat to new owners in October 1991. They had embarked on a 2,500-mile voyage from Annapolis, Maryland to Guadalupe in the West Indies. The vessel was a state-of-the-art Antigua catamaran worth $200,000.
I mean, it's nothing to me, but. Oh, I just learned what a catamaran is, actually. Oh, this is very helpful. From watching Married at First Sight, how I've been wasting my time. And when they had the couples go on a honeymoon, they were all like making a really big deal about going on a catamaran. And I was like, what the fuck is that? But it's a type of boat that has two or three like flotation parts. And then the boat that you would actually, I'm sure if you actually know anything about boats, you're like cringing at this explanation. But there's like.
So flotation parts and then the boat, like part you'd actually be sitting in is on top of that. So it's like on top of the water instead of, if you think of a boat, like the hull of the boat is like in the water and has to move the water to move. So a catamaran can go a lot faster because it's essentially like resting on top of the water with this like platform. That makes sense based on the reenactment in Unsolved Mysteries. I'm picturing it in my head right now. Yeah. So that's all that it means. Did someone get married on a catamaran and married at first sight? No, they just, so.
This show is total garbage. And I'm not sure how legitimate it is, but supposedly people get married literally like sight unseen and then they send them on a honeymoon and then they have to move in together. And then at the end they decided they want to get divorced. I don't know. But part of the honeymoon was they had all the couples go out on a catamaran and it looked really choppy because also because it's on top of the water, it's like feeling every wave, you know? So I think they just got seasick. I don't know that it was really quite as romantic as it was supposed to be. Everyone's puking. It's not.
But everybody just kept using the word catamaran. And I was like, what the hell is that? Just say boat, you weirdos. But I guess it is like a different type of thing. I don't know. I'm imagining you just yelling at your TV. Just say boat, you weirdos. But I mean, I'm going to say I've now watched two seasons of the show. And I feel like I have the expertise to say don't marry a complete stranger. I feel like that's a bad idea. It's hard to imagine why. They don't seem to go that well. I don't.
When you are marrying someone and you literally don't know their name yet, I wouldn't recommend it. Maybe don't do that. Seems like a bad idea. But if you get to go on a catamaran, maybe that's worth it for you. I feel like it's not worth it. I feel like it's really not worth it. Yeah, just to puke off the side of a catamaran. You can do that without getting married. True. That's true. So this catamaran was worth $200,000. And it had high-tech radar, a satellite tracking unit, and electronic navigational equipment.
It was fancy. It was a fancy catamaran. So it was called the Antigua and its design made it virtually unsinkable and also undetectable by radar. Which, where is the radar? Like, is there radar on? I have no idea how that works. Is that like the sky?
I don't know. That's a really good question. Like a Coast Guard has radar to like know where boats are. Yeah, that's true. But how does that work? I have no idea. Part of liking life with a little mystery means I don't need an explanation for everything. You don't have to fix boats. You don't care. Yeah, I don't care how that works. There's a lot of engineers in my family. They want to know how everything works. Look, the remote turns the TV on when I push the button. That's good enough for me. Might as well be magic. I really don't care. So there could be a little mystery to life. I don't have to know it all. That's true.
That's true. That's why we do this podcast. Exactly. Exactly. One of the unsolved mysteries is how does radar work? I really don't know. I don't know. I mean, it's a mystery to us. How do magnets work, then, saying Clown Posse asks. And I have to say, I know that they do, and it involves the poles. But beyond that, details are fuzzy, yeah. So Robert Stack tells us that this type of vessel would be ideal for a drug or weapons trafficker.
I'm not sure what we're supposed to make of that. Maybe they were also bringing Robert Stack drugs and that's how he knew. I mean, maybe they had like a side gig and they were like, well, since we got this boat, we might as well traffic some weapons. I really don't fully understand the situation. Cassie was giving them a motive to either have stolen the boat or explaining how they might have gotten into trouble. Maybe they were like, oh, we have to transport this boat that radar will never see. We might as well move a bunch of cocaine.
I mean, it seems like too good an opportunity to pass up. Like, of course. Yeah. We have this boat. We need to move the cocaine. The cocaine is going to move itself. Yeah, it'd be a wasted opportunity. I have no idea. So the sailors plan to sail down Chesapeake Bay around Cape...
I don't know. Parallel to the U.S., the East Coast before going to their final destination in Guadalupe. When the vessel failed to arrive on schedule, the Coast Guard was notified. They searched for over two weeks, but there were no signs of the vessel along its course. Surprisingly, the vessel was spotted several times. However, it was seen several miles off course in the intercoastal waterway. This waterway is an inland passage that goes from New England to Florida. There's no explanation for why the boat was there. In December 1991, two of Emanuel's friends flew from France to South Carolina to investigate their disappearances.
They started by retracing the vessel's route. Their first stop was a bridge 90 miles north of Charleston, South Carolina. The bridge tender remembered seeing the two missing sailors along with a third man, which was that third man. So the third man was not supposed to be on the vessel. However, he was cited by at least five different witnesses. According to the witnesses, the man did not appear threatening, which led some to theorize that one or both of the sailors had been involved in stealing the boat. However, their families and friends dismissed the scenario as they do not believe that they would ever have been involved in illegal activity.
I mean, Robert Stack is like, this boat is worth 200K. And yeah, that's an expensive boat, but they can't sell it illegally for 200K. There's two of them, possibly three of them. That's not enough money to live on for the rest of your life. Right. So I'm skeptical that they stole it as well. Unless they just literally were like, this starts our life of international crime. I mean, so these two were hired. Like, why would you... Like, they know who to go find. Right. They would have to be literally like, we are stealing this boat. We are never going back to our families. We are now living under known aliases.
This is the thing that broke us. No, that's my thing. I don't feel like it is. They couldn't just live off that. They would have to keep doing crimes. They'd have to steal other boats. Well, I guess the theory is that they would steal the boat and then they just continue to be drug crimes. Just living a life of crime. I don't feel like there's any evidence of that. It's not like they get arrested later doing drug dealing or something. And this boat is invisible to radar, but it's not invisible to people's eyes. It's not like Wonder Woman's plane. That would have been quite the unsolved mysteries when they were like...
You might think I'm standing in an empty warehouse, but I'm actually standing in front of an invisible boat. You just can't see it. This is one fancy camera. Yeah, I mean, this boat was not going to be state-of-the-art forever. No. Whatever. Yeah, I don't know. Eve Emanuel's friend, Jean.
Yves Laniac. I can't speak French, y'all. I'm sorry. He's convinced that the stranger, perhaps aided by an armed and hidden accomplice, accomplice, wow, hijacked the Antigua. Jean believes that the individual did not know how to sail the boat, so he kept the two sailors on board. Two of them? Would that be necessary? I don't know. This seems overly complicated. I think it's just their friend. You just want a cool boat ride, you just invite your friend. Yeah.
Just because it's unlikely for this boat to sink doesn't mean it's impossible. That's what I was going to say. Maybe it seemed like it was completely unthinkable, but... Bitch, that's what they said about the most famous sunk boat of all time! I mean, I don't... Maybe... I don't know. It seems like they got a little off course, maybe? And lost it? Yeah.
Yeah. So Yves Emmanuel and Lauren Arnaz were last seen on the Antigua approximately 30 miles south of Charleston, South Carolina. Five weeks later, the two sailors were pulled over in Goose Creek. It is possible that the mysterious third passenger was holding them hostage in the backseat of the car. However, it's also possible that the two men fooled everyone and made off with the Antigua. A third possibility is that the French sailors unintentionally sailed into Cuban waters and are being held in a Cuban prison. Also, that's just like making stuff up. Also, a UFO could have abducted the whole boat. Did you think about that? Also, maybe they sailed into the Bermuda Triangle.
i created a triangle of death and we're never seen again like yeah so i guess that's my profound thought i guess this this theory that they're still alive and that they're just living a life of crime have never contacted their family again is based on the fact that this police officer says that he saw them in the car but i kind of don't understand They were speaking Spanish, not French. He didn't know of this missing person's case previously. He heard about it later and was like, oh, it was them. Eyewitness testimony is not that reliable. He didn't even write them a ticket. He just pulled them over and then they left. Well, that was my harassing random people for no reason for today. Can I take a nap in my car? We don't. Why would they be speaking Spanish? I don't know.
So this case is unsolved. Eve Emanuel's cousin, along with Coast Guard investigators, are still searching for information in this case, according to the Unsolved Mysteries Wiki. I think if they went on to Lives of Crime, they would have been seen again at some point. I would think so. And those are such master criminals that they really have just, like, gone to the underground and never emerged. I don't know. I'm going to go with boats sink. It's my theory. I mean, boats sink. Maybe aliens. Even beautiful catamarans.
on an alien's mantle along with that plane yeah maybe they're like look at this weird boat it has a weird name people use too much okay our last mystery right yes unexplained death so this goes back to june 30th 1991 in galesburg illinois where Lois and Larry Williams had been trying to reach their 23-year-old son for two days. If you think, oh, this isn't going to end, well, you are correct. Because when they eventually went into the house of Danny Williams, the dad, Larry, crawled in through a window. He found his son dead on the couch, a bullet wound in his forehead, the gun in his hand. So he had recently bought this couch. Oh, sorry. He recently bought the house. Maybe the couch, I don't know. Maybe the couch, since he just bought a house, but that's not really as remarkable.
He was found dead with a gunshot wound that could have been self-inflicted. So the police immediately decided it was suicide without really looking into anything. The dad disagreed. He thinks the position of the gun on his lap is unnatural. And how does he know that? He's from the South, he wants you to know. So he's used lots of guns, all of them, all of the time. He knows guns. Reenactment Danny has a mustache I called the throwback because even though this mystery is taking place in 91, it's a very 70s mustache.
So the father, who knows all this stuff about guns, is unconvinced that his son would commit suicide. I think the reason the bride bring up that he had just bought the house and possibly couch was like his life was going well. I don't think they had suspected that. you know he's 23 he's just got his own place like why would he commit suicide so the father hired a pi named mike turnkist to prove that his son did not commit suicide the time of his death had originally been listed at 2 30 a.m but the pi immediately found a neighbor who saw him eight hours later yes this is this amazing woman my new hero darlene who is his neighbor who goes i shouldn't admit it but i watch everybody's business which is one of the greatest quotes we've had on this show So she saw him get into a car with a woman with dark hair. The police insist that she is confused and that this was actually the day before when his mother picked him up. Oh, what does Darlene have to say about that, though? Darlene is not having it. Darlene says that's bullshit because that woman was way too young to be her mother and she knows it was Saturday and not Friday.
And you know what? I take Darlene's word for it. So another suspicious thing about the death scene was that there was no blood spatter. When they removed the bullet from the wall behind Danny's head, there was just one tiny speck of blood. And you would think that there would be blood spatter on the wall. Yeah, it is odd. So an independent forensic scientist was brought in by the family.
he used i don't think it was luminol but he used this like blue light thing to find the evidence of blood was in several places including on the tv set meaning that someone else had been there to move blood or had there had been blood splatter but had been cleaned up maybe um the Blood evidence for this isn't the most advanced. So they found two types of blood in the house, type B and type O. So Danny was type B, but we don't know for sure that that's his blood. But then also we don't know where the type O came from at all. The state claims that the blood couldn't be typed definitively. They sort of are skeptical that the type O blood is really type O, I guess. But they also say that it's unknown how long the blood had been there, which is a good point, I think, for the carpet.
Like, do we know that blood evidence is from this death? Like, no, not necessarily because we don't, this doesn't, I don't know why I'm so tongue twisted. We don't know necessarily how old this blood is, but, so I can buy that for the carpet, but I do not buy that for the television. Right. How many people get blood on the television? Like you cut yourself, you make a blood on the carpet, but on the television? Right. There could be blood on the carpet. Like he just bought this house, right? Someone used to live there. Maybe there was an accident. Maybe something happened. Blood got on the carpet. It was cleaned up. Sure. Plausible.
that tv didn't used to be there that's a new addition to the new home so for there to be blood splatter that's going onto the carpet and onto the tv and it's found in other parts of the house i don't think that can all be there from another time no and if it was what happened was there another murder in the house before right right because it's a lot of blood yeah all over the house um yeah also this forensic scientist guy opened up the couch that danny died on so the couch he was on was a sofa bed and it doesn't sound like the police bothered to open it when when looking for evidence so he opens up the sofa bed and immediately finds another shell casing so the police already had one shell casing the crime scene suggests that there's only one bullet fired right the bullet that's gone into Danny's head and then into the wall behind him why is there this other shell casing it was from Danny's gun and it was recently fired so does that mean that a second shot was also fired at the same time did Danny shoot someone that was in his home It's hard to say. Now, at this point, the forensic scientist tries to sit on the couch and line up the bullet hole to Danny's hand. This is something we've seen in other reenactments where it's like, OK, if the body is here and the bullet hole is there, that means I have to hold my hand at this angle. Right. But when the forensic scientist does that, he's basically like really leaning forward in this kind of unnatural way that if you were sort of sitting tipping on the edge of your couch to shoot yourself, you would fall forward. You wouldn't fall.
backwards right which is how danny was found like if he really was using that hand to shoot himself you would think he would have been found on the floor so then there was a question was he shot somewhere else and moved which it kind of seems like at least not shot on the couch like maybe shot in the house but it doesn't line up the trajectory oh my god the trajectory the oh my god the path of the bullets I can't say the word trajectory today. The path of the bullet doesn't light up. Okay, so according to, but, so you're going, oh, there's no way he killed himself. This is all very suspicious. But now there's a wrinkle. That according to Danny's girlfriend, six months before his death, he had placed a handgun to his head during an argument with her. And when she turns to leave, he pulled the trigger, firing the gun into the wall. Yeah. So he doesn't seem like the most stable dude. Then is the question, if he is murdered, why? Like, who wants him dead?
The update that Unsolved Mysteries gives us is that the cause of death was changed officially from suicide to uncertain, that they couldn't determine if it was suicide or murder. I think there's a tiny little bit more. No, Unsolved Mysteries doesn't have anything either. So this is still unsolved. It's still listed as uncertain. Unfortunately, both of his parents have both passed away. I don't know. I think the blood evidence is very strange, but also I'm not sure how trustworthy it is. It's the blood on the TV that really makes me think maybe someone moved something, maybe something cleared up. I don't know. Maybe his girlfriend was there.
I feel like we don't really have enough information. This seems like another case where the police were happy to take the easiest explanation that it was suicide and couldn't even bother to find stuff like shell casings and blood evidence. They really phoned it in. Right. So I don't think this is ever going to be solved. And it might be that it's a suicide, but we don't know. And I'm sure his family would have liked to know definitively one way or another. Yeah. And that's where the episode ends. That's it. Four mysteries later. Should we read it?
I think we have to by law. All right. Well, we follow the law always. So, mysteriousness? Actually, pretty mysterious. Yeah, actually. We don't know what happened to a lot of these people. Where are they? Give us a call. If you stole this catamaran, our email address is perhaps2podcast.gmail.com. You can tell us. We will not narc on you. We just want to know why. Yeah, we would never do that. No. But there's a lot of mysterious stuff going on. Where's that plane? Does a UFO have it? What happened to Danny? Where's the catamaran? Even your first mystery, which is solved. This guy.
I wish we knew more about him. I feel like he lives a very mysterious life. Yeah. Yeah. It's a truck full of mystery. Thumbs up. Thumbs way up. Yes. Reenactments? They're fine. I kind of wish the UFO thing wasn't so long. I'm going to say the CGI and the UFO one, they could have done better. They could have done better. It really is just like a green flashlight light. It's not impressive. That actor was really trying his hardest to make it seem impressive and kudos to him.
You're right. I'm going to say thumbs down, actually. Not impressed with the only one. Yeah, I agree. But fashion? How are we feeling about the fashion? I think it could have been better. I think the French sailors could have been wearing sailor outfits, whether or not they really were in real life. Nothing really stands out, honestly. Yeah, no, no. I wish maybe the women of mystery from your first case were dressed a little bit more like Carmen Santiago. I think there was room for some dramatic embellishment they did not take.
yeah i agree i agree thumbs down and uh robert stack was he really in it i feel like he's barely in it i will say that friend going forward he's just like yeah that's great when's my check clear um i was impressed with his french pronunciation i mean i'm not french so maybe it was terrible but it sounded really good to me based solely on that i will give him a sideways otherwise he would get a thumbs down yeah i agree because he wasn't even there i mean no he was he was he was too busy learning about catamarans to see if he wanted to buy one himself Oh, catamaran mystery. That's a good point. I don't own a catamaran. And then he was just distracted and doing rich people stuff. He was finding out if like there's the yacht club. He was trying to find out if there was a separate catamaran club. But I don't know what rich people do. I assume stuff like that. They yell at their maids about their ascots. I don't know. I assume so. What a sad day. All right. So on a Robert Stacks scale of possible five Robert Stacks.
I feel like three. I do think this could be a three. It's not a better episode than the last one, but it's not late. It's got good. Sorry. It's got good variety. And I do appreciate the international flavor. As I said, even though it sounds like I'm talking about shitty instant coffee. I know that they're super remarkable. And that's what's keeping it down is that I watched the Saturday. It's not Tuesday. I was like, what are we talking about? All right. A UFO abducted a whole plane.
Yeah, I'm going to go with a three. What do you think? I agree. I think a three is fair because I don't know that this is an episode I'm going to remember. Right. It seems a little forgettable. I think they could have punched these up a little bit. I don't know if the music could have been more dramatic or what, but it did kind of leave me wanting a little Unsolved Mysteries something that wasn't there. I agree. The true magic. You know, sometimes you make a meal you make all the time and you're just like, I don't know, this one's not as good. This meatloaf, subpar to my usual meatloaf, you say. That's how I feel about this. I agree. That's a three. That meatloaf gets a three.
Oh, usually it's better. I don't know what I did different. That's how I feel about this episode. It's missing the certain something. Agreed. Well, we should try to recommend something. Well, this week I'm actually going to un-recommend something. Ooh, I like this. This is like those un-haul videos. Yeah. These are the stuff I'm not going to buy.
I'm hoping to save people a little bit of time. Okay. My own recommendation, which is that I do not recommend The Vow. Okay. Which you know. You already know. I already know this. I've watched like half an episode of The Vow and I also don't recommend it. Yeah. So The Vow is on HBO Max. I did watch all of it. I can't remember how many episodes it is, but it's so long. This is a documentary series about the NXIVM cult, which everybody remembers as a sex cult that involved branding. So did I want to know more? Of course I did.
I heard about branding sex cult. I was like, tell me everything. And I sat down to watch The Vow and I went, actually tell me a lot less. I was incorrect about that. Because now I heard there's a second series called Seduced, I think, on Amazon. I'll probably watch that as well. I'll let people know if that actually gets a recommendation instead of an un-recommendation. The Vow, though, is so boring. It's so long. It repeats itself over and over again. It cannot decide if it's going through events chronologically or by people involved.
As different people are introduced in the docuseries, it sort of starts over again. I hate the style of editing where sometimes they're talking about ideas that this cult leader had, which he insisted everybody called him Vanguard. Somehow that was not a giant red flag immediately. They'll be talking about ideas like enlightenment and to have a visual for that. They make these stupid montages of like galaxies and fish and like bugs coming out. I don't know. I hated that. But the bigger problem is that it's just so repetitive and there's so little like actually interesting information. There's no way it needed to be this long. Also, this is only the first season. It only gets to him getting arrested. There's gonna be like another season of the trial. And I was like, are you kidding me? I'm supposed to sit through more of this?
So you're like, but Liz, there's a sex cult. Sort of. So NXIVM was this almost like, it's barely a cult. Yeah, I think it is and it isn't. It was like this hokey business thing. Yeah, it's like this corporate wellness, like reach your best potential sort of thing. It's something like your company might foolishly send you on for like a bonding thing. Like, oh, this will all make you better. Go take this NXIVM class on like achieving your potential. Now there's some sort of weird stuff. The leader of it wants to be called Vanguard.
They achieve like different sashes that are way too short. So they look ridiculous. These are Dollar General. They're like cheap scarves. They don't even look like they'll stay on because they're not the right length. They're like not the length scarves need to be. It's like someone who's never seen a scarf came up with this idea. So yes, is that strange? But so much of this cult, which I don't even think really started to be a cult. I think they just started as this kind of scam for business people. It's just like worksheets.
It's, like, lists and goals. And way too long of, like, you go to a workshop where you're so tired the whole time. You just want to be fed. You just want lunch. Like, that's what everyone's looking for. You're like, where's my bagel sandwich? And they're like, but first. You, like, want to take a nap because you've eaten so much, but you have to do, like, yeah, a personality test or you have to, like, share your experiences. You just, like, sit in small groups and talk about something you brainstormed. I don't know. It just seems awful. But what happened was that this thing got so popular, people were so hooked on these classes and moving up the ranks and whatever, that eventually this Vanguard guy realizes that he has enough.
power and sway over people to force some of them to have sex with him. This is Keith Raniere, right? Yes. Sorry. I call him Vanguard. Samantha had to show proper respect. Yeah. They're following this guy named Keith, which, okay, the most disturbing part of this documentary to me, which I didn't know this ahead of time, is that he made everybody play basketball. I mean, sorry, volleyball. My least, least enjoyed sport to play in gym class. He's like calling people up to play volleyball with him at like two in the morning. And this little like weaselly guy with a ponytail and a sweatband. And it's like, this is the guy that you're following to like the end of the earth. This volleyball guy.
So you don't even, I don't know, you don't even hear that much about the sex part. The branding is weird. I'll say that. They do it with a small soldering. Okay, when I first heard branded, I'm picturing like a cow in a cartoon, right? You put the thing with a mark in the fire, it gets hot, you stick it on the person. It's horrible, but it takes like five seconds. No, they used a small soldering iron. It took 30 minutes to brand those people. I assume you didn't listen to the podcast. No. I guess it was really big like two years ago or something. I did not. Yeah, it sounds, this branding thing sounds so brutal.
Yeah. So that was, I don't know, unpleasant. Not interesting. You got to like think about the fact that that would smell. You're in a little room. You're in some basement or something. Yeah. There's not even like cool robes. There's like so little this cult has going for it. My favorite part of the documentary. So they follow a few people who were very involved and then decided that they need to get out. And one of the ways that this is like a cult is that they make it very hard for you to leave.
But one of these women who was like all in, this was like her job. This literally was her job. She got paid to like host these seminars and shit. So that's been her whole life for like years and years. She eventually gets talked into doing what they're told the sex cult is, is this female empowerment thing. So she was like, oh yeah, that sounds good. And then eventually gets talked into being branded. Okay, that seems like a leap. But is that when she leaves? No, it's when she finds out people are having sex with Keith. She doesn't even have to have sex with him. No one brings that up. It's just the idea that other people are doing that. And she's like, I'm out. This is a woman that just got branded.
Someone took a soldering iron by her vagina for 30 minutes. She put up with that. She thought that made her very strong and tough. She was kind of into it. But then she was like, oh my god, people are having sex with Keith? That's disgusting. I'm out of here. And so she blows up her whole life to leave NXIVM because of that. And because she finds out the brand is his initials, which she's not super happy about. So that's fascinating. Is it worth watching this thing? No, absolutely not. So much people just driving around talking on the phones. So boring. Oh my god. I felt like I had to watch the whole thing. I felt weirdly obligated to do it.
don't don't make my mistake i just told you all the interesting stuff what someone told me and i don't know if this is true is that this documentary is made by someone who was part of nexium which in a way is good because they have access to a lot of the like training videos and stuff like that they have access to a lot of the information but it's almost like too sympathetic it's almost like of course we all thought he was a genius look how great he is it's like no i don't see that at all it's like whichever one of the fire festival documentaries was produced by the fuck jerry guys and was like very sympathetic to them right yeah so i think i want to Maybe this other one is going to be harsher. But they also don't always present information with a very critical eye. They actually act like this guy cured Tourette's. Okay. That's never questioned or examined again. They just show him curing Tourette's. And we're like, see, this is why we all thought he was great. It's like, um, okay. So I don't think it's very well made at all, despite the subject matter. I guess I would recommend the podcast, which I don't really remember a ton about. I know there's a lot of firsthand accounts in interviews. But I remember enjoying it. That is called Uncover.
It's a CBC radio podcast. And Uncover is like a series. I think they actually did one about the Satanic Panic, which I haven't listened to. But their first season is about NXIVM. And I remember really enjoying that podcast. And it's obviously a lot shorter. That would be a much better use of time than this, which was. Maybe listen to that instead. I mean, I feel like no one has HBO Max, so it's probably like not even an issue. But the vow. I vow to never watch that again.
Well, I'll give you something that you could watch, perhaps. It's very different. So when it comes time to these recommendations, I always feel like I should recommend something obscure that I've discovered. You're going to blow everyone's mind. But then I realize that's not sustainable. I'm just not discovering a lot of jewels in the desert, so to speak. So I'm recommending something that probably everyone knows about and probably a lot of people are watching, but it's bringing me so much joy in quarantine, and that is the reboot of Supermarket Sweep. Liz knows this. I'm obsessed. I love it so much. Some of the original episodes are on Netflix. You can watch some of the old ones that Guy...
who's like weirdly chipper and always wears like very dated clothes. I don't find- He's like a big time libertarian, that guy. You told me that. And I, it makes sense. It does. Actually now, like having watched some of the original episodes, that they're fine. Whatever. They're kind of a time capsule. If you enjoy that aspect of Unself Mysteries, you'd like the original Supermarket Sweep. But the reboot is so good. I love it. Travis and I love it. We like, don't miss an episode. Leslie Jones is the host and is so fucking funny. Leslie Jones narrates Supermarket Sweep like I watch. Like I watch Supermarket Sweep where it's like, what are you doing? Get the turkey.
She screams the whole time. It's so funny. I absolutely adore it. The characters that they have on are amazing. They really know how to cast this thing. You can watch it for free too, which I was concerned about because I don't pay for Hulu anymore and I don't have cable. You can watch it on Hulu if you have a Hulu subscription, but you can also watch it on the ABC app, which we watch on our Roku. I don't know where else you can watch it, but it is free. I do think you have to wait a week maybe until you can watch it for free. We're purposely an episode behind, so each week we have one to watch. Perfect.
How do we get on supermarket sweep? Do you know that? I think we'd find out because I think we'd be really good at it. And it sounds super fun. Like the strategy seems to be, we've kind of figured out the strategy. You got to get the bonuses because you will watch someone go through the supermarket and get some amazing shit, all the turkeys, all the cheeses, all the dog food, whatever special items. But if they don't get the bonuses, no matter how big their cart total is, they never seem to win. It's the people that get bonuses. You really got to focus on getting those bonuses. The inflatables, you got to get those.
So fun. It's so fun. But yeah, so I think I kind of have a strategy down, so I feel like we should probably go on it. I already have the sweatshirt. Black Friday, Travis got me a Supermarket Sweep sweatshirt. So sweet. So sweet. So I'm already ready. I love it. I'm like a fangirl. It's so good. Highly recommend. Yeah, my brother used to watch a lot of Supermarket Sweep back in the day. So it is, I haven't watched a new one, but the old ones are a nice little. I do too. Some very 90s sweaters and food they don't make anymore. It's true. There's occasionally something where you'll be like, I've never heard of that brand. Yeah, also true. I mean.
I'm assuming I filmed that in Los Angeles. I guess I don't actually know, but you're just like, that's not a thing here. We don't have whatever. I've never heard of this cleaner in my life. I remember loving Supermarket Sweep, watching it as a kid. And then when it came to Netflix, being so excited about it, but then just kind of being disappointed, it's just not as good. But the reboot is so good. They've really improved it. There's all these like side characters too. Like the checkout guy and like the security guard has like this recurring role. He's really funny. I don't know. They've done a really good job. I quite enjoy it. I'm not typically a game show person, but I really like it.
It's a show that costs, what, like $5? And it's all product placement. Like, they should have brought this back ages ago. I don't know that it costs $5 because we looked this up because Travis was convinced that all the produce was fake. He's like, there's no way this is all real. What would they do with it afterwards? But it is all real. It's like a real supermarket that they stage. And then they apparently give the food away to charity. Apparently, all of the meat goes to, like, zoos. So, like, Tiger King style. So, it would be okay if it goes, like, a little bit bad in someone's cart. I think so, yeah. It's like, well, a lion's going to eat that turkey. Right. Not a human. Huh. See? Now I know. I didn't know that before. You learn something here. Perhaps it's you. We're very...
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some episodes from the second installment of the Netflix reboot. Yes. Sadly, not the Supermarket Sweep reboot. Do you think you could do a Supermarket Sweep rewatch podcast? I don't know. You like analyze the strategy afterwards. You're like, you shouldn't have got all that dish soap. That was a mistake. It's like a sports recap podcast, but for Supermarket Sweep. That's a really good comparison because I have no idea how people talk about sports so much. I have no idea how there's like shows before the Super Bowl. Like literally nothing's happened. And then, so there's hours and hours of that. And then after it, it's like, well, that was the Super Bowl, right? And somehow they have enough to talk about.
Don't know. That's a mystery. One I will never solve. Nope. Because I just don't care. All right. Thanks so much, Five listeners. Thanks, BD Wong. I hope you're staying safe and healthy out there. All right. Keep working. Bye. Bye.