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Why is it you are the way that you are? I hate so much about the way you choose to be. Oh, no way! Oh my god! No way! Welcome everybody to episode 123 of One Million of the Serious Chillers Podcast. Nope, that was part of it.

Welcome, everybody, to episode 123 of One Million of the Serial Chillers podcast. We get very professional when there's no one else in the room, and that's how it is today. That's how we practice. Yeah, we got a little bit of a no-guest show for you guys today. I know it's maybe not exactly what you want, but we got a couple stories. Too bad it's what you get. That's what you get. We can't fall behind. That's the realistic thing. And we knew that you guys would want to see our faces. So, I ask, how goes it? Hello, Greg. Oh, I'm fine. I gotta... Jesus, that was...

Yeah, it was up there. I gotta say, you look extra handsome on the guest camera today. It's that high definition. Yeah, look at that. That's what Greg really looks like, y'all. Holy shit, he looks like a person, not just a blob. No, I look like a blob. It's just a blob in high definition. Yeah, that's the thing that's scary about Bigfoot. He's not out of focus. He is just fuzzy. Yeah, that's even scary to me. Somewhere there's a large out-of-focus monster roaming the countryside.

Good to be here, man. Good to have you here. Yes, sir. This wasn't one that we had to guest cancel on. This was a rare. Literally, we reached out to... This was intentional. I mean, sure, yeah, that's what happened. That's what happened. It wasn't that we reached out to 27 people and couldn't book a pairing for this weekend. That never happens, right? We need people to settle their personal drama. I don't know that it actually ever has. Normally, it's like, on the few occasions that this has happened, it was because someone had to bail last minute or something like that.

We need people to settle their personal drama so that we can book pairing. We did have somebody this week, I believe in the Discord, talk about how they loved the drama between Paul and Lindsey back in the day over the vodka. That was a good series. That was a good fight. Perhaps we do need somebody to come in and start a little controversy, Bigfoot. Well, he's controversial, but for all the wrong reasons. Bigfoot, we need to just write a WWE story. I was just going to say we need a good WWE call-out of like...

A video on Discord of somebody like, listen here, Bobby, you think you're good at the game, brother? Well, let me tell you something. You're never going to be as good as me. Get out here and be challenged, brother. This goes out to Bobby. I just want you to know you'll never be the co-host I am. Bobby, we didn't mean to rope you into that too hard, but here you are. He said Bobby, and I thought that's something I could go with. You did it to yourself. That's what I'm going to say, Bobby. You got too involved with us.

Forever famous. Forever famous. Infamous? Okay, Greg, I know you got a little article. I got an article. I'm going to kind of... I've read it a few times. I'm going to give you the... Listen, guys, we couldn't book guests, so we didn't want to use the good stuff. Like, let's be honest. It's all good stuff, but what he's saying is we're not going to do... We didn't want to do a fully fleshed out episode. Greg phrased it much better. I have an outline that's fucking ready to go, but what are we going to do? I mean, I suppose... He said, should I bring it for this episode? And I said, you should, but you should also save it.

Yeah, and we saved it. So we had a couple things for you guys. It'll probably be a little bit shorter than normal. We're sorry, but that's just the way it is. God, I'm tired of having to apologize for Link. Yeah, yeah, we suck at stuff, man. No, I'm just tired of having to apologize for Link. Like, yeah, I know it's shorter than you're probably used to. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, true. That's how Greg and I met. So we both- Most meetings are supposed to be anonymous. We both brought a couple stories. I think we're going to, you know, we haven't really, like, talked about plans for after this season.

with you guys or really with each other. We've kind of just been going with the flow this season and letting things happen as they go. But I think we'll talk a little bit about kind of this relaunch and the future and what we might be getting into. So there's a lot of changes that are coming. A lot of big changes for both Greg and I personally. I see no changes. All I see are racist faces. Damn, we're just doing a lot of POC today.

I mean, you're the goat for a reason. So we're not sure what the future will be like, but you guys are almost going to hear us talk it out a little bit on this episode. So deal with it. And Greg will edit out the real important stuff or like the stuff where we overcommitted. But yeah, I mean, we used to do these a little more frequently because we had guests bail a little more frequently back in the day. So this is kind of one of those fun, like I said, shorter episodes where you're just going to get a little bit of Greg and I. But when it's like that, I feel like you guys probably get the most Jesse Jesse and the most Greg Greg when it's just the two of us.

We've been doing it since I picked you up at 1 o'clock today. There's been a lot of laughing. We had to run a few errands, and I think we just take it as a challenge. Lose, give us free stuff. We take it as a challenge to keep each other laughing and shit while we're out shopping for new doorknobs. It's important to stay entertained. It is. It really is. So, okay. The story I brought is obviously true crime in nature. I'm not going to go through the whole spiel because we're not doing the whole thing, but I will say. So, hold on. Let's play a game. All right. Let's play a game. Do you want to play a game? I want to try to guess what your story is about.

And I will let you also try to guess what my story is. I think I told you what my story is about today. Okay, but fair. Did I look like I was listening? That's also fair. That's also true. I was going to say, it's very possible you told me, but I want to try to guess what your story is about. Okay, how about this? Okay. How about we try to guess in three words what one another's story is about?

Okay. Let's do this. We'll guess about that, and then I'm going to try and guess the twists and turns in your story as you go. Okay. And I'll let you do the same for mine. Okay. You want my three words? Yes. I'm going to use only two. Well, it's three words, but normally... One's hyphenated. UFOs and government. I mean... That's pretty broad, but... That's a fair guess. That's a fair guess. My guess for you, the three words, I would say unsolved murder case.

Those are three good words. Thanks, man. Three good words. Thanks. Let's get into it. Yeah. All right. Kick it off. So this is about the totally solved murder of Cassie Jo Stoddard.

Oh, okay. So this one happened in September of 2006. I feel awful for a laugh. I know. And that's, again, Kristen and I were talking about it because Kristen was on, I believe it'd be last week's episode to this episode. If it wasn't, you guys know Kristen. Yeah, 122. Yep. So she was like, I had so much fun, blah, blah, blah. And then she goes, knowing that we were totally talking about like fucked up killers. And I was like, yeah, but like, that's the idea, right? Is it like the story is out there. It's been, we are not the person, the first people to tell any stories that we've told. And I'm not saying, well, they told me, it's all we can.

But we're just getting the information out. We're getting the story out. And we're trying to have fun here without disrespecting anybody here. Sometimes I feel like such a monster because I'm like, oh, I'm guessing that it's an unsolved murder case. And you're like, this is totally a solved case. And that made me laugh. But it's the solved murder. It's the juxtaposition of what's taking place in this room versus what's taking place in these stories. And it's not a fun comparison to make sometimes. Not a monster. Just look like one.

I mean, we get that. If you look at our reviews, some people think we're monsters. Well, you know, I can't fully disagree with the people that are like, hey, true crime and comedy shouldn't mix. It's like, yeah, I get it. But there are there's a line that exceptions to every rule. Right. Because I think there are lines that can be drawn. The one who said that you can't make fun of true crime and all that, especially Ed Kemper. Like what makes him so heinous? Because we've talked about like people eating people and we've talked about people wearing people. He's a giant. First of all, I think that was one of the.

But still, like. Go back and listen to our Ed Kemper episode and you'll remember what makes him so heinous. Yeah, I don't know if I was on that episode, I think. You were, you were. Because I think we did it later. We did it with, we did Ed Kemper, I'm pretty sure, with the Bumblebutt podcast. All right, so, again, case of Cassie Lee Stoddard. We're going to go off on tangents like that. That's what Greg and I do when we get together and we don't have a real direct, like, pipeline of things we're going to do. Yeah, like, we didn't even really intro the show. Serialchillerspod.com for everything, guys. This one's a lot less business, a lot more. There you go. Bing, bang, boom. We'll give you five, four, three, two, one. Screen cap it. You thought it was going to be him, but it's me. Oh, shit.

This took place in September of 2006, specifically the 22nd. Cassie Jo Stoddard was house-sitting for her aunt and uncle Allison and Frank Contreras in Whispering Cliffs Drive in Bannock County, Idaho. Say Whispering Eye. Hold on. You think there's any cliffs in Idaho? No, certainly don't. I imagine it's like... I'm pretty sure you can see from, like, Wyoming to Texas. It's like when you live in Creekside Apartments, and they put, like, a tiny little rock creek bed in the middle. They're like, yeah, that's totally the creek. It's got, like, a four-gallon-per-minute pump that's running. It's Creekside, right? Like, come on. Like, no, I imagine that's what it's like. It's like, oh, there's some hills in the front that the sign is on. Those are the Whispering Cliffs. I just... Yeah, you're right. Yeah, yeah. So the Contreras family are out of town. They hire...

They hire Cassie, her niece, their niece teenager. I believe Cassie is 16 at the time. Okay. Old enough to be responsible. Old enough to be responsible. Starting to get into that, like, yeah, you could stay at our house alone. We trust you enough for that. Shit, dude, I was in my 20s before somebody asked me to do that. And there was three cats and two dogs, so it wasn't just watching a house. It was taking care of some pets, too. Yeah, it truly is. Aunt and uncle are cool through having a couple friends over. No ragers, so her boyfriend and a couple of his friends come over. Her boyfriend's name is Matt Beckham. He came at 6 p.m. and a little bit, two of his friends and her friends, Brian Draper and Tori Adamachik. It's A-D-A-M-C-I-K.

Adam chick. Adam chick. It was pronounced like four different ways because I watched some news stories about it and then I watched like one like mini doc. All four people pronounce it differently. It's like Adam C.I.K. So boyfriend gets there hanging out. Also, we were teenagers. We know what it's like. I'm getting there at six. You guys get there at eight. OK.

So, Tori and Brian are... We're doing the same thing. Yeah. We're age 16. They came over to hang out and watch a movie. Cassie Jo would give them a tour of the house, including the basement. Like, fuck, why not? Like, look at this big-ass house I'm house-sitting. I'm responsible for all this. It's got a cool, not creepy basement. Have you guys ever seen a scary movie? No? Come on down here. Yeah, exactly. I'll be right back. The 14s went to the living room to watch Kill Bill after the tour, but Adam, Domchik, and Draper ended up leaving before the film ended. They're like, dude, we just want to go see a movie at the movie theater. Like, it's kind of boring being here. Like, we're going to dip. And, of course...

Or the boyfriend was like, hey, at 8.45, I need you fuckers to get the fuck out. Yo, is that your phone going off? It sounds important. You should probably take that outside. Yeah, so Matt Beckham stays behind with Cassie Jo. Stoddart was unaware that before the boys left, one of them had gone down to the basement and propped a door open. Ooh.

So the boys don't leave that open door open for long. They leave and immediately enter the basement with some supplies that they've prepared. Well, I don't like that. Right. It says that they would leave and quickly return. Teenage boys don't need supplies for anything. No, they don't. It's like, you going to a sleepover? What are you going to do? It's like, I'm going to not brush my teeth for two days, sleep on the ground, and wear the same fucking socks, motherfucker. What do you think I'm going to do? Get these socks off with a blowtorch when you get home. Yes. So they return to the neighborhood. They're going to stand up on their own. And not for a weird reason. They go down. They park down the street. Get out of the car. Put on.

costumes consisting of dark clothing and ski masks, gloves and white painted masks. Sorry, it was black, black gloves and white painted masks. So, yeah, the boys would go through the basement door that they propped open and started making. started making loud noises in the basement to try to get them to come down. So when you're talking scary movie, like, hey, you don't know what genre of movie you're in. Just assume horror all the time, I feel like. And don't go down in your basement when loud noises are taking place. Well, see, I feel like that's not fair, though. That's your basement. You should be the one who has to go down there. It's true. It's true. But nobody was going down there. These two kids are smart enough to not do that. So they're in the basement. And in the basement, they found the circuit breaker. So they're like, ooh, we'll do this. We'll flip the power off. And so their idea was that we'll flip it off and someone will come down and they'll click it back on. They're going to realize what happened. Nope, I would sit up in a puddle of piss at the top of the stairs.

Whoever's down there needs to get out. So when they didn't come back downstairs, the boys flipped on a couple more, like a couple of the breakers. Like, oh, look, if the parts that came back on, you're probably going to need to come down and flip these. Still nothing. Cassie Jo became like really...

iffy on the situation because it was like, why did half of them come back on? Because that's terrifying. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. Matt noticed that one of the dogs kept staring down the basement stairs. Even scarier. Your pets are very in tune with these things, you guys. If your dog is staring at a door or, you know, maybe just like either one, check it out if you're feeling, you know, you got a little brave going in you. Let that door know that you have a gun. So the dog keeps staring down the stairs. Yes, that is fucking terrifying. That's all bad. There's never, nobody's ever been like, hey, my dog stared down the stairs and when I got down there it was a bunch of fucking doubloons. Of all of the currency.

Could have been. I'm having deja vu big time right now. Yeah? As soon as the dog's staring down the stairs into balloons. Dang, I'm having fucking vuja day, and I have no idea where I'm at.

I'm freaking out a little. Are you? This is a long deja vu. Whoa. Leave it in here. Did I talk about Vuja Day and your deja vu? All this is consistent and it's weird now. It's not meant to last this long. So besides staring down the stairs, the dog would also bark and growl. So it wasn't just like, hey, what the fuck was that? It was like, hey, I don't fucking like that. Whatever's down there. Chocolate balloons can't stand up. I'm not a fan. I can't even eat them. So seeing that Cassie Jo felt really scared, Matt was like, well, let's see if my mom will let me stay the night. Yeah, right, dude. Come on, I've tried this one too. The mom was like, no, I don't think so. But she can come stay the night at our house.

That's fine with me. You know, at least there's a parent involved in that situation. Yeah, but that seems to defeat the point of house-sitting. Well, and that's why Cassie Jo's daughter was like, nah, I'm going to stay. Like, I got a couple dogs to take care of. Part of the power's on. I'm sure the rest will come on later. And so Matt's like, well, I'll hang out as long as I can. You know, my mom's coming to get me at, you know, whatever, 1030. So he's not allowed to stay. His mom offers. She declines. She wants to stay and be the responsible adult. Like, we were talking about that. You know, when you're 16, you're proven. Like, hey, you can trust me with this again. Even the power went out. I fucking stayed. I just ate that. I stood at the top of the stairs and yelled, I have a gun. And my dog said, there's doubloons down

At approximately 10.30 p.m., Matt's mom would come pick him up. So Cassie Jones at the house. Matt calls, what are their first names? Because I don't want to call them a Dom Chicken Draper. Sounds like a... Calls Brian and Tori. Sounds like a mid-tier law firm. Call it Dom Chicken Draper. Did you drink expired milk of your own accord? Call it Dom Chicken Draper. So Brian and Tori, he calls Brian and Tori and he asks them where they're at.

Because he wants to meet up with them. He's like, all right, well, I'm out of here. My mom says I can't stay here anymore, but I'm going to go hang out with the homies. So Beckham said he could barely hear a Domchik who was whispering on the phone and assumed that the boys were already in a movie theater. So he answered it in the movies. Ah, fuck it, dude. They're already there. I'm not going to bug them. So Matt just went home. He's not allowed. As you do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Cassie's at the house. From the basement, Tori and Adam would come. It's not Tori and Adam. It's Tori and Brian. Fuck them anyway. Who cares? Asshole one and asshole two heard Matt leave, and then they turned the lights completely out again.

So they flipped it at the circuit and they just waited, hoping that Cassie Jo would come down the stairs. She didn't. Why would she go down now that she's alone after her boyfriend is left? No, I know. That makes total sense. These boys were dumb as hell. Now is when you do the Oscar Pistorius. Okay, I'm with you now. The second time the lights go out? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the boys decided that they were just going to go upstairs.

Yes, they got impatient. Yeah, so Draper was armed with a dagger. Teenage boys are known for their patience. Well, they'd already been downstairs for a couple hours waiting for them to come into the basement. So, I mean, I would say that they were... Are you sure this is going to work? Trust me, it's going to work. So Draper was armed with a dagger-type weapon, and Adamczyk had a hunting knife. The hunting knife alone probably would have been enough. I don't know if you needed the dagger-type weapon. I picture mall ninja shit. When you say dagger-type weapon, you went into, like, that weird store that sells, like... I pictured size.

Like what Raphael from the Ninja Turtles? No, I know exactly what it is. For people who don't. The little dagger things. Like three-pronged, two short ones. Yeah, but those are defensive weapons. They are, and if you were going to buy one in a small town in Idaho, I would bet that it is at some sort of mall ninja store. If you guys are unfamiliar with mall ninjas, you've all seen this store where it sells a little bit of anime stuff. Short-sleeved button-down shirts with flames. A little bit of that, and there's a bunch of replica swords on the wall. And the little triangle things, they look like fidget spinners, but blades come out of them. I will say, there's nothing wrong with collecting this stuff.

There is something wrong with getting this stuff and, like, pretending that you're, like... What else would you do with it? If I have a sword, I'm swinging it. Get a real sword, then. Those are expensive. Yeah, well, okay. Just saying, decorative swords still hurt. Yeah, I'll just go to Home Depot and buy rebar, then. Like, if that's what you're trying to do, it seems a little, like, cheaper. Anyway, the weapons had been purchased at a pawn shop earlier that week. So the boys had got their weapons from a pawn shop. Okay. Earlier that week, they went to a pawn shop and picked out a couple stabby boys. It sounds like what happened.

Pawn shops are kind of like those gray areas where if you maybe went to the sporting goods store, they'd be like, I'm not selling you a hunting knife, you little fuck. But you go to a little half-shady pawn shop, the guy's like, yeah, what the fuck do you want? Let's see, I'll take that vintage cash register, a gumball machine, two hunting knives, and that wedding dress. You know what, put back all the stuff, I'll just take the hunting knives. That'll be $35. Ooh, all I have is nine. Can I get one hunting knife and one dagger-type weapon? Do you have enough tickets?

You hear that, Tori? You're using the dagger-type weapon. I paid. So Trapper opened and slammed a closet door at the top of the stairs to scare Stoddard, who was lying on the couch in the living room. I bet it worked. She sat up. They essentially ran in and attacked her and stabbed her approximately 30 times, 12 of which were potentially fatal. Each or total? Total of 30. So almost half of the stabs, the coroner said any one of these 12 could have been a fatal stab wound. There were 12. So senseless. Yeah. During the investigation, the murder police found that Draper and Adam Chick had recorded their plan to murder Stoddard in advance in a videotape while they were at school, and the footage was shown at their trials. Videotaping this crime spree was the best idea we ever had. So this is where I'm going to kind of go off on a little bit of a...

I think because I've seen this video. I've seen them talking about it. I've seen them planning it. And I've seen the video because they filmed themselves after it. They're like in a car driving away. And they look just, they got like thousand yard stairs. For what though? Why are they filming it? Like what was the, was it like in case we forget? Or is this like, we're going to be famous. Here's our manifesto. I think it's more like video diary. Today I decided to.

I don't know, because they didn't film the murder. Right. Because if that was the case, it would be like, oh, a memory's great, but having film of it. Right. But they just filmed, I don't know, I really don't know. 2006, though, we're talking about, like, that's YouTube's first year. That's, like, the time where, like, getting a home video camera isn't, like, something your dad has, and we only take it on vacation. It's, like, we're getting a little more, like. You're still rocking those big, boxy, like, screen that articulates. I mean, 2006, we're getting close to, like.

Oh, no, they had those. Sony cyber shots. And like we're getting close to like the smaller handheld digital cameras that can also do video. You're not like sliding a floppy disk. Definitely getting to a place where three years off of like the first iPhone and like the high quality Blackberries. Right, right. So what we're getting in a place where like it's accessible now. You can keep it in your backpack and you can film you and your friends at school. I wish there were more like, I guess.

more reasons, like more things to talk about why these two boys might have done this. They seem like pretty normal. Like, this is the classic. Hey, they seem like pretty normal kids. They're just pricks. Yeah, I mean, think about...

Dylan and... They weren't even like... The Columbine kids. Don't be fooled by the narrative that those two kids were bullied. No, they were bullies. They were bullies. They were popular kids. They were pricks. A really good source for those assholes is the last podcast series on them. They really dove in deep with the Columbine guys. Those guys were such fuck... I mean, everybody who does anything like that is such a fucking asshole prick piece of shit. What was it, the basement tapes? Yeah. Well, that's kind of... And I think we talked a little bit about... But when you watch them, they're just so...

like, full of themselves. They're so pompous. They think they're doing something so cool and, like, groundbreaking and, like, nobody's ever been an asshole before. The only cool thing they did was the last time each of them pulled a trigger. Yeah. It's literally the only thing cool. And it's just like, it's, you think you're doing something nobody's ever done before, but, like, plenty of people have been an asshole. The sad part is that they've kind of set a standard, a standard, a precedent. Okay, so the footage before and after, it was shown at their trials. Good. As it should be. Were they tried as adults? They were not.

Draper and Adam Trick were arrested on September 27th, 2006, and charged with first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit first-degree murder. So, I mean, like, they were talking about it. In one of the videos, if I'm not mistaken, and part of me feels like maybe I watch, like, a YouTube thing where they, like, fictionalize this. If I'm not mistaken, some of the pre-stuff has, like, them filming her. Like, in the library they're talking, and then, like, she's also in the library, and they're like, yeah. No need for that. It's fucking creepy, man. Again, take that with a grain of salt, because, like, I feel like I've seen that, but weird, real YouTube stuff is out there, and don't be fooled by it, guys. So...

During the interrogations, each teen blamed the other. Draper claimed that he was in the same room with Adam Chick when Sodert was killed but denied doing any of the stabbing, then later admitted to stabbing her under alleged commands from Adam Chick. So, like, he was the... He's the leader. Tori's the leader. I just did what he said. Yeah, I stabbed her, but it's because I was scared of him. You know, there's this classic teen narrative. But he would lead investigators to Black Rock Canyon where the teens had disposed of clothing, masks, and weapons they had used for the murder.

So he flipped. So not only is he a prick and a murderer, he's also a snitch. Yeah. So at the trial, the prosecution revealed that Draper had said that he was inspired by Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. Oh, look at that. It also sounds a bit like the original Scream. Later, Adam Chick was said to have been inspired by the Scream horror film franchise. Fucking nerds. Fucking nerds. Hey, you're doing a pretty good job of guessing where this is going. Draper was convicted on April 27th.

April 17th, 2007. Adam Trick was convicted on June 8th, 2007 and August 21st, 2007. Based on being convicted of first degree murder, each received a mandatory sentence of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole and 30 years to life for being convicted of conspiracy to commit murder. So they got a life sentence, no parole, plus a 30 year sentence for the conspiracy to commit. So that's like 55 years. Because life is like 25. Is it?

Something like, it's not long. But with no possibility of parole. Right, which means they have to serve the whole sentence. They don't get to get out early for good behavior or anything. Plus, they're, okay, well, yes. Adam Chick and Draper are both serving their time in Idaho State Correctional Institution located in the unincorporated 8th County, Idaho, near...

Kuna, in November of 2019, Adam Chick's sentence was upheld after appeal was denied by an Idaho state. Okay, here's some stuff about the appeals. The convicted men's attorneys filed separate appeals in the Idaho Supreme Court in September of 2010 for Adam Chick and April of 2011 for Draper. Draper was seeking to have his conviction vacated or to be given a limited life sentence that would allow his release on parole if approved after 30 years. They're from Cornell University. One life sentence imposes an obligation on a defendant to serve 15 to 25 years in prison until the eligibility of parole. The sentence depends on the gravity of the crime and on the jurisdiction in which the defendant has tried. Parole is usually granted to individuals who have displayed good behavior. So...

No parole means you have to serve the whole thing. You got to eat the whole piece. But it's only 25 years. But yeah, it's up to 25 years. Interesting. So the first appeal for both Adamczyk and Draper was denied in a 3-2 decision. So that's probably closer than a lot of people would even want it to be. Yeah, probably wouldn't have scored it like that. The high court vacated Draper's conviction on conspiracy to commit first-degree murder, saying that the jurors were given erroneous instructions on that charge, but they affirmed his conviction for first-degree murder and life without parole. Erroneous. Erroneous on all counts. I do think that's interesting, though, that they got rid of...

I mean, the conspiracy seems like it was an equally weighty charge. Yeah, well, and it carried the... 30 years. Yeah, hefty sentence, but... And so they threw out the conspiracy. They vacated the conspiracy, but upheld the first-degree murder and life sentence. So I wonder if...

It was part of like a plea deal? Do you think they... We'll get rid of the conspiracy because you said you were forced. And you showed us where the clothes were and where the masks were. So we'll get rid of the conspiracy. But it doesn't say that it was in a plea deal because this isn't an appeal. Initially, he was charged with this. Well, that's what I'm saying. Maybe he made a deal. Or maybe not a plea deal, but he was like, okay, I'll eat the murder charge because we fucked up. But he made me do it, so it's not a conspiracy I was coerced. I feel like that would happen before the first trial, personally. I think that that would be like... If that's the appeal, though, if that's what they have the...

juice for now he's like hey look I can prove it or you know whatever now in the appeal process I don't know that's the only thing I could see where they got rid of something like that where there's like clear cut evidence where you're like did you have to wave at the security camera when you robbed the store like that's what that's why I like doing European crimes because when it comes to the court system stuff I'm like I don't know anything about European courts but then we do US stuff I'm like well I don't know anything about US courts really either I'm usually guessing pretty hard so the only thing I know about US courts is the more money you have the easier it is to go to stuff I've also heard that I've also heard that In July of 2015, Adam Chick gained a hearing for post-conviction relief with State 6th District Magistrate Judge Mitchell W. Brown. What a fucking title. Yes, I am the State 6th District Magistrate Mitchell Brown. Mitchell W. Brown. He claimed the testimony from character witnesses could have changed the outcome of the sentencing, but that his former attorney against his parents' wishes chose not to call upon these men. So he was saying, like, hey, bring up people who will say I wasn't such a fucking asshole, not just people who will say I didn't murder this. You know what I mean? Like, it could have changed the outcome if he would have let the jury know my character a little bit. Which is, I mean...

True to a certain extent, but at the same time, they're not judging you on your character. They're judging you on whether or not you committed this crime. Possibly. What's that law we talked about? Or are your past crimes being allowed to... I forget what it's called, but you know what I'm talking about. Adam Chick said that his attorney believed the prosecution would have submitted even more damaging evidence if they had called character witnesses. Essentially, like, in retaliation. Like, they had more evidence.

He said, we know you're an asshole. We're not going to call people to make them prove you're an asshole. In March 2016, Judge Brown denied his request for post-conviction relief and Adam Chick appealed Judge Brown's decision for the Idaho Supreme Court, which on December 26, 2017, rejected Adam Chick's appeal for post-conviction relief and upheld the district court decision. So he took it as high as it could go. trying to get this post-conviction relief, and they were like, no. I say nay. Kill him. Following the Idaho Supreme Court's decision, Adam Chick filed a federal writ of habeas corpus in January of 2018, in which he argued that the court denied his first appeal based on a theory that was not presented to the jury. Adam Chick also argued that he should be entitled to a new sentencing hearing in the light of Miller and Montgomery decisions. This is a whole...

Yeah, referential law. About mandatory life sentences. So you all can look into that if you like. Were they like, you can't give mandatory life sentences, basically? Well, they were minors when they were handed out. Right. Yeah, so there's a lot. Yeah, you can't serve minors with the same. With a life sentence, essentially. Whether they're tried as adults or whether they're, first degree, an adult crime. That's kind of why at the beginning I was like, are they tried as adults? Because.

If they are, that's, like, it's a slam-dunk thing. But when you're a minor, after you turn a certain age, your shit gets expunged. And they were 16 when they committed crimes. Yeah. So, like, what is it when you turn 19 or 20, your record gets expunged from all your minor crimes? Not felonies. I don't believe minor... You've got to go through some shit to get your felonies expunged. Oh. Like, I have... I had a couple misdemeanors in my early teenage years, which were, yes, indeed, expunged. When I turned 18, I went and had them expunged. Very easy thing to do. I don't think felonies are the same. And I don't know that I'm right about them. If you're using the show for research, don't.

But I believe felonies hang with you. Like, that's kind of a thing. It makes sense. Yeah. As well as you should. Depending on what. People make mistakes. People deserve second chances. If you kill somebody, it's my personal opinion, you're irredeemable. Well, depending on the circumstances. A vehicular man. If you do a murder. If you do a murder that has the word degree. If you do a murder.

Because if you kill somebody out of self-defense, that's not a murder. If you kill somebody on accident, that's not a murder. Saying kill someone was a poor term. If you have been a subject of a serial chillers episode, you just go ahead and fuck right off. In July of 2015, Adam Chick is currently appealing Judge Dale's decision in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals with oral arguments taking place.

on February of 2022, and Judge Bybee, Morgan Christian, and James Selma presiding on March 24, 2022, they would again upheld the sentence in an unpublished decision. So it's like a group of judges this time? Yeah, because he's in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Do they do the high-speed hats like in Futurama? Yes, they do. It's all DSL. That's how it happens. They disconnect them. So there is a civil suit also filed by the Stoddart family in 2010. The Stoddart family filed a civil lawsuit against the Idaho School District, claiming the school authorities were negligent and should have known that Draper and Adamczyk posed threats.

to others, both the Civil Court and the Idaho Supreme Court dismissed the case saying the actions of the killers were not foreseeable. Yeah, I mean, so nothing ever happens until it happens. You know what I mean? This isn't fucking... There's no way you can look at somebody and be like... Well, I mean, you can. You can look at somebody and be like, they're going to kill somebody. They're going to eat somebody's face. You can look at somebody and say, statistically, this person is likelier to kill somebody and eat someone's face. You can't say that someone is going to do it. Right, right. This is a minority report. I don't know, man. I feel like sometimes you can look at...

There's certain people like, I might cut this out, but I have a cousin. There's a whole part here about the U.S. Supreme Court mandatory life sentences. This is the Miller v. Alabama. United States Supreme Court ruled the mandatory sentences of life without the possibility of parole are unconstitutional for juvenile offenders, even in cases of murder, ruling that the use of the convict has to be considered. Okay, so they're like, oh, because he's young and he might- You can't say it's life without parole. You can't do it because he's a kid. Right.

So there are... So some states were like, you know, that doesn't work here. Yeah, we're not fucking going backwards, buddy. On October 16th of 2019, the Supreme Court held oral arguments in Mathena v. Malvo, another juvenile life without parole case that would have had an effect on Adam Schick and Draper's sentences. The Supreme Court dismissed the Malvo case, but heard oral arguments in Jones v. Mississippi, another case relating to juvenile life without parole sentences. On November 3rd of 2020, oh, sorry, that was a juvenile life without sentences. That was on November 3rd of 2020. On April 22nd of 2021, the Supreme Court ruled in Jones that finding a permanent incorrigibility isn't required when sentencing a juvenile. So you can't...

Still, everything has been upheld as far as April 22nd of 2021. A juvenile cannot be handed a life sentence without parole. They can go a life sentence, but they have to have the opportunity for parole after, you know, whatever it is next amount of years. Okay. So that's the sad story, very solved, of Casey Jo's daughter. That is fucked up, and like I said, it sounds like Scream, where, like, in Scream, Billy and Stu were just pricks. Like, they were just assholes for the sake of being assholes. Well, didn't Sidney's mom fuck Billy's dad?

You're not responsible for the actions of your parents. I'm not saying that she deserved it for that. You know what I mean? You don't pick who your parents are. You're not responsible for the actions of your parents unless you're like, hey, mom, this guy Billy, his dad's a total dilf. Like, in that case. Do you know she didn't? I'm kidding. It wasn't established. I'm kidding. But, I mean, they just seem like pricks for prick's sake. And these guys. They seem like pricks for prick's sake. Well aware of what they were doing. Yeah, it happened 10 years after the movie came out. So that's why they believe they were inspired by it. When you're that age, when you're like 13 to.

17, 18. It's 20. At 18, you become an adult. There's a sense of object impermanence. You know what I mean? You draw on your shoes. It doesn't matter how much your shoes cost. You're drawing on your shoes. It's the same idea. You're writing on desks in school. There's a disregard for everything that's not you personally directly now in the moment. It's the same idea. If you ever take a child development course, they teach you that object impermanence is like if you had a five-year-old and you said, I'll give you a quarter right now or I'll give you $100 in 10 minutes, 90% of those kids are going to be like, give me that motherfucker.

quarter right now. Sorry. But it seems like it's a sense of object impermanence, not understanding the gravity of the situation. I remember my parents had this, and I'm not trying to equate... murder to what I'm talking about but it feels like the same line of thinking analogies must be made yeah like my parents had these like bar stools that had like a vinyl top on them and like stabbing those vinyl tops with stuff was so satisfying so satisfying not thinking that they're gonna split and like crease like that and every time you sit down it's gonna slice the back of your legs not thinking about anything like that just thinking about the satisfaction how fun the pop and the air coming out yeah like I get heroin like you know what I mean like it's the There's a sense of object impermanence. It's not mine. I don't care. All I'm concerned about is the satisfaction of doing this. And so I get it, as far as not understanding the gravity and the long-term repercussions for something. And I understand how, as an adult, you understand that more than you do as a teenager. But also, I'm not talking about a human life. I'm talking about a vinyl bar store that was kind of ugly, if I think about it. And it was probably like, man, that's going to cost us $100 to fix or replace. Right. It's not somebody's child. Well, you brought us a little article today, too, buddy. Do you want to do a break or no? Yeah, let me do a break. Come back.

Or we'll kill you. Bing, bang, boom. Now it's in there. We'll do it, too. You watch. Welcome back. If you can see this or hear this, I'm not going to kill you. God, that was sexy. Thanks, man. Yeah. So I have a story. Well, it's not a story. It's an article. I got it from the internet. So I was on a cruise ship once, right? Lady fell overboard for the whole thing. Wait, is that your story? It doesn't matter.

No, this comes from themilitarytimes.com. It's something I've seen recently, a little bit of, and I am intrigued because the news is like three days old now. Really quickly, I can't remember if we recorded and we guessed in three words what each other's subjects were, but you said, for mine... I said unsolved murder case. It was pretty close. It was wrong. It was a murder case. It was a murder case. So I got a 66%. And I said UFOs and government. Yeah, and you are correct on all counts because a few days ago there was a...

news report that a pentagon official who's like in charge of ufo stuff uh said that there's potentially a mothership in our solar system uh releasing smaller ufos to like check out planets like legit independence day a little bit yeah and that's kind of what so this is an article from the military times talking about that let's go so um It's from the Military Times observation post. It says, Pentagon UFO chief says alien mothership in our solar system possible. There is a possibility that extraterrestrial motherships and smaller probes may be visiting planets in our solar system. The head of the Pentagon Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Research Office noted in a report draft shared Tuesday. So that was just three days ago, four days ago. It's terrifying. An artificial interstellar object could potentially be a parent craft that releases many small probes during its close passage to Earth, an operational construct not too dissimilar from NASA missions. Sean Kirkpatrick, director of the Pentagon's All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, wrote in a research report co-authored by Abraham Loeb, chairman of Harvard University's astronomy department. So this is from...

like, a NASA parallel and Harvard. Yeah, this isn't like... It's not me. Said on George Norris, but... Yeah, it's not me saying this. I, um... It's fucking scary, because I picked up on what you were saying, who was saying these things initially, and was like, I don't like that real people are disseminating this information. I fucking love it. I mean, part of me does. I'll tell you more about what I think. Part of me is it like...

Are they just randomly searching solar systems and planets? Or were they like, somewhere from the solar system, a radio signal came out? What planet are they at? Are they starting at the back and working towards the middle? When's it going to be our turn? There's a lot to be said for the ability to travel to our solar system. Because the closest solar system to ours is four and a half light years away. So you still have to go hundreds of thousands of miles. But that being said,

Millions of miles? I mean, technically both. You have to go at least 10 miles. Yeah, you'll have to go over 50 miles to get to it. But it's more than a mile away. It's a long way. I just hit my head pretty hard on the shelf. Are you okay? You want to nap? You're supposed to nap a concussion. Yeah, just leave the wound open and let me sleep it off. We'll pack it with maggots. Oh, God. I did it pretty hard.

Need a sec? Well, you made me laugh, and I said, I'm a very animated human, Greg. There's nothing I can do to help that. I wish I'd gotten that on camera, because that's how the show would open. Yeah, I'm okay. I don't need math anyway. Listen, it doesn't feel great. What were you saying? 10 Miles to Mars? Yeah, whatever. What was that movie with Andy Samberg where he's like a pop star? And something came up, and he's like, 90 seconds? You can get to Mars three times. And what's his name? Tim Robbins was his manager, and he's like, I've told you before, 30 Seconds to Mars is a band name. It is not a fact.

That's funny. Oh, sorry. So, like, they're talking about, you know, they're moving through the solar system looking for life, but we've talked about Valiant Thor and how he's from Venus. I mean, I don't want to meet him or anything. I do like him. You don't want to meet, like, a seven-foot Swedish guy? No. His skin suit creeps me out. It's not a suit of skin. It's just, like, a skin-tight suit. It creeps me out. It creeps me out. All right. I think it'd be cool. I'd be like, can I stab you?

Can we shoot you? Can we set you on fire? Hey, man. It's two each their own. I'm not going to yuck your yum. You know what I'm saying? This is science, baby. You know what's great about our two different responses? What's that? You'll get all the data and bring it back to me, and I don't have to meet you. He's like, yeah, you can do all that stuff. You just can't tell Jesse. You know what? Worth. Don't care. Because I got to have fun. But no, he's from Venus. We talked about how the CIA astral projected to Mars a million years ago and saw the dying ends of a civilization. So, you know, what was that Rick and Morty episode where they were looking at the dinosaurs across all the different planets and how they just kind of traveled throughout the universe?

Could be something like that, where they're just like... Okay, that's where we're going to face our theories now. Well, I mean... Is that a Rick and Morty episode? I mean, in the sense of... Being highly intelligent to understand what's happening in that television program? Yeah. If you identify with the alcoholic narcissist on the show, then you need to have a talk.

No, I just mean in the sense of going throughout the universe and finding the relics of past civilizations. So maybe seeing that the people on Venus didn't last or the people on Mars didn't last. And so there's these relics of civilizations. They're finding pyramids. They're finding things like that that may have indicated intelligent life. And that's what they're looking for. And then they're going to shit a brick when they get to Earth. Yeah. If they're not here already. Or whatever. I don't fucking know. I'm not even...

Two paragraphs in. Let me get more into this. Kirkpatrick, who was appointed as the director of the AARO when it was founded in July 2022, previously served as a chief scientist of the Defense Intelligence Agency's Missile and Space Intelligence Center. The AARO was established to investigate unidentified objects, quote, objects of interest, end quote, around military installations, according to a Pentagon press release. We've talked about that stuff before. Objects of interest? Like, I've talked about the nuke that, like, shoots up, and then there's, like, a UFO, or, like, it was a test rocket, and it shoots up, and the little UFO shows up and, like, hits it with a beam of light, and then the thing just goes, and falls out of the sky. I do remember that. Yeah, like...

They got a whole office for that shit now because they're like, it's happening too much. We're going to need to put together just a whole squadron for that, I believe. Yeah, we're going to need some guys to look into this. Build an office. You want an acronym or? No, we'll just take some initials.

So Loeb, on the other hand, gained notoriety when he proposed our solar system had been traversed by its first extra solar visitor in October of 2017. At that time, the Pan-STARRS telescope in Hawaii detected an object moving at a speed that caused some scientists to suggest that it originated outside our solar system. The object's orbit also hinted at other forces behind besides the sun's gravitational pull influencing its movement. Okay, so I was going to say, there's like a lot of things that fly through our solar system that originate from outside our solar system, but they are going to be affected by... Well, it'll be obvious that they're being drawn towards the sun and...

subject to gravitational pull from other planets, they'll deviate from a straight line. If something's moving through at a straight line, it's something other than the sun that's affecting it. You know what I mean? Interesting. Yeah, especially if it's like really cooking. I love learning about stuff I don't understand. And they'll be like, you know, if that thing's really cooking, that's not the sun that's dragging it in. That thing's fucking moving and we don't know why. It's moving on its own accord and it's, we don't know what it is. As it piloted intelligently. Yay! Scientists dub the object.

See, now I feel like I may have overstepped with trying to pronounce some of this stuff. This is an upstate New York name? No, it's Hawaiian. Oumuamua. O-U-M-U-A-M-U-A. Yeah, yeah. Oumuamua. I like where you're at. The Hawaiian term for scout, which Kirkpatrick and Loeb offer in their research paper as an example of possible mothership with probe capabilities. You're for sure getting called Howie by the time this is over. So with proper design, these tiny probes would reach the Earth or other solar system planets for exploration as the parent craft passes by within a fraction of the Earth-Sun separation. Just like Oumuamua did.

The authors explained astronomers would not be able to notice the spray of mini probes because they do not reflect enough sunlight for existing survey telescopes to notice them. So they're saying like, they could be putting out a lot more of these probes than we believe. It sounds like they're talking more of, because they call them mini probes, it sounds like they're talking about drones. Like it may not even necessarily be a piloted craft, just something where they're like, as they're passing the straight line through our solar system and planets are revolving around it, they're just like, go. And then these things go collect data and then they rendezvous at another point with the ship again and they have their data. You know what I mean? So like these UFOs that we may or may not be seeing.

are potentially not even piloted. That was my next question, because you said how we are discovering other planets right now, as if we believe that the crafts were... Yeah, I mean, we're sending probes to other planets. Why would somebody just fly into our solar system and be like, yo, there's violent shaved apes on this planet with nuclear bombs. Let's just open the door and see what's going on over here. Also, they consume hundreds of species of other animals. Just eat everything. It's fucking wild there.

So the research paper titled Physical Constraints on an Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon comes following a month of intense scrutiny on unidentified flying objects, a stirring trend ignited when a Chinese spy balloon captivated the nation by drifting across U.S. airspace. Three additional unidentified objects were subsequently found. So once people kind of started looking up, they were like, holy shit, there's all kinds of stuff going on up here. On February 16th... It's not just the one thing. On February 16th, Senator Marco Rubio and Kristen Gillibrand...

And 12 other senators sent a letter to Deputy Secretary of Defense Kathleen Hicks and Deputy Director of National Intelligence Stacey Dixon calling for a full funding of the AARO. The Biden administration's previous funding request for fiscal year 2023 failed to fund anything beyond the office's basic operating expenses, the lawmakers argued. So he's like, yeah, they'll get paperclips and staples and toner, and that's it. And they're like, no, no, no, look at the shit that's going on above your head. We need to be looking at this. The AARO provides the opportunity to integrate and resolve the threats and hazards to the U.S. while also offering increased transparency to the American people and reducing the stigma, the lawmakers later stated.

AARO's success will depend on robust funding for its activities and cooperation between the Department of Defense and the intelligence community. So, all that. Fucking blow me with all that. But, like, because I don't want the intelligence community to know shit. Yeah. Because, you know, fuck them. That consists of the CIA, the NSA, all those guys. Fuck them all. Those are upstanding parts of our country right now. Sure, dude, if you like supporting war criminals. But with the UFOs. But they build rockets. Yeah, but not for cool science purposes. For, like, killing poor people purposes. Oh, okay. Like, that's, like, their whole jam. But anyway. They, um.

They kill poor people to make themselves rich. It's the way it works. It's some weird twisted Robin Hood. Tale as old as time. One of the things that I heard potentially about this, though, is that it's not just any ship. It's potentially the Anunnaki coming back, which is fucking cool if that's true. Big if true. Remind me why that would be so big. So the Anunnaki are the ones who allegedly started civilization here on Earth. Like, they...

there's the Anunnaki and like the Sumerians and all these like early civilizations. And basically the Anunnaki were like, Oh, we're going to make you people. And we're going to teach you to read enough to do things for us. We're going to teach you to count enough to do things for us. We're going to teach you to speak enough to understand when we're talking to you. That's it. We're not going to teach you how to use all the cool shit that you know how to do. Like, it's like, um,

trying to play xbox with a fucking joystick with a button on top like they can use telepathy to communicate they can um they know they were like you're our pets right essentially yeah and that's kind of how humanity got rolling um it's fair you gotta get a start somewhere and then you know you gotta do you know unpaid internships lost civilizations and stuff like that um you know like the uh like atlantis and uh samaria and um you know just lost some of the lost civilizations come from the anunnaki Okay. Lemuria. That's the other one. Lemuria. Last podcast did a cool story about that. Okay. But, yeah, so, like, they're saying, somebody's saying that it's the Anunnaki gods coming back to check progress and be like, hey, so it's been... So capitalism, huh? It's been 100,000 years. What'd you guys do? Oh. This is it, huh? You still killing each other for killing each other? Yeah, you guys still, like, just violent for no reason? Are you still... Oh, you guys invented money, huh? Ooh, this atmosphere is a lot thinner than we remember. A lot of greenhouse gases in here.

What do you suppose that rocket does? No, but I'm sure you're doing fine. Yeah, you guys are great. Just go ahead and scrub the project. But, I mean, that's a fear for some people is that that'll happen. Is that they see that we haven't advanced and they're like...

Fuck them. Well, that's kind of what's the theory that we haven't met alien races yet and one of them is because that they've seen us and we're like, nah. Yeah. And hard no. They've seen what we have. Map the solar system, put it on the list of no intelligent life. Well, there's also, that's the Dyson sphere where there's a force field around our solar system basically keeping us in. We'll never get beyond the edge of it because we're dangerous. Or there's also the flip side that nothing will get to us because everything else is dangerous and somebody's looking out for us. God?

Maybe. Or aliens. But see, that's the whole Anunnaki thing. Alien gods. Like, they came from off-planet. They seeded life here. You know what I say? Fuck it. Bring it back. Maybe they'll think some of us are cool. You're cool. You're cool. Fuck you. Jeff Bezos is just like... Should have let Shatner talk, man. I've got more money than everybody else here combined.

Money is just a construct. Same as time. Yeah. Plus, you have no hair. That's bad for us. We're the only ones allowed to not have hair. Anyway, yeah, I just thought that's a fun... That's very fun. I'm kind of looking at some other stuff about it because I was like, man, what the fuck? But I think it's weird with all the train crashes that we saw and the UFOs that we were allegedly shooting down around the time of the Chinese spy balloon. Is it just me or all those crashes in Ohio? Well, so check this out. Here's my theory on that whole thing. It's like the memes have just predicted what's going to start happening. I've been pretty quiet about a lot of it through most of it.

But I think that – I think my theory that I would like to posit is – I believe that's why we're all here. The UFOs or some of what we shot down were UFOs or maybe drones. When? Like in addition to – because there was a couple of UFOs shot down around the time of the Chinese spy balloon. Okay. There was one over Alaska. There was another one – there was another one over like the Midwest or potentially further east. Okay. But there was a couple that were shot down. And then the train crashes started happening. My thinking is that –

maybe a pilot was recovered from these UFOs and being transported on the, on the trains. It was Marcus hazardous waste, even though it wasn't hazardous waste. That's why they were allowed to carry it. It was Marcus hazardous waste to keep people from like checking it out and getting in there and stuff. And it was carrying the pilots of these crafts. Then this mothership or whatever other crafts are out there came on a search and rescue mission.

recovered their pilot and crashed that. It spilled everywhere. They're like, or it didn't spill because there's nothing to spill. And they're like, fuck, we got to have something spill. So they spilled something. Or maybe whatever they spilled was used to clean up or sanitize the scene after alien life was there. You know, it's poisonous to us, so we have to kill it. And the only thing that kills it is this super corrosive chemical. But after the Roswell crash, a lot of the wreckage was taken to Wright-Patterson Field in Dayton, Ohio.

And it turned it into a UFO hotspot. Because they're like, we want our shit back, bro. UFO parts or pilots moving towards Wright-Patterson, crashing trains in Ohio and stuff. I have looked into this absolutely zero. I mean, hey, buddy, a theory can be that. But yeah, that's kind of where I'm at right now, is that the train derailments weren't actually trained. They were search and rescue missions for pilots and parts from the UFOs that were shot down recently. Spills are false flags. The spills are cleanup attempts to cover up whatever was being transported.

Or the remnants of it. Wild. Or maybe that's what it takes to keep those life forms alive. Is this just some caustic? Yeah. Like gnarly shit. Must be pretty important things to keep alive. I mean. Yeah. Alien life forms and such. Yeah. So. You ain't wrong.

Wild, man. I know I've said it a few times. I don't even really know what I'll say. Yeah, I mean, it's just like you say. You keep talking and I'm on my fourth. Damn, that's crazy. It's like normally when, you know, you bring, not you, like you hear a story like that. It's like, yeah, you know, I totally read it on, you know, conspiracies from Tom.com. Yeah, it's on the website with the black background and the bright green font. When you're like, oh, I actually read this on MSN's website and it's by a Harvard guy. Yeah, this is from militarytimes.com. It's definitely... Zamone Perez. Interesting.

Interesting and scary thought, for sure. Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's something to think about because there has been a lot of... Is this where you want to be when Jesus comes back? Well, there's been a lot of talk about disclosure lately in the last few years with Tom DeLonge's To The Stars Academy, which I fucking dislike that whole thing. I don't know enough about it, but I know that I knew that you disliked it. Yeah, I don't trust it. If you don't...

If you want to know why, message me. I'm not going to go into it here. Fair, I like that. Way to drive engagement, bro. I just like the To The Stars Academy and their whole premise, but they have been leaking a lot of stuff, the gimbal footage, the Tic Tac, all that stuff. They've been vocal about stuff that we've been seeing, but there has been an uptick in UFO videos that I've been seeing. Whether they're faked or not, I can't say. I'm not good. I'm not a guy who knows that. But I can tell you I have seen an uptick in UFO videos.

That link you sent me, does it get updated or is that a finite list of videos? I don't know. There's so many on there. I mean, there's like hundreds. I still got it. It's a fun, I mean, I have most of them. I took like a day and went through and saved most of them to a hard drive. Nice. Good for you. Good for you. Thanks. Good to have a physical copy. All right, well, let's wrap this thing up, man. All right. You guys, check out everything on SerialChillersPod.com. Thank you to everybody who's given to the show. Really quickly, we'll talk about some of the changes that are happening in our lives. Greg and I are once again going to be...

It'll be I that moves through a bunker this time. It's not because you guys. We still love you very much. This isn't your fault. We don't want you to think that. No, I'm moving to the East Coast at some point in the early summer. And I know that West Coast is Best Coast, so I'm not leaving. I just know that East Coast is Beast Coast. I don't know. Weast Coast? I don't know. No, never mind. Yeah, so I'll be moving like 2,300 miles away from Greg. So things will be a little different, but I think that we're going to figure out how to...

Make it happen. Yeah, we've got ideas. There'll be challenges, but there will be... There's going to be some more growing pangs. Yeah, yeah. But we have a pretty cool idea for a season finale for this season in the works, which I hope works out. I'm not going to tease it here besides that, just in case it doesn't. We've got thoughts. Whatever you're seeing for the season finale is totally what I was talking about right now. We're planning it. But yeah, we definitely have some ideas that I think would be really fun and really cool. If you don't believe us, you can stuff it. You might have to stuff it.

I think that's pretty much it. I mean, you guys got the contact. It's SerialChillersPod.com. Greg and I are realists, so we know that the numbers on this one will be a little lower. So if you made it this far, we appreciate it a lot. Hope you had fun. You're just shooting the shit. This is what it's like when we hang out. Exactly. You're probably one of the regulars, so you know all this stuff. But if you need any of it, SerialChillersPod.com. Give it to the Patreon if you can. Little donations there. Thank you to everybody who does that. Anything to add, buddy? LonelyFansWithTwoZs.com. Check it out. It's a real thing. I know I say it every time. I mean, he says it every time. I say it every time. But thank you, guys. Think about where you want to be when the UFOs get here.

Is this where you want to be when the Anunnaki's come back? Yeah, man. Yes. All right. Well, then, Fort Hella Greg, I'm Prominent Jesse. Remember, don't talk to strangers.