EPISODE · Apr 22, 2026 · 1H 1M
Starting Over: The Truth About Timing, Failure & Rebuilding
from The FOURTH PHASE PODCAST · host Fourth Phase Productions
In this first Swim Buddy episode, JJ and Kristel share the real story behind The Fourth Phase Podcast—why it took years to launch, what they went through to get here, and why the timing finally mattered.From divorce and life transitions to rebuilding, discipline, and connection, this episode breaks down what it actually means to start over—and why you’re never out of the fight.They introduce the Swim Buddy concept from Navy SEAL training and how it translates into marriage, partnership, and life.
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In this first Swim Buddy episode, JJ and Kristel share the real story behind The Fourth Phase Podcast—why it took years to launch, what they went through to get here, and why the timing finally mattered.From divorce and life transitions to rebuilding, discipline, and connection, this episode breaks down what it actually means to start over—and why you’re never out of the fight.They introduce the Swim Buddy concept from Navy SEAL training and how it translates into marriage, partnership, and life.
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