Talking About Hypnosis and Pain Relief

Send us Fan MailDenise Billen-Mejia MD CH                                                                       [email protected] www.healandberadiant.comLes Roberts ACH                                               [email protected]  www.lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk Welcome to Two Hypnotherapists Talking with me, Denise Biller-Mejia, in Delaware, USA. (0:06) And me, Les Roberts, in St Helens, United Kingdom. (0:10) This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about the fascinating (0:14) world of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and (0:22) specialist in working with children. And I'm a retired medical doctor (0:26) and consultant hypnotist. We are Two Hypnotherapists Talking.(0:33) So, let's get on with the episode. (0:37) Episode three. Hello again.(0:39) Episode three already. I know, it'll be nine before we blink. (0:44) Anyway, my dear, today we're going to talk about just you and me, because you and me (0:48) are who's on the call.It was a great call last week with Melanie. It's very nice of her to come (0:53) on. Last time we spoke, we talked about your business.So, can I be a little bit selfish (0:59) and say, let's talk about mine for a minute. That's not being selfish at all, of course. (1:03) I've got my, all of my marketing work is now, for June, is pushing towards something.I haven't (1:14) decided the actual date, but before the end of June, I will do a webinar on hypnosis and pain. (1:19) Not to teach hypnotists, although they're welcome to join me, but to talk to the general public (1:26) about whether pain is really useful. And pain can be useful, but hypnosis is really useful (1:33) for getting rid of it.That's the idea. Yeah. And it's really funny, isn't it? It's been in (1:43) the public arena since the early 1800s.Actually, the late 1700s, but early 1800s is when they (1:54) labeled it hypnosis. That's when it got the name. And it has been, it's been this sort of, (2:00) we've talked about hypnosis for 10 years and then it'll go away.It just disappears for another 20. (2:05) Then it comes back again and disappears again. It is having a bit of a time, I think.Maybe the (2:10) internet is part of that, but I am constantly annoyed at how little I knew about it when I was (2:19) a doctor. I'm amazed that I wasn't taught in medical school, particularly since both of our, (2:25) both English and American health associations, for doctors, said it should be taught in medical (2:32) school. Yeah, I totally agree.I think it should. I think also, I think our local, (2:39) like general practitioners, our doctors need to be aware that there is other alternatives out there (2:47) than what we want. So I know that you're going to talk about pain, which I will be quiet in a (2:53) minute and let you talk about.But I do think when you go to our GPs, when you go to our local (3:02) doctors and you, you're not quite sure, you know, of like, why, why you feel the way you feel? (3:08) Is it anxiety? Is it pain? Is it lack of sleep? Is it, you know, all of the things, not one of them. (3:15) And I mean, not one of them, in my experience, thinks of hypnosis as a first call. They think, (3:24) I don't mind it not being the first call, because there's a lot of legal and medical (3:29) legal things that are going on.Well, at least by the second or third time, (3:34) yeah. And you're writing yet another pain prescription, which you also hoping works, (3:39) but you know, everybody reacts to drugs and to hypnosis differently. Yeah, different types of (3:46) hypnosis work for different people.So you need to find somebody that you're comfortable chatting (3:52) with. And that, you know, you feel like a simpatico with the hypnotist, because you're (3:58) going to be working together to find those things that really speak to your subconscious. (4:03) Yeah.Get rid of the pain. Yeah. I've just picked a client, a lady for six sessions.And she was, (4:15) she went to her doctors and her doctor said, why don't we try hypnosis? (4:22) Had you spoken to the doctor? How did that person? Why is he so different from the other 99%? (4:28) No, I haven't spoken to him yet or her. But however, I have got permission to (4:36) write to the doctor afterwards when we finished her sessions. (4:40) It's interesting how different I think it's because I'm a doctor myself originally.(4:44) Yeah, but I it's a it's mandatory that I can communicate with the doctor. Yeah, they often (4:51) don't call me back. But I get to at least say, do you have any objections? Do you realize that (4:57) XYZ problem? But when I then the opportunity to tell me other things about the patient that they (5:03) may not have told me? Yeah, because yeah, definitely.And I know a few few a few minutes (5:10) ago, I don't want to think that I'm contradicting myself. And I know a few minutes ago, I said that (5:15) I have never had a referral from a doctor. This is wasn't a referral to me.This was just a referral. (5:23) The object Google hypnosis. Yeah.Yeah, she is she hyper local? She like (5:32) she's about three, four miles away from me. So yeah, she's very nice. Yeah.Yeah. Which is great. (5:38) May I ask what kind of pain she's dealing with? (5:41) She has been in a couple of RTAs.And she's just suffers with with this pain (5:49) constantly. traffic accident, I'm assuming. Yeah, our acronyms are different than yours.(5:54) Oh, sorry. Yeah. accident.And she's struggling with with pain. But this lovely lady is also got (6:05) fibromyalgia. Yeah, she's lovely.We're enjoying. We're enjoying the session. She's she's really (6:12) lovely.So well, if anybody listens to last week's episode where we were talking to Melanie McCall, (6:18) who I've currently I'm currently using her system. She's she's she and her husband Sean have built (6:26) out a great system where the website and all the things that you need to have a business all (6:31) mesh. It's in one place.She was the reason for that. That is the impetus for me to get (6:38) super organized for a change instead of this fake organized. And all of my marketing tools (6:46) this month, meaning June, because right, is to have the person with chronic pain, hear about (6:58) hypnosis.Yeah, I truly don't mind if you don't come to me, but please look into it for your for (7:04) your pain. So I'm hoping that the audience that will come to the webinar will be a mixture of (7:11) patients. Yeah, but we've we've had this conversation before, Denise, if you remember from (7:17) season eight, where I told you when I used to work for our National Health Service, there was (7:25) a department called MSK, which is musculoskeletal.One of their managers actually said to me, (7:34) because it is when I was training to be an NLP practitioner. And one of their managers said to (7:39) me, I wish that you could get involved with the the clients, because there's a lot of patients, (7:46) you call them as a lot of patients that come in that have psychosomatic pain. (7:52) It makes sense, doesn't it really make sense.And it's not all it isn't necessarily that (8:00) psychosomatic pain, because we know it also works in the acute phase as well. People can have whole (8:08) big time operations under hypnosis, not recommended for everybody. It is for people who can't use (8:15) standard anesthesia.But it is amazing. And for those people who have experienced it, (8:23) you can't understand why the rest of the world doesn't know. I don't know whether we exactly all (8:29) the TV shows I've ever seen this one recently, I'm not saying answer anymore.They've always got (8:34) that sort of boom part on instead of just playing. It's just a technique that will make life easier (8:42) for you. Go and talk to a hypnotist find out.I don't know a hypnotist at all. He doesn't do a (8:48) free consultation. That's not true.I do know a couple that charge and that money is put towards (8:53) your first session. But yeah, most don't charge most I don't charge you. I don't.I don't. It's (8:59) usually we just if the only thing our business was doing was educating people on hypnosis, (9:06) we'd be happy. We are happier if we can pay the rent as well.But the important thing is to get (9:12) the word out there. It is this really good. And especially like you said, what what you're working (9:18) on it with pain with you know, with pain relief.It's really, really important because it takes (9:23) over your life, doesn't it? Yeah, exactly. It becomes everything you wake up and you think, (9:30) am I awake? I must be awake because I can feel it. You know, the pain's there right from the get go.(9:36) Yeah. Yeah, it's not good, is it? But I think I think if we keep ringing the bell and keep, (9:42) you know, banging our drums and everything, I think eventually some of it is going to start (9:47) trickling through. And I do think because we're getting more organized, the internet is a wonderful (9:52) thing.Yeah, real gift from God. We we can communicate with you. We spoke to Melanie in (9:58) Florida, we're going to be speaking to other people in England and other farther flung people.And (10:05) hypnotists themselves aren't working in a little silo anymore. We're able to go to meetings virtually (10:11) instead of having to find the money to fly to Australia, which is great, because now I know, (10:17) probably a few thousand hypnotists. Yeah.And where I could name, if I really force myself, (10:24) I could name a hundred. But people you recognize or subjects, you know, (10:30) yeah, my mind, I know, I know him,