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Send us Fan MailDenise Billen-Mejia MD CH                                                                       [email protected] www.healandberadiant.comLes Roberts ACH                                               [email protected]  www.lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk Welcome to Two Hypnotherapists Talking with me, Denise Biller-Mejia, in Delaware, USA. (0:06) And me, Les Roberts, in St Helens, United Kingdom. (0:10) This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about the fascinating (0:14) world of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and (0:22) specialist in working with children. And I'm a retired medical doctor (0:26) and consultant hypnotist. We are Two Hypnotherapists Talking.(0:33) So, let's get on with the episode. (0:37) Episode three. Hello again.(0:39) Episode three already. I know, it'll be nine before we blink. (0:44) Anyway, my dear, today we're going to talk about just you and me, because you and me (0:48) are who's on the call.It was a great call last week with Melanie. It's very nice of her to come (0:53) on. Last time we spoke, we talked about your business.So, can I be a little bit selfish (0:59) and say, let's talk about mine for a minute. That's not being selfish at all, of course. (1:03) I've got my, all of my marketing work is now, for June, is pushing towards something.I haven't (1:14) decided the actual date, but before the end of June, I will do a webinar on hypnosis and pain. (1:19) Not to teach hypnotists, although they're welcome to join me, but to talk to the general public (1:26) about whether pain is really useful. And pain can be useful, but hypnosis is really useful (1:33) for getting rid of it.That's the idea. Yeah. And it's really funny, isn't it? It's been in (1:43) the public arena since the early 1800s.Actually, the late 1700s, but early 1800s is when they (1:54) labeled it hypnosis. That's when it got the name. And it has been, it's been this sort of, (2:00) we've talked about hypnosis for 10 years and then it'll go away.It just disappears for another 20. (2:05) Then it comes back again and disappears again. It is having a bit of a time, I think.Maybe the (2:10) internet is part of that, but I am constantly annoyed at how little I knew about it when I was (2:19) a doctor. I'm amazed that I wasn't taught in medical school, particularly since both of our, (2:25) both English and American health associations, for doctors, said it should be taught in medical (2:32) school. Yeah, I totally agree.I think it should. I think also, I think our local, (2:39) like general practitioners, our doctors need to be aware that there is other alternatives out there (2:47) than what we want. So I know that you're going to talk about pain, which I will be quiet in a (2:53) minute and let you talk about.But I do think when you go to our GPs, when you go to our local (3:02) doctors and you, you're not quite sure, you know, of like, why, why you feel the way you feel? (3:08) Is it anxiety? Is it pain? Is it lack of sleep? Is it, you know, all of the things, not one of them. (3:15) And I mean, not one of them, in my experience, thinks of hypnosis as a first call. They think, (3:24) I don't mind it not being the first call, because there's a lot of legal and medical (3:29) legal things that are going on.Well, at least by the second or third time, (3:34) yeah. And you're writing yet another pain prescription, which you also hoping works, (3:39) but you know, everybody reacts to drugs and to hypnosis differently. Yeah, different types of (3:46) hypnosis work for different people.So you need to find somebody that you're comfortable chatting (3:52) with. And that, you know, you feel like a simpatico with the hypnotist, because you're (3:58) going to be working together to find those things that really speak to your subconscious. (4:03) Yeah.Get rid of the pain. Yeah. I've just picked a client, a lady for six sessions.And she was, (4:15) she went to her doctors and her doctor said, why don't we try hypnosis? (4:22) Had you spoken to the doctor? How did that person? Why is he so different from the other 99%? (4:28) No, I haven't spoken to him yet or her. But however, I have got permission to (4:36) write to the doctor afterwards when we finished her sessions. (4:40) It's interesting how different I think it's because I'm a doctor myself originally.(4:44) Yeah, but I it's a it's mandatory that I can communicate with the doctor. Yeah, they often (4:51) don't call me back. But I get to at least say, do you have any objections? Do you realize that (4:57) XYZ problem? But when I then the opportunity to tell me other things about the patient that they (5:03) may not have told me? Yeah, because yeah, definitely.And I know a few few a few minutes (5:10) ago, I don't want to think that I'm contradicting myself. And I know a few minutes ago, I said that (5:15) I have never had a referral from a doctor. This is wasn't a referral to me.This was just a referral. (5:23) The object Google hypnosis. Yeah.Yeah, she is she hyper local? She like (5:32) she's about three, four miles away from me. So yeah, she's very nice. Yeah.Yeah. Which is great. (5:38) May I ask what kind of pain she's dealing with? (5:41) She has been in a couple of RTAs.And she's just suffers with with this pain (5:49) constantly. traffic accident, I'm assuming. Yeah, our acronyms are different than yours.(5:54) Oh, sorry. Yeah. accident.And she's struggling with with pain. But this lovely lady is also got (6:05) fibromyalgia. Yeah, she's lovely.We're enjoying. We're enjoying the session. She's she's really (6:12) lovely.So well, if anybody listens to last week's episode where we were talking to Melanie McCall, (6:18) who I've currently I'm currently using her system. She's she's she and her husband Sean have built (6:26) out a great system where the website and all the things that you need to have a business all (6:31) mesh. It's in one place.She was the reason for that. That is the impetus for me to get (6:38) super organized for a change instead of this fake organized. And all of my marketing tools (6:46) this month, meaning June, because right, is to have the person with chronic pain, hear about (6:58) hypnosis.Yeah, I truly don't mind if you don't come to me, but please look into it for your for (7:04) your pain. So I'm hoping that the audience that will come to the webinar will be a mixture of (7:11) patients. Yeah, but we've we've had this conversation before, Denise, if you remember from (7:17) season eight, where I told you when I used to work for our National Health Service, there was (7:25) a department called MSK, which is musculoskeletal.One of their managers actually said to me, (7:34) because it is when I was training to be an NLP practitioner. And one of their managers said to (7:39) me, I wish that you could get involved with the the clients, because there's a lot of patients, (7:46) you call them as a lot of patients that come in that have psychosomatic pain. (7:52) It makes sense, doesn't it really make sense.And it's not all it isn't necessarily that (8:00) psychosomatic pain, because we know it also works in the acute phase as well. People can have whole (8:08) big time operations under hypnosis, not recommended for everybody. It is for people who can't use (8:15) standard anesthesia.But it is amazing. And for those people who have experienced it, (8:23) you can't understand why the rest of the world doesn't know. I don't know whether we exactly all (8:29) the TV shows I've ever seen this one recently, I'm not saying answer anymore.They've always got (8:34) that sort of boom part on instead of just playing. It's just a technique that will make life easier (8:42) for you. Go and talk to a hypnotist find out.I don't know a hypnotist at all. He doesn't do a (8:48) free consultation. That's not true.I do know a couple that charge and that money is put towards (8:53) your first session. But yeah, most don't charge most I don't charge you. I don't.I don't. It's (8:59) usually we just if the only thing our business was doing was educating people on hypnosis, (9:06) we'd be happy. We are happier if we can pay the rent as well.But the important thing is to get (9:12) the word out there. It is this really good. And especially like you said, what what you're working (9:18) on it with pain with you know, with pain relief.It's really, really important because it takes (9:23) over your life, doesn't it? Yeah, exactly. It becomes everything you wake up and you think, (9:30) am I awake? I must be awake because I can feel it. You know, the pain's there right from the get go.(9:36) Yeah. Yeah, it's not good, is it? But I think I think if we keep ringing the bell and keep, (9:42) you know, banging our drums and everything, I think eventually some of it is going to start (9:47) trickling through. And I do think because we're getting more organized, the internet is a wonderful (9:52) thing.Yeah, real gift from God. We we can communicate with you. We spoke to Melanie in (9:58) Florida, we're going to be speaking to other people in England and other farther flung people.And (10:05) hypnotists themselves aren't working in a little silo anymore. We're able to go to meetings virtually (10:11) instead of having to find the money to fly to Australia, which is great, because now I know, (10:17) probably a few thousand hypnotists. Yeah.And where I could name, if I really force myself, (10:24) I could name a hundred. But people you recognize or subjects, you know, (10:30) yeah, my mind, I know, I know him,

Send us Fan MailDenise Billen-Mejia MD CH                                                                       [email protected] www.healandberadiant.comLes Roberts ACH                                               [email protected]  www.lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.ukMelanie McCool  CHt                                                                      [email protected]  Hypnosis Education Association President   Welcome to Two Hypnotherapists Talking with me, Denise Villamih here in Delaware, USA. (0:06) And me, Les Roberts in St Helens, United Kingdom. (0:10) This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about the fascinating (0:14) world of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.I'm a clinical hypnotherapist (0:21) and specialist in working with children. And I'm a retired medical doctor and consultant (0:28) to hypnosis. We are Two Hypnotherapists Talking.So let's get on with the episode. (0:37) Hi. So today we get to welcome Melanie McCall, who is, she's not my boss, but she runs a program (0:45) I'm now taking great advantage of in getting my practice out into the public world.Melanie is the (0:55) founder of Hypnobiz in a Box. And everything is a win, which sounds great for hypnosis. (1:02) And she is also the current president of, I'll get this title right, Hypnosis Education Association.(1:10) Okay, good. Since I'm just joining, I ought to remember the name. (1:16) Melanie, why don't you go ahead and talk about yourself a little bit.And then I think you (1:21) were going to talk about overwhelm for hypnotists. Was that the topic? (1:27) So I'm Melanie McCall. I'm the entrepreneur's hypnotherapist.And my specialty is actually in (1:35) helping entrepreneurs through the, well, the many things that we deal with, but especially (1:42) burnout. So I have a protocol that I've developed for people who have experienced (1:50) extreme burnout. And because, well, when I experienced that, I found that the ways that (1:59) people typically said to get help were not working.Now I, so I, yeah. (2:08) Can I just interrupt you for a sec? Was this when you were working in the business world? (2:13) Yes, exactly. So, and I started in business in 2000.I know that's so easy. And it's 25 (2:20) because my daughter's 25 years old because I got started to be her mom, like working from home. (2:26) So I was learning online business and all kinds of things that I had never done before in my life, (2:34) but I did and I became very successful.And, you know, this term, this idea of like being (2:39) very successful from the outside. Well, yes, I was very successful on the outside and my life (2:46) and, you know, it appeared, but in, but inside I was clearly not well. I was overworking and (2:54) there's many reasons for that, which I'm not going to go into necessarily.But what I can tell you (3:02) is when I went, when I got to this point where I, I could not work. So unmitigated stress, (3:10) okay, this is, this is the, the cause of burnout and the world health organization actually (3:19) caused this a, um, a mental syndrome caused from unmitigated workplace stress. So I'm just going (3:28) to put that out there because so many people use the word burnout all the time for all kinds of (3:32) things.Um, but I think, I do kind of think it's kind of odd. You know, they just call it workplace (3:37) place stress because it costs corporations like trillions of dollars a year. (3:43) Yeah.But when you're, when you're an entrepreneur, you're not in an organization that's spending (3:50) trillions to help you. If you're an entrepreneur and you burn out, you literally are taken out. (3:56) So burnout is characterized by three main symptoms.I can, you can tell where somebody (4:02) is on this path by where they're at. Number one is that kind of overwhelmed, but (4:10) exhaustion that you cannot rest from. So you can sleep, you can do yoga, you can meditate, (4:18) you can go on vacation, you could do, and your body literally just does not do the healing it (4:24) needs.That's one. When that continues unmitigated, um, two, you start to get really, (4:32) I just think of it as a cynical phase. Like I hate this thing.I built this to have freedom (4:37) in my life. And instead I hate this. I want to burn it all to the ground.That's, that's phase (4:43) two. When you get to the third, well, you're out of the game. Basically it's lack of productivity.(4:51) Then I'm going to pause there because that's why corporations spend trillions. (4:55) Lack of productivity is what they want. But again, for a, for a business owner, (5:03) lack of productivity means you literally cannot support yourself anymore.I had no idea that this (5:08) could happen. Um, I had, I, when I think back through time, I think I probably burned out four (5:15) times before the big one where I literally couldn't think myself my way out of a paper bag. (5:22) I couldn't.And I was really scared. I'd, you know, at that point I'd been in business for (5:27) almost two decades, my children and our whole lifestyle was built on me being (5:32) a business owner with online business. Um, so I really struggled.I was, I had like massive (5:41) symptoms. And these are all, again, we're going to say the, the burn, they call it burnout as a (5:47) workplace syndrome or, you know, because work workplace stress, but we are not in a vacuum. (5:54) Right.There's family stress. There's the, uh, your, the economies, the, whatever the heck, (6:01) the, all the things around you are all piled on top. Right.So, uh, the idea that it's just from (6:08) work is silly. Um, but I, but all I knew is that I had to, I had to save myself, um, for the sake of (6:16) my family, probably always because of, for somebody else more so than me. Um, and I, I was meditating (6:25) a lot.So if you're familiar with like Dr. Joe's dispensers work, and I mean, when I was listening (6:32) I had, I have such a library of good recordings to share, like really do meditating a lot, (6:41) but I found that it was as if I was coming up against a wall that went to my healing. Like I (6:50) knew that there was just something I couldn't do myself. And I don't know what I searched online to (6:56) get the answers back that, um, led me down the path of getting help from a hypnotherapist, (7:04) but I basically read, which I now can translate as a hypnotherapist gets past the critical factor, (7:11) the critical faculty, or the gatekeeper as we think of it as, and can help me with the insomnia, (7:20) heart palpitations, muscle wasting, anxiety, (7:28) anger, all the things that were wildly out of control.I said, well, you don't have to tell (7:33) me twice, like, hello, I need help. And in the process of getting help, it was like, I just (7:42) imagine this Tetris game happening. All of these pieces were falling into place for me.(7:49) I had worked with literally tens of thousands of people across the world for almost two decades at (7:55) this point, and I saw all of their patterns so clearly. It was really amazing. And I realized (8:05) then that all of that time, all I was ever wanting to do was to help adults to reach their potential (8:12) and to get out of their own way and to do the things that they were passionate about and the (8:17) good life changing things that the services that they provide to humanity.And that's kind of a (8:24) big thing, but I do, I believe that people I get to work with are people who are doing good. So I (8:29) want to free them from their limitations. But back before I was a hypnotist, I didn't have any tools (8:34) to do that.I couldn't say, you know what you've, I've taught you everything I know about sales and (8:40) marketing. You've been in my classes for seven years and you still, the term self-sabotage. (8:51) And I couldn't say, you know what, I think back before I couldn't say, I think, you know, (8:56) you should probably get some therapy for that.Like I didn't have the permission and I didn't (9:01) have the tools and I couldn't talk to people like that. But when I got hypnotherapy, I was like, (9:09) oh, my goodness. I was like, not only did I need that, obviously, because I had to unlearn (9:19) so many habits that were.Yeah. And hypnosis does make that a lot faster for you. It was (9:25) incredible.Like I said, hypnosis and self-hypnosis. Once I got the, the, you know, I think of it as I (9:32) got the weeds out first, right? You can't plant the garden with self-hypnosis and all the good (9:37) things without the weeds. So a hypnotherapist helped me get rid of the weeds and then planting (9:41) the seeds of good habits, getting rid of the bad ones that were keeping me stressed and dying.(9:49) But yeah, at that point I was like, honestly, I, I realized I'd already pretty much stopped (9:55) my business. It took me easily four to six months to even heal enough to do something again. (10:02) I remember waking up and going, oh my gosh, my entrepreneur mind is back online.Thank goodness. (10:08) Like, I'm not going to, you know, I don't, I didn't know what I was going to do. Am I going (10:12) to go be a teacher again? I didn't know what I was going to do.And, um, but when I did, (10:18) I was like, I'm not going back to that same old world. I'm going to do this work. (10:24) Wow.Yeah. And

Send us Fan MailDenise Billen-Mejia MD CH www.healandberadiant.com       [email protected] Roberts ACH www.lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk [email protected] to Two Hypnotherapists Talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia, here in Delaware, USA. (0:06) And me, Les Roberts in St Helens, United Kingdom. (0:10) This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more (0:14) about the fascinating world of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.(0:19) I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and specialist in working with children. (0:25) And I'm a retired medical doctor and consultant hypnotist. (0:30) We are Two Hypnotherapists Talking.(0:33) So let's get on with the episode. (0:36) How about your presentation or everybody else's presentations? (0:40) It's fine. (0:41) It was an amazing weekend.(0:44) Absolutely exhausting, but an amazing weekend. (0:48) So I went to Hypnotic 2026 in Antwerp, Belgium. (0:54) Who's the governing body that organizes that? (0:58) Naila, her name is.(1:01) Naila, yeah. (1:02) So and her lovely sidekick Angelique, which she's such a lovely, lovely person. (1:08) I made some very good contacts there.(1:11) Some really, really nice people. (1:13) Met some lovely people and caught up with two of at least two of our guests. (1:18) Or could potentially could be three.(1:20) And it was just a fantastic weekend. (1:24) And they really look after you in Belgium. (1:27) Shame they couldn't save your throat.(1:29) I know. (1:30) So we were fed and we were watered regularly. (1:34) And it was such a lovely, lovely experience.(1:38) And it was just great. (1:39) It was just lovely, but it was so, so tiring. (1:42) Because you know, and I'm sure everybody else knows who networks.(1:46) The minute you hit the ground is the minute you start to network. (1:51) Yeah, so even over breakfast, you're talking to people. (1:54) Then you're attending presentations on the Saturday and the Sunday.(2:01) So you can consistently talk. (2:04) Non-stop. (2:05) Yeah, so.(2:06) How late did the conference go? (2:08) Did you get a decent night's sleep? (2:09) Did you get any social time built in? (2:11) Yeah, there was a little bit of social time. (2:13) Like we got, I flew in on the Thursday. (2:17) So I had the Thursday evening with one of my colleagues, Cara.(2:22) And then on the Friday, Jackie Thompson, another one of our colleagues. (2:27) She met us for breakfast and we spent the day in Antwerp. (2:32) We were tourists for the day.(2:33) We had lunch in Antwerp and then we came back to the hotel. (2:37) The hotel's quite a distance from the town. (2:39) So you have to either get an Uber or you have to get the bus.(2:44) So it's quite a distance. (2:46) And then on the Friday evening, we did some more networking, some more talking. (2:51) Everybody was there, you know, everybody was arriving ready for the Saturday morning.(2:56) It was just a brilliant convention. (2:59) Very, very well run. (3:01) Very put together, you know, so, so well.(3:04) And Neela and Anjali just ran it perfectly. (3:08) It was lovely. (3:09) All right.(3:10) So let's go with who did you listen to during the talk then? (3:15) I listened to quite a few people. (3:16) I listened to Jackie, of course. (3:18) And I listened to Cara.(3:20) I also went to John Scanlon because every time John has appeared at the UK, (3:27) I've never been able to see him because it's always ran against something else. (3:31) Either I'm talking or, you know, so I've always missed John. (3:36) So that was very, very good.(3:39) John is going to be a guest. (3:40) John's going to be a guest, yeah, during the season. (3:42) I also went to see Nicole Wackenegels.(3:47) Nicole was talking about what she does, (3:50) this wonderful thing to help with surgeries. (3:54) So nobody has any anesthetic. (3:57) It's all to do with hypnosis.(3:59) Really? (3:59) What sort of surgeries does she work with? (4:04) I don't think it's anything really, (4:06) but I think it's anything to do with any musculoskeletal or anything. (4:12) I know in Belgium particularly, (4:18) it's fairly well established for those patients who cannot undergo regular anesthesia. (4:27) There are a few conditions that make it difficult.(4:30) For those of you that don't know, (4:31) Nicole's from Switzerland and she runs the Swiss Hypnosis. (4:37) And I met her husband, Jacob. (4:39) What a gentleman.(4:40) Absolutely lovely gentleman. (4:42) I also went to, on the Sunday, I went to Giancarlo Russo's presentation. (4:52) What an extraordinary guy.(4:55) If we can get him on here one time, it would be amazing. (4:59) It would be lovely. (5:00) I haven't heard him since.(5:01) He was a presenter with the Elman conference about two, three years ago. (5:08) Yeah. (5:09) He was very helpful when a friend of mine had a stroke.(5:14) Because he's a physio, isn't he? (5:16) As well as a physiotherapist, yeah. (5:20) I've seen quite a few of these things on YouTube, yeah. (5:23) I also went to see a guy, I forgot his name, I do apologize.(5:28) And he did all havening and he did havening with hypnosis. (5:33) An Irish guy, such a gentleman. (5:35) So I'm hoping to see him in Ireland.(5:39) He was very, very good. (5:41) Get him on the show. (5:43) Well, I will actually.(5:45) I'll try and get him on if we can. (5:47) He was just fantastic. (5:49) And it made me look at the things that I do with children.(5:52) You know, when children are struggling with their feelings, (5:56) struggling with their emotions, if they can do the havening themselves, (6:01) then, you know, it would be great. (6:03) And I know he actually did it, you know, to someone, (6:06) but I just think it would be so, so good. (6:08) Yeah.(6:10) So I'm very, very interested in what he does. (6:12) So yeah, do you know what? (6:13) I shall email him and see if I can get him on. (6:16) If not, it will be next season.(6:19) But all together, it was such a lovely, lovely environment. (6:23) And everybody supported everybody. (6:26) Can you guesstimate how many people were there? (6:29) And how many countries were represented? (6:33) People don't seem to realize how far flung hypnosis is.(6:38) It's well-established in Iran, for example. (6:41) Yeah. (6:42) So there was the UK, of course.(6:47) There was American hypnotists there. (6:50) Giancarlo's Italian. (6:53) Nicole is Swiss.(6:55) John is Irish. (6:57) Cara's from Scotland. (6:59) Paulina's from Scotland as well.(7:01) And I'm trying to think who else was there. (7:04) There was a lot of Belgium hypnotists. (7:06) Of course.(7:07) Rob was there. (7:08) Rob de Grasse was there as well. (7:12) I'm trying to think who else was there.(7:13) Quite a few British, quite a few English, British people. (7:17) Oh, that's close. (7:19) Yeah, so I mean, people did travel, didn't they? (7:22) A lot of people flew in.(7:24) Oh, there was Astrid as well. (7:26) Astrid's from the Netherlands. (7:29) And the lady from Portugal.(7:31) She was amazing. (7:32) I went to see her speech as well. (7:35) It was all about narcissistic behavior.(7:38) She was absolutely fantastic. (7:40) She runs the Portuguese one as well. (7:43) Oh, yeah.(7:44) I'm going to go to the Portuguese one. (7:47) We'll see. (7:48) We'll see.(7:49) If you're going to be a speaker at one of the European ones, (7:53) do you have to speak in the language of the country? (7:57) No, the majority. (7:58) I would, well, I would say everybody. (8:01) I assume you were not speaking Nederlands when you were in Mantua.(8:04) Well, everybody, everybody was speaking English. (8:08) Everybody presented in English. (8:10) Yeah, that's the embarrassing thing about Europe, isn't it? (8:14) And then you look at me and get, speaking English, a bit of schoolgirl French.(8:18) Yeah, it was, it was just, it was just so, so nice. (8:22) It was, it was quite relaxed as well. (8:24) Even though it was busy, it was quite relaxed, you know, (8:28) and there was plenty of time for talking to people.(8:32) Everybody broke for lunch at the same time. (8:34) It was one central thing where, because lunch was provided, (8:38) we all stayed within, you know, that area of the hotel where we all had lunch. (8:44) And it just seemed to, it just seemed to sit nicely.(8:50) You know, it wasn't, I can only speak for London and Belgium now (8:54) because I haven't done the Irish. (8:55) What were the, what were the topics that you most appreciated? (9:00) Because you've been in the business now for 10 years. (9:03) So, yeah.(9:05) So, as a newbie, everything is amazing, (9:09) but you've probably been to several conferences now. (9:11) What did you feel was most groundbreaking for you? (9:15) Mine, the Havening. (9:16) The Havening definitely, for me, that was just fantastic.(9:20) And it was something that I thought, this is definitely something I want to bring in (9:25) and have as my, you know, as part of my toolbox. (9:29) Jackie's talk about the inner child was really, really interesting, (9:34) about how we can look, you know, even, even though I see the children, (9:39) I always look at the parents as well and see where the parents are coming from. (9:43) And sometimes you can see they need a little bit of inner child work and everything.(9:49) Cara, of course, neurodivergent, which I see neurodivergent children as well. (9:54) So, there were, I don't think there was anything that I didn't take away (9:58) from each and every one that I sat and watched. (10:03) Even Nicole's, you know, even though I don't, I don't want to do surgery, (10:09) I think it's just helped me to sort of think, (10:12) how can I use those sorts of tools in an indirect way? (10:16) It's also, it also helps you to refer people too.(10:20) Yes. (10:20) To let people know it exists. (10:22) Yeah, definitely.(10:24) And also to help the chil

Send us Fan MailDenise Billen-Mejia MD CH www.healandberadiant.com  [email protected] Roberts www.lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk [email protected] Elman www.elmanhypnosis.com      [email protected]:00) Welcome to Two Hypnotherapists Talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia, here in Delaware, USA. (0:06) And me, Les Roberts in St Helens, United Kingdom. (0:10) This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about the fascinating (0:14) world of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.I'm a clinical hypnotherapist (0:21) and specialist in working with children. And I'm a retired medical doctor and consultant (0:28) hypnotist. We are Two Hypnotherapists Talking.So let's get on with the episode. (0:38) Hi, welcome again. And today we're going to talk to Cheryl Ellman, who some of you may (0:44) remember from before when Marta was recording us, but Cheryl has been a hypnotist for some time.(0:51) And this time she's going to talk about another favourite subject that she likes. (0:55) Okay, take it away, Cheryl. (0:59) Hi, everybody.It's such a pleasure to be with the two of you here. (1:07) Lots been going on in the last year or two. But I wanted to say that back in 2011, (1:14) I was at Shelley Stockwell Nicholas's conference in California, and I met a woman named Joan (1:22) Goulding.And Joan, we got to talking and she had been married to her husband. He had passed away (1:30) and they had a school in Victoria, Australia. And they taught hypnosis.Interestingly enough, (1:40) it was illegal to do hypnosis in Victoria. But what they did was they could teach it, (1:47) but you couldn't hypnotize anybody. So the interesting thing of what they did is they (1:51) went through the coursework.It was like, I think, a two-year course. And then they took (1:56) a bus to another province, another state, and went into like a couple of weeks of really like (2:05) hypnotizing each other and going through all the practice stuff and came back and they graduated. (2:14) So she fought for years to get it legalized in Victoria.So she had a daughter. (2:25) Do you happen to know why it wasn't when it was allowed in the rest of Australia? (2:34) Yeah. No, but there are states in the United States that Israel, you have to be a certain (2:45) doctor to take a certain course to do hypnosis.So there's different things in different countries. (2:52) And also the whole country, Israel requires you to be a physician. (2:58) Yeah.Yeah. (2:59) Anyway, let's get back to Australia. So what did she do? (3:04) So Joan had a daughter and she and her husband, her first husband, had moved.They were, (3:15) what do you call them? Poms? They had moved from England. 10 pound pom, I think it was. (3:20) 10 pound pom, yeah.(3:22) Right. And they moved to Australia. And so she had one daughter and she always felt like (3:32) she was a little clumsy.She wasn't really speaking. And then she had another daughter, (3:38) almost like Irish twins. They were pretty close in age.And what she started to notice is Teresa (3:45) was doing all of the, she was following, instead of following her older sister Michelle, (3:52) Michelle was always following and imitating what Teresa was doing. (3:57) So she and her husband had separated. And meanwhile, Joan had gone to speak to psychologists, (4:09) to schools.She had them in different schools. And Michelle, she'd come in and she saw Michelle (4:17) in this corner. And she really didn't have language.And so all this was going on. And (4:24) then one time her ex-husband had come to take the girls for the weekend and never returned them. (4:33) And she was looking for them.And so he had basically kidnapped them. And so it was nine (4:42) months later, he returned Michelle, who was difficult to deal with because there wasn't (4:46) much communication and

Send us Fan MailDenise Billen-Mejia MD CH www.healandberadiant.com [email protected] Roberts ACH www.lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk [email protected] to Two Hypnotherapists Talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia, here in Delaware, USA. (0:06) And me, Les Roberts in St Helens, United Kingdom. (0:10) This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more (0:14) about the fascinating world of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.(0:19) I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and specialist in working with children. (0:24) And I'm a retired medical doctor and consultant hypnotist. (0:30) We are Two Hypnotherapists Talking.(0:33) So let's get on with the episode. (0:38) Wow. (0:39) Hello.(0:39) Hello. (0:41) How quick have we got to this already? (0:45) I know. (0:46) This year has gone so fast.(0:50) It's a third of the way through. (0:52) We're in the middle of April. (0:53) It's ridiculous.(0:53) Anyway, so what are we going to talk about today? (0:58) I don't know. (0:59) What would you like to talk about? (1:00) I'll tell you what I've just done this morning. (1:03) I have just held a class for EFT for tapping.(1:08) I've held a workshop for children about tapping, which is really, really good for them. (1:19) I don't think we've talked about it. (1:20) I don't think I've talked with Martin about that ever.(1:23) Although we've alluded to it probably. (1:26) We were trained in it in hypno school too. (1:28) There's so much stuff that's hypnosis adjacent.(1:33) I trained in it not long after I'd qualified. (1:37) I decided to train in it because I was just gathering everything together. (1:42) And I never used it.(1:43) It was something that I thought, well, I've got. (1:46) I didn't really use it. (1:47) But now I've started using it a lot with children, with adults as well.(1:52) I saw a young gentleman just before I came on here. (1:56) And he's using it to help him just, you know, sort of calm any anxieties down. (2:05) But the kids are really enjoying it.(2:07) And it's also very, it's very easy for people to do. (2:11) And for children, you want something to be very easy for them to do. (2:16) Yeah, so for those listeners who don't know what EFT is, (2:20) it stands for emotional freedom technique.(2:23) And we can use it to help us to tap out, literally tap out any blockages. (2:31) It's also called tapping. (2:33) So if you Google emotional freedom technique or tapping, (2:37) then you will see exactly what it is.(2:40) And the reason why I use it for children is it's very, very good (2:44) for helping them to sort of manage their emotions more effectively, (2:51) rather than just to think about it. (2:53) They're actually using a subjective support really, aren't they? (2:58) And it gives them something to do when they have those feelings come up (3:02) instead of tearing things or breaking things. (3:06) Yeah, so they say that by tapping, (3:09) by just tapping at certain points on your face, on your hand, (3:14) what it does is it opens up those blockages.(3:18) So I've explained it to the children today. (3:22) Not as that, because I don't think children would understand that. (3:25) So I've used it as a little exercise that they can do (3:30) to help them to understand where they are with their emotions.(3:34) Do you want to just like re-present to us, the audience now? (3:41) It'll be easier for people who are seeing the visual instead of my podcast, (3:45) which is only audio. (3:46) But if you could say where our hands are at the time. (3:49) Yeah, so I teach the child, (3:52) I know there's quite a lot of points on your hands and you can use your side.(3:57) So what I do is I condensed it down to eight points for the children. (4:02) So they start off with the karate chop and they're just tapping there (4:06) and then they will tap then on their inner eyebrow (4:11) and then

Send us Fan MailDenise Billen-Mejia MD CH www.healandberadiant.com              [email protected] Roberts ACH www.lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk [email protected] Woo https://www.wendywoo.uk/mymoodstars                                          Linked-in www.linkedin.com/in/motherofmoodstars Welcome to Two Hypnotherapists Talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia, in Delaware, USA. (0:06) And me, Les Roberts, in St Helens, United Kingdom. (0:10) This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who'd like to know more about the fascinating (0:14) world of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and (0:22) specialist in working with children. And I'm a retired medical doctor (0:26) and consultant hypnotist. We are Two Hypnotherapists Talking.(0:33) So let's get on with the episode. Good afternoon, good evening, or good morning, (0:44) wherever you are in the world today. We have a lovely special guest on today with Denise and I, (0:50) Two Hypnotherapists Talking.And we have the delightful Wendy White, who's joined us today. (0:56) Hello, Wendy. (0:57) Hello, I'm Les.(0:59) Hello. (0:59) Hi, Denise. (1:00) Hi.And you're freshly back from vacation, so you're all ready for this, right? (1:06) It was hot and sunny, so I was very lucky because back in the UK, you had the most awful weather, (1:14) so I was delighted. And actually, now I'm back, the weather hasn't been too bad. I just don't (1:20) think they know I'm back yet, because usually I am known as the rain woman.(1:25) Well, it's raining up here in St. Helens, and we've had very, very high winds the last, (1:32) say, two to three days. (1:33) And we, having had a 75 degree temperature in last week, are now expecting some snow. (1:41) Isn't that lovely? (1:42) More snow.More snow. (1:45) Yeah. Get three English people together and they talk about the weather.(1:48) Okay, Wendy. I haven't met you before today. Hello.Could you briefly explain to our audience (1:56) what you actually do? You're not a hypnotist, right? (2:00) It's so lovely to meet you too, Denise. Yes, now I am a retired childminder from (2:07) Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire in the UK. And I was a childminder for 22 years.(2:17) And in that time, we were governed by Ofsted, and we had to follow the Early Years Foundation stage. (2:28) So this is pretty new to us, because I registered as a childminder in 2000. (2:35) And then in 2014, I think it was, the Early Years Foundation stage came in, (2:42) and we childminders became, well, teachers that had to implement areas of learning.(2:51) Not just implement them, but evidence them as well for when Ofsted came to call. (2:56) What was the age that you were dealing with? (3:00) I looked after children from one year to nine, but the nine-year-olds tended to be after-school kids. (3:10) Well, the nine-year-olds, I'm okay with you deciding how much they should have learned in (3:14) X amount of time, but a one-year-old? Yes, a one-year-old.(3:20) Can I stand up by myself is the question. It doesn't matter how old they are, (3:25) you still have to evidence and implement their learning and their growth and their development. (3:34) Everything had to be observed and then noted, and I had a file for each of the children (3:42) with their steps, their progress, first words.Nowadays, it's all computerized, (3:50) and in the States, I think they call it Huckleberry. (3:53) Wouldn't surprise me. My kids are way older than that.(3:57) I can't remember now what the software application is, but generally now, (4:05) childminders use software applications to relay and recount everything that they've (4:11) learned from the children, all their observations. But in the old days, (4:16) everything had to be written down. It t

Send us Fan MailDenise Billen-Mejia MD CH www.healandberadiant.com [email protected] Roberts ACH www.lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk [email protected](0:00) Welcome to Two Hypnotherapists Talking with me, Denise Villamihia, in Delaware, USA. (0:06) And me, Les Roberts, in St Helens, United Kingdom. (0:10) This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who'd like to know more about the fascinating (0:14) world of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and (0:22) specialist in working with children. And I'm a retired medical doctor (0:26) and consultant hypnotist. We are Two Hypnotherapists Talking.(0:33) So let's get on with the episode. (0:36) Hi, I can't believe we're on episode nine already of this season. (0:43) It's, it's really... (0:43) Yeah, the season's been very, and the weather here has been so strange.(0:47) It's summer, practically, outside. (0:48) I was going to say it looked bright. (0:49) In the 70s, right? (0:50) Yeah.(0:51) And it's not raining. Yesterday was warm, but it rained. (0:54) So is all the snow gone now? (0:55) The official number, the official number is 69.(1:02) Except for the parts that got piled up because people just plowed and left. (1:08) Yeah. (1:09) No, like the salt, they look all right.But yes, it is, we've got a week before the New (1:14) Year, pretty much, a week and a bit. I say New Year, as I explained before, my religion, (1:20) our New Year is the first day of spring. (1:24) So explain that to... (1:27) My husband is feeling happier.(1:29) Explain why this is your New Year. (1:31) We're Baha'is. (1:32) Okay.(1:33) So every religion has its own calendar and our calendar says that first day of spring (1:38) is New Year. And it's preceded by a month of fasting for those under 70. (1:46) And so my husband, he has passed that number.He doesn't want to let go of the fast. (1:51) And he's still fasting. But the days are definitely getting much nicer.(1:56) It's very nice here today, very mild today. However, according to the weather, we have (2:03) got torrents of rain coming across. So that's what it's like, but I will... (2:08) Keep it there.We don't want it further. (2:11) No, it's actually coming. Yeah, it's actually coming from you, from your way.So I don't (2:15) know whether it's... (2:16) Oh, sorry about that. That was what we had last week then. (2:18) Probably, yes, exactly.My husband always, he always jokes about, because I'm originally (2:25) from Manchester and he always says that people from Manchester have webbed feet because it (2:30) constantly rains in Manchester. (2:32) Doesn't it rain all the time? (2:34) It doesn't, but yeah, the weather here has just been atrocious. Our garden is, it's clay.(2:42) It's, you know, the soil's very clay. So you can imagine it, it just absorbs all of the... (2:49) Heavy. (2:50) Yeah, all of the rain.(2:51) And backbreaking when you need to get out of the field. (2:54) It's just wet all the time. So that's delayed having my cabin built as well.So... (3:01) Oh, that's right. I forgot you were about to move in. (3:04) I know.But it's all right. It's all good. It's all good.(3:07) Yes, we are quite well established now and you've got, this is the, (3:12) you think this is going to be the ninth episode? It's difficult when you record ahead of time (3:16) to figure out where things are, but yes, that's good. So we're nearly done with (3:20) season eight and we'll be prepping for season nine. (3:23) We are, yeah.(3:24) Already had a guest agreed. (3:27) Yeah, it's exciting, isn't it? And I've learned so much. That is going to help my practice as (3:33) well because I never, I've run a podcast with Tony, one of our guests.We do a podcast, (3:41) but what we do is we send it out exactly as it is. We don't edit it at all. So that when I joined you (3:50) and you said that you and Martin edited it and took out al

Send us Fan Mail(Denise Billen-Mejia MD CH www.healandberadiant.com [email protected] Roberts ACH www.lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk [email protected] Tony Gordon www.changingyourmindltd.com [email protected]:00) Welcome to Two Hypnotherapists Talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia, in Delaware, USA. (0:06) And me, Les Roberts, in St Helens, United Kingdom. (0:10) This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who'd like to know more about (0:14) the fascinating world of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.(0:19) I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and specialist in working with children. (0:24) And I'm a retired medical doctor and consultant hypnotist. (0:30) We are Two Hypnotherapists Talking.(0:33) So let's get on with the episode. (0:37) So, hi everybody, wherever you are. (0:40) We've got a very special guest today and his name is Tony Gordon.(0:44) He's a friend of mine as well. (0:46) I've done a lot of work with Tony over the years (0:48) and he's an empowerment leadership coach. (0:53) Welcome, Tony.(0:55) Thank you, Les. (0:55) And thank you, Denise, for having me on. (0:57) You're welcome.(0:59) So actually, it's a great opportunity to hear (1:02) somebody else's take on the work we do. (1:05) So that's really good. (1:06) How long have you been in that field? (1:09) I suppose five years.(1:11) Two thousand and twenty one. (1:14) I was made redundant from a bank I worked in, part of the HSBC group, (1:18) where I was a mental health first aider. (1:20) And I used to get frustrated in the bank that I knew I could tell people more, (1:24) but I wasn't allowed because being the first aider, (1:26) I had to then pass them on to counsellors.(1:30) And a lot of the people used to tell me that it was great doing that, (1:33) but it wasn't suitable for them. (1:35) It wasn't right for them. (1:36) So I used the redundancy to retrain rather just... (1:39) I've been a coach for over 20 years in the bank.(1:42) And what I decided to do was to train in hypnotherapy (1:45) because I'd been using self-hypnosis to help me through an illness (1:48) and realised that hypnotherapy and NLP, (1:52) which I found out through the same people, (1:54) hand-in-hand was probably the most powerful medium (1:57) that I found to help those people. (1:59) The coaching had done great things with them, (2:02) but not to the extent I could do with this. (2:05) Yeah, just a sort of asterisk there by that comment.(2:10) One of the things that we're concerned about is this overselling. (2:14) I absolutely think that, for a start, (2:16) every single person on the planet has been hypnotised in some way at some time, (2:21) not necessarily by a hypnotist, (2:23) but that this is a natural thing that happens (2:27) and we can all use it and get value from it. (2:31) And how do people find you these days? (2:35) Do you go out and speak or do you just romance? (2:39) I do a bit of everything.(2:42) Networking. (2:43) I was an ambassador for a network group for the last two years as well, (2:45) so I led the networks. (2:47) I do a lot of talks on different subjects as well (2:50) for people in the corporate world (2:52) as well as in private.(2:56) And also, a lot of my work has always came from referrals (3:00) from previous clients or companies that I've done work with (3:04) whose staff may suddenly have issues. (3:06) So although I've done the team building and leadership training, (3:09) they realise when the staff have certain issues there (3:11) that they can come to me (3:12) and I can do one-on-one with them as well. (3:14) Are these people who come to you for business issues (3:17) and you realise there are some underlying issues (3:20) that you can help them with? (3:21) Yeah.(3:22) A lot of the people who come when you do a lot of corporate things (3:25) don't always want to be in that room. (3:27) And yo

Send us Fan MailDenise BIllen-Mejia MD CH www.healandberadiant.com [email protected] Roberts ACH       www.lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk  [email protected] Hypnotherapists Talking: Denise & Les Discuss Business and Referrals(0:00) Welcome to Two Hypnotherapists Talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia here in Delaware, USA. (0:06) And me, Les Roberts in St Helens, United Kingdom.Speaker 2(0:10) This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who'd like to know more about the fascinating world of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.Speaker 1(0:19) I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and specialist in working with children. (0:25) And I'm a retired medical doctor and consultant hypnotist. (0:29) We are Two Hypnotherapists Talking.(0:33) So let's get on with the episode.Speaker 2(0:36) Come to you with what they would often say is a minor problem, but it's really impacting them. (0:43) What kinds of things?Speaker 1(0:45) Not so much now, but I used to get a lot of adults diagnosing themselves with anxiety disorder. (0:56) Coming in saying, my anxiety won't let me do this. (1:01) My anxiety does this to me.(1:04) I can't sleep because of my anxiety. (1:07) I can't go out because of my anxiety. (1:10) Did they know what was causing the anxiety?Speaker 2(1:13) Where it came from?Speaker 1(1:14) Yeah, sometimes. (1:17) However, yes. (1:18) So what I used to do is I used to ask them, first of all, I was quite to say, your anxiety, who's given it to you?(1:26) Who's given it to you? (1:28) Have you been diagnosed with anxiety? (1:30) And they'll go, no, I haven't.(1:33) Yeah. (1:33) So they haven't been diagnosed. (1:35) They've not had a formal diagnosis.(1:38) However, what they have done is diagnosed themselves, use that label and obviously been living up to that label as well. (1:47) Anxiety.Speaker 2(1:48) So once they, when they ask you, do you then say, would you like to try some hypnosis? (1:52) Would you like to try some chat with me and see if it works or do they come in seeking hypnosis because they're self-diagnosed?Speaker 1(1:59) So I explained to them that I am not qualified to diagnose anything. (2:05) All I can do is refer you back to your doctor. (2:09) Should you want a diagnosis of anxiety?(2:13) I do have a little anxiety questionnaire that I use with the adults, not with the children that can sort of.Speaker 2(2:22) Would you mind sending it to me?Speaker 1(2:24) No, I will send it to you. (2:26) Yeah. (2:26) A lot of adults will come in with self-diagnosed issues.(2:32) I have a phobia of this. (2:33) I have a phobia of that. (2:36) So again, I say to them, describe your phobia.(2:40) Why is it a phobia and not a fear? (2:43) And straight away, quite a few of them will go, Oh, I don't, I don't know. (2:47) I don't know the difference.Speaker 2(2:48) I think most people not having taught what they are, would say phobia is just worse fear. (2:55) It's a clinical word, so it must be a serious thing.Speaker 1(2:59) Yeah. (2:59) But we, we know, correct me if I'm wrong, Denise, that a phobia is something that's already happened to you. (3:05) You've had a past experience.(3:07) Say for instance, it was wasps or something. (3:10) You've had a past experience that's not been very good and it's.Speaker 2(3:15) Yeah. (3:16) Although very often, well, I would not, I would not define it that way. (3:24) Phobia is something that's, that's possible.(3:27) Fear is something that's possible. (3:28) Phobia tends to be unrealistic. (3:31) Like I personally have a phobia about sharks.(3:36) But you've never met. (3:37) Because I, I've met a dead one and I've seen lots of the aquarium. (3:4

Send us Fan MailDenise Billen-Mejia MD CH www.healandberadiant.com [email protected] Roberts ACH  www.lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk [email protected] Lewis www.essex-hypnosis.co..uk [email protected](0:00) Welcome to Two Hypnotherapists Talking with me, Denise  Billen-Mejia in Delaware, USA. (0:06) And me, Les Roberts in St Helens, United Kingdom.Speaker 3(0:10) This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who'd like to know more about the fascinating world of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.Speaker 1(0:19) I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and specialist in working with children.Speaker 3(0:25) And I'm a retired medical doctor and consultant hypnotist.Speaker 1(0:29) We are Two Hypnotherapists Talking. (0:33) So let's get on with the episode. (0:36) Hello everybody from wherever you are in this world.(0:39) This is Two Hypnotherapists Talking, myself and Denise. (0:43) And we have a special guest on today, which is Nova. (0:47) And Nova runs Essex Hypnosis down south in England.(0:54) Welcome Nova. (0:55) Hello.Speaker 3(0:56) Or as we would say, over the pond.Speaker 1(1:01) Yeah, but I'm a bit over from south. (1:03) I just wanted to say down south, you see.Speaker 3(1:09) That's reasonable. (1:11) Okay, so Nova, what did you first concentrate on in hypnosis when you started walking?Speaker 2(1:22) So my first thing that I started with was quit smoking. (1:28) Wow. (1:29) Yeah.Speaker 3(1:30) Did you find it easy to market that? (1:33) I get a lot of people ask me if I do it, but when I say yes, they don't call for appointments.Speaker 2(1:40) Yeah, I did in the beginning. (1:42) Yeah, I did market it because it was one of the only things I was doing. (1:47) So yeah, I had to push for quit smoking clients.(1:54) Yeah.Speaker 3(1:56) How long is the program that you use to get something from smoking heavily to not smoking at all? (2:09) It is one session. (2:10) Three sessions.(2:11) One session.Speaker 2(2:12) One session. (2:13) Yeah. (2:14) Is it a longer session?Speaker 1(2:16) How long is the session?Speaker 2(2:17) Yeah, yeah. (2:18) So it can the session can go anything up to two hours. (2:22) Right.(2:23) Okay. (2:23) And a bit more sometimes just rings out the hypnotist usually.Speaker 3(2:31) Yeah.Speaker 1(2:32) Yeah. (2:33) Just through just talking about this, weren't we before we started recording and we were talking about how long we've all been, you know, practicing and what you know, what our easiest thing was. (2:46) And you said, Nova, your easiest thing was spoken.(2:50) And Denise and I both went, well, the easiest thing, because it's not there, is it really?Speaker 3(2:57) Well, people have so many reasons for asking about non-smoking programs without really engaging them. (3:03) They are not the ones asking. (3:05) It's because they want to change because of their girlfriend or because of their kids or whatever.Speaker 2(3:09) It's got to come from them. (3:11) Exactly. (3:12) And I find that I always with all my clients, if they're coming in for quit smoking, I will always say to them, are you doing this for you?(3:23) Is this about you wanting to do it? (3:26) Because I've had people contact me before that have said, oh, no, I'm doing it for ex family member or they want me to stop because I've got this wrong with me. (3:37) But then you're not doing it for you.Speaker 3(3:38) You never have anybody say, my doctor wants me to quit.Speaker 2(3:45) No, it's never about the doctor.Speaker 1(3:48) No, no. (3:49) It is so easy to ask those questions, isn't it? (3:53) You know, who are you giving up smo

Send us Fan MailDenise Billen-Mejia MD CH www.healandberadiant.com [email protected] Roberts ACH www.lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk [email protected](0:00) Welcome to Two Hypnotherapists Talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia, in Delaware, USA. (0:06) And me, Les Roberts, in St Helens, United Kingdom. (0:10) This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who'd like to know more about the fascinating world of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.(0:19) I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and specialist in working with children. (0:25) And I'm a retired medical doctor and consultant to hypnosis. (0:30) We are Two Hypnotherapists Talking.(0:33) So let's get on with the episode. (0:36) So hi, it's just us again today, isn't it? (0:40) That was exciting.(0:43) We've had some really good guests on so far, haven't we? (0:47) So I thought, Denise, what about if we talked about our clients and explain to whoever is listening why we, of the craft that we deliver, hypnosis or hypnotherapy, is that much shorter rather than weeks or even months? (1:07) I think that, I mean, that's the big selling point.(1:10) Yeah, yeah. (1:11) The fact that hypnosis can get there really quickly compared to other forms of therapy. (1:17) And for most people, once that particular thing is fixed, it isn't like this wears off after a year.(1:25) No, you can be sure that you're OK. (1:28) And all of us, I don't know any hypnotist who wouldn't say, oh, just give me a call if it comes back. (1:34) You know, it's not, you know, we would re-address the issue.(1:38) Because we're dealing with the opposite side of the brain, aren't we, to traditional therapies like CBT and counselling? (1:46) Although I think it's more of an internal side of the brain. (1:49) Yeah, but one size doesn't fit all.(1:52) It doesn't mean to say that we're the better. (1:55) It just means that, you know, we can offer a different way, can't we? (2:00) Rather than just keep going week after week after week or month after month.(2:04) The really major difference, I think, is that with hypnosis, you don't have to keep going over whatever the original insult was. (2:14) It's something, we need to have some idea of what it was. (2:18) Otherwise, we can't craft or talk to you.(2:21) But you don't have to keep revisiting whatever the traumatic event was. (2:26) That's true. (2:27) And I find a lot of it, you can do it content-free, can't you?(2:32) You don't have to. (2:33) Like you said, you don't have to talk about it. (2:35) Because if you talk about it, you have to reprocess that.(2:39) And you're adding all different kinds of emotions and feelings each time. (2:43) Whereas if you deal with the emotions and feelings that are attached to whatever issue you've come to see us for, it just seems to fall into place, doesn't it? (2:55) But it's not an instant thing, even though it's a lot quicker.(2:58) It's not an instant thing, is it? (3:00) No, and obviously, it's also not. (3:02) It looks like the therapist is doing all the work.(3:06) The hypnotist is just, you know, zooming. (3:09) But the client has to, A, really be engaged. (3:13) Really wants the change.(3:15) So it's a lot more client-driven than they believe. (3:20) It is. (3:21) And also, the client needs to want that change.(3:25) But want that change for themselves, really, and not for anybody else. (3:29) Because we did touch a little bit with one of our guests, didn't we? (3:33) About making changes as in smoking or weight loss.(3:37) And you don't do it for anybody else. (3:40) You may have somebody in mind that, you know, you want to stay, you know, longer and be fitter to spend time with them. (3:48) But at the end of the day, it's got to be done.(3:51) Because really, you want to make this change. (3:53) Yeah, that's really the most important thing. (3:55) What's one of your most memorable clients?(3:58) The one that always is

Send us Fan MailDenise BIllen-Mejia MD CH  http://www.healandberadiant.com                                                                                       [email protected] Roberts  ACH                 http://www.lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk                                                                       [email protected] Oatley-Hall              http://www.deniseoatleyhall.com                                                                                              [email protected]:10) Hi, hello. So how are you doing? (0:13) Alright, okay. So this week over in the UK, it is Children's Mental Health Week.(0:20) So I've been busy, busy, busy putting a lot of information out on social media (0:27) about what Children's Mental Health Week means over here (0:33) and also other things, you know, to help parents. (0:38) So there's always a theme behind the Mental Health Week (0:42) and this year it is, this is my place. (0:47) That's the theme.(0:50) So who are they aiming that title at? (0:55) Children. So this is nice. (0:57) Okay, but children in foster care, children in class? (1:01) I think it's everywhere.(1:03) It's to help children and also to raise awareness (1:08) that children need to feel safe no matter where they are. (1:13) Do you still have a lot of immigrant children? (1:16) I mean, obviously people have been immigrated to Britain as long as they've been there, (1:19) but there were so many refugees coming across. (1:24) Is that still a large number? (1:26) I don't know about whether there's a large number still coming in, (1:31) but we have a large number.(1:32) We've got quite a large refugee community here where I live (1:38) and I had the pleasure of working with some refugees and their families. (1:45) A couple of summers ago I went over to a place called Birkenhead, (1:51) which is over the River Mersey. (1:53) You'll be familiar with that.(1:54) I've heard of, yes. (1:57) And I had the pleasure of working one summer with refugees and their families, (2:04) predominantly with the children, but their parents, some of the parents were involved. (2:09) What were you working with? (2:11) Just helping them to understand emotions.(2:14) We did a lot of crafting, which the mums joined in, (2:18) and just to help because these are children. (2:21) A loss of place in their home lands. (2:24) Yeah.(2:25) Some of them must have had really pretty nerve-wracking. (2:27) Yes. (2:28) So these are children from well-born areas who have literally come over on the boats, (2:36) and it's quite strange.(2:38) They're absolutely gorgeous

Send us Fan MailDenise Billen-Mejia www.healandberadiant.com   [email protected] Roberts AHC www.lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk [email protected]:10) Hi, hello. So how are you doing? (0:13) Alright, okay. So this week over in the UK, it is Children's Mental Health Week.(0:20) So I've been busy, busy, busy putting a lot of information out on social media (0:27) about what Children's Mental Health Week means over here (0:33) and also other things, you know, to help parents. (0:38) So there's always a theme behind the Mental Health Week (0:42) and this year it is, this is my place. (0:47) That's the theme.(0:50) So who are they aiming that title at? (0:55) Children. So this is nice. (0:57) Okay, but children in foster care, children in class? (1:01) I think it's everywhere.(1:03) It's to help children and also to raise awareness (1:08) that children need to feel safe no matter where they are. (1:13) Do you still have a lot of immigrant children? (1:16) I mean, obviously people have been immigrated to Britain as long as they've been there, (1:19) but there were so many refugees coming across. (1:24) Is that still a large number? (1:26) I don't know about whether there's a large number still coming in, (1:31) but we have a large number.(1:32) We've got quite a large refugee community here where I live (1:38) and I had the pleasure of working with some refugees and their families. (1:45) A couple of summers ago I went over to a place called Birkenhead, (1:51) which is over the River Mersey. (1:53) You'll be familiar with that.(1:54) I've heard of, yes. (1:57) And I had the pleasure of working one summer with refugees and their families, (2:04) predominantly with the children, but their parents, some of the parents were involved. (2:09) What were you working with? (2:11) Just helping them to understand emotions.(2:14) We did a lot of crafting, which the mums joined in, (2:18) and just to help because these are children. (2:21) A loss of place in their home lands. (2:24) Yeah.(2:25) Some of them must have had really pretty nerve-wracking. (2:27) Yes. (2:28) So these are children from well-born areas who have literally come over on the boats, (2:36) and it's quite strange.(2:38) They're absolutely gorgeous children, absolutely fantastic children, well-behaved. (2:43) Took an interest in everything that we're doing, really got stuck in. (2:47) But it was so funny because they've got, like, a foreign accent, (2:53) but mixed up with a Liverpudlian accent as well, so I found it quite amusing, actually.(2:59) But it was nice to work with them. (3:02) It was nice to... (3:04) How long had those children been there? (3:06) Because children pick up language so fast. (3:08) Not very long.(3:10) Some of them were in school already, (3:12) so hence, you know, their accents that they were picking up. (3:17) But not very long because they were still in hotels (3:22) because what this charity did, which is called Heart for Refugees, (3:28) and what this charity did was they raised money to help them, (3:33) and they had a community centre, like a church hall, (3:36) and the families used to come and cook because they couldn't cook in the hotels. (3:44) So they'd get food vouchers or they'd get money for food or however it worked.(3:48) Right, but that must have been really good because for a lot of people, (3:51) that's part of taking care of your kids, right? (3:54) Cooking for them, feeding them. (3:56) But it was nice, you know. (3:58) Do you know what was really nice, Denise, is to see different countries, (4:02) different cultures, different beliefs and everything all coming together (4:07) just to help each other.(4:09) It was lovely. (4:09) Yeah. (4:10) It was really lovely.(4:11) And of course, I got to taste some of the food, you know, as well. (4:14) That's also nice, isn't it? (4:17) Yeah. (4:18) But we have, here in St Helens where I live, we have

Send us Fan MailLes Roberts                         [email protected]                                         www.lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk/Denise Billen-Mejia        [email protected]                                                 www.healandberadiant.comTuran Mizra                     [email protected]                                        www.feel-good.todayWelcome to two hypnotherapists talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia, in Delaware, USA. And me, Les Roberts, in St. Helens, United Kingdom. This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about the fascinating world of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.Les,I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and specialist in working with children. DeniDenise, And I'm a retired medical doctor and consultant hypnotist. We are two hypnotherapists talking.So let's get on with the episode. I'm lucky if some people can remember my first name. And I've seen what you're doing.That's it. That's it. It's Turkish, so not everybody can pronounce it.And those that can't pronounce it can't remember it. You're indelible in my memory. So how about we ask, what do you like to talk about? What do you think people don't know enough about in the world of hypnosis? In the world of hypnosis? Well, obviously, probably street hypnosis is the thing I'm well known for and I like to talk about.Do you use that as an entertainment for people? Do people pay you to do it? Or do you use it just to gain awareness in the area? I'd say all of the above. You're happy people pay you? I say no, no, no, no. The thing is, that's how I got started in this crazy business called hypnosis.I always say the phrase, I have no intentions of helping people. Isn't that a terrible thing to say in a therapeutic professional way? Like most people, maybe even people listening in tonight or today, this afternoon, whatever. I used to watch it on TV and say, oh, they're just playing along.This is not real stuff. I have four kids and way back 10, 15 years ago, 16 really, 16 years ago, they were younger and I used to do what I call silly dad magic. I would produce a coin from behind their ear, that sort of stuff.Nothing I'd probably do to an adult or in front of an adult. It was just to sort of play with the kids. And when I saw something on TV, it was actually Darren Brown.You know, and he when he's talking about his, he says showmanship, misdirection, psychology and magic. He doesn't even mention hypnosis in that list of I think there's one more item he mentions, but none of them are hypnosis. So I thought, oh, that's magic trick and I do a little bit of magic for the kids.I'll do that for the kids. And when I looked into it, I realized it was hypnosis and not magic. So I got interested in hypnosis that way.Just for one second. Had you been introduced to hypnosis before that? Just like most people watching TV and Scooby Doo, you know, people getting hypnotized. My first experience was olive oil being hypnotized through a window and floating down to the sea.And that was like when I was four. That's a long time ago. 20 years ago.It's a long time. But yeah, so I went on a training course just to learn inductions. And I thought, right, I need to practice this.And I always say this phrase, you know, if you're lea

Send us Fan MailDenise Billen-Mejia MD CH  www.healandberadiant.com                                                   [email protected] Roberts ACH                   https://www.lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk/further-information                                                           [email protected] to Season 8 of Two Hypnotherapists Talking.  As many of you know Martin passed away in late Ocrober 2025 and he really wanted THT to continue. Les Roberts has been a hypnotherapist for several year sand she has worked with children for many more and I was thrilled when she volunteered to join me in continuing our work of demystifying theraputic hypnosis.In this first episode we just wanted to reintroduce the program and encourage you to send in your comments and questionsThanksDenise